Re: It's always been due to hypothyroid (Chronic fatigue and fibro)

[Guest guest]

That doesn't sound very encouraging. I do believe that fibro was

around but other different names such as myalgic encephalitis or

something like that. Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN. LOL She

loves it)

> And yet another comment by Dr. Derry worth considering:

>

> Chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia were [supposedly] non-existent

> before 1980. This is seven years after the 1973 consensus meeting

> [that the TSH would be used to diagnose hypo.] So where did these

> two new diseases come from? The symptoms and signs of chronic

> fatigue and fibromyalgia were described in the literature in the

> 1930's as one way that low thyroid could be expressed. Treated

early

> it was easily fixed with thyroid in adequate doses. But even then

> the clinicians had noticed that if a patient has low thyroid

> (chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia) for too long then it became more

> difficult to reverse all signs and symptoms regardless of what they

> were.

[Guest guest]

What he's trying to say is that the so-called new diseases i.e.

fibro, were always around. But docs back then knew they were hypo

symptoms, not a different disease. They only became " new diseases "

when the TSH came out, which greatly narrowed the definition of

hypothyroid. It's like me---all those years I was so-called

optimally treated with Synthroid and the result of " another "

problem. When in fact, they were NOT!! They were the result of being

hypo AND being inadequately treated!! Grinding of teeth.

> That doesn't sound very encouraging. I do believe that fibro was

> around but other different names such as myalgic encephalitis or

> something like that. Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow

and

> will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN. LOL

She

> loves it)

>

>

> > And yet another comment by Dr. Derry worth considering:

> >

> > Chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia were [supposedly] non-existent

> > before 1980. This is seven years after the 1973 consensus

meeting

> > [that the TSH would be used to diagnose hypo.] So where did

these

> > two new diseases come from? The symptoms and signs of chronic

> > fatigue and fibromyalgia were described in the literature in the

> > 1930's as one way that low thyroid could be expressed. Treated

> early

> > it was easily fixed with thyroid in adequate doses. But even

then

> > the clinicians had noticed that if a patient has low thyroid

> > (chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia) for too long then it became

more

> > difficult to reverse all signs and symptoms regardless of what

they

> > were.

[Guest guest]

HOW MUCH SNOW????

> Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

> will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN. LOL

She

> loves it)

[Guest guest]

HOW MUCH SNOW????

> Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

> will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN. LOL

She

> loves it)

[Guest guest]

HOW MUCH SNOW????

> Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

> will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN. LOL

She

> loves it)

[Guest guest]

OK, now I am confused. If you look at Lowe, which I find not a good source, he

talks about how he treats fibro and chronic fatigue as well as thyroid. So, if

he were a medical DR and could prescribe real thyroid meds and optimize peoples

levels, then they wouldn't have fibro and chronic fatigue?

Re: It's always been due to hypothyroid

(Chronic fatigue and fibro)

What he's trying to say is that the so-called new diseases i.e.

fibro, were always around. But docs back then knew they were hypo

symptoms, not a different disease. They only became " new diseases "

when the TSH came out, which greatly narrowed the definition of

hypothyroid. It's like me---all those years I was so-called

optimally treated with Synthroid and the result of " another "

problem. When in fact, they were NOT!! They were the result of being

hypo AND being inadequately treated!! Grinding of teeth.

> That doesn't sound very encouraging. I do believe that fibro was

> around but other different names such as myalgic encephalitis or

> something like that. Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow

and

> will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN. LOL

She

> loves it)

>

>

> > And yet another comment by Dr. Derry worth considering:

> >

> > Chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia were [supposedly] non-existent

> > before 1980. This is seven years after the 1973 consensus

meeting

> > [that the TSH would be used to diagnose hypo.] So where did

these

> > two new diseases come from? The symptoms and signs of chronic

> > fatigue and fibromyalgia were described in the literature in the

> > 1930's as one way that low thyroid could be expressed. Treated

> early

> > it was easily fixed with thyroid in adequate doses. But even

then

> > the clinicians had noticed that if a patient has low thyroid

> > (chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia) for too long then it became

more

> > difficult to reverse all signs and symptoms regardless of what

they

> > were.

[Guest guest]

I didn't measure it but it looked like about 6 inches. You have to

drive up a LONG steep road to get to our road. We are at 4,000' and

it snowed lower than that. In fact in Columbia which I believe is

about 1500 or 2,000' it was a cross between rain/snow this morning. I

under stand an even BIGGER storm is approaching this weekend. that

means we may not have church on Sunday. Hugs, Carol B (Thank the Lord

for subaru station wagon, 4wh drive and studded tires LOL)

> HOW MUCH SNOW????

>

> > Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

> > will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN. LOL

> She

> > loves it)

[Guest guest]

I do understand the Dr. Lowe is a chiropractor and they have JUST AS

MUCH training as an MD according to my chiropractor. I really believe

he is on to something. The top doc (Dr. Odom) that we went to see

essentially does what he prescribes and it's working for hundreds of

patients. They call it ANTI AGING medicine. Hugs, Carol B

> > > And yet another comment by Dr. Derry worth considering:

> > >

> > > Chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia were [supposedly] non-

existent

> > > before 1980. This is seven years after the 1973 consensus

> meeting

> > > [that the TSH would be used to diagnose hypo.] So where did

> these

> > > two new diseases come from? The symptoms and signs of chronic

> > > fatigue and fibromyalgia were described in the literature in

the

> > > 1930's as one way that low thyroid could be expressed.

Treated

> > early

> > > it was easily fixed with thyroid in adequate doses. But even

> then

> > > the clinicians had noticed that if a patient has low thyroid

> > > (chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia) for too long then it

became

> more

> > > difficult to reverse all signs and symptoms regardless of

what

> they

> > > were.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My point was that if you've been hypo since birth like I probably

have, and you don't find out till in your fifties, can you get well?

Hugs, Carol B (who finally had some blood work done this week for

chronic fatigue. We'll see how it comes out) Still on Armour and

cortef.

> > > And yet another comment by Dr. Derry worth considering:

> > >

> > > Chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia were [supposedly] non-existent

> > > before 1980. This is seven years after the 1973 consensus

> meeting

> > > [that the TSH would be used to diagnose hypo.] So where did

> these

> > > two new diseases come from? The symptoms and signs of chronic

> > > fatigue and fibromyalgia were described in the literature in

the

> > > 1930's as one way that low thyroid could be expressed. Treated

> > early

> > > it was easily fixed with thyroid in adequate doses. But even

> then

> > > the clinicians had noticed that if a patient has low thyroid

> > > (chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia) for too long then it became

> more

> > > difficult to reverse all signs and symptoms regardless of what

> they

> > > were.

[Guest guest]

No, they have a great deal of training, but can't prescribe medication because

they are not qualified in that area. I have gone to many chiros in my life and

am not against Chiros, but Lowe posts articles about he monitors his thyroid

patients and when it turns out that the over the counter stuff, not prescribed

medication doesn't work, he is puzzled and tries to change the subject. The link

was just posted by someone else on this site. He pushes patients to over

medicate themselves and then says it is their DR's responsibility to monitor

them. He then in the next statement on a different letter talks how his patients

on thyroid meds are closely monitored by him. He can't prescribe medicine, so

what monitoring is he doing and to what avail. I will be happy to find the

links, but I can tell you that they study vitamins and not meds in their

college. It is also against the law for them to advise any patient on

prescription drugs or even discuss them as far as I know in every state.

From: Kalo777

To: NaturalThyroidHormones

Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:00 PM

Subject: Re: It's always been due to hypothyroid

(Chronic fatigue and fibro)

I do understand the Dr. Lowe is a chiropractor and they have JUST AS

MUCH training as an MD according to my chiropractor. I really believe

he is on to something. The top doc (Dr. Odom) that we went to see

essentially does what he prescribes and it's working for hundreds of

patients. They call it ANTI AGING medicine. Hugs, Carol B

> > > And yet another comment by Dr. Derry worth considering:

> > >

> > > Chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia were [supposedly] non-

existent

> > > before 1980. This is seven years after the 1973 consensus

> meeting

> > > [that the TSH would be used to diagnose hypo.] So where did

> these

> > > two new diseases come from? The symptoms and signs of chronic

> > > fatigue and fibromyalgia were described in the literature in

the

> > > 1930's as one way that low thyroid could be expressed.

Treated

> > early

> > > it was easily fixed with thyroid in adequate doses. But even

> then

> > > the clinicians had noticed that if a patient has low thyroid

> > > (chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia) for too long then it

became

> more

> > > difficult to reverse all signs and symptoms regardless of

what

> they

> > > were.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I understand now. You are referring to the last sentence when he

says that the longer you go being hypo, the harder it is to reverse

all symptoms. There are some here who have found that to be true by

their subjective experience. But I haven't seen anyone NOT

eventually get there.

And even me--I honestly know of no one whose symptoms were quite as

severe as mine where WHILE BEING treated with T4. I can't begin to

describe my misery all those years--17 years while on T4 meds, and

several before that. There is no way to describe the damaging and

debilitating reaction I kept having to any form of exercise or

activity----fatigue SO SO extreme that it nauseated me and that

lasted for DAYS, and eventually lasted a WEEK. POUNDING heartrate

that lasted for hours upon hours. Profound sweating.

Yet, with THAT many years of such extreme after starting on Armour.

And I've experienced further " curing " as I optimized my pitifully

low Ferritin level, added testosterone to my low level, and recently

added more Armour to my daily regimin. I am now up to 2 1/2 grains.

I was 50 when I started all this. There IS hope.

Janie

> My point was that if you've been hypo since birth like I probably

> have, and you don't find out till in your fifties, can you get

well?

> Hugs, Carol B (who finally had some blood work done this week for

> chronic fatigue. We'll see how it comes out) Still on Armour and

> cortef.

[Guest guest]

I understand now. You are referring to the last sentence when he

says that the longer you go being hypo, the harder it is to reverse

all symptoms. There are some here who have found that to be true by

their subjective experience. But I haven't seen anyone NOT

eventually get there.

And even me--I honestly know of no one whose symptoms were quite as

severe as mine where WHILE BEING treated with T4. I can't begin to

describe my misery all those years--17 years while on T4 meds, and

several before that. There is no way to describe the damaging and

debilitating reaction I kept having to any form of exercise or

activity----fatigue SO SO extreme that it nauseated me and that

lasted for DAYS, and eventually lasted a WEEK. POUNDING heartrate

that lasted for hours upon hours. Profound sweating.

Yet, with THAT many years of such extreme after starting on Armour.

And I've experienced further " curing " as I optimized my pitifully

low Ferritin level, added testosterone to my low level, and recently

added more Armour to my daily regimin. I am now up to 2 1/2 grains.

I was 50 when I started all this. There IS hope.

Janie

> My point was that if you've been hypo since birth like I probably

> have, and you don't find out till in your fifties, can you get

well?

> Hugs, Carol B (who finally had some blood work done this week for

> chronic fatigue. We'll see how it comes out) Still on Armour and

> cortef.

[Guest guest]

I understand now. You are referring to the last sentence when he

says that the longer you go being hypo, the harder it is to reverse

all symptoms. There are some here who have found that to be true by

their subjective experience. But I haven't seen anyone NOT

eventually get there.

And even me--I honestly know of no one whose symptoms were quite as

severe as mine where WHILE BEING treated with T4. I can't begin to

describe my misery all those years--17 years while on T4 meds, and

several before that. There is no way to describe the damaging and

debilitating reaction I kept having to any form of exercise or

activity----fatigue SO SO extreme that it nauseated me and that

lasted for DAYS, and eventually lasted a WEEK. POUNDING heartrate

that lasted for hours upon hours. Profound sweating.

Yet, with THAT many years of such extreme after starting on Armour.

And I've experienced further " curing " as I optimized my pitifully

low Ferritin level, added testosterone to my low level, and recently

added more Armour to my daily regimin. I am now up to 2 1/2 grains.

I was 50 when I started all this. There IS hope.

Janie

> My point was that if you've been hypo since birth like I probably

> have, and you don't find out till in your fifties, can you get

well?

> Hugs, Carol B (who finally had some blood work done this week for

> chronic fatigue. We'll see how it comes out) Still on Armour and

> cortef.

[Guest guest]

Heck 6 inches is nothing in these parts (In Denver - home of the

34 " March blizzard and numerous others. )

Louise

PS I swear by Subarus too. Won't drive anything else. Oh and

Subaru AWD is much better than 4WD.

> > HOW MUCH SNOW????

> >

> > > Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

> > > will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN. LOL

> > She

> > > loves it)

[Guest guest]

Heck 6 inches is nothing in these parts (In Denver - home of the

34 " March blizzard and numerous others. )

Louise

PS I swear by Subarus too. Won't drive anything else. Oh and

Subaru AWD is much better than 4WD.

> > HOW MUCH SNOW????

> >

> > > Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

> > > will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN. LOL

> > She

> > > loves it)

[Guest guest]

Heck 6 inches is nothing in these parts (In Denver - home of the

34 " March blizzard and numerous others. )

Louise

PS I swear by Subarus too. Won't drive anything else. Oh and

Subaru AWD is much better than 4WD.

> > HOW MUCH SNOW????

> >

> > > Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

> > > will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN. LOL

> > She

> > > loves it)

[Guest guest]

I agree that 6 inches isn't much. However we have a lot of hills. And

where we live we have a tendancy to get slush. It will all white with

water underneath. We had 3' from one storm a couple of years ago.

Last year I was getting ready to take my daughter down the hill early

in the morning. Someone walked by and said " Don't bother " They had 20

cars piled up down at the bottom of the hill and no one could get

through. Even 4wh drives were sliding off the road. She called into

work and they TOTALLY understood. I am thankful that it doesn't get

like back east. Hugs, Carol B

> > > HOW MUCH SNOW????

> > >

> > > > Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

> > > > will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN.

LOL

> > > She

> > > > loves it)

[Guest guest]

I agree that 6 inches isn't much. However we have a lot of hills. And

where we live we have a tendancy to get slush. It will all white with

water underneath. We had 3' from one storm a couple of years ago.

Last year I was getting ready to take my daughter down the hill early

in the morning. Someone walked by and said " Don't bother " They had 20

cars piled up down at the bottom of the hill and no one could get

through. Even 4wh drives were sliding off the road. She called into

work and they TOTALLY understood. I am thankful that it doesn't get

like back east. Hugs, Carol B

> > > HOW MUCH SNOW????

> > >

> > > > Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

> > > > will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN.

LOL

> > > She

> > > > loves it)

[Guest guest]

I agree that 6 inches isn't much. However we have a lot of hills. And

where we live we have a tendancy to get slush. It will all white with

water underneath. We had 3' from one storm a couple of years ago.

Last year I was getting ready to take my daughter down the hill early

in the morning. Someone walked by and said " Don't bother " They had 20

cars piled up down at the bottom of the hill and no one could get

through. Even 4wh drives were sliding off the road. She called into

work and they TOTALLY understood. I am thankful that it doesn't get

like back east. Hugs, Carol B

> > > HOW MUCH SNOW????

> > >

> > > > Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

> > > > will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN.

LOL

> > > She

> > > > loves it)

[Guest guest]

I should add that when it freezes it's SOLID ice. Hugs, Carol B

> > > > HOW MUCH SNOW????

> > > >

> > > > > Hugs, Carol B (who woke up to lots of snow and

> > > > > will need 4wh to get out this morning. My dog is in HEAVEN.

> LOL

> > > > She

> > > > > loves it)

[Guest guest]

You are spreading a lot of misinformation regarding Chiropractic.

Chiropractors can & do discuss medication, lol...they have to during the

taking of the patients history & vitals....They are far more educated in a

lot of areas than MD's are & they can take courses in Oregon regarding some

medicines (I can't recall which ones now because my ex didn't do that part

of it) He would often call the patients medical doctors to discuss their

medications...and any of his concerns.

Chiropractors hours of school are actually more than MD's by a couple

hundred.

http://www.thechiropracticvillage.com/id15.htm

http://www.drracine.com/chiroed_chiropractic_education.htm

Re: Re: It's always been due to

hypothyroid (Chronic fatigue and fibro)

>

> No, they have a great deal of training, but can't prescribe medication

because they are not qualified in that area. I have gone to many chiros in

my life and am not against Chiros, but Lowe posts articles about he monitors

his thyroid patients and when it turns out that the over the counter stuff,

not prescribed medication doesn't work, he is puzzled and tries to change

the subject. The link was just posted by someone else on this site. He

pushes patients to over medicate themselves and then says it is their DR's

responsibility to monitor them. He then in the next statement on a different

letter talks how his patients on thyroid meds are closely monitored by him.

He can't prescribe medicine, so what monitoring is he doing and to what

avail. I will be happy to find the links, but I can tell you that they study

vitamins and not meds in their college. It is also against the law for them

to advise any patient on prescription drugs or even discuss them as far as I

know in every state.

[Guest guest]

I'm curious where this information comes from. I was under the

impression that he used Cytomel and in some cases Armour. I didn't

know he did over the counter stuff. Interesting. I've never heard any

of this before. The top doc I went to has his book (very big and

detailed) and thought I might enjoy reading it. Does he have a site

where you've read this stuff? Just curious. Hugs, Carol B

> > > > And yet another comment by Dr. Derry worth

considering:

> > > >

> > > > Chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia were [supposedly] non-

> existent

> > > > before 1980. This is seven years after the 1973 consensus

> > meeting

> > > > [that the TSH would be used to diagnose hypo.] So where

did

> > these

> > > > two new diseases come from? The symptoms and signs of

chronic

> > > > fatigue and fibromyalgia were described in the literature

in

> the

> > > > 1930's as one way that low thyroid could be expressed.

> Treated

> > > early

> > > > it was easily fixed with thyroid in adequate doses. But

even

> > then

> > > > the clinicians had noticed that if a patient has low

thyroid

> > > > (chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia) for too long then it

> became

> > more

> > > > difficult to reverse all signs and symptoms regardless of

> what

> > they

> > > > were.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Your response amazes me. I never said that they have no education. I am

floored that you would say I said they were untrained when it was never brought

up. There was not one comment about education period. I am not aware of any

state that allows a chiropractor to prescribe medicine. They are also not

allowed to advice a patient on prescription medicine. Your own comment was your

ex would call the DR's of the patients if he had a concern, but they can't

discuss what to do with prescription medicine with patients. They use many

supplements and recommend them and many are well versed on the possible severe

side effects of the over the counter drugs such as thyroid meds with a patients

prescription thyroid medication. That is the need for the history on drugs, but

as your ex will tell you, he can't change current meds, recommend the use of or

prescribe meds. Please feel free to run my actual statement past your ex.

Re: Re: It's always been due to

hypothyroid (Chronic fatigue and fibro)

>

> No, they have a great deal of training, but can't prescribe medication

because they are not qualified in that area. I have gone to many chiros in

my life and am not against Chiros, but Lowe posts articles about he monitors

his thyroid patients and when it turns out that the over the counter stuff,

not prescribed medication doesn't work, he is puzzled and tries to change

the subject. The link was just posted by someone else on this site. He

pushes patients to over medicate themselves and then says it is their DR's

responsibility to monitor them. He then in the next statement on a different

letter talks how his patients on thyroid meds are closely monitored by him.

He can't prescribe medicine, so what monitoring is he doing and to what

avail. I will be happy to find the links, but I can tell you that they study

vitamins and not meds in their college. It is also against the law for them

to advise any patient on prescription drugs or even discuss them as far as I

know in every state.

[Guest guest]

For me with Lowe, it has come from research. Here is his actual site.

http://www.drlowe.com/ About 7 months ago one of the Jane's or Jan's from

one of the lists had put some information on how my fibro was not a real issue,

but most likely a side effect of being undertreated. That inf. was given as a

result of what they had found for themselves. Now I was first dxed with that

many years ago by a man that I have been friends with who also owns one of the

largest chiropractic office in S FL, his name is Bernstein. I had tried

supplements, adjustments, etc., but was left with this will be a permanent issue

that needs to be maintained. It has only been about a year that I had been

dxed with Hashi. After that one comment was made about it might be a thyroid

issue, I called Bernstein my friend in FL and asked about it. He said

since they have no idea what cause fibro aside from possibly EB or severe past

physical trauma, that is a possibility. He will search as should I. I am seeing

a Chiro here in CA since many of you know that I was in a severe car accident

last Nov., where I was rear ended at 80 miles per hour and my car totaled. I

spoke to my Chiro here. He also thought it was not only probable but possible.

Now he has some interesting credentials. He also did training with Orthopedic

DR, I think it is called a fellowship for 3 years. I will look at my next appt.

For those of you here in CA, his name is Reich and I recommend him

highly. I was in Orlando when my accident happened and my DR then also had the

same credentials with working with an Ortho pod for the fellowship. His name is

Conrad Dancy. As I did more research on this stuff, especially on Lowe, it seems

that there are some real cases of different sides of the medical world not

helping, but hindering progress on thyroid patients. Go through all of Lowes

questions and answers to patients. See for yourself. Here a lot of stuff that I

was believing as gospel, seemed to be a way of keeping people coming back or

maybe just the training they had. Who knows. Now you know (topper). She is

the exception to the rule on everything, so that part of my research, well that

is a puzzle, but thyroid, fibro, chronic fatigue, allergies all seem to be side

effects of not enough thyroid meds. Doug is very open minded and is a

missionary that volunteers his time out the country 4 months a year. He although

follows the practicom of most Chiros that supplements and alignments are almost

everything that you need, goes beyond. He has been working with me more on a med

result with my body, Vs just alignment which is his background. Helping me track

it, not discussing meds that are prescribed since he can't do that. Although he

sells and recommends all the holistic supplements, OTC thyroid stimulators, he

said even adjustments hold better especially with upslipped hips and pelvis when

people are optimized on prescribed thyroid meds. Now, do the looking and decide

yourself what upsets me about Lowe. He has made a big business of treating

Fibro. Now as an alternative to Endos, he has made a business with Thyroid and

there, his inf. conflicts a lot. Let me know what you think after a couple

months of reading all the questions to him and his answers. (you may be faster,

it has taken me a few months of reading that stuff) His website is like a

resume, it looks good, but the questions you ask the candidate are what makes

you know what they are really like. I know this is long, I hope I answered why I

feel the way I do. One last thing, I have asked several questions directly to

him. What a surprise they were never answered.

Jamy

Re: It's always been due to hypothyroid

(Chronic fatigue and fibro)

I'm curious where this information comes from. I was under the

impression that he used Cytomel and in some cases Armour. I didn't

know he did over the counter stuff. Interesting. I've never heard any

of this before. The top doc I went to has his book (very big and

detailed) and thought I might enjoy reading it. Does he have a site

where you've read this stuff? Just curious. Hugs, Carol B

> > > > And yet another comment by Dr. Derry worth

considering:

> > > >

> > > > Chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia were [supposedly] non-

> existent

> > > > before 1980. This is seven years after the 1973 consensus

> > meeting

> > > > [that the TSH would be used to diagnose hypo.] So where

did

> > these

> > > > two new diseases come from? The symptoms and signs of

chronic

> > > > fatigue and fibromyalgia were described in the literature

in

> the

> > > > 1930's as one way that low thyroid could be expressed.

> Treated

> > > early

> > > > it was easily fixed with thyroid in adequate doses. But

even

> > then

> > > > the clinicians had noticed that if a patient has low

thyroid

> > > > (chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia) for too long then it

> became

> > more

> > > > difficult to reverse all signs and symptoms regardless of

> what

> > they

> > > > were.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This is an interesting discussion (and I do appreciate when folks do

not put down someone else for having a different opinion.)

Jamy, I cannnot find anything in your posts that explains what you

disagree with about Lowe, and we can all benefit by another's

information. Can you quote something specific that Lowe has said

that you disagree with?

Reviewing your post, you stated that " thyroid, fibro, chronic

fatigue, allergies all seem to be side effects of not enough thyroid

meds. " I believe that is also the same thing that Lowe states, so in

that, you are in agreement with him.....

Let us know more specifically.

Janie

> For me with Lowe, it has come from research.........