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Nice. Makes me feel really hopeful about marriage.

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kikibaby6-@... wrote:

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> hey everybody,

>

> i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last week. i

made

> it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery channel

> stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel or

> something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it! There

> was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon that

> when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone numbers

> of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to 8's

> and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little, well,

> lonely but I lived. Thanks.

>

> -kiki

>

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Hi Kiki. Glad your'e feeling ok. It sounds like we are in the same boat

right now. I've been going through a terrible lonliness lately. I've been

doing stuff like staring at a wall for hours,just thinking. Everyday is

painful. But I've really tried to get around people. Any people.

For me AA makes me feel even more lonely. So I try to go around

family, co-workers, old friends I lost touch with, anybody. Cause I feel a

little bit better around others. Less anxious and all. Its hard for me

because I live alone and I work in a basement by myself. I think my daily

pain comes from having to get through another night alone and another day

alone. Trying to keep occupied so I don't lose my mind.

I used to think I enjoyed my isolation. The truth is quiet different.

I think that I'm supposed to isolate because I'm a bad person or unwanted.

Lately, with meds and therapy I'm trying to break out of that. The

hardest thing is knowing who to go around. I've been experimenting a lot

with differnent people and situations. Trying to figure out what I like to

do.

Its hard as hell. I feel like I'm trying to bring myself back from

the dead. I spent 15 years withdrawing. I doubt I'm gonna turn my life

around overnight. But I'm definitely excited at the prospect. Take care

Kiki. Matt

>From: kikibaby67@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeeGroups

>Subject: survived

>Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:50:14 -0700

>

>hey everybody,

>

> i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last week. i made

>it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery channel

>stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel or

>something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it! There

>was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon that

>when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone numbers

>of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to 8's

>and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little, well,

>lonely but I lived. Thanks.

>

> -kiki

>

>

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>

>

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>

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Hi Kiki. Glad your'e feeling ok. It sounds like we are in the same boat

right now. I've been going through a terrible lonliness lately. I've been

doing stuff like staring at a wall for hours,just thinking. Everyday is

painful. But I've really tried to get around people. Any people.

For me AA makes me feel even more lonely. So I try to go around

family, co-workers, old friends I lost touch with, anybody. Cause I feel a

little bit better around others. Less anxious and all. Its hard for me

because I live alone and I work in a basement by myself. I think my daily

pain comes from having to get through another night alone and another day

alone. Trying to keep occupied so I don't lose my mind.

I used to think I enjoyed my isolation. The truth is quiet different.

I think that I'm supposed to isolate because I'm a bad person or unwanted.

Lately, with meds and therapy I'm trying to break out of that. The

hardest thing is knowing who to go around. I've been experimenting a lot

with differnent people and situations. Trying to figure out what I like to

do.

Its hard as hell. I feel like I'm trying to bring myself back from

the dead. I spent 15 years withdrawing. I doubt I'm gonna turn my life

around overnight. But I'm definitely excited at the prospect. Take care

Kiki. Matt

>From: kikibaby67@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeeGroups

>Subject: survived

>Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:50:14 -0700

>

>hey everybody,

>

> i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last week. i made

>it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery channel

>stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel or

>something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it! There

>was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon that

>when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone numbers

>of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to 8's

>and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little, well,

>lonely but I lived. Thanks.

>

> -kiki

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Looking for the latest consumer electronic gadgets or computer

>equipment? eBay has thousands of audio equipment, computer

>games & accessories. You never know what you might find at eBay!

>http://clickhere./click/1142

>

>

>eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free

> - Simplifying group communications

>

>

>

>

>

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hey matt,

thanks for letting me know i'm not alone. that helps alot. the other

day i started stressing about not having a special somebody. man, does

that hurt when i think of the time i've wasting being scared of people

then being a weirdo aa'er. but, it's okay though cause that's just what

i had to do. it's not like we stood still. we were doing stuff. dude, i

don't think being by yourself all day is too good. i know you gotta

make ends meet though. i know i start talking to myelf alot more than

usual when i'm alone like that. somebody wrote on here though that's

he'd rather be alone and lonely than in AA. I was like wow. really? Is

AA that bad? I guess it is. Got some good points. I've had some laughs.

it was definitely a crash course in being in a crowd sober. The

wednesday night meeting in my group was like being in a huge cocktail

party with out the cocktails. strange, huh? but now we're kinda scared

to be out with out the proctective sheild of AA. On the bright side I'm

starting to get out of the gray cloud i was in. I wa sick so that

didn't help. I feeling better and of

course I'm (just in the back of my head) thinking about having a drink

again. Only a couple of weeks ago i thought i would end up in an insane

asylum if i drank again. (I went out and had some beers) I know it was

alot of AA shit but it still scared me. I gonna hold off on the drinks

just yet. maybe this weekend i might have a couple but i doubt it. the

AA voice scares me. anyways, gotta go but thanks for the

idnetification. -kiki

" md matt " wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8753

> Hi Kiki. Glad your'e feeling ok. It sounds like we are in the same

boat

> right now. I've been going through a terrible lonliness lately. I've

been

> doing stuff like staring at a wall for hours,just thinking. Everyday

is

> painful. But I've really tried to get around people. Any people.

> For me AA makes me feel even more lonely. So I try to go

around

> family, co-workers, old friends I lost touch with, anybody. Cause I

feel a

> little bit better around others. Less anxious and all. Its hard for

me

> because I live alone and I work in a basement by myself. I think my

daily

> pain comes from having to get through another night alone and another

day

> alone. Trying to keep occupied so I don't lose my mind.

> I used to think I enjoyed my isolation. The truth is quiet

different.

> I think that I'm supposed to isolate because I'm a bad person or

unwanted.

> Lately, with meds and therapy I'm trying to break out of that. The

> hardest thing is knowing who to go around. I've been experimenting a

lot

> with differnent people and situations. Trying to figure out what I

like to

> do.

> Its hard as hell. I feel like I'm trying to bring myself back

from

> the dead. I spent 15 years withdrawing. I doubt I'm gonna turn my

life

> around overnight. But I'm definitely excited at the prospect. Take

care

> Kiki. Matt

>

>

> >From: kikibaby67@...

> >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >To: 12-step-freeeGroups

> >Subject: survived

> >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:50:14 -0700

> >

> >hey everybody,

> >

> > i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last week. i

made

> >it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery channel

> >stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel or

> >something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it!

There

> >was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon that

> >when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone

numbers

> >of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to 8's

> >and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little, well,

> >lonely but I lived. Thanks.

> >

> > -kiki

> >

> >

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hey matt,

thanks for letting me know i'm not alone. that helps alot. the other

day i started stressing about not having a special somebody. man, does

that hurt when i think of the time i've wasting being scared of people

then being a weirdo aa'er. but, it's okay though cause that's just what

i had to do. it's not like we stood still. we were doing stuff. dude, i

don't think being by yourself all day is too good. i know you gotta

make ends meet though. i know i start talking to myelf alot more than

usual when i'm alone like that. somebody wrote on here though that's

he'd rather be alone and lonely than in AA. I was like wow. really? Is

AA that bad? I guess it is. Got some good points. I've had some laughs.

it was definitely a crash course in being in a crowd sober. The

wednesday night meeting in my group was like being in a huge cocktail

party with out the cocktails. strange, huh? but now we're kinda scared

to be out with out the proctective sheild of AA. On the bright side I'm

starting to get out of the gray cloud i was in. I wa sick so that

didn't help. I feeling better and of

course I'm (just in the back of my head) thinking about having a drink

again. Only a couple of weeks ago i thought i would end up in an insane

asylum if i drank again. (I went out and had some beers) I know it was

alot of AA shit but it still scared me. I gonna hold off on the drinks

just yet. maybe this weekend i might have a couple but i doubt it. the

AA voice scares me. anyways, gotta go but thanks for the

idnetification. -kiki

" md matt " wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8753

> Hi Kiki. Glad your'e feeling ok. It sounds like we are in the same

boat

> right now. I've been going through a terrible lonliness lately. I've

been

> doing stuff like staring at a wall for hours,just thinking. Everyday

is

> painful. But I've really tried to get around people. Any people.

> For me AA makes me feel even more lonely. So I try to go

around

> family, co-workers, old friends I lost touch with, anybody. Cause I

feel a

> little bit better around others. Less anxious and all. Its hard for

me

> because I live alone and I work in a basement by myself. I think my

daily

> pain comes from having to get through another night alone and another

day

> alone. Trying to keep occupied so I don't lose my mind.

> I used to think I enjoyed my isolation. The truth is quiet

different.

> I think that I'm supposed to isolate because I'm a bad person or

unwanted.

> Lately, with meds and therapy I'm trying to break out of that. The

> hardest thing is knowing who to go around. I've been experimenting a

lot

> with differnent people and situations. Trying to figure out what I

like to

> do.

> Its hard as hell. I feel like I'm trying to bring myself back

from

> the dead. I spent 15 years withdrawing. I doubt I'm gonna turn my

life

> around overnight. But I'm definitely excited at the prospect. Take

care

> Kiki. Matt

>

>

> >From: kikibaby67@...

> >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >To: 12-step-freeeGroups

> >Subject: survived

> >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:50:14 -0700

> >

> >hey everybody,

> >

> > i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last week. i

made

> >it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery channel

> >stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel or

> >something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it!

There

> >was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon that

> >when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone

numbers

> >of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to 8's

> >and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little, well,

> >lonely but I lived. Thanks.

> >

> > -kiki

> >

> >

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Its hard for me

> because I live alone and I work in a basement by myself. I think my

daily

> pain comes from having to get through another night alone and another

day

> alone. Trying to keep occupied so I don't lose my mind.

Ugh! Matt! Even I, the Queen of Introverts, would wither in such a

situation! Just curious--what kind of work do you do? Is there

something related, that brings you into more human contact, you could

do for a living? Even within the same company, perhaps?

This is awful; you shouldn't have to live like this--you don't. No

wonder you're so lonely! But now the desire to go back to AA meetings

for company makes sense--almost can't say I blame you..

> I used to think I enjoyed my isolation. The truth is quiet

different.

> I think that I'm supposed to isolate because I'm a bad person or

unwanted.

Isolation is enjoyable when you are the one choosing the terms.

Accepting it as " your fate " or because you are somehow " unworthy "

of the attention and affection of others is a different story

altogether.

> Lately, with meds and therapy I'm trying to break out of that. The

> hardest thing is knowing who to go around. I've been experimenting a

lot

> with differnent people and situations. Trying to figure out what I

like to

> do.

> Its hard as hell. I feel like I'm trying to bring myself back

from

> the dead. I spent 15 years withdrawing. I doubt I'm gonna turn my

life

> around overnight. But I'm definitely excited at the prospect. Take

care

> Kiki. Matt

Nope, overnight won't do it, but keep experimenting, and keep being

excited at the possibilities--it will work. But maybe getting out of

that solitary work situation would help enormously...

Take care,

.

>

>

> >From: kikibaby67@...

> >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >To: 12-step-freeeGroups

> >Subject: survived

> >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:50:14 -0700

> >

> >hey everybody,

> >

> > i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last week. i

made

> >it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery channel

> >stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel or

> >something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it!

There

> >was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon that

> >when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone

numbers

> >of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to 8's

> >and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little, well,

> >lonely but I lived. Thanks.

> >

> > -kiki

> >

> >

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<snippage>

Its hard for me

> because I live alone and I work in a basement by myself. I think my

daily

> pain comes from having to get through another night alone and another

day

> alone. Trying to keep occupied so I don't lose my mind.

Ugh! Matt! Even I, the Queen of Introverts, would wither in such a

situation! Just curious--what kind of work do you do? Is there

something related, that brings you into more human contact, you could

do for a living? Even within the same company, perhaps?

This is awful; you shouldn't have to live like this--you don't. No

wonder you're so lonely! But now the desire to go back to AA meetings

for company makes sense--almost can't say I blame you..

> I used to think I enjoyed my isolation. The truth is quiet

different.

> I think that I'm supposed to isolate because I'm a bad person or

unwanted.

Isolation is enjoyable when you are the one choosing the terms.

Accepting it as " your fate " or because you are somehow " unworthy "

of the attention and affection of others is a different story

altogether.

> Lately, with meds and therapy I'm trying to break out of that. The

> hardest thing is knowing who to go around. I've been experimenting a

lot

> with differnent people and situations. Trying to figure out what I

like to

> do.

> Its hard as hell. I feel like I'm trying to bring myself back

from

> the dead. I spent 15 years withdrawing. I doubt I'm gonna turn my

life

> around overnight. But I'm definitely excited at the prospect. Take

care

> Kiki. Matt

Nope, overnight won't do it, but keep experimenting, and keep being

excited at the possibilities--it will work. But maybe getting out of

that solitary work situation would help enormously...

Take care,

.

>

>

> >From: kikibaby67@...

> >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >To: 12-step-freeeGroups

> >Subject: survived

> >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:50:14 -0700

> >

> >hey everybody,

> >

> > i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last week. i

made

> >it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery channel

> >stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel or

> >something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it!

There

> >was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon that

> >when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone

numbers

> >of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to 8's

> >and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little, well,

> >lonely but I lived. Thanks.

> >

> > -kiki

> >

> >

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, thank you for your response. I work as a program assistant. Just a

lot of time on the computer. Yeah, I'm definitely in the market for a new

job. I did a customer service job before and hated it. But it did keep me

out of my own head 8 hours a day. Now, I'm at the opposite extreme: I have

no one around.

I'm tring to find a happy medium. To work in an office envir. with

others but not a customer svc job. Find something where I can communicate

and feel part of a team.

Its amazing what these kind of jobs do to people. My self image has

gone way down in the last three months. I'm tired all the time, depressed,

have no energy. My physical appearance has gone down. I don't smile much

or laugh. And I'm hating myself big time. No wonder AA's looking pretty

good right now!!!

But I know this isn't good. And I've got friends who keep reminding

me I need to get out of this job ASAP. For my own good.

Live & Learn.....Matt

>From: babystrange@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeeGroups

>Subject: Re: survived

>Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:46:34 -0700

>

><snippage>

>Its hard for me

> > because I live alone and I work in a basement by myself. I think my

>daily

> > pain comes from having to get through another night alone and another

>day

> > alone. Trying to keep occupied so I don't lose my mind.

>

>Ugh! Matt! Even I, the Queen of Introverts, would wither in such a

>situation! Just curious--what kind of work do you do? Is there

>something related, that brings you into more human contact, you could

>do for a living? Even within the same company, perhaps?

>

>This is awful; you shouldn't have to live like this--you don't. No

>wonder you're so lonely! But now the desire to go back to AA meetings

>for company makes sense--almost can't say I blame you..

>

>

> > I used to think I enjoyed my isolation. The truth is quiet

>different.

> > I think that I'm supposed to isolate because I'm a bad person or

>unwanted.

>

>Isolation is enjoyable when you are the one choosing the terms.

>Accepting it as " your fate " or because you are somehow " unworthy "

>of the attention and affection of others is a different story

>altogether.

>

> > Lately, with meds and therapy I'm trying to break out of that. The

> > hardest thing is knowing who to go around. I've been experimenting a

>lot

> > with differnent people and situations. Trying to figure out what I

>like to

> > do.

> > Its hard as hell. I feel like I'm trying to bring myself back

>from

> > the dead. I spent 15 years withdrawing. I doubt I'm gonna turn my

>life

> > around overnight. But I'm definitely excited at the prospect. Take

>care

> > Kiki. Matt

>

>Nope, overnight won't do it, but keep experimenting, and keep being

>excited at the possibilities--it will work. But maybe getting out of

>that solitary work situation would help enormously...

>

>Take care,

>.

>

> >

> >

> > >From: kikibaby67@...

> > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> > >To: 12-step-freeeGroups

> > >Subject: survived

> > >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:50:14 -0700

> > >

> > >hey everybody,

> > >

> > > i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last week. i

>made

> > >it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery channel

> > >stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel or

> > >something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it!

>There

> > >was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon that

> > >when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone

>numbers

> > >of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to 8's

> > >and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little, well,

> > >lonely but I lived. Thanks.

> > >

> > > -kiki

> > >

> > >

>

>

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>Looking for the latest consumer electronic gadgets or computer

>equipment? eBay has thousands of audio equipment, computer

>games & accessories. You never know what you might find at eBay!

>http://clickhere./click/1142

>

>

>eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free

> - Simplifying group communications

>

>

>

>

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, thank you for your response. I work as a program assistant. Just a

lot of time on the computer. Yeah, I'm definitely in the market for a new

job. I did a customer service job before and hated it. But it did keep me

out of my own head 8 hours a day. Now, I'm at the opposite extreme: I have

no one around.

I'm tring to find a happy medium. To work in an office envir. with

others but not a customer svc job. Find something where I can communicate

and feel part of a team.

Its amazing what these kind of jobs do to people. My self image has

gone way down in the last three months. I'm tired all the time, depressed,

have no energy. My physical appearance has gone down. I don't smile much

or laugh. And I'm hating myself big time. No wonder AA's looking pretty

good right now!!!

But I know this isn't good. And I've got friends who keep reminding

me I need to get out of this job ASAP. For my own good.

Live & Learn.....Matt

>From: babystrange@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeeGroups

>Subject: Re: survived

>Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:46:34 -0700

>

><snippage>

>Its hard for me

> > because I live alone and I work in a basement by myself. I think my

>daily

> > pain comes from having to get through another night alone and another

>day

> > alone. Trying to keep occupied so I don't lose my mind.

>

>Ugh! Matt! Even I, the Queen of Introverts, would wither in such a

>situation! Just curious--what kind of work do you do? Is there

>something related, that brings you into more human contact, you could

>do for a living? Even within the same company, perhaps?

>

>This is awful; you shouldn't have to live like this--you don't. No

>wonder you're so lonely! But now the desire to go back to AA meetings

>for company makes sense--almost can't say I blame you..

>

>

> > I used to think I enjoyed my isolation. The truth is quiet

>different.

> > I think that I'm supposed to isolate because I'm a bad person or

>unwanted.

>

>Isolation is enjoyable when you are the one choosing the terms.

>Accepting it as " your fate " or because you are somehow " unworthy "

>of the attention and affection of others is a different story

>altogether.

>

> > Lately, with meds and therapy I'm trying to break out of that. The

> > hardest thing is knowing who to go around. I've been experimenting a

>lot

> > with differnent people and situations. Trying to figure out what I

>like to

> > do.

> > Its hard as hell. I feel like I'm trying to bring myself back

>from

> > the dead. I spent 15 years withdrawing. I doubt I'm gonna turn my

>life

> > around overnight. But I'm definitely excited at the prospect. Take

>care

> > Kiki. Matt

>

>Nope, overnight won't do it, but keep experimenting, and keep being

>excited at the possibilities--it will work. But maybe getting out of

>that solitary work situation would help enormously...

>

>Take care,

>.

>

> >

> >

> > >From: kikibaby67@...

> > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> > >To: 12-step-freeeGroups

> > >Subject: survived

> > >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:50:14 -0700

> > >

> > >hey everybody,

> > >

> > > i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last week. i

>made

> > >it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery channel

> > >stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel or

> > >something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it!

>There

> > >was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon that

> > >when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone

>numbers

> > >of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to 8's

> > >and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little, well,

> > >lonely but I lived. Thanks.

> > >

> > > -kiki

> > >

> > >

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Looking for the latest consumer electronic gadgets or computer

>equipment? eBay has thousands of audio equipment, computer

>games & accessories. You never know what you might find at eBay!

>http://clickhere./click/1142

>

>

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> - Simplifying group communications

>

>

>

>

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, thank you for your response. I work as a program assistant. Just a

lot of time on the computer. Yeah, I'm definitely in the market for a new

job. I did a customer service job before and hated it. But it did keep me

out of my own head 8 hours a day. Now, I'm at the opposite extreme: I have

no one around.

I'm tring to find a happy medium. To work in an office envir. with

others but not a customer svc job. Find something where I can communicate

and feel part of a team.

Its amazing what these kind of jobs do to people. My self image has

gone way down in the last three months. I'm tired all the time, depressed,

have no energy. My physical appearance has gone down. I don't smile much

or laugh. And I'm hating myself big time. No wonder AA's looking pretty

good right now!!!

But I know this isn't good. And I've got friends who keep reminding

me I need to get out of this job ASAP. For my own good.

Live & Learn.....Matt

>From: babystrange@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeeGroups

>Subject: Re: survived

>Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:46:34 -0700

>

><snippage>

>Its hard for me

> > because I live alone and I work in a basement by myself. I think my

>daily

> > pain comes from having to get through another night alone and another

>day

> > alone. Trying to keep occupied so I don't lose my mind.

>

>Ugh! Matt! Even I, the Queen of Introverts, would wither in such a

>situation! Just curious--what kind of work do you do? Is there

>something related, that brings you into more human contact, you could

>do for a living? Even within the same company, perhaps?

>

>This is awful; you shouldn't have to live like this--you don't. No

>wonder you're so lonely! But now the desire to go back to AA meetings

>for company makes sense--almost can't say I blame you..

>

>

> > I used to think I enjoyed my isolation. The truth is quiet

>different.

> > I think that I'm supposed to isolate because I'm a bad person or

>unwanted.

>

>Isolation is enjoyable when you are the one choosing the terms.

>Accepting it as " your fate " or because you are somehow " unworthy "

>of the attention and affection of others is a different story

>altogether.

>

> > Lately, with meds and therapy I'm trying to break out of that. The

> > hardest thing is knowing who to go around. I've been experimenting a

>lot

> > with differnent people and situations. Trying to figure out what I

>like to

> > do.

> > Its hard as hell. I feel like I'm trying to bring myself back

>from

> > the dead. I spent 15 years withdrawing. I doubt I'm gonna turn my

>life

> > around overnight. But I'm definitely excited at the prospect. Take

>care

> > Kiki. Matt

>

>Nope, overnight won't do it, but keep experimenting, and keep being

>excited at the possibilities--it will work. But maybe getting out of

>that solitary work situation would help enormously...

>

>Take care,

>.

>

> >

> >

> > >From: kikibaby67@...

> > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> > >To: 12-step-freeeGroups

> > >Subject: survived

> > >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:50:14 -0700

> > >

> > >hey everybody,

> > >

> > > i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last week. i

>made

> > >it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery channel

> > >stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel or

> > >something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it!

>There

> > >was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon that

> > >when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone

>numbers

> > >of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to 8's

> > >and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little, well,

> > >lonely but I lived. Thanks.

> > >

> > > -kiki

> > >

> > >

>

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matt,

i have been or am where your at to one degree or another. one thing i

belive is good to practice when i feel im treading water is to try to

change just one thing in my daily life and allow that change to have an

effect on me. (no powerlessness here!) this i find is less overwhelming

than trying to tackle everything at once, and it allows me to be more

focused on task at hand. it may be trying something new, or

encorporating something i used to do or wanted do.

i learned this after i got sober. when i drank i wasnt doing anything

for myself and everything fell apart.

also i dont know how much exercise you get or your health condtion, but

making some time for exercise in your week would help with your energy

level, pyhscial apperance and perhaps even depression. when i got sober

i was in worst shape of my life, and i knew i would feel better if

exercised. i have been exercising for last 9 months straight and have

never felt or looked better and my self esteem is higher becasue i know

i acomplished this myself. for me its part of my sobriety to treat

myself with self respect in everyway i can.(no thanks to aa here)

as for job, i think that work environment can make all the differnce in

world. i ahev been working freelance temp last 3 years and have been in

numerous work situations and each one is differnt, but the ones which

are really good are ones where they treat workers with respect and ahve

given thought to the work environemt itself. the world doesnt need

another cubical farm that is for sure.

hope there is something in this that can be of help.

dave

" md matt " wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8779

> , thank you for your response. I work as a program assistant.

Just a

> lot of time on the computer. Yeah, I'm definitely in the market for

a new

> job. I did a customer service job before and hated it. But it did

keep me

> out of my own head 8 hours a day. Now, I'm at the opposite extreme:

I have

> no one around.

> I'm tring to find a happy medium. To work in an office envir.

with

> others but not a customer svc job. Find something where I can

communicate

> and feel part of a team.

> Its amazing what these kind of jobs do to people. My self

image has

> gone way down in the last three months. I'm tired all the time,

depressed,

> have no energy. My physical appearance has gone down. I don't smile

much

> or laugh. And I'm hating myself big time. No wonder AA's looking

pretty

> good right now!!!

> But I know this isn't good. And I've got friends who keep

reminding

> me I need to get out of this job ASAP. For my own good.

> Live & Learn.....Matt

>

>

> >From: babystrange@...

> >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> >To: 12-step-freeeGroups

> >Subject: Re: survived

> >Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:46:34 -0700

> >

> ><snippage>

> >Its hard for me

> > > because I live alone and I work in a basement by myself. I think

my

> >daily

> > > pain comes from having to get through another night alone and

another

> >day

> > > alone. Trying to keep occupied so I don't lose my mind.

> >

> >Ugh! Matt! Even I, the Queen of Introverts, would wither in such a

> >situation! Just curious--what kind of work do you do? Is there

> >something related, that brings you into more human contact, you could

> >do for a living? Even within the same company, perhaps?

> >

> >This is awful; you shouldn't have to live like this--you don't. No

> >wonder you're so lonely! But now the desire to go back to AA meetings

> >for company makes sense--almost can't say I blame you..

> >

> >

> > > I used to think I enjoyed my isolation. The truth is quiet

> >different.

> > > I think that I'm supposed to isolate because I'm a bad person or

> >unwanted.

> >

> >Isolation is enjoyable when you are the one choosing the terms.

> >Accepting it as " your fate " or because you are somehow " unworthy "

> >of the attention and affection of others is a different story

> >altogether.

> >

> > > Lately, with meds and therapy I'm trying to break out of that.

The

> > > hardest thing is knowing who to go around. I've been

experimenting a

> >lot

> > > with differnent people and situations. Trying to figure out what

I

> >like to

> > > do.

> > > Its hard as hell. I feel like I'm trying to bring myself

back

> >from

> > > the dead. I spent 15 years withdrawing. I doubt I'm gonna turn

my

> >life

> > > around overnight. But I'm definitely excited at the prospect.

Take

> >care

> > > Kiki. Matt

> >

> >Nope, overnight won't do it, but keep experimenting, and keep being

> >excited at the possibilities--it will work. But maybe getting out of

> >that solitary work situation would help enormously...

> >

> >Take care,

> >.

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > >From: kikibaby67@...

> > > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

> > > >To: 12-step-freeeGroups

> > > >Subject: survived

> > > >Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:50:14 -0700

> > > >

> > > >hey everybody,

> > > >

> > > > i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last

week. i

> >made

> > > >it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery

channel

> > > >stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel

or

> > > >something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it!

> >There

> > > >was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon

that

> > > >when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone

> >numbers

> > > >of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to

8's

> > > >and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little,

well,

> > > >lonely but I lived. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > -kiki

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

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H Kiki

well done for a w/e AA-abstinent.But this AL-Anon thing - is it for

real? I thought Al-Anon was abt being a good little wifey and not

getting in the way of his extra-marital affairs, especially if he's not

drinking???

Pete

kikibaby6-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8739

> hey everybody,

>

> i just wanted to check in. thanks for all the help last week. i

made

> it through the weekend with no AA. i did watch that recovery channel

> stuff one night. It comes on late at night on the LAUSD channel or

> something.I just ran into, though, by accident. But that was it! There

> was an Alanon on there talking about how she learned in Alanon that

> when she goes through her husbands clothes and finds the phone numbers

> of other women on matchbooks that she can just change the 4's to 8's

> and so on. So much for the recovery channel. I felt a little, well,

> lonely but I lived. Thanks.

>

> -kiki

>

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Dave, those are some really great ideas. Actually they're similar

to some of the things Dr. Burns suggests in his book " Feeling

Good: The New Mood Therapy. " One of the best bits of advice I ever

encountered is, when you are really down in the dumps and don't feel

like doing anything, the best antidote is -- Do Something! Anything.

I have even on occasion, during a depression, gotten a mood lift from

doing the laundry, and got that sense of accomplishment that you're

talking about. Of course, exercise would be a much better Something to

do.

Hang in there, Matt.

~Rita

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dmarcoo-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8782

> matt,

> i have been or am where your at to one degree or another. one thing i

> belive is good to practice when i feel im treading water is to try to

> change just one thing in my daily life and allow that change to have

an

> effect on me. (no powerlessness here!) this i find is less

overwhelming

> than trying to tackle everything at once, and it allows me to be more

> focused on task at hand. it may be trying something new, or

> encorporating something i used to do or wanted do.

> i learned this after i got sober. when i drank i wasnt doing anything

> for myself and everything fell apart.

>

> also i dont know how much exercise you get or your health condtion,

but

> making some time for exercise in your week would help with your energy

> level, pyhscial apperance and perhaps even depression. when i got

sober

> i was in worst shape of my life, and i knew i would feel better if

> exercised. i have been exercising for last 9 months straight and have

> never felt or looked better and my self esteem is higher becasue i

know

> i acomplished this myself. for me its part of my sobriety to treat

> myself with self respect in everyway i can.(no thanks to aa here)

>

> as for job, i think that work environment can make all the differnce

in

> world. i ahev been working freelance temp last 3 years and have been

in

> numerous work situations and each one is differnt, but the ones which

> are really good are ones where they treat workers with respect and

ahve

> given thought to the work environemt itself. the world doesnt need

> another cubical farm that is for sure.

>

> hope there is something in this that can be of help.

> dave

>

> " md matt " wrote:

> original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8779

> > , thank you for your response. I work as a program

assistant.

> Just a

> > lot of time on the computer. Yeah, I'm definitely in the market for

> a new

> > job. I did a customer service job before and hated it. But it did

> keep me

> > out of my own head 8 hours a day. Now, I'm at the opposite

extreme:

> I have

> > no one around.

> > I'm tring to find a happy medium. To work in an office envir.

> with

> > others but not a customer svc job. Find something where I can

> communicate

> > and feel part of a team.

> > Its amazing what these kind of jobs do to people. My self

> image has

> > gone way down in the last three months. I'm tired all the time,

> depressed,

> > have no energy. My physical appearance has gone down. I don't

smile

> much

> > or laugh. And I'm hating myself big time. No wonder AA's looking

> pretty

> > good right now!!!

> > But I know this isn't good. And I've got friends who keep

> reminding

> > me I need to get out of this job ASAP. For my own good.

> > Live & Learn.....Matt

> >

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In a message dated 10/22/99 8:13:53 PM Central Daylight Time,

awatt04@... writes:

> H Kiki

>

> well done for a w/e AA-abstinent.But this AL-Anon thing - is it for

> real? I thought Al-Anon was abt being a good little wifey and not

> getting in the way of his extra-marital affairs, especially if he's not

> drinking???

>

> Pete

>

Al-Anon is some really sick stuff. A family member of mine went to a few

meetings until she realized what sickos these folks were. I read some of

their literature and came across some demented statement that claims

(paraphrasing here) " The alcoholic has a number of " weapons " that he/she

will use against you. Unbelievable! Artie

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A friend of mine had an excellent take on the situation: She went to one

AlAnon

meeting, took a look around at the people there, went home & threw her drunk

out.

Harsh; but effective!

UncArtie@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/22/99 8:13:53 PM Central Daylight Time,

> awatt04@... writes:

>

> > H Kiki

> >

> > well done for a w/e AA-abstinent.But this AL-Anon thing - is it for

> > real? I thought Al-Anon was abt being a good little wifey and not

> > getting in the way of his extra-marital affairs, especially if he's not

> > drinking???

> >

> > Pete

> >

> Al-Anon is some really sick stuff. A family member of mine went to a few

> meetings until she realized what sickos these folks were. I read some of

> their literature and came across some demented statement that claims

> (paraphrasing here) " The alcoholic has a number of " weapons " that he/she

> will use against you. Unbelievable! Artie

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A friend of mine had an excellent take on the situation: She went to one

AlAnon

meeting, took a look around at the people there, went home & threw her drunk

out.

Harsh; but effective!

UncArtie@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/22/99 8:13:53 PM Central Daylight Time,

> awatt04@... writes:

>

> > H Kiki

> >

> > well done for a w/e AA-abstinent.But this AL-Anon thing - is it for

> > real? I thought Al-Anon was abt being a good little wifey and not

> > getting in the way of his extra-marital affairs, especially if he's not

> > drinking???

> >

> > Pete

> >

> Al-Anon is some really sick stuff. A family member of mine went to a few

> meetings until she realized what sickos these folks were. I read some of

> their literature and came across some demented statement that claims

> (paraphrasing here) " The alcoholic has a number of " weapons " that he/she

> will use against you. Unbelievable! Artie

>

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A friend of mine had an excellent take on the situation: She went to one

AlAnon

meeting, took a look around at the people there, went home & threw her drunk

out.

Harsh; but effective!

UncArtie@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/22/99 8:13:53 PM Central Daylight Time,

> awatt04@... writes:

>

> > H Kiki

> >

> > well done for a w/e AA-abstinent.But this AL-Anon thing - is it for

> > real? I thought Al-Anon was abt being a good little wifey and not

> > getting in the way of his extra-marital affairs, especially if he's not

> > drinking???

> >

> > Pete

> >

> Al-Anon is some really sick stuff. A family member of mine went to a few

> meetings until she realized what sickos these folks were. I read some of

> their literature and came across some demented statement that claims

> (paraphrasing here) " The alcoholic has a number of " weapons " that he/she

> will use against you. Unbelievable! Artie

>

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Makes sense... Charlotte Kasl in her book Many Roads, One Journey

talks about the Al-Anon phenomenon. She says " Isn't it better to

physically detach from an abusive drunk than to continue living with

him/her and go to a support group in order to learn how to

" emotionally " detach, while continuing to share the same living space? "

Bad energy is bad energy, and the best way to handle it is to distance

oneself from it.

Boy, do I know this. The last difficult roommate I had was a woman I

met in AA. That was the last time I got someone entangled in my life

because I felt sorry for them. (mistake!) She brought so much difficult

energy into the house, that it was an effort just to stay standing.

Every month would be another excruciating heart-to-heart talk.

It was exhausting. Thank goodness she's gone. I hope I never get

myself into a situation like that again. I remember the justification

I used at the time: " Well, she just has a strong personality " Strong

was incorrect... OVERBEARING was more like it. It was like living with

a steamroller and having to be artful and tactful and persistent 24 - 7

just to avoid getting steamrolled. And to think, I could have gone to

AlAnon to help me " emotionally detach " . Thank goodness I chose the ol'

" heave-ho out the door you go " solution, and even THAT wasn't easy!

Never again.

Apple

> A friend of mine had an excellent take on the situation: She went

to one AlAnon

> meeting, took a look around at the people there, went home & threw

her drunk

> out.

> Harsh; but effective!

>

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I couldn't agree more. Whether it's getting an abusive twit out of your life

or leaving AA(more than one abusive person in my opinion) it leaves you with

more time to make real changes. Sure, it's difficult in the beginning, but

how else am I going to learn what I am capable of?

In both of those instances, I had time to start to dealing with why I was

lonely, and what reasons I had for feeling like I deserved to be abused on a

deeper level.

I have applied that to AA, my family, and other less than healthy

relationships. Instead of being barraged with the chaos of these kinds of

relationships-constantly " reacting " to the latest incident, I actually had

time to start dealing with the way I felt about myself, and doing something

about it.

On a side note...is the approacing year 2000 bringing out the nut-cases or

what? This week the University I attend had a whole legion of sign carrying

fundementalist whacko's with signs trying to bait students with

confrontational behavior. Yesterday they were picketing a local church.

Rebekah

----------

>From: appledtp@...

>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: Re: survived

>Date: Sun, Oct 24, 1999, 5:10 AM

>

>Makes sense... Charlotte Kasl in her book Many Roads, One Journey

>talks about the Al-Anon phenomenon. She says " Isn't it better to

>physically detach from an abusive drunk than to continue living with

>him/her and go to a support group in order to learn how to

> " emotionally " detach, while continuing to share the same living space? "

> Bad energy is bad energy, and the best way to handle it is to distance

>oneself from it.

>

>Boy, do I know this. The last difficult roommate I had was a woman I

>met in AA. That was the last time I got someone entangled in my life

>because I felt sorry for them. (mistake!) She brought so much difficult

>energy into the house, that it was an effort just to stay standing.

>Every month would be another excruciating heart-to-heart talk.

>

>It was exhausting. Thank goodness she's gone. I hope I never get

>myself into a situation like that again. I remember the justification

>I used at the time: " Well, she just has a strong personality " Strong

>was incorrect... OVERBEARING was more like it. It was like living with

>a steamroller and having to be artful and tactful and persistent 24 - 7

>just to avoid getting steamrolled. And to think, I could have gone to

>AlAnon to help me " emotionally detach " . Thank goodness I chose the ol'

> " heave-ho out the door you go " solution, and even THAT wasn't easy!

>

>Never again.

>

>Apple

>

>> A friend of mine had an excellent take on the situation: She went

>to one AlAnon

>> meeting, took a look around at the people there, went home & threw

>her drunk

>> out.

>> Harsh; but effective!

>>

>

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What do you mean? Please explain. " baiting students with

conftontational behavior? "

Apple

On a side note...is the approacing year 2000 bringing out the nut-cases

or

> what? This week the University I attend had a whole legion of sign

carrying

> fundementalist whacko's with signs trying to bait students with

> confrontational behavior. Yesterday they were picketing a local

church.

> Rebekah

>

>

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The usual screaming, finger-pointing stuff.

Yelling at women that they should be home submitting to thier husbands.

They had a lot of huge signs proclaiming everyone who was destined to burn

in hell

including Buddhists, Catholics , Mormans, people with Aids, Psychology

students, anyone who was outside of thier interpretation of the bible.

Actuallly, they did brand AA as a false religion.

If they didn't have enough people to argue with, they would shout out

something controversial to anyone who was just walking by. It was considered

" free speech " so the University had a lot of Police Officers and Security

Folks all around in case of violence. It was a depressing scene all week.

Rebekah

----------

>From: appledtp@...

>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: Re: survived

>Date: Sun, Oct 24, 1999, 10:08 AM

>

>What do you mean? Please explain. " baiting students with

>conftontational behavior? "

>Apple

>

>On a side note...is the approacing year 2000 bringing out the nut-cases

>or

>> what? This week the University I attend had a whole legion of sign

>carrying

>> fundementalist whacko's with signs trying to bait students with

>> confrontational behavior. Yesterday they were picketing a local

>church.

>> Rebekah

>>

>>

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That's a very good idea. I must admit I get more of a good feeling doing

the laundry or putting gas in my car than doing some major life changing

event! I think happiness is in the small stuff. Because no matter how you

are you still have to have clean clothes! Even Jordan has laundry

to do. (even though he doesn't do it himself). Matt

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>Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 05:22:04 -0700

>

>

> Dave, those are some really great ideas. Actually they're similar

>to some of the things Dr. Burns suggests in his book " Feeling

>Good: The New Mood Therapy. " One of the best bits of advice I ever

>encountered is, when you are really down in the dumps and don't feel

>like doing anything, the best antidote is -- Do Something! Anything.

>I have even on occasion, during a depression, gotten a mood lift from

>doing the laundry, and got that sense of accomplishment that you're

>talking about. Of course, exercise would be a much better Something to

>do.

>

> Hang in there, Matt.

>

>~Rita

>

>------------------------------

>

>dmarcoo-@... wrote:

>original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8782

>

> > matt,

> > i have been or am where your at to one degree or another. one thing i

> > belive is good to practice when i feel im treading water is to try to

> > change just one thing in my daily life and allow that change to have

>an

> > effect on me. (no powerlessness here!) this i find is less

>overwhelming

> > than trying to tackle everything at once, and it allows me to be more

> > focused on task at hand. it may be trying something new, or

> > encorporating something i used to do or wanted do.

> > i learned this after i got sober. when i drank i wasnt doing anything

> > for myself and everything fell apart.

> >

> > also i dont know how much exercise you get or your health condtion,

>but

> > making some time for exercise in your week would help with your energy

> > level, pyhscial apperance and perhaps even depression. when i got

>sober

> > i was in worst shape of my life, and i knew i would feel better if

> > exercised. i have been exercising for last 9 months straight and have

> > never felt or looked better and my self esteem is higher becasue i

>know

> > i acomplished this myself. for me its part of my sobriety to treat

> > myself with self respect in everyway i can.(no thanks to aa here)

> >

> > as for job, i think that work environment can make all the differnce

>in

> > world. i ahev been working freelance temp last 3 years and have been

>in

> > numerous work situations and each one is differnt, but the ones which

> > are really good are ones where they treat workers with respect and

>ahve

> > given thought to the work environemt itself. the world doesnt need

> > another cubical farm that is for sure.

> >

> > hope there is something in this that can be of help.

> > dave

> >

> > " md matt " wrote:

> > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8779

> > > , thank you for your response. I work as a program

>assistant.

> > Just a

> > > lot of time on the computer. Yeah, I'm definitely in the market for

> > a new

> > > job. I did a customer service job before and hated it. But it did

> > keep me

> > > out of my own head 8 hours a day. Now, I'm at the opposite

>extreme:

> > I have

> > > no one around.

> > > I'm tring to find a happy medium. To work in an office envir.

> > with

> > > others but not a customer svc job. Find something where I can

> > communicate

> > > and feel part of a team.

> > > Its amazing what these kind of jobs do to people. My self

> > image has

> > > gone way down in the last three months. I'm tired all the time,

> > depressed,

> > > have no energy. My physical appearance has gone down. I don't

>smile

> > much

> > > or laugh. And I'm hating myself big time. No wonder AA's looking

> > pretty

> > > good right now!!!

> > > But I know this isn't good. And I've got friends who keep

> > reminding

> > > me I need to get out of this job ASAP. For my own good.

> > > Live & Learn.....Matt

> > >

>

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Hey Pete,

Thanks. I need the encouragement. You know, I don't know that much

about Al anon except that they got ragged on at AA meetings all the

time. But from what I've heard and seen, I think you're right. That's

just it about someone woman getting up and talking about how she goes

through her low down cheating husband's pockets and changes the phone

numbers he scammed? And this is a success story??? To think that once I

was considering going to Al-Anon. I have found that people in 12 step

programs need more and more 21 step programs. Why is that? Do you just

get more and more powerless until you can't do anything?

-kiki

uncarti-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8792

> In a message dated 10/22/99 8:13:53 PM Central Daylight Time,

> awatt04@... writes:

>

> > H Kiki

> >

> > well done for a w/e AA-abstinent.But this AL-Anon thing - is it for

> > real? I thought Al-Anon was abt being a good little wifey and not

> > getting in the way of his extra-marital affairs, especially if

he's not

> > drinking???

> >

> > Pete

> >

> Al-Anon is some really sick stuff. A family member of mine went

to a few

> meetings until she realized what sickos these folks were. I read some

of

> their literature and came across some demented statement that claims

> (paraphrasing here) " The alcoholic has a number of " weapons " that

he/she

> will use against you. Unbelievable! Artie

>

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