RE: Salt in the American Diet

[Guest guest]

Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post on salt in the diet. It is

nice to know that I am not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

scientific literature, I am open to specific recommendations. This week I had a

follow-up call from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that hasn't responded

fully to diuretic therapy. Her doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the

sodium in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call back was to find out

if it would be cheating " too much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

products a week since someone told her they were " loaded " with sodium and she

shouldn't eat any at all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh fruit,

fresh vegetables and fish without any salt. She has also cut out dairy. she is

already bored. I wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88 year old

who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told by, who knows who, that this diet was

the solution. She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I think I am going

to play music in my office with a subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL

THINGS. Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED more than 1500 mg a

day of sodium doesn't mean we can't consume more than that. We also don't need

alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very long list if you list

everything individually. That doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree,

I don't want to be the food police and don't want anyone else telling me what to

eat either. However, if the food police have their way with salt and remove it

from all processed food and restuarants, obesity will either get worse because

all people will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or else everyone

will lose weight because the food is tasteless and bland. Think of all the

restaurants going out of business!

[Guest guest]

I am sorry we do *NEED* chocolate :-) Cute

website<http://www.virtualchocolate.com/quotes.cfm>

But one problem that I saw a few years ago, was that when they removed fat -

they added more sugar and salt. No one seems to know how to season anymore

without beyond moderation of fat, sugar and salt. Recently they took out

trans fats but just upped the saturated fats. We need to enjoy real flavors

of food again!!

>

>

> Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post on salt in the diet. It

> is nice to know that I am not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

> scientific literature, I am open to specific recommendations. This week I

> had a follow-up call from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that hasn't

> responded fully to diuretic therapy. Her doctor had told her, orginally, to

> reduce the sodium in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call back was

> to find out if it would be cheating " too much " to eat two pieces of bread or

> bread type products a week since someone told her they were " loaded " with

> sodium and she shouldn't eat any at all. She said she was restricting her

> diet to fresh fruit, fresh vegetables and fish without any salt. She has

> also cut out dairy. she is already bored. I wonder why? This is an otherwise

> healthy, active, 88 year old who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told by,

> who knows who, that this diet was the solution. She now has an other visit

> scheduled with me. I think I am going to play music in my office with a

> subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL THINGS. Including margaritas! Just

> because we don't NEED more than 1500 mg a day of sodium doesn't mean we

> can't consume more than that. We also don't need

> alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very long list if you list

> everything individually. That doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I

> agree, I don't want to be the food police and don't want anyone else telling

> me what to eat either. However, if the food police have their way with salt

> and remove it from all processed food and restuarants, obesity will either

> get worse because all people will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in

> it or else everyone will lose weight because the food is tasteless and

> bland. Think of all the restaurants going out of business!

>

>

>

--

Ortiz, MS, RD

*The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com>

Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition

* " Older Dietitians " - seasoned to PERFECTION**

*

[Guest guest]

What we don't need chocolate. Horrors!!!!!!!!! I feel a chocolate attack coming

on.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

> Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post on salt in the diet. It is

nice to know that I am not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

scientific literature, I am open to specific recommendations. This week I had a

follow-up call from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that hasn't responded

fully to diuretic therapy. Her doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the

sodium in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call back was to find out if

it would be cheating " too much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

products a week since someone told her they were " loaded " with sodium and she

shouldn't eat any at all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh fruit,

fresh vegetables and fish without any salt. She has also cut out dairy. she is

already bored. I wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88 year old

who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told by, who knows who, that this diet was

the solution. She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I think I am going

to play music in my office with a subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL

THINGS. Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED more than 1500 mg a day

of sodium doesn't mean we can't consume more than that. We also don't need

alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very long list if you list

everything individually. That doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree, I

don't want to be the food police and don't want anyone else telling me what to

eat either. However, if the food police have their way with salt and remove it

from all processed food and restuarants, obesity will either get worse because

all people will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or else everyone

will lose weight because the food is tasteless and bland. Think of all the

restaurants going out of business!

>

>

[Guest guest]

A low sodium diet is not going to solve her BLE edema. Have her see a massage

therapist to help move that edema toward her heart!

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

mimco_2000

Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 7:11 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post on salt in the diet. It is

nice to know that I am not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

scientific literature, I am open to specific recommendations. This week I had a

follow-up call from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that hasn't responded

fully to diuretic therapy. Her doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the

sodium in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call back was to find out if

it would be cheating " too much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

products a week since someone told her they were " loaded " with sodium and she

shouldn't eat any at all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh fruit,

fresh vegetables and fish without any salt. She has also cut out dairy. she is

already bored. I wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88 year old

who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told by, who knows who, that this diet was

the solution. She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I think I am going

to play music in my office with a subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL

THINGS. Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED more than 1500 mg a day

of sodium doesn't mean we can't consume more than that. We also don't need

alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very long list if you list

everything individually. That doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree, I

don't want to be the food police and don't want anyone else telling me what to

eat either. However, if the food police have their way with salt and remove it

from all processed food and restuarants, obesity will either get worse because

all people will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or else everyone

will lose weight because the food is tasteless and bland. Think of all the

restaurants going out of business!

[Guest guest]

Did you mean to say " help move that edema toward her heart " ?

Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

The NATURAL dietitian

Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

jpress50@...

If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the future

Re: Salt in the American Diet

Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post on salt in the diet. It is

nice to know that I am not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

scientific literature, I am open to specific recommendations. This week I had a

follow-up call from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that hasn't responded

fully to diuretic therapy. Her doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the

sodium in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call back was to find out if

it would be cheating " too much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

products a week since someone told her they were " loaded " with sodium and she

shouldn't eat any at all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh fruit,

fresh vegetables and fish without any salt. She has also cut out dairy. she is

already bored. I wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88 year old

who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told by, who knows who, that this diet was

the solution. She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I think I am going

to play music in my office with a subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL

THINGS. Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED more than 1500 mg a day

of sodium doesn't mean we can't consume more than that. We also don't need

alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very long list if you list

everything individually. That doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree, I

don't want to be the food police and don't want anyone else telling me what to

eat either. However, if the food police have their way with salt and remove it

from all processed food and restuarants, obesity will either get worse because

all people will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or else everyone

will lose weight because the food is tasteless and bland. Think of all the

restaurants going out of business!

[Guest guest]

Yes, I did, but I didn’t explain it. I don’t mean make her heart edemic! )

Just that the edema should be massaged in the direction of the heart, to assist

the circulatory system to excrete the excess fluids via the lymphatic system. My

wife is a massage therapist, so I’m learning a little about medical massage.

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Jpress50@...

Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:55 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Re: Salt in the American Diet

Did you mean to say " help move that edema toward her heart " ?

Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

The NATURAL dietitian

Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

jpress50@...<mailto:jpress50%40aol.com>

If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the future

Re: Salt in the American Diet

Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post on salt in the diet. It is

nice to know that I am not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

scientific literature, I am open to specific recommendations. This week I had a

follow-up call from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that hasn't responded

fully to diuretic therapy. Her doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the

sodium in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call back was to find out if

it would be cheating " too much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

products a week since someone told her they were " loaded " with sodium and she

shouldn't eat any at all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh fruit,

fresh vegetables and fish without any salt. She has also cut out dairy. she is

already bored. I wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88 year old

who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told by, who knows who, that this diet was

the solution. She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I think I am going

to play music in my office with a subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL

THINGS. Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED more than 1500 mg a day

of sodium doesn't mean we can't consume more than that. We also don't need

alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very long list if you list

everything individually. That doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree, I

don't want to be the food police and don't want anyone else telling me what to

eat either. However, if the food police have their way with salt and remove it

from all processed food and restuarants, obesity will either get worse because

all people will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or else everyone

will lose weight because the food is tasteless and bland. Think of all the

restaurants going out of business!

[Guest guest]

“If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the futureâ€

What? Are dietitians eating doctors now?

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Jpress50@...

Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:55 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Re: Salt in the American Diet

Did you mean to say " help move that edema toward her heart " ?

Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

The NATURAL dietitian

Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

jpress50@...<mailto:jpress50%40aol.com>

If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the future

Re: Salt in the American Diet

Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post on salt in the diet. It is

nice to know that I am not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

scientific literature, I am open to specific recommendations. This week I had a

follow-up call from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that hasn't responded

fully to diuretic therapy. Her doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the

sodium in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call back was to find out if

it would be cheating " too much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

products a week since someone told her they were " loaded " with sodium and she

shouldn't eat any at all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh fruit,

fresh vegetables and fish without any salt. She has also cut out dairy. she is

already bored. I wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88 year old

who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told by, who knows who, that this diet was

the solution. She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I think I am going

to play music in my office with a subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL

THINGS. Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED more than 1500 mg a day

of sodium doesn't mean we can't consume more than that. We also don't need

alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very long list if you list

everything individually. That doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree, I

don't want to be the food police and don't want anyone else telling me what to

eat either. However, if the food police have their way with salt and remove it

from all processed food and restuarants, obesity will either get worse because

all people will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or else everyone

will lose weight because the food is tasteless and bland. Think of all the

restaurants going out of business!

[Guest guest]

“If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the futureâ€

What? Are dietitians eating doctors now?

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Jpress50@...

Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:55 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Re: Salt in the American Diet

Did you mean to say " help move that edema toward her heart " ?

Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

The NATURAL dietitian

Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

jpress50@...<mailto:jpress50%40aol.com>

If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the future

Re: Salt in the American Diet

Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post on salt in the diet. It is

nice to know that I am not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

scientific literature, I am open to specific recommendations. This week I had a

follow-up call from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that hasn't responded

fully to diuretic therapy. Her doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the

sodium in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call back was to find out if

it would be cheating " too much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

products a week since someone told her they were " loaded " with sodium and she

shouldn't eat any at all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh fruit,

fresh vegetables and fish without any salt. She has also cut out dairy. she is

already bored. I wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88 year old

who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told by, who knows who, that this diet was

the solution. She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I think I am going

to play music in my office with a subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL

THINGS. Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED more than 1500 mg a day

of sodium doesn't mean we can't consume more than that. We also don't need

alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very long list if you list

everything individually. That doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree, I

don't want to be the food police and don't want anyone else telling me what to

eat either. However, if the food police have their way with salt and remove it

from all processed food and restuarants, obesity will either get worse because

all people will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or else everyone

will lose weight because the food is tasteless and bland. Think of all the

restaurants going out of business!

[Guest guest]

My hospital used to have a medical massage therapist that worked in the

hospital. Patient's loved it....very nice for the palliative care patients as

well as others.....unfortunately that position (not reimbursable) was a cost

savings cut. Sometimes allopathic medical treatment

is not the only answer.

Cece

---- Original message ----

>Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:48:23 +0000

>From: rd-usa (on behalf of " Rowell, " )

>Subject: RE: Re: Salt in the American Diet

>To: " 'rd-usa ' " <rd-usa >

>

>

>

> Yes, I did, but I didn’t explain it. I don’t

> mean make her heart edemic! ) Just that the edema

> should be massaged in the direction of the heart, to

> assist the circulatory system to excrete the excess

> fluids via the lymphatic system. My wife is a

> massage therapist, so I’m learning a little about

> medical massage.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN

> Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> From: rd-usa

> [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> Jpress50@...

> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:55 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Re: Salt in the American Diet

>

> Did you mean to say " help move that edema toward her

> heart " ?

>

> Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> The NATURAL dietitian

> Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal

> Nutrition Coaching

> and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the

> health track

> Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> Internet and telecounseling available for distance

> clients

>

> jpress50@...<mailto:jpress50%40aol.com>

>

> If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the

> doctors of the future

>

> Re: Salt in the American Diet

>

> Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post

> on salt in the diet. It is nice to know that I am

> not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

> scientific literature, I am open to specific

> recommendations. This week I had a follow-up call

> from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that

> hasn't responded fully to diuretic therapy. Her

> doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the sodium

> in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call

> back was to find out if it would be cheating " too

> much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

> products a week since someone told her they were

> " loaded " with sodium and she shouldn't eat any at

> all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh

> fruit, fresh vegetables and fish without any salt.

> She has also cut out dairy. she is already bored. I

> wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88

> year old who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told

> by, who knows who, that this diet was the solution.

> She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I

> think I am going to play music in my office with a

> subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL THINGS.

> Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED

> more than 1500 mg a day of sodium doesn't mean we

> can't consume more than that. We also don't need

> alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very

> long list if you list everything individually. That

> doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree, I

> don't want to be the food police and don't want

> anyone else telling me what to eat either. However,

> if the food police have their way with salt and

> remove it from all processed food and restuarants,

> obesity will either get worse because all people

> will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or

> else everyone will lose weight because the food is

> tasteless and bland. Think of all the restaurants

> going out of business!

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My hospital used to have a medical massage therapist that worked in the

hospital. Patient's loved it....very nice for the palliative care patients as

well as others.....unfortunately that position (not reimbursable) was a cost

savings cut. Sometimes allopathic medical treatment

is not the only answer.

Cece

---- Original message ----

>Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:48:23 +0000

>From: rd-usa (on behalf of " Rowell, " )

>Subject: RE: Re: Salt in the American Diet

>To: " 'rd-usa ' " <rd-usa >

>

>

>

> Yes, I did, but I didn’t explain it. I don’t

> mean make her heart edemic! ) Just that the edema

> should be massaged in the direction of the heart, to

> assist the circulatory system to excrete the excess

> fluids via the lymphatic system. My wife is a

> massage therapist, so I’m learning a little about

> medical massage.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN

> Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> From: rd-usa

> [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> Jpress50@...

> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:55 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Re: Salt in the American Diet

>

> Did you mean to say " help move that edema toward her

> heart " ?

>

> Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> The NATURAL dietitian

> Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal

> Nutrition Coaching

> and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the

> health track

> Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> Internet and telecounseling available for distance

> clients

>

> jpress50@...<mailto:jpress50%40aol.com>

>

> If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the

> doctors of the future

>

> Re: Salt in the American Diet

>

> Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post

> on salt in the diet. It is nice to know that I am

> not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

> scientific literature, I am open to specific

> recommendations. This week I had a follow-up call

> from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that

> hasn't responded fully to diuretic therapy. Her

> doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the sodium

> in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call

> back was to find out if it would be cheating " too

> much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

> products a week since someone told her they were

> " loaded " with sodium and she shouldn't eat any at

> all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh

> fruit, fresh vegetables and fish without any salt.

> She has also cut out dairy. she is already bored. I

> wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88

> year old who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told

> by, who knows who, that this diet was the solution.

> She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I

> think I am going to play music in my office with a

> subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL THINGS.

> Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED

> more than 1500 mg a day of sodium doesn't mean we

> can't consume more than that. We also don't need

> alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very

> long list if you list everything individually. That

> doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree, I

> don't want to be the food police and don't want

> anyone else telling me what to eat either. However,

> if the food police have their way with salt and

> remove it from all processed food and restuarants,

> obesity will either get worse because all people

> will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or

> else everyone will lose weight because the food is

> tasteless and bland. Think of all the restaurants

> going out of business!

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

yup - we're eating them alive with our awesome knowledge!

Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

The NATURAL dietitian

Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

jpress50@...

If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the future

Re: Salt in the American Diet

Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post on salt in the diet. It is

nice to know that I am not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

scientific literature, I am open to specific recommendations. This week I had a

follow-up call from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that hasn't responded

fully to diuretic therapy. Her doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the

sodium in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call back was to find out if

it would be cheating " too much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

products a week since someone told her they were " loaded " with sodium and she

shouldn't eat any at all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh fruit,

fresh vegetables and fish without any salt. She has also cut out dairy. she is

already bored. I wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88 year old

who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told by, who knows who, that this diet was

the solution. She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I think I am going

to play music in my office with a subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL

THINGS. Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED more than 1500 mg a day

of sodium doesn't mean we can't consume more than that. We also don't need

alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very long list if you list

everything individually. That doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree, I

don't want to be the food police and don't want anyone else telling me what to

eat either. However, if the food police have their way with salt and remove it

from all processed food and restuarants, obesity will either get worse because

all people will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or else everyone

will lose weight because the food is tasteless and bland. Think of all the

restaurants going out of business!

[Guest guest]

yup - we're eating them alive with our awesome knowledge!

Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

The NATURAL dietitian

Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

jpress50@...

If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the future

Re: Salt in the American Diet

Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post on salt in the diet. It is

nice to know that I am not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

scientific literature, I am open to specific recommendations. This week I had a

follow-up call from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that hasn't responded

fully to diuretic therapy. Her doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the

sodium in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call back was to find out if

it would be cheating " too much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

products a week since someone told her they were " loaded " with sodium and she

shouldn't eat any at all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh fruit,

fresh vegetables and fish without any salt. She has also cut out dairy. she is

already bored. I wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88 year old

who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told by, who knows who, that this diet was

the solution. She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I think I am going

to play music in my office with a subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL

THINGS. Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED more than 1500 mg a day

of sodium doesn't mean we can't consume more than that. We also don't need

alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very long list if you list

everything individually. That doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree, I

don't want to be the food police and don't want anyone else telling me what to

eat either. However, if the food police have their way with salt and remove it

from all processed food and restuarants, obesity will either get worse because

all people will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or else everyone

will lose weight because the food is tasteless and bland. Think of all the

restaurants going out of business!

[Guest guest]

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 8:49:22 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Salt in the American Diet

 

“If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the futureâ€

What?

Are dietitians eating doctors now?

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Jpress50@...

Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:55 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Re: Salt in the American Diet

Did you mean to say " help move that edema toward her heart " ?

Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

The NATURAL dietitian

Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

jpress50@...<mailto:jpress50%40aol.com>

If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the future

Re: Salt in the American Diet

Thank-you one and all to your responses to my post on salt in the diet. It is

nice to know that I am not crazy. To the person who posted to read the

scientific literature, I am open to specific recommendations. This week I had a

follow-up call from a 88 year old lady who has BLE edema that hasn't responded

fully to diuretic therapy. Her doctor had told her, orginally, to reduce the

sodium in her diet and we discussed strategies. Her call back was to find out if

it would be cheating " too much " to eat two pieces of bread or bread type

products a week since someone told her they were " loaded " with sodium and she

shouldn't eat any at all. She said she was restricting her diet to fresh fruit,

fresh vegetables and fish without any salt. She has also cut out dairy. she is

already bored. I wonder why? This is an otherwise healthy, active, 88 year old

who doesn't like puffy ankles and was told by, who knows who, that this diet was

the solution. She now has an other visit scheduled with me. I think I am going

to play music in my office with a subliminal message for MODERATION IN ALL

THINGS. Including margaritas! Just because we don't NEED more than 1500 mg a day

of sodium doesn't mean we can't consume more than that. We also don't need

alcohol,chocolate,dessert,nachos, pizza and a very long list if you list

everything individually. That doesn't mean we can never eat anything. I agree, I

don't want to be the food police and don't want anyone else telling me what to

eat either. However, if the food police have their way with salt and remove it

from all processed food and restuarants, obesity will either get worse because

all people will eat for flavor will have sugar and fat in it or else everyone

will lose weight because the food is tasteless and bland. Think of all the

restaurants going out of business!

[Guest guest]

Digna,

I hear you and I grinch. I know and I am sure so many of us know what its like.

Once people know you are an RD, the nightmare begins. when ppl see that I order

steak and fries they will say something as if I am suppose to live on lettuce,

celery sticks and carrots alone....ooops, I'm sorry, yes, I should eat only

veggies and look like a rabbit too....hahahah

And I HATE, yes, HATE with passion when ppl label babies as " fat " I hate when

they do it for adults, but for babies, to implant these in their minds in such

young age, creating the damage right in the early years. Babies are chubby bc

their skin grows faster then their bones with growth spurts coming in later in

life so many kids grow into their heights. In part this is our fault as a

society and as professionals - that we are so concentrating on " childhood

obesity " that kids and babies are being watched too closely what they eat. I

knew one couple where the husband was so OCD on being skinny and controlled

every bite that he took so when his wife went back to work after maternity, the

baby was 3-4 months old, and when the baby started eat real food the nannie was

told to write down everything he eats so that if he misses any food group he

will be provided with....the first time I heard that I wanted to scream and pull

out my hair.Call me when this kid will show s/s of anorexia/bulimia in his

teens. ppl are too concentrated on the wrong things.and this father always

wanted to get my approval for what is served for the holiday dinner. Of course I

refused, and told him - we are here to enjoy our holiday dinner not to ruin it

with diet review. " YOur mother in law cooked - I eat " . That's all there is to

it.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: dignacassens@...

Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:18:25 -0700

Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

I'M SOOOO TIRED OF CARBS!! I travelled with our COO today. We've known

each

other for >30 years but she still says I intimidate her - I don't think it's

me, I think it's bc I'm an RD. She's fought her weight all her life and

finally since last year I've seen it come down and noticed a body shape

change. There are several versions of the reasons, from hers that she

adopted a healthier lifestyle, to those that don't like her that she had

bariatric surgery. I really don't care why, do really mind that I'm told

about every little bite she eats or doesn't.

So today we ride together to the airport for a one afternoon trip to attend

a facility open house in the north. She wasnts to buy somethng to eat (I

took my half tuna w me and had eaten the chix-noodle soup at the office) so

I sat and ate while she looked for her something. She came back w a box of

Starbucks oameal w packs of nuts and raisins, a coffee w whatever (I didn't

ask how she drinks it) and 2 forks and spoons. She wanted to share w me and

I didn't mind bc I nibble constantly while awake. So we start to share the

oatmeal in the plane - surprisingly good actually - but first she has to

explain how this is the most carbs she's had all year and how now she's

being more lenient with herself yaddy-yaddy.... I just dipped into the

oatmeal until once again full and said nothing. But then she couldn't eat

the fruit that I opeoned up bc she'd had too much carb already. So in the

car driving the the facility we were visiting I helped myself to a few

pieces of fruit and put the rest back for her which she ate later, but in

deference to her non-RD driver she didn't talk about carbs again.

She also showed me a few photos of her grand-daughter who is about 2 and she

pointed out repeatedly how " she has my fat genes and I can see them

already " . Again, I said nothing but that what a cutie, how happy she looks,

she'll be as tall as her parents, and how healthy she looks. Then I showed

her a pic of my 3-1/2 almost 4 y.o g/son and she saw the pacifier in his

mouth - he was taking a nap after a napless day in his Montesori day care -

and commented sternly how they just took the pacifier away from her

g/daughter last month bc she's already 18 months. Well, in my opinion, what

the hell are " fat genes " ? some babies are chunky and some are lean, and a

pacifier helps tremendously to avoid oral depravation, so if a 20 y.o. wants

use one to go to sleep, what's the big deal? I sucked my thumb until I was

12 and I have no eating problems, and no weight problems.

I just keep my mouth shut when it turns to this. But I do get irritated.

Salt in the American Diet

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me.

>>> I

>

>>

>

>>> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the

>

>>

>

>> American

>

>>

>

>>> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are

>

>>

>

>> saying

>

>>

>

>>> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

>

>>

>

>>> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark

>>> ages,

>

>>

>

>>> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

>

>>

>

>>> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free

>

>>

>

>> foods

>

>>

>

>>> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

>

>>

>

>>> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all

>

>>

>

>> salt

>

>>

>

>>> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a

>

>>

>

>> realistic

>

>>

>

>>> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no

>

>>> change

>

>>

>

>>> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I

>

>>

>

>> believe

>

>>

>

>>> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math,

>

>>> is

>

>>

>

>> a

>

>>

>

>>> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree

>

>>> to

>

>>

>

>>> recognize that this is significant.

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one

>

>>> killer

>

>>

>

>>> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are

>

>>

>

>> going

>

>>

>

>>> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to

>

>>

>

>> be

>

>>

>

>>> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

>

>>

>

>>> number one spot?

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

>

>>

>

>>> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar

>>> and

>

>>

>

>>> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just

>

>>> seems

>

>>

>

>>> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and

>>> just

>

>>

>

>>> plain stupid.

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> Mavis , RDLD

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> ------------------------------------

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Digna,

I hear you and I grinch. I know and I am sure so many of us know what its like.

Once people know you are an RD, the nightmare begins. when ppl see that I order

steak and fries they will say something as if I am suppose to live on lettuce,

celery sticks and carrots alone....ooops, I'm sorry, yes, I should eat only

veggies and look like a rabbit too....hahahah

And I HATE, yes, HATE with passion when ppl label babies as " fat " I hate when

they do it for adults, but for babies, to implant these in their minds in such

young age, creating the damage right in the early years. Babies are chubby bc

their skin grows faster then their bones with growth spurts coming in later in

life so many kids grow into their heights. In part this is our fault as a

society and as professionals - that we are so concentrating on " childhood

obesity " that kids and babies are being watched too closely what they eat. I

knew one couple where the husband was so OCD on being skinny and controlled

every bite that he took so when his wife went back to work after maternity, the

baby was 3-4 months old, and when the baby started eat real food the nannie was

told to write down everything he eats so that if he misses any food group he

will be provided with....the first time I heard that I wanted to scream and pull

out my hair.Call me when this kid will show s/s of anorexia/bulimia in his

teens. ppl are too concentrated on the wrong things.and this father always

wanted to get my approval for what is served for the holiday dinner. Of course I

refused, and told him - we are here to enjoy our holiday dinner not to ruin it

with diet review. " YOur mother in law cooked - I eat " . That's all there is to

it.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: dignacassens@...

Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:18:25 -0700

Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

I'M SOOOO TIRED OF CARBS!! I travelled with our COO today. We've known

each

other for >30 years but she still says I intimidate her - I don't think it's

me, I think it's bc I'm an RD. She's fought her weight all her life and

finally since last year I've seen it come down and noticed a body shape

change. There are several versions of the reasons, from hers that she

adopted a healthier lifestyle, to those that don't like her that she had

bariatric surgery. I really don't care why, do really mind that I'm told

about every little bite she eats or doesn't.

So today we ride together to the airport for a one afternoon trip to attend

a facility open house in the north. She wasnts to buy somethng to eat (I

took my half tuna w me and had eaten the chix-noodle soup at the office) so

I sat and ate while she looked for her something. She came back w a box of

Starbucks oameal w packs of nuts and raisins, a coffee w whatever (I didn't

ask how she drinks it) and 2 forks and spoons. She wanted to share w me and

I didn't mind bc I nibble constantly while awake. So we start to share the

oatmeal in the plane - surprisingly good actually - but first she has to

explain how this is the most carbs she's had all year and how now she's

being more lenient with herself yaddy-yaddy.... I just dipped into the

oatmeal until once again full and said nothing. But then she couldn't eat

the fruit that I opeoned up bc she'd had too much carb already. So in the

car driving the the facility we were visiting I helped myself to a few

pieces of fruit and put the rest back for her which she ate later, but in

deference to her non-RD driver she didn't talk about carbs again.

She also showed me a few photos of her grand-daughter who is about 2 and she

pointed out repeatedly how " she has my fat genes and I can see them

already " . Again, I said nothing but that what a cutie, how happy she looks,

she'll be as tall as her parents, and how healthy she looks. Then I showed

her a pic of my 3-1/2 almost 4 y.o g/son and she saw the pacifier in his

mouth - he was taking a nap after a napless day in his Montesori day care -

and commented sternly how they just took the pacifier away from her

g/daughter last month bc she's already 18 months. Well, in my opinion, what

the hell are " fat genes " ? some babies are chunky and some are lean, and a

pacifier helps tremendously to avoid oral depravation, so if a 20 y.o. wants

use one to go to sleep, what's the big deal? I sucked my thumb until I was

12 and I have no eating problems, and no weight problems.

I just keep my mouth shut when it turns to this. But I do get irritated.

Salt in the American Diet

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me.

>>> I

>

>>

>

>>> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the

>

>>

>

>> American

>

>>

>

>>> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are

>

>>

>

>> saying

>

>>

>

>>> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

>

>>

>

>>> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark

>>> ages,

>

>>

>

>>> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

>

>>

>

>>> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free

>

>>

>

>> foods

>

>>

>

>>> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

>

>>

>

>>> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all

>

>>

>

>> salt

>

>>

>

>>> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a

>

>>

>

>> realistic

>

>>

>

>>> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no

>

>>> change

>

>>

>

>>> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I

>

>>

>

>> believe

>

>>

>

>>> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math,

>

>>> is

>

>>

>

>> a

>

>>

>

>>> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree

>

>>> to

>

>>

>

>>> recognize that this is significant.

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one

>

>>> killer

>

>>

>

>>> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are

>

>>

>

>> going

>

>>

>

>>> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to

>

>>

>

>> be

>

>>

>

>>> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

>

>>

>

>>> number one spot?

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

>

>>

>

>>> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar

>>> and

>

>>

>

>>> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just

>

>>> seems

>

>>

>

>>> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and

>>> just

>

>>

>

>>> plain stupid.

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> Mavis , RDLD

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> ------------------------------------

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Digna,

I hear you and I grinch. I know and I am sure so many of us know what its like.

Once people know you are an RD, the nightmare begins. when ppl see that I order

steak and fries they will say something as if I am suppose to live on lettuce,

celery sticks and carrots alone....ooops, I'm sorry, yes, I should eat only

veggies and look like a rabbit too....hahahah

And I HATE, yes, HATE with passion when ppl label babies as " fat " I hate when

they do it for adults, but for babies, to implant these in their minds in such

young age, creating the damage right in the early years. Babies are chubby bc

their skin grows faster then their bones with growth spurts coming in later in

life so many kids grow into their heights. In part this is our fault as a

society and as professionals - that we are so concentrating on " childhood

obesity " that kids and babies are being watched too closely what they eat. I

knew one couple where the husband was so OCD on being skinny and controlled

every bite that he took so when his wife went back to work after maternity, the

baby was 3-4 months old, and when the baby started eat real food the nannie was

told to write down everything he eats so that if he misses any food group he

will be provided with....the first time I heard that I wanted to scream and pull

out my hair.Call me when this kid will show s/s of anorexia/bulimia in his

teens. ppl are too concentrated on the wrong things.and this father always

wanted to get my approval for what is served for the holiday dinner. Of course I

refused, and told him - we are here to enjoy our holiday dinner not to ruin it

with diet review. " YOur mother in law cooked - I eat " . That's all there is to

it.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: dignacassens@...

Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:18:25 -0700

Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

I'M SOOOO TIRED OF CARBS!! I travelled with our COO today. We've known

each

other for >30 years but she still says I intimidate her - I don't think it's

me, I think it's bc I'm an RD. She's fought her weight all her life and

finally since last year I've seen it come down and noticed a body shape

change. There are several versions of the reasons, from hers that she

adopted a healthier lifestyle, to those that don't like her that she had

bariatric surgery. I really don't care why, do really mind that I'm told

about every little bite she eats or doesn't.

So today we ride together to the airport for a one afternoon trip to attend

a facility open house in the north. She wasnts to buy somethng to eat (I

took my half tuna w me and had eaten the chix-noodle soup at the office) so

I sat and ate while she looked for her something. She came back w a box of

Starbucks oameal w packs of nuts and raisins, a coffee w whatever (I didn't

ask how she drinks it) and 2 forks and spoons. She wanted to share w me and

I didn't mind bc I nibble constantly while awake. So we start to share the

oatmeal in the plane - surprisingly good actually - but first she has to

explain how this is the most carbs she's had all year and how now she's

being more lenient with herself yaddy-yaddy.... I just dipped into the

oatmeal until once again full and said nothing. But then she couldn't eat

the fruit that I opeoned up bc she'd had too much carb already. So in the

car driving the the facility we were visiting I helped myself to a few

pieces of fruit and put the rest back for her which she ate later, but in

deference to her non-RD driver she didn't talk about carbs again.

She also showed me a few photos of her grand-daughter who is about 2 and she

pointed out repeatedly how " she has my fat genes and I can see them

already " . Again, I said nothing but that what a cutie, how happy she looks,

she'll be as tall as her parents, and how healthy she looks. Then I showed

her a pic of my 3-1/2 almost 4 y.o g/son and she saw the pacifier in his

mouth - he was taking a nap after a napless day in his Montesori day care -

and commented sternly how they just took the pacifier away from her

g/daughter last month bc she's already 18 months. Well, in my opinion, what

the hell are " fat genes " ? some babies are chunky and some are lean, and a

pacifier helps tremendously to avoid oral depravation, so if a 20 y.o. wants

use one to go to sleep, what's the big deal? I sucked my thumb until I was

12 and I have no eating problems, and no weight problems.

I just keep my mouth shut when it turns to this. But I do get irritated.

Salt in the American Diet

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me.

>>> I

>

>>

>

>>> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the

>

>>

>

>> American

>

>>

>

>>> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are

>

>>

>

>> saying

>

>>

>

>>> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

>

>>

>

>>> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark

>>> ages,

>

>>

>

>>> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

>

>>

>

>>> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free

>

>>

>

>> foods

>

>>

>

>>> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

>

>>

>

>>> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all

>

>>

>

>> salt

>

>>

>

>>> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a

>

>>

>

>> realistic

>

>>

>

>>> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no

>

>>> change

>

>>

>

>>> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I

>

>>

>

>> believe

>

>>

>

>>> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math,

>

>>> is

>

>>

>

>> a

>

>>

>

>>> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree

>

>>> to

>

>>

>

>>> recognize that this is significant.

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one

>

>>> killer

>

>>

>

>>> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are

>

>>

>

>> going

>

>>

>

>>> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to

>

>>

>

>> be

>

>>

>

>>> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

>

>>

>

>>> number one spot?

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

>

>>

>

>>> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar

>>> and

>

>>

>

>>> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just

>

>>> seems

>

>>

>

>>> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and

>>> just

>

>>

>

>>> plain stupid.

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> Mavis , RDLD

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> ------------------------------------

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: dignacassens@...

Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:30:00 -0700

Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

Ohh, excuse me? I'm not going to be left out. I want mine on the rocks no

salt, double Patron please.

Salt in the American Diet

>

>

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply

>

> don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American diet

> to

>

> 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying the

> current

>

> average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the recommendation " and

>

> unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages, the average intake

> was

>

> 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the recommended goal, 2000mg was

> a low

>

> sodium diet requiring all salt free foods and 1000-1500mg was considered

> an

>

> extremely restricted diet requiring control of amounts of food in all food

>

> groups to achieve, even with all salt free products like salt free bread.

> How is

>

> this considered to be a realistic goal for the American public? Articles

> are

>

> saying there has been no change in the sodium intake in the American

> public in

>

> the last 30 years. I believe that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg

> from

>

> 5-6,000, by my math, is a 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't

> take a

>

> statistics degree to recognize that this is significant.

>

>

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in

>

> the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going

> to

>

> die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be

> number

>

> one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the number one

> spot?

>

>

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to

>

> make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We

>

> are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems that the new

> sodium

>

> recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just plain stupid.

>

>

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

>

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: dignacassens@...

Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:30:00 -0700

Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

Ohh, excuse me? I'm not going to be left out. I want mine on the rocks no

salt, double Patron please.

Salt in the American Diet

>

>

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply

>

> don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American diet

> to

>

> 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying the

> current

>

> average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the recommendation " and

>

> unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages, the average intake

> was

>

> 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the recommended goal, 2000mg was

> a low

>

> sodium diet requiring all salt free foods and 1000-1500mg was considered

> an

>

> extremely restricted diet requiring control of amounts of food in all food

>

> groups to achieve, even with all salt free products like salt free bread.

> How is

>

> this considered to be a realistic goal for the American public? Articles

> are

>

> saying there has been no change in the sodium intake in the American

> public in

>

> the last 30 years. I believe that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg

> from

>

> 5-6,000, by my math, is a 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't

> take a

>

> statistics degree to recognize that this is significant.

>

>

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in

>

> the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going

> to

>

> die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be

> number

>

> one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the number one

> spot?

>

>

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to

>

> make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We

>

> are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems that the new

> sodium

>

> recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just plain stupid.

>

>

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

>

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: dignacassens@...

Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:30:00 -0700

Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

Ohh, excuse me? I'm not going to be left out. I want mine on the rocks no

salt, double Patron please.

Salt in the American Diet

>

>

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply

>

> don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American diet

> to

>

> 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying the

> current

>

> average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the recommendation " and

>

> unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages, the average intake

> was

>

> 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the recommended goal, 2000mg was

> a low

>

> sodium diet requiring all salt free foods and 1000-1500mg was considered

> an

>

> extremely restricted diet requiring control of amounts of food in all food

>

> groups to achieve, even with all salt free products like salt free bread.

> How is

>

> this considered to be a realistic goal for the American public? Articles

> are

>

> saying there has been no change in the sodium intake in the American

> public in

>

> the last 30 years. I believe that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg

> from

>

> 5-6,000, by my math, is a 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't

> take a

>

> statistics degree to recognize that this is significant.

>

>

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in

>

> the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going

> to

>

> die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be

> number

>

> one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the number one

> spot?

>

>

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to

>

> make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We

>

> are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems that the new

> sodium

>

> recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just plain stupid.

>

>

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

>

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

>

>

>