Re: Re: Vitamin K and Coumadin

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,

We're saying exactly the same thing, just different words. The

question asked was which had more vitamin K...fresh or frozen veggies. The

answer is, and always will be fresh has more Vitamin K. I'm not trying to be

difficult but since I was answering the question asked and I'm not arguing

the merits of fresh/frozen with coumadin I'm not quite sure where your

disagreement with me is.

I try VERY hard NOT to take my a-fib so seriously. It's something I've

learned to live with...I've had it since I was 20...that's 27 years (now you

know how old I am.) I've raised two children with it, taught school, now run

my own business and do my best to live a normal life to the fullest. When I

have an episode I do lie down for a little while, otherwise I keep on going.

I'm on no medication...I practice homeopathy only, omit caffeine from my diet

completely (I still miss chocolate once in a while), reduce stress and try to

watch my weight...mostly go UP!!! My episodes have gone from an almost

weekly occurance to once in a great while. I don't even keep track anymore.

I decided a few years ago I was no longer going to allow it to run my life.

I look at my Afib as a little reminder every once in a while to slow down,

smell the roses, and not take life quite so seriously. I used to spend

thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours a year going to the cardiologist,

having tests, taking medication...and nothing made any difference. Then I

decided to take charge of my own life and stop forking over my hard earned

dollars. I saw a homeopath (he's a joy) and changed my lifestyle. Since

then I have far fewer episodes, and don't have panic attacks anymore when I

do have one. I simply try to keep a healthy outlook on life and know that

there's a higher power in charge of my life.

Keep a sunny smile

Judy

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Date: 12/28/2002 11:10:09 PM Eastern Standard Time

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In a message dated 12/28/2002 2:07:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,

booklvr42@... writes:

<< I was simply answering the question asked about vitamin

K...in which my answer still stands..Raw, fresh veggies are the best >>

Hi, Judy,

I don't want to belabor this point, especially since explained so well

that truly fresh vegetables will have higher vitamin K content. :-)

However, I do want to make it quite clear that fresh vegetables with higher

vitamin K content are not necessarily " best " for an afibber like me who is

taking Coumadin. If we could obliterate the vitamin K in fresh vegetables

and keep all the other vitamins and minerals, really fresh vegetables would

be best for everyone, including afibbers on Coumadin. Because vitamin K

promotes clotting of the blood, an intake of vitamin K will necessitate

taking more Coumadin to counteract the effects of the K so that adequate

thinning of the blood will occur. I haven't heard or read of anyone who

wants to take more Coumadin! In fact, I stopped eating vegetables completely

for a few months, partially to see if I would be able to lower my Coumadin

dose but also because I was trying to eliminate foods which caused vasovagal

stimulation that could trigger afib. I was able to lower my Coumadin dose to

2.5 m.g. daily. That has remained constant even after I reintroduced

vegetables carefully selected for their lower vitamin K content and low

vasovagal stimulation potential. I'm quite sure that if I suddenly started

eating large amounts of fresh spinach, for example, that my Coumadin

requirement would increase. Of course, I'm not going to try it to find out.

For you, a person who doesn't take Coumadin, fresh vegetables that haven't

been in the supermarket for a week are probably best as a source of maximum

vitamins and minerals. For an afibber like me on Coumadin, those fresh

vegetables may not be best, depending on individual type. I think we

basically agree, but because I have actually corresponded with afibbers who

were confused and thought that vitamin K helped to thin the blood, I wanted

to make it very clear for the benefit of less experienced afibbers that

vitamin K counteracts the blood thinning effects of Coumadin.

in sinus in Seattle (15 minutes of afib in 220 days of sinus)

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