RE: Salt in the American Diet

[Guest guest]

I am in agreement with you, while I agree reductions of sodium in the

processed foods would be great, 1500 is difficult for most to achieve, at least

at this time. I realistic design would be much better.

Salt in the American Diet

Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American diet

to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying the

current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the recommendation "

and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages, the average intake

was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the recommended goal, 2000mg was a

low sodium diet requiring all salt free foods and 1000-1500mg was considered an

extremely restricted diet requiring control of amounts of food in all food

groups to achieve, even with all salt free products like salt free bread. How

is this considered to be a realistic goal for the American public? Articles are

saying there has been no change in the sodium intake in the American public in

the last 30 years. I believe that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from

5-6,000, by my math, is a 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a

statistics degree to recognize that this is significant.

The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer in

the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going to

die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be number

one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the number one spot?

I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be done to

make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and processing.

We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems that the new

sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just plain stupid.

However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

Mavis , RDLD

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I am in agreement with you, while I agree reductions of sodium in the

processed foods would be great, 1500 is difficult for most to achieve, at least

at this time. I realistic design would be much better.

Salt in the American Diet

Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American diet

to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying the

current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the recommendation "

and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages, the average intake

was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the recommended goal, 2000mg was a

low sodium diet requiring all salt free foods and 1000-1500mg was considered an

extremely restricted diet requiring control of amounts of food in all food

groups to achieve, even with all salt free products like salt free bread. How

is this considered to be a realistic goal for the American public? Articles are

saying there has been no change in the sodium intake in the American public in

the last 30 years. I believe that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from

5-6,000, by my math, is a 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a

statistics degree to recognize that this is significant.

The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer in

the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going to

die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be number

one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the number one spot?

I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be done to

make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and processing.

We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems that the new

sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just plain stupid.

However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

Mavis , RDLD

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I am in agreement with you, while I agree reductions of sodium in the

processed foods would be great, 1500 is difficult for most to achieve, at least

at this time. I realistic design would be much better.

Salt in the American Diet

Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American diet

to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying the

current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the recommendation "

and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages, the average intake

was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the recommended goal, 2000mg was a

low sodium diet requiring all salt free foods and 1000-1500mg was considered an

extremely restricted diet requiring control of amounts of food in all food

groups to achieve, even with all salt free products like salt free bread. How

is this considered to be a realistic goal for the American public? Articles are

saying there has been no change in the sodium intake in the American public in

the last 30 years. I believe that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from

5-6,000, by my math, is a 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a

statistics degree to recognize that this is significant.

The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer in

the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going to

die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be number

one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the number one spot?

I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be done to

make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and processing.

We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems that the new

sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just plain stupid.

However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

Mavis , RDLD

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

There was a recent

article<http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/170/16/1501?maxtoshow= & \

hits=10 & RESULTFORMAT= & fulltext=%93Suboptimal+Potassium+Intake+and+Potential+Impa\

ct+on+Population+Blood+Pressure%94 & searchid=1 & FIRSTINDEX=0 & resourcetype=HWCIT>ta\

lking

about adding potassium chloride to foods instead - thoughts?? Here

is the link

>

>

> I am in agreement with you, while I agree reductions of sodium in the

> processed foods would be great, 1500 is difficult for most to achieve, at

> least at this time. I realistic design would be much better.

>

>

> Salt in the American Diet

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American

> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying

> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free foods

> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all salt

> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a realistic

> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no change

> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I believe

> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math, is a

> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree to

> recognize that this is significant.

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going

> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be

> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

> number one spot?

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems

> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

> plain stupid.

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

There was a recent

article<http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/170/16/1501?maxtoshow= & \

hits=10 & RESULTFORMAT= & fulltext=%93Suboptimal+Potassium+Intake+and+Potential+Impa\

ct+on+Population+Blood+Pressure%94 & searchid=1 & FIRSTINDEX=0 & resourcetype=HWCIT>ta\

lking

about adding potassium chloride to foods instead - thoughts?? Here

is the link

>

>

> I am in agreement with you, while I agree reductions of sodium in the

> processed foods would be great, 1500 is difficult for most to achieve, at

> least at this time. I realistic design would be much better.

>

>

> Salt in the American Diet

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American

> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying

> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free foods

> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all salt

> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a realistic

> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no change

> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I believe

> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math, is a

> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree to

> recognize that this is significant.

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going

> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be

> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

> number one spot?

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems

> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

> plain stupid.

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

There was a recent

article<http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/170/16/1501?maxtoshow= & \

hits=10 & RESULTFORMAT= & fulltext=%93Suboptimal+Potassium+Intake+and+Potential+Impa\

ct+on+Population+Blood+Pressure%94 & searchid=1 & FIRSTINDEX=0 & resourcetype=HWCIT>ta\

lking

about adding potassium chloride to foods instead - thoughts?? Here

is the link

>

>

> I am in agreement with you, while I agree reductions of sodium in the

> processed foods would be great, 1500 is difficult for most to achieve, at

> least at this time. I realistic design would be much better.

>

>

> Salt in the American Diet

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American

> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying

> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free foods

> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all salt

> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a realistic

> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no change

> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I believe

> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math, is a

> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree to

> recognize that this is significant.

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going

> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be

> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

> number one spot?

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems

> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

> plain stupid.

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a comprehensive paper on salt research with over 200

references that has been written for over ten years on our site. We

are always updating it. You might want to see it - it is pretty compelling.

http://foodandhealth.com/continuinged.php

Click on the sodium course and you can read the paper for free.

Congestive heart failure,stroke, and MI ruin the quality and shorten

the lives of so many. I think I would rather be like the Okinawans

>

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American

> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying

> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free foods

> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all salt

> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a realistic

> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no change

> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I believe

> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math, is a

> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree to

> recognize that this is significant.

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going

> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be

> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

> number one spot?

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems

> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

> plain stupid.

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a comprehensive paper on salt research with over 200

references that has been written for over ten years on our site. We

are always updating it. You might want to see it - it is pretty compelling.

http://foodandhealth.com/continuinged.php

Click on the sodium course and you can read the paper for free.

Congestive heart failure,stroke, and MI ruin the quality and shorten

the lives of so many. I think I would rather be like the Okinawans

>

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American

> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying

> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free foods

> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all salt

> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a realistic

> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no change

> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I believe

> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math, is a

> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree to

> recognize that this is significant.

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going

> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be

> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

> number one spot?

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems

> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

> plain stupid.

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a comprehensive paper on salt research with over 200

references that has been written for over ten years on our site. We

are always updating it. You might want to see it - it is pretty compelling.

http://foodandhealth.com/continuinged.php

Click on the sodium course and you can read the paper for free.

Congestive heart failure,stroke, and MI ruin the quality and shorten

the lives of so many. I think I would rather be like the Okinawans

>

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American

> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying

> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free foods

> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all salt

> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a realistic

> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no change

> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I believe

> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math, is a

> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree to

> recognize that this is significant.

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going

> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be

> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

> number one spot?

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems

> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

> plain stupid.

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

I was unable to see more than the first few words of the article from JAMA

through the link.  I would be concerned about adding potassium chloride to more

foods when we have a growing rate of renal dysfunction and ESRD in this nation. 

I am also a proponent of using fewer food additives in general (take a look at

the early data on phosphorus increased intake on both general population as well

as the enormous challenges ESRD patients face.

Ellen Hansson, MEd, RD, LDN

Renal Dietitian

ISeeSpots Farm: Herbs (fresh, dried), vinegars, teas

American Buff geese, Ancona ducks,Shetland sheep,

Buckeye chickens, Chocolate turkeys, etc.)

ONLINE STORE: www.iseespots.com

>

>

> I am in agreement with you, while I agree reductions of sodium in the

> processed foods would be great, 1500 is difficult for most to achieve, at

> least at this time. I realistic design would be much better.

>

>

> Salt in the American Diet

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American

> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying

> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free foods

> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all salt

> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a realistic

> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no change

> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I believe

> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math, is a

> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree to

> recognize that this is significant.

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going

> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be

> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

> number one spot?

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems

> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

> plain stupid.

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

I was unable to see more than the first few words of the article from JAMA

through the link.  I would be concerned about adding potassium chloride to more

foods when we have a growing rate of renal dysfunction and ESRD in this nation. 

I am also a proponent of using fewer food additives in general (take a look at

the early data on phosphorus increased intake on both general population as well

as the enormous challenges ESRD patients face.

Ellen Hansson, MEd, RD, LDN

Renal Dietitian

ISeeSpots Farm: Herbs (fresh, dried), vinegars, teas

American Buff geese, Ancona ducks,Shetland sheep,

Buckeye chickens, Chocolate turkeys, etc.)

ONLINE STORE: www.iseespots.com

>

>

> I am in agreement with you, while I agree reductions of sodium in the

> processed foods would be great, 1500 is difficult for most to achieve, at

> least at this time. I realistic design would be much better.

>

>

> Salt in the American Diet

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American

> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying

> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free foods

> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all salt

> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a realistic

> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no change

> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I believe

> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math, is a

> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree to

> recognize that this is significant.

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going

> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be

> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

> number one spot?

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems

> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

> plain stupid.

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

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....

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I was unable to see more than the first few words of the article from JAMA

> through the link. I would be concerned about adding potassium chloride to

> more foods when we have a growing rate of renal dysfunction and ESRD in this

> nation. I am also a proponent of using fewer food additives in general

> (take a look at the early data on phosphorus increased intake on both

> general population as well as the enormous challenges ESRD patients face.

>

> Ellen Hansson, MEd, RD, LDN

> Renal Dietitian

> ISeeSpots Farm: Herbs (fresh, dried), vinegars, teas

> American Buff geese, Ancona ducks,Shetland sheep,

> Buckeye chickens, Chocolate turkeys, etc.)

> ONLINE STORE: www.iseespots.com

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > I am in agreement with you, while I agree reductions of sodium in the

> > processed foods would be great, 1500 is difficult for most to achieve, at

> > least at this time. I realistic design would be much better.

> >

> >

> > Salt in the American Diet

> >

> > Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> > simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the

> American

> > diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are

> saying

> > the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

> > recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

> > the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

> > recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free

> foods

> > and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

> > control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all

> salt

> > free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a

> realistic

> > goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no

> change

> > in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I

> believe

> > that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math,

> is a

> > 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree

> to

> > recognize that this is significant.

> >

> > The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one

> killer

> > in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are

> going

> > to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to

> be

> > number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

> > number one spot?

> >

> > I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> > done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> > processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just

> seems

> > that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

> > plain stupid.

> >

> > However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

> >

> > Mavis , RDLD

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I agree with you, Mavis, and have often thought of the " cause of death " riddle.

I once jokingly told an associate working next to me at a nursing home that I

hoped I could die old and healthy. He said, " Uh, that would probably involve

violence of some kind! "

I have no intention of limiting salt in my own or my family's diets. We do not

have HTN and have good bone density from all the activity we do. I am very

careful , however, to choose just the right shape of glass for my margaritas. I

like the wide mouth glasses that have plenty of room on the rim for salt! Oh,

but I do get the salt to stick with a little fresh lime juice. Doesn't that

counteract the salt? )

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

mimco_2000

Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:03 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Salt in the American Diet

Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I simply

don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American diet to

2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying the current

average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the recommendation " and

unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages, the average intake was

5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the recommended goal, 2000mg was a low

sodium diet requiring all salt free foods and 1000-1500mg was considered an

extremely restricted diet requiring control of amounts of food in all food

groups to achieve, even with all salt free products like salt free bread. How is

this considered to be a realistic goal for the American public? Articles are

saying there has been no change in the sodium intake in the American public in

the last 30 years. I believe that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from

5-6,000, by my math, is a 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a

statistics degree to recognize that this is significant.

The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer in

the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going to

die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be number

one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the number one spot?

I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be done to

make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and processing. We

are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems that the new sodium

recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just plain stupid.

However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

Mavis , RDLD

[Guest guest]

I agree with you, Mavis, and have often thought of the " cause of death " riddle.

I once jokingly told an associate working next to me at a nursing home that I

hoped I could die old and healthy. He said, " Uh, that would probably involve

violence of some kind! "

I have no intention of limiting salt in my own or my family's diets. We do not

have HTN and have good bone density from all the activity we do. I am very

careful , however, to choose just the right shape of glass for my margaritas. I

like the wide mouth glasses that have plenty of room on the rim for salt! Oh,

but I do get the salt to stick with a little fresh lime juice. Doesn't that

counteract the salt? )

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

mimco_2000

Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:03 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Salt in the American Diet

Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I simply

don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American diet to

2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying the current

average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the recommendation " and

unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages, the average intake was

5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the recommended goal, 2000mg was a low

sodium diet requiring all salt free foods and 1000-1500mg was considered an

extremely restricted diet requiring control of amounts of food in all food

groups to achieve, even with all salt free products like salt free bread. How is

this considered to be a realistic goal for the American public? Articles are

saying there has been no change in the sodium intake in the American public in

the last 30 years. I believe that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from

5-6,000, by my math, is a 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a

statistics degree to recognize that this is significant.

The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer in

the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going to

die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be number

one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the number one spot?

I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be done to

make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and processing. We

are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems that the new sodium

recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just plain stupid.

However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

Mavis , RDLD

[Guest guest]

I agree with your . The recommendations for 1500 mg sodium is probably very

unobtainable..who is behind this ridiculous recommendation? Reducing the sodium

in processed foods would go a long way in helping to keep our population

healthy.

I use very little salt at the table but certainly cook with salt. No one in my

family has HTN, heart disease, cancer, etc. We all exercise and keep active. My

98 yr old mother eats what she wants and lives independently ( with an aid to

drive her as I finally convinced her to stop driving) My father died at 92 after

a life time of eating whatever he wanted.

Tho the occasional margarita has passed my lips...vodka is my beverage of

choice.

Madalyn Friedberg RD CDN

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 11:14:24 AM

Subject: RE: Salt in the American Diet

 

I agree with you, Mavis, and have often thought of the " cause of death " riddle.

I once jokingly told an associate working next to me at a nursing home that I

hoped I could die old and healthy. He said, " Uh, that would probably involve

violence of some kind! "

I have no intention of limiting salt in my own or my family's diets. We do not

have HTN and have good bone density from all the activity we do. I am very

careful , however, to choose just the right shape of glass for my margaritas. I

like the wide mouth glasses that have plenty of room on the rim for salt! Oh,

but I do get the salt to stick with a little fresh lime juice. Doesn't that

counteract the salt? )

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

mimco_2000

Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:03 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Salt in the American Diet

Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I simply

don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American diet to

2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying the current

average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the recommendation " and

unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages, the average intake was

5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the recommended goal, 2000mg was a low

sodium diet requiring all salt free foods and 1000-1500mg was considered an

extremely restricted diet requiring control of amounts of food in all food

groups to achieve, even with all salt free products like salt free bread. How is

this considered to be a realistic goal for the American public? Articles are

saying there has been no change in the sodium intake in the American public in

the last 30 years. I believe that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from

5-6,000, by my math, is a 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a

statistics degree to recognize that this is significant.

The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer in

the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going to

die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be number

one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the number one spot?

I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be done to

make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and processing. We

are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems that the new sodium

recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just plain stupid.

However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

Mavis , RDLD

[Guest guest]

Read the technical literature and you will know why it is being reduced to

1500mg/day. It is long overdue!

[Guest guest]

Read the technical literature and you will know why it is being reduced to

1500mg/day. It is long overdue!

[Guest guest]

Absolutely and , one Margarita w/ salt here please

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: mffrd10019@...

Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:07:48 -0700

Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

I agree with your . The recommendations for 1500 mg sodium is

probably very

unobtainable..who is behind this ridiculous recommendation? Reducing the sodium

in processed foods would go a long way in helping to keep our population

healthy.

I use very little salt at the table but certainly cook with salt. No one in my

family has HTN, heart disease, cancer, etc. We all exercise and keep active. My

98 yr old mother eats what she wants and lives independently ( with an aid to

drive her as I finally convinced her to stop driving) My father died at 92 after

a life time of eating whatever he wanted.

Tho the occasional margarita has passed my lips...vodka is my beverage of

choice.

Madalyn Friedberg RD CDN

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 11:14:24 AM

Subject: RE: Salt in the American Diet

I agree with you, Mavis, and have often thought of the " cause of death " riddle.

I once jokingly told an associate working next to me at a nursing home that I

hoped I could die old and healthy. He said, " Uh, that would probably involve

violence of some kind! "

I have no intention of limiting salt in my own or my family's diets. We do not

have HTN and have good bone density from all the activity we do. I am very

careful , however, to choose just the right shape of glass for my margaritas. I

like the wide mouth glasses that have plenty of room on the rim for salt! Oh,

but I do get the salt to stick with a little fresh lime juice. Doesn't that

counteract the salt? )

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

mimco_2000

Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:03 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Salt in the American Diet

Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I simply

don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the American diet to

2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are saying the current

average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the recommendation " and

unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages, the average intake was

5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the recommended goal, 2000mg was a low

sodium diet requiring all salt free foods and 1000-1500mg was considered an

extremely restricted diet requiring control of amounts of food in all food

groups to achieve, even with all salt free products like salt free bread. How is

this considered to be a realistic goal for the American public? Articles are

saying there has been no change in the sodium intake in the American public in

the last 30 years. I believe that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from

5-6,000, by my math, is a 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a

statistics degree to recognize that this is significant.

The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer in

the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are going to

die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to be number

one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the number one spot?

I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be done to

make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and processing. We

are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems that the new sodium

recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just plain stupid.

However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

Mavis , RDLD

[Guest guest]

the problem, among many, is that there is so much info out there, the public is

confused. Today salt is the " devil " tomorrow, too little salt is bad for you

too, and potassium is the " new it " but we don't mention kidney Dz.When are we

going to stop create eating disorders and start stronger promotion for

moderation for health and happiness (as many of us out there do, but maybe not

loudly enough). We are so hooked on whats right and what's wrong, black Vs.

white, no gray, that we don't stop to think we have to enjoy our food and life

around it.I, for example, don't plan on living forever. I plan on enjoying the

" ride " . or as Carlin said it:

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. "

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: advantagediets.com@...

Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:01:28 -0700

Subject: RE: Salt in the American Diet

I do hope that food manufacturers will stay from adding potassium

chloride.

It just doesn't do it taste-wise in my opinion. I'd rather they up the

herbs and spices. And as others have said on this discussion, not everyone

needs to decrease their salt intake to such low levels. As we are given

full-fat, low-fat and non-fat versions of foods (most notably dairy), so why

not with other food offerings? Let the consumer make the choice.

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Salt in the American Diet

>

> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the

American

> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are

saying

> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free

foods

> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all

salt

> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a

realistic

> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no change

> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I

believe

> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math, is

a

> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree to

> recognize that this is significant.

>

> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one killer

> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are

going

> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to

be

> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

> number one spot?

>

> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just seems

> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

> plain stupid.

>

> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

> Mavis , RDLD

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love everyones post. Salt is necessary for life , only 10% of the population

is sodium sensative. But salt is killing everyone according to the powers that

be. If you don't have heart problems, HTN of kidney disease or any number of

other pathological disease processes that benefit from a sodium restriction,

then why are we pushing a very low sodium diet on the general population. Who

has decided that salt causes all these problems or are these problems

exacerbated by sodium intake. Let's see no sugar, no fat, no salt, what is the

next big restriction to take the fun out of eating. Believe me having eaten a

low sodium, fat free, sugar free Thanksgiving meal I agree with the general

public, are we crazy.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

[Guest guest]

Thanks.It is also with the same line of thought that carbs are the enemy.people

take 1/2 truth and combine them together in ways that makes life complicated.and

like Jackie says, only 10% of the population is sensitive to salt. and in the

era of post human-gene mapping, only time will separates us from finding the

gene for those 10% or for those who are genetically prone for HTN/kidney Dz.Salt

has been used for centuries, it used to be weighed in gold. Not for

nothing.Interestingly enough one of the MDs I work with asked me today what I

think about banning of salt from restaurants foods and I said to her " I want

Bloomberg and all Gov officials out of my plate " she laughed. I asked her, since

she is a foodie like I am, if she can imagine some of the favorite restaurants

we both spoke about before will serve salt-less foods, can you imagine? I asked,

and she laughed again.If I want to swim in salt it is my choice. As a RD I will

educate you, give you all the info you need and want and it is your choice what

you want to do with it. I don't take responsibility for what you put inside you.

As long as you are a competent adult, you should be responsible for your own

choices. I said it before and I'll say it again.I am not the food police and I

refuse to be one.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: newlife4health@...

Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:40:11 -0400

Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

Well said, Merav. The public I speak with is more confused now than ever!

Interestingly, a lot of people I talk with do not even think they are

confused--they are so misinformed and don't even realize they are confused!

At least 10-20 years ago people would always realize they were getting

confused and ask about it to try to understand and clarify. More and more I

find myself having to defend a good solid nutrition education message.

Here's one from just yesterday, a casual question to me at a church picnic--

" Is it OK to eat soy? My pharmacist said it causes cancer. "

I was dumbfounded by the question. I asked if there was any thyroid issues

and then told her that if breast cancer already exists and a woman is on

tamoxifin, then there is some evidence that has turned up that it will

exacerbate the breast cancer and/or inhibit the tamoxifin? (I admitted that

was a stretch just from memory--not clinical practice experience). I

assured her, however, that soy beans are a healthy food, with healthy fat,

and that as far as we know 25 grams soy protein/day can be an adjunct to a

cholesterol-lowering effort, and that I wouldn't hesitate to incorporate soy

FOODS into the diet (excepting for thyroid issues) in moderation.

As I write this I think it is all part of a larger problem--the epidemic of

people taking " bits and pieces " of information and passing it along. Like

linking soy with cancer. Too much information, too little paying attention

and listening. I've heard our kids have shorter attention spans because of

our technological environment. A lot of interest in nutrition, but a lot of

misinformed " nutrition experts " .

Her pharmacist told her . . . Maybe her pharmacist did mention the

soy-tamoxifin problem, and she only heard soy-cancer. Who knows.

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE)

www.newlifeforhealth.com

e-mail: newlife4health@..., newlife@...

Salt in the American Diet

>

>>

>

>> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

>

>> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the

>

> American

>

>> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are

>

> saying

>

>> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

>

>> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

>

>> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

>

>> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free

>

> foods

>

>> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

>

>> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all

>

> salt

>

>> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a

>

> realistic

>

>> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no

>> change

>

>> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I

>

> believe

>

>> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math,

>> is

>

> a

>

>> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree

>> to

>

>> recognize that this is significant.

>

>>

>

>> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one

>> killer

>

>> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are

>

> going

>

>> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to

>

> be

>

>> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

>

>> number one spot?

>

>>

>

>> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

>

>> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

>

>> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just

>> seems

>

>> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

>

>> plain stupid.

>

>>

>

>> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

>>

>

>> Mavis , RDLD

>

>>

>

>> ------------------------------------

>

>>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks.It is also with the same line of thought that carbs are the enemy.people

take 1/2 truth and combine them together in ways that makes life complicated.and

like Jackie says, only 10% of the population is sensitive to salt. and in the

era of post human-gene mapping, only time will separates us from finding the

gene for those 10% or for those who are genetically prone for HTN/kidney Dz.Salt

has been used for centuries, it used to be weighed in gold. Not for

nothing.Interestingly enough one of the MDs I work with asked me today what I

think about banning of salt from restaurants foods and I said to her " I want

Bloomberg and all Gov officials out of my plate " she laughed. I asked her, since

she is a foodie like I am, if she can imagine some of the favorite restaurants

we both spoke about before will serve salt-less foods, can you imagine? I asked,

and she laughed again.If I want to swim in salt it is my choice. As a RD I will

educate you, give you all the info you need and want and it is your choice what

you want to do with it. I don't take responsibility for what you put inside you.

As long as you are a competent adult, you should be responsible for your own

choices. I said it before and I'll say it again.I am not the food police and I

refuse to be one.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: newlife4health@...

Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:40:11 -0400

Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

Well said, Merav. The public I speak with is more confused now than ever!

Interestingly, a lot of people I talk with do not even think they are

confused--they are so misinformed and don't even realize they are confused!

At least 10-20 years ago people would always realize they were getting

confused and ask about it to try to understand and clarify. More and more I

find myself having to defend a good solid nutrition education message.

Here's one from just yesterday, a casual question to me at a church picnic--

" Is it OK to eat soy? My pharmacist said it causes cancer. "

I was dumbfounded by the question. I asked if there was any thyroid issues

and then told her that if breast cancer already exists and a woman is on

tamoxifin, then there is some evidence that has turned up that it will

exacerbate the breast cancer and/or inhibit the tamoxifin? (I admitted that

was a stretch just from memory--not clinical practice experience). I

assured her, however, that soy beans are a healthy food, with healthy fat,

and that as far as we know 25 grams soy protein/day can be an adjunct to a

cholesterol-lowering effort, and that I wouldn't hesitate to incorporate soy

FOODS into the diet (excepting for thyroid issues) in moderation.

As I write this I think it is all part of a larger problem--the epidemic of

people taking " bits and pieces " of information and passing it along. Like

linking soy with cancer. Too much information, too little paying attention

and listening. I've heard our kids have shorter attention spans because of

our technological environment. A lot of interest in nutrition, but a lot of

misinformed " nutrition experts " .

Her pharmacist told her . . . Maybe her pharmacist did mention the

soy-tamoxifin problem, and she only heard soy-cancer. Who knows.

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE)

www.newlifeforhealth.com

e-mail: newlife4health@..., newlife@...

Salt in the American Diet

>

>>

>

>> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

>

>> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the

>

> American

>

>> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are

>

> saying

>

>> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

>

>> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

>

>> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

>

>> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free

>

> foods

>

>> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

>

>> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all

>

> salt

>

>> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a

>

> realistic

>

>> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no

>> change

>

>> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I

>

> believe

>

>> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math,

>> is

>

> a

>

>> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree

>> to

>

>> recognize that this is significant.

>

>>

>

>> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one

>> killer

>

>> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are

>

> going

>

>> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to

>

> be

>

>> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

>

>> number one spot?

>

>>

>

>> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

>

>> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

>

>> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just

>> seems

>

>> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

>

>> plain stupid.

>

>>

>

>> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

>>

>

>> Mavis , RDLD

>

>>

>

>> ------------------------------------

>

>>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks.It is also with the same line of thought that carbs are the enemy.people

take 1/2 truth and combine them together in ways that makes life complicated.and

like Jackie says, only 10% of the population is sensitive to salt. and in the

era of post human-gene mapping, only time will separates us from finding the

gene for those 10% or for those who are genetically prone for HTN/kidney Dz.Salt

has been used for centuries, it used to be weighed in gold. Not for

nothing.Interestingly enough one of the MDs I work with asked me today what I

think about banning of salt from restaurants foods and I said to her " I want

Bloomberg and all Gov officials out of my plate " she laughed. I asked her, since

she is a foodie like I am, if she can imagine some of the favorite restaurants

we both spoke about before will serve salt-less foods, can you imagine? I asked,

and she laughed again.If I want to swim in salt it is my choice. As a RD I will

educate you, give you all the info you need and want and it is your choice what

you want to do with it. I don't take responsibility for what you put inside you.

As long as you are a competent adult, you should be responsible for your own

choices. I said it before and I'll say it again.I am not the food police and I

refuse to be one.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: newlife4health@...

Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:40:11 -0400

Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

Well said, Merav. The public I speak with is more confused now than ever!

Interestingly, a lot of people I talk with do not even think they are

confused--they are so misinformed and don't even realize they are confused!

At least 10-20 years ago people would always realize they were getting

confused and ask about it to try to understand and clarify. More and more I

find myself having to defend a good solid nutrition education message.

Here's one from just yesterday, a casual question to me at a church picnic--

" Is it OK to eat soy? My pharmacist said it causes cancer. "

I was dumbfounded by the question. I asked if there was any thyroid issues

and then told her that if breast cancer already exists and a woman is on

tamoxifin, then there is some evidence that has turned up that it will

exacerbate the breast cancer and/or inhibit the tamoxifin? (I admitted that

was a stretch just from memory--not clinical practice experience). I

assured her, however, that soy beans are a healthy food, with healthy fat,

and that as far as we know 25 grams soy protein/day can be an adjunct to a

cholesterol-lowering effort, and that I wouldn't hesitate to incorporate soy

FOODS into the diet (excepting for thyroid issues) in moderation.

As I write this I think it is all part of a larger problem--the epidemic of

people taking " bits and pieces " of information and passing it along. Like

linking soy with cancer. Too much information, too little paying attention

and listening. I've heard our kids have shorter attention spans because of

our technological environment. A lot of interest in nutrition, but a lot of

misinformed " nutrition experts " .

Her pharmacist told her . . . Maybe her pharmacist did mention the

soy-tamoxifin problem, and she only heard soy-cancer. Who knows.

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE)

www.newlifeforhealth.com

e-mail: newlife4health@..., newlife@...

Salt in the American Diet

>

>>

>

>> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me. I

>

>> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the

>

> American

>

>> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are

>

> saying

>

>> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

>

>> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark ages,

>

>> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

>

>> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free

>

> foods

>

>> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

>

>> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all

>

> salt

>

>> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a

>

> realistic

>

>> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no

>> change

>

>> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I

>

> believe

>

>> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math,

>> is

>

> a

>

>> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree

>> to

>

>> recognize that this is significant.

>

>>

>

>> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one

>> killer

>

>> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are

>

> going

>

>> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to

>

> be

>

>> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

>

>> number one spot?

>

>>

>

>> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

>

>> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar and

>

>> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just

>> seems

>

>> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and just

>

>> plain stupid.

>

>>

>

>> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

>>

>

>> Mavis , RDLD

>

>>

>

>> ------------------------------------

>

>>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Love it coming from one of those salt sensitive people. Years ago I was a known

salt waster now I retain salt. Hence me almost needing maternity clothes when I

go out to conferences. I found that potassium relieves some of the retention so

I have learned to like V-8, bananas make me sick. I did renal for over ten years

so I picked the most acceptable source I could find. I really think all this

comes with my gray hair and kids. Got to blame the kids. People have no idea

what a 1500mg sodium diet really consists of. Love that salt free bread. One of

the things you don't hear about is the salt content of the water in your area.

If you soften your water forget getting lower then 2000mg. Bottled water who

knows. But all we have to do is take the salt out of our food. Reminds me of

the fairy tale about a princess who loved her father like meat loves salt. He

didn't understand until he had to eat a salt free meal. I really wonder if all

these nutrition gurus really follow what they preach or are they closet junk

food junkies. Pick your parents well.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

>

> Thanks.It is also with the same line of thought that carbs are the

enemy.people take 1/2 truth and combine them together in ways that makes life

complicated.and like Jackie says, only 10% of the population is sensitive to

salt. and in the era of post human-gene mapping, only time will separates us

from finding the gene for those 10% or for those who are genetically prone for

HTN/kidney Dz.Salt has been used for centuries, it used to be weighed in gold.

Not for nothing.Interestingly enough one of the MDs I work with asked me today

what I think about banning of salt from restaurants foods and I said to her " I

want Bloomberg and all Gov officials out of my plate " she laughed. I asked her,

since she is a foodie like I am, if she can imagine some of the favorite

restaurants we both spoke about before will serve salt-less foods, can you

imagine? I asked, and she laughed again.If I want to swim in salt it is my

choice. As a RD I will educate you, give you all the info you need and want and

it is your choice what you want to do with it. I don't take responsibility for

what you put inside you. As long as you are a competent adult, you should be

responsible for your own choices. I said it before and I'll say it again.I am

not the food police and I refuse to be one.

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: newlife4health@...

> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:40:11 -0400

> Subject: Re: Salt in the American Diet

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'M SOOOO TIRED OF CARBS!! I travelled with our COO today. We've known each

other for >30 years but she still says I intimidate her - I don't think it's

me, I think it's bc I'm an RD. She's fought her weight all her life and

finally since last year I've seen it come down and noticed a body shape

change. There are several versions of the reasons, from hers that she

adopted a healthier lifestyle, to those that don't like her that she had

bariatric surgery. I really don't care why, do really mind that I'm told

about every little bite she eats or doesn't.

So today we ride together to the airport for a one afternoon trip to attend

a facility open house in the north. She wasnts to buy somethng to eat (I

took my half tuna w me and had eaten the chix-noodle soup at the office) so

I sat and ate while she looked for her something. She came back w a box of

Starbucks oameal w packs of nuts and raisins, a coffee w whatever (I didn't

ask how she drinks it) and 2 forks and spoons. She wanted to share w me and

I didn't mind bc I nibble constantly while awake. So we start to share the

oatmeal in the plane - surprisingly good actually - but first she has to

explain how this is the most carbs she's had all year and how now she's

being more lenient with herself yaddy-yaddy.... I just dipped into the

oatmeal until once again full and said nothing. But then she couldn't eat

the fruit that I opeoned up bc she'd had too much carb already. So in the

car driving the the facility we were visiting I helped myself to a few

pieces of fruit and put the rest back for her which she ate later, but in

deference to her non-RD driver she didn't talk about carbs again.

She also showed me a few photos of her grand-daughter who is about 2 and she

pointed out repeatedly how " she has my fat genes and I can see them

already " . Again, I said nothing but that what a cutie, how happy she looks,

she'll be as tall as her parents, and how healthy she looks. Then I showed

her a pic of my 3-1/2 almost 4 y.o g/son and she saw the pacifier in his

mouth - he was taking a nap after a napless day in his Montesori day care -

and commented sternly how they just took the pacifier away from her

g/daughter last month bc she's already 18 months. Well, in my opinion, what

the hell are " fat genes " ? some babies are chunky and some are lean, and a

pacifier helps tremendously to avoid oral depravation, so if a 20 y.o. wants

use one to go to sleep, what's the big deal? I sucked my thumb until I was

12 and I have no eating problems, and no weight problems.

I just keep my mouth shut when it turns to this. But I do get irritated.

Salt in the American Diet

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> Please forgive me for my soap box. Perhaps one of you can enlighten me.

>>> I

>

>>

>

>>> simply don't get the new recommendations for reduced sodium in the

>

>>

>

>> American

>

>>

>

>>> diet to 2000 mg for up to age 40 and 1500 mg after 40 yo. Studies are

>

>>

>

>> saying

>

>>

>

>>> the current average intake is 3400 mg and that this is " twice the

>

>>

>

>>> recommendation " and unacceptable. When I was in school, in the dark

>>> ages,

>

>>

>

>>> the average intake was 5000-6000 mg, 3000-4000 (a NAS diet) was the

>

>>

>

>>> recommended goal, 2000mg was a low sodium diet requiring all salt free

>

>>

>

>> foods

>

>>

>

>>> and 1000-1500mg was considered an extremely restricted diet requiring

>

>>

>

>>> control of amounts of food in all food groups to achieve, even with all

>

>>

>

>> salt

>

>>

>

>>> free products like salt free bread. How is this considered to be a

>

>>

>

>> realistic

>

>>

>

>>> goal for the American public? Articles are saying there has been no

>

>>> change

>

>>

>

>>> in the sodium intake in the American public in the last 30 years. I

>

>>

>

>> believe

>

>>

>

>>> that decreasing the average intake to 3400 mg from 5-6,000, by my math,

>

>>> is

>

>>

>

>> a

>

>>

>

>>> 32-43% reduction in average intake. It doesn't take a statistics degree

>

>>> to

>

>>

>

>>> recognize that this is significant.

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> The further arguement is that heart disease is still the number one

>

>>> killer

>

>>

>

>>> in the US. Excuse me for stating a few unpopular facts. 1.) We all are

>

>>

>

>> going

>

>>

>

>>> to die. 2.)We all basically die when our heart stops 3.)Something has to

>

>>

>

>> be

>

>>

>

>>> number one, what is the recommendation to replace heart disease in the

>

>>

>

>>> number one spot?

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> I don't mean to be dense. I certainly agree that much can and should be

>

>>

>

>>> done to make our food supply healthier by reducing sodium, fat, sugar

>>> and

>

>>

>

>>> processing. We are an obese, overfed, undernourished nation. It just

>

>>> seems

>

>>

>

>>> that the new sodium recommendations are unrealistic, impractical and

>>> just

>

>>

>

>>> plain stupid.

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> However, I am ready to be enlightened. What do you all say?

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> Mavis , RDLD

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>> ------------------------------------

>

>>

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>>>