Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Joe, Please don't undo all your good work in Phase 1! I would be treating myself for wearing blue if I weren't careful! LOL What kind of shells do you mean? Taco shells are off limits because they are made of corn. Whole wheat tortilla wraps are made by several companies and should be in your local store. Started Phase 2 I started phase 2 after 16 days of phase 1.For lunch, I had a subway turkey wrap, I was bad as Ihad them put cheese on it. I figured I would "treat"myself for starting phase 2. My question is does any company make the shells that Icould buy in a grocry store? It was surpringly verytasty. Maybe tonight or tomorrow I will have an apple. JoeReminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 I figured that since I forgot my string cheese this morning, the cheese I had today will take care of that plus the fat free cheese I usually put in my eggs. The wrap was a wheat, soy, and sesame based flour. I read on here that they are indeed legal, so that is why I got it. It was so good, I might just eat that for lunch everyday and change the meats around. I do notice a difference in how I look, but I refuse to use a scale. Joe --- weighter wrote: > Joe, > > Please don't undo all your good work in Phase 1! I > would be treating myself for wearing blue if I > weren't careful! LOL > > What kind of shells do you mean? Taco shells are off > limits because they are made of corn. Whole wheat > tortilla wraps are made by several companies and > should be in your local store. > > > > Started Phase 2 > > > I started phase 2 after 16 days of phase 1. > > For lunch, I had a subway turkey wrap, I was bad > as I > had them put cheese on it. I figured I would > " treat " > myself for starting phase 2. > > My question is does any company make the shells > that I > could buy in a grocry store? It was surpringly > very > tasty. > > Maybe tonight or tomorrow I will have an apple. > > Joe > > > Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. > Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you > to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the > good ones-and enables you to live quite happily > without the bad carbs and bad fats. > > For more on this WOE please read " The South Beach > Diet " by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 The wrap is legal, just be careful what's in it. I MUST try one of these! Started Phase 2> > > I started phase 2 after 16 days of phase 1.> > For lunch, I had a subway turkey wrap, I was bad> as I> had them put cheese on it. I figured I would> "treat"> myself for starting phase 2. > > My question is does any company make the shells> that I> could buy in a grocry store? It was surpringly> very> tasty. > > Maybe tonight or tomorrow I will have an apple. > > Joe> > > Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb.> Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you> to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the> good ones-and enables you to live quite happily> without the bad carbs and bad fats. > > For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach> Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 La Tortilla has a very high fiber whole wheat tortilla that is very yummy... I'm not sure who all carrys them but look around. I'm in the midwest - Chicago area and this is where I find them. How did Phase one go for you? I'm on it!!! Good luck! Janelle > I started phase 2 after 16 days of phase 1. > > For lunch, I had a subway turkey wrap, I was bad as I > had them put cheese on it. I figured I would " treat " > myself for starting phase 2. > > My question is does any company make the shells that I > could buy in a grocry store? It was surpringly very > tasty. > > Maybe tonight or tomorrow I will have an apple. > > Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 La Tortilla has a very high fiber whole wheat tortilla that is very yummy... I'm not sure who all carrys them but look around. I'm in the midwest - Chicago area and this is where I find them. How did Phase one go for you? I'm on it!!! Good luck! Janelle > I started phase 2 after 16 days of phase 1. > > For lunch, I had a subway turkey wrap, I was bad as I > had them put cheese on it. I figured I would " treat " > myself for starting phase 2. > > My question is does any company make the shells that I > could buy in a grocry store? It was surpringly very > tasty. > > Maybe tonight or tomorrow I will have an apple. > > Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hi all, I've been mostly lurking but thought i'd chime in here. I dont understand why having cheese on your wrap is treating yourself....isnt that allowed? Those subway wraps are so good, I had one on Saturday. I'm a few days into phase 2 as well and have lost about 7 pounds so far...i'm keeping starches down to 0-1 a day and keeping my sweets to sugar-free fudge pops and sugar-free jello. I noticed this morning that I can actually zip my " skinny " jeans althouth they are still snug. Back on the shelf they go, til they are comfy. Anyway, I dont think its a good idea, at least for me, to be too stringent, otherwise, I know I'll end up quitting. I feel way to good doing this diet to do that. Anyway, congrats on your successful progress and keep it up! Libby > > Joe, > > > > Please don't undo all your good work in Phase 1! I > > would be treating myself for wearing blue if I > > weren't careful! LOL > > > > What kind of shells do you mean? Taco shells are off > > limits because they are made of corn. Whole wheat > > tortilla wraps are made by several companies and > > should be in your local store. > > > > > > > > Started Phase 2 > > > > > > I started phase 2 after 16 days of phase 1. > > > > For lunch, I had a subway turkey wrap, I was bad > > as I > > had them put cheese on it. I figured I would > > " treat " > > myself for starting phase 2. > > > > My question is does any company make the shells > > that I > > could buy in a grocry store? It was surpringly > > very > > tasty. > > > > Maybe tonight or tomorrow I will have an apple. > > > > Joe > > > > > > Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. > > Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you > > to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the > > good ones-and enables you to live quite happily > > without the bad carbs and bad fats. > > > > For more on this WOE please read " The South Beach > > Diet " by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hi all, I've been mostly lurking but thought i'd chime in here. I dont understand why having cheese on your wrap is treating yourself....isnt that allowed? Those subway wraps are so good, I had one on Saturday. I'm a few days into phase 2 as well and have lost about 7 pounds so far...i'm keeping starches down to 0-1 a day and keeping my sweets to sugar-free fudge pops and sugar-free jello. I noticed this morning that I can actually zip my " skinny " jeans althouth they are still snug. Back on the shelf they go, til they are comfy. Anyway, I dont think its a good idea, at least for me, to be too stringent, otherwise, I know I'll end up quitting. I feel way to good doing this diet to do that. Anyway, congrats on your successful progress and keep it up! Libby > > Joe, > > > > Please don't undo all your good work in Phase 1! I > > would be treating myself for wearing blue if I > > weren't careful! LOL > > > > What kind of shells do you mean? Taco shells are off > > limits because they are made of corn. Whole wheat > > tortilla wraps are made by several companies and > > should be in your local store. > > > > > > > > Started Phase 2 > > > > > > I started phase 2 after 16 days of phase 1. > > > > For lunch, I had a subway turkey wrap, I was bad > > as I > > had them put cheese on it. I figured I would > > " treat " > > myself for starting phase 2. > > > > My question is does any company make the shells > > that I > > could buy in a grocry store? It was surpringly > > very > > tasty. > > > > Maybe tonight or tomorrow I will have an apple. > > > > Joe > > > > > > Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. > > Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you > > to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the > > good ones-and enables you to live quite happily > > without the bad carbs and bad fats. > > > > For more on this WOE please read " The South Beach > > Diet " by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 For the Chinese buffet, a lot of these buffets have a 'Mongolian Grill', where they let you choose the raw ingredients and they cook it in front of you. If you can find one of these you can usually do pretty well. -----Original Message-----From: Debbi L-B Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:30 PMTo: South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right Subject: Re: Started Phase 2Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 For the Chinese buffet, a lot of these buffets have a 'Mongolian Grill', where they let you choose the raw ingredients and they cook it in front of you. If you can find one of these you can usually do pretty well. -----Original Message-----From: Debbi L-B Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:30 PMTo: South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right Subject: Re: Started Phase 2Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Do a Mongolian hotpot aka Singapore Steamboat. Get out that old fondue pot, fill it with boiling water, put the heat on and present your family/guests with plates of thinly sliced beef, chicken, veggies (mushrooms are good) and whatever strikes your fancy. As a side, if you are Phase 2, present some brown rice to be put on the plates ahead of time. Don't forget some dips. The Mongolian hotpot dates back to the days when the Mongolians invaded China (can you say Genghis Khan?). The Mongols would use their helmet to boil water and would add dried meat, or whatever, for a meal. I hear there are hotpot restaurants in China. Many years ago Graham Kerr (The Galluping Gourmet) did a show on the Steamboat - same idea. > We used to have one of those around here but unfortunatly it went out > of business before I went on the SBD! > > Blessings, > Debbi in NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Do a Mongolian hotpot aka Singapore Steamboat. Get out that old fondue pot, fill it with boiling water, put the heat on and present your family/guests with plates of thinly sliced beef, chicken, veggies (mushrooms are good) and whatever strikes your fancy. As a side, if you are Phase 2, present some brown rice to be put on the plates ahead of time. Don't forget some dips. The Mongolian hotpot dates back to the days when the Mongolians invaded China (can you say Genghis Khan?). The Mongols would use their helmet to boil water and would add dried meat, or whatever, for a meal. I hear there are hotpot restaurants in China. Many years ago Graham Kerr (The Galluping Gourmet) did a show on the Steamboat - same idea. > We used to have one of those around here but unfortunatly it went out > of business before I went on the SBD! > > Blessings, > Debbi in NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 If the cheese is reduced fat or fat free, it's legal. Otherwise, it's not. Started Phase 2> > > > > > I started phase 2 after 16 days of phase 1.> > > > For lunch, I had a subway turkey wrap, I was bad> > as I> > had them put cheese on it. I figured I would> > "treat"> > myself for starting phase 2. > > > > My question is does any company make the shells> > that I> > could buy in a grocry store? It was surpringly> > very> > tasty. > > > > Maybe tonight or tomorrow I will have an apple. > > > > Joe> > > > > > Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb.> > Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you> > to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the> > good ones-and enables you to live quite happily> > without the bad carbs and bad fats. > > > > For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach> > Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Do you boil the food? Re: Started Phase 2 Do a Mongolian hotpot aka Singapore Steamboat. Get out that old fondue pot, fill it with boiling water, put the heat on and present your family/guests with plates of thinly sliced beef, chicken, veggies (mushrooms are good) and whatever strikes your fancy. As a side, if you are Phase 2, present some brown rice to be put on the plates ahead of time. Don't forget some dips. The Mongolian hotpot dates back to the days when the Mongolians invaded China (can you say Genghis Khan?). The Mongols would use their helmet to boil water and would add dried meat, or whatever, for a meal. I hear there are hotpot restaurants in China. Many years ago Graham Kerr (The Galluping Gourmet) did a show on the Steamboat - same idea. > We used to have one of those around here but unfortunatly it went out > of business before I went on the SBD! > > Blessings,> Debbi in NSReminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Do you boil the food? Re: Started Phase 2 Do a Mongolian hotpot aka Singapore Steamboat. Get out that old fondue pot, fill it with boiling water, put the heat on and present your family/guests with plates of thinly sliced beef, chicken, veggies (mushrooms are good) and whatever strikes your fancy. As a side, if you are Phase 2, present some brown rice to be put on the plates ahead of time. Don't forget some dips. The Mongolian hotpot dates back to the days when the Mongolians invaded China (can you say Genghis Khan?). The Mongols would use their helmet to boil water and would add dried meat, or whatever, for a meal. I hear there are hotpot restaurants in China. Many years ago Graham Kerr (The Galluping Gourmet) did a show on the Steamboat - same idea. > We used to have one of those around here but unfortunatly it went out > of business before I went on the SBD! > > Blessings,> Debbi in NSReminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Do you boil the food? Re: Started Phase 2 Do a Mongolian hotpot aka Singapore Steamboat. Get out that old fondue pot, fill it with boiling water, put the heat on and present your family/guests with plates of thinly sliced beef, chicken, veggies (mushrooms are good) and whatever strikes your fancy. As a side, if you are Phase 2, present some brown rice to be put on the plates ahead of time. Don't forget some dips. The Mongolian hotpot dates back to the days when the Mongolians invaded China (can you say Genghis Khan?). The Mongols would use their helmet to boil water and would add dried meat, or whatever, for a meal. I hear there are hotpot restaurants in China. Many years ago Graham Kerr (The Galluping Gourmet) did a show on the Steamboat - same idea. > We used to have one of those around here but unfortunatly it went out > of business before I went on the SBD! > > Blessings,> Debbi in NSReminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Debbi, I have never lost my sweet tooth but I feed it artificially sweetened things, like Splenda. Do you have a problem with those? Re: Started Phase 2 This is my second week on Phase 2 I am still having cravings for sweets but only in the afternoon. I try to eat some cottage cheese around that time or get a frozen fruit bar with Nutra Sweet which they sell in the hospital where I work.We went to a Chinese buffett last weekend and I cheated for the first time and had a very small dish of ice cream. I am glad that most of my cravings for bread have vanished but I still have those sweet cravings. Anyone else have this problem or does the sweet cravings take longer to curb. Funny thing is I never had a sweet tooth - it was always bread and carbs that were my downfall. Its funny how things come to haunt you that you did not expect. At the buffett while waiting in line they had a vending machine that sold Skittles and I was SO tempted - I LOVE Skittles but I did not have one. I found the buffett pretty limiting - a lot of stuff was deep fried and breaded which I avoided - I only had stir fries with meat and veggies some shell fish, egg foo young with veggies, some fruit salad (apples, oranges and grapes) and my little treat of the ice cream - I am going to give this another month and if my cravings for sweets don't go I may give in but I will continue to avoid bread, pasta, rice and potatoes.Blessings,DebbiReminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Debbi, I have never lost my sweet tooth but I feed it artificially sweetened things, like Splenda. Do you have a problem with those? Re: Started Phase 2 This is my second week on Phase 2 I am still having cravings for sweets but only in the afternoon. I try to eat some cottage cheese around that time or get a frozen fruit bar with Nutra Sweet which they sell in the hospital where I work.We went to a Chinese buffett last weekend and I cheated for the first time and had a very small dish of ice cream. I am glad that most of my cravings for bread have vanished but I still have those sweet cravings. Anyone else have this problem or does the sweet cravings take longer to curb. Funny thing is I never had a sweet tooth - it was always bread and carbs that were my downfall. Its funny how things come to haunt you that you did not expect. At the buffett while waiting in line they had a vending machine that sold Skittles and I was SO tempted - I LOVE Skittles but I did not have one. I found the buffett pretty limiting - a lot of stuff was deep fried and breaded which I avoided - I only had stir fries with meat and veggies some shell fish, egg foo young with veggies, some fruit salad (apples, oranges and grapes) and my little treat of the ice cream - I am going to give this another month and if my cravings for sweets don't go I may give in but I will continue to avoid bread, pasta, rice and potatoes.Blessings,DebbiReminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Debbi, I have never lost my sweet tooth but I feed it artificially sweetened things, like Splenda. Do you have a problem with those? Re: Started Phase 2 This is my second week on Phase 2 I am still having cravings for sweets but only in the afternoon. I try to eat some cottage cheese around that time or get a frozen fruit bar with Nutra Sweet which they sell in the hospital where I work.We went to a Chinese buffett last weekend and I cheated for the first time and had a very small dish of ice cream. I am glad that most of my cravings for bread have vanished but I still have those sweet cravings. Anyone else have this problem or does the sweet cravings take longer to curb. Funny thing is I never had a sweet tooth - it was always bread and carbs that were my downfall. Its funny how things come to haunt you that you did not expect. At the buffett while waiting in line they had a vending machine that sold Skittles and I was SO tempted - I LOVE Skittles but I did not have one. I found the buffett pretty limiting - a lot of stuff was deep fried and breaded which I avoided - I only had stir fries with meat and veggies some shell fish, egg foo young with veggies, some fruit salad (apples, oranges and grapes) and my little treat of the ice cream - I am going to give this another month and if my cravings for sweets don't go I may give in but I will continue to avoid bread, pasta, rice and potatoes.Blessings,DebbiReminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 No I have splenda - what can I use it for in mid-afternoon when I do get a craving?? Blessings, Debbi in NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 No I have splenda - what can I use it for in mid-afternoon when I do get a craving?? Blessings, Debbi in NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 No I have splenda - what can I use it for in mid-afternoon when I do get a craving?? Blessings, Debbi in NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Have you tried the ricotta desserts? I put it in the food processor to make it creamy and add lots of cocoa and splenda (more than the book says!) or lots of other flavorings. Or add splenda to non-fat plain yogurt. If you have a lot more self control than I do, I think the sugar free candies from Stover's etc are OK on Ph1. But they may be just for Ph 2, sorry. They contain sugar alcohols which might cause stomache upset. Anyone remember what Phase they apply to? Re: Started Phase 2 No I have splenda - what can I use it for in mid-afternoon when I do get a craving?? Blessings,Debbi in NSReminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 I haven't tried the ricotta desserts - I don't like chocolate believe it or not so I was hesitant to try them - I did buy some sugar free popsicles to have but I can't keep them at work - I need something in the afternoon I can snack on when I do get a craving I guess. Blessings, Debbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Mix Splenda, skim milk and vanilla. It's really good!! ¸..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- God's Blessings -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* http://www.stitch-n-frame.net Subject: Re: Started Phase 2 No I have splenda - what can I use it for in mid-afternoon when I do get a craving?? Blessings, Debbi in NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Yes, that's the idea. At the end of the meal you drink the " soup " . IIRC with the Steamboat you use chicken stock and lots of seafood. > > We used to have one of those around here but unfortunatly it went > out > > of business before I went on the SBD! > > > > Blessings, > > Debbi in NS > > > > Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low- fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. > > For more on this WOE please read " The South Beach Diet " by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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