Guest guest Posted October 18, 1999 Report Share Posted October 18, 1999 thank you! i agree with you. I too like and value my solitude. There is nothing wrong with spending time alone with myself. The counselors at treatment tried to warn me about the tendency to " isolate " . WHAT? like making up a stigmatic name for a benign behavior makes it intrinically unhealthy. This is part of the indoctrination process. It is not wise to allow cult members to be alone or to mingle with outsiders, lest they begin to think for themselves or become " corrupted " by outside influences. This is why members of heavens gate, jehova's witnesses and other cults travel in pairs. As long as i'm happy engaging in solitary activities why bother telling me it is sick? Unless you are in the process of brainwashing me to believe that i'm sick and need the company of others in the " program " in order to get " well " and to stay " well " . jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 1999 Report Share Posted October 18, 1999 thank you! i agree with you. I too like and value my solitude. There is nothing wrong with spending time alone with myself. The counselors at treatment tried to warn me about the tendency to " isolate " . WHAT? like making up a stigmatic name for a benign behavior makes it intrinically unhealthy. This is part of the indoctrination process. It is not wise to allow cult members to be alone or to mingle with outsiders, lest they begin to think for themselves or become " corrupted " by outside influences. This is why members of heavens gate, jehova's witnesses and other cults travel in pairs. As long as i'm happy engaging in solitary activities why bother telling me it is sick? Unless you are in the process of brainwashing me to believe that i'm sick and need the company of others in the " program " in order to get " well " and to stay " well " . jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 1999 Report Share Posted October 18, 1999 anachro-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8697 > I don't know if anyone here will be able to relate to this, but I'll > give it a shot. Thanks, -- Do I relate? You bet! You've just summed up my life... Cheers, . I've been sober a while, and when I first went the > AA route, they managed to convince me that isolation was a 'bad thing'. > But all my attempts at socializing with others usually got weird or > felt unnatural to me, and once I left AA I must admit to feeling a bit > lonely. I struggled for the longest time with " what's wrong with me?, > why can't I ever fit in " type of self-punishment scenarios. > It took several more tries for me to discover that I was NOT the > outgoing, > social butterfly that I thought I was when I was drinking. I came to > terms > with the fact that it was all an act and that I am, by nature, an > introvert and not a big fan of public acceptance. I learned that I am > depressed and that quite possibly I was medicating that with booze. > Time has passed, and I can honestly say that I much prefer being on my > own or in the company of select people. I like my own compny, and I > think I've learned the difference between loneliness & being alone. > I pretty much do what I want to do; truth be told, I can take the > company of friends for only short periods of time before I begin to > find them annoying. > I'm no longer wasting a lot of energy asking WHY to questions or > situations that used to bother me. > Back in 1991 I came upon a book that really put this whole recovery > treadmill nonsense into its'proper prospective. It's called: > STOP IMPROVING YOURSELF AND START LIVING, by a . > Compound that with Mom's old saying, " How can you expect it to heal > if you keep picking at it, dummy? " , and I was on the road to leaving > myself the fuck alone. > All I really have to do is not drink... > ~~~/San Francisco > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 1999 Report Share Posted October 18, 1999 anachro-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8697 > I don't know if anyone here will be able to relate to this, but I'll > give it a shot. Thanks, -- Do I relate? You bet! You've just summed up my life... Cheers, . I've been sober a while, and when I first went the > AA route, they managed to convince me that isolation was a 'bad thing'. > But all my attempts at socializing with others usually got weird or > felt unnatural to me, and once I left AA I must admit to feeling a bit > lonely. I struggled for the longest time with " what's wrong with me?, > why can't I ever fit in " type of self-punishment scenarios. > It took several more tries for me to discover that I was NOT the > outgoing, > social butterfly that I thought I was when I was drinking. I came to > terms > with the fact that it was all an act and that I am, by nature, an > introvert and not a big fan of public acceptance. I learned that I am > depressed and that quite possibly I was medicating that with booze. > Time has passed, and I can honestly say that I much prefer being on my > own or in the company of select people. I like my own compny, and I > think I've learned the difference between loneliness & being alone. > I pretty much do what I want to do; truth be told, I can take the > company of friends for only short periods of time before I begin to > find them annoying. > I'm no longer wasting a lot of energy asking WHY to questions or > situations that used to bother me. > Back in 1991 I came upon a book that really put this whole recovery > treadmill nonsense into its'proper prospective. It's called: > STOP IMPROVING YOURSELF AND START LIVING, by a . > Compound that with Mom's old saying, " How can you expect it to heal > if you keep picking at it, dummy? " , and I was on the road to leaving > myself the fuck alone. > All I really have to do is not drink... > ~~~/San Francisco > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 1999 Report Share Posted October 19, 1999 Makes a lot of sense. How much more " recovered " and improved are we supposed to get? Who is the archetype of recovery anyway. Certainly Bill W. and Clancy aren't the pictures of what health is. Apple > Back in 1991 I came upon a book that really put this whole recovery > treadmill nonsense into its'proper prospective. It's called: > STOP IMPROVING YOURSELF AND START LIVING, by a . > Compound that with Mom's old saying, " How can you expect it to heal > if you keep picking at it, dummy? " , and I was on the road to leaving > myself the fuck alone. > All I really have to do is not drink... > ~~~/San Francisco > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 1999 Report Share Posted October 19, 1999 Makes a lot of sense. How much more " recovered " and improved are we supposed to get? Who is the archetype of recovery anyway. Certainly Bill W. and Clancy aren't the pictures of what health is. Apple > Back in 1991 I came upon a book that really put this whole recovery > treadmill nonsense into its'proper prospective. It's called: > STOP IMPROVING YOURSELF AND START LIVING, by a . > Compound that with Mom's old saying, " How can you expect it to heal > if you keep picking at it, dummy? " , and I was on the road to leaving > myself the fuck alone. > All I really have to do is not drink... > ~~~/San Francisco > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 1999 Report Share Posted October 19, 1999 Jerry, it is absolutely part of the indoctrination. I like being alone, I never thought I would. Seems that if I hate myself, I want to leech life energy off of someone else. If I love myself, I want to keep my life energy and not share (or only with select people). Apple jero19991-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8703 > thank you! i agree with you. I too like and value my solitude. There is > nothing wrong with spending time alone with myself. The counselors at > treatment tried to warn me about the tendency to " isolate " . WHAT? like > making up a stigmatic name for a benign behavior makes it intrinically > unhealthy. This is part of the indoctrination process. It is not wise to > allow cult members to be alone or to mingle with outsiders, lest they begin > to think for themselves or become " corrupted " by outside influences. This is > why members of heavens gate, jehova's witnesses and other cults travel in > pairs. As long as i'm happy engaging in solitary activities why bother > telling me it is sick? Unless you are in the process of brainwashing me to > believe that i'm sick and need the company of others in the " program " in > order to get " well " and to stay " well " . > jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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