Re: Re: Hysterectomy vs Myomectomy

March 14, 2001

,

Lots of conflicting info. tonite.I too am in the market for myo and of course

that has to include a

consideration of West.I wonder if anyone has the enrgy to get in touch with the

NY Times?

Best,

bonnie

Belzer wrote:

> Nope, sorry ..... this was told to me directly by

> DelJunco's office manager/nurse/wife and it was about

> Dr. West. Post-operative bleeding, she said, due to

> the fact that the " sewing up " was not done

> meticulously enough and there were too many " leaky "

> repairs to the uterus. The woman hemmorraged and

> died, apparently you can die rather quickly

> hemmoraging from the uterus, before anyone can notice

> and/or get blood into you. I am only mentioning this

> because I was considering Dr. West, and still might

> consider him if I could get answers to this.

>

> - B

>

> --- swan511 wrote:

> > Hi Bonnie,

> > I remember that case last year where that young

> > woman died as a result of a

> > myomectomy and I know for a fact that was not Dr.

> > West's patient. I believe

> > she was given too much fluid during the procedure.

> > Hazel

> >

> > Re: Re: Hysterectomy

> > vs Myomectomy

> > > >

> > > > > --- njr@... wrote:

> > > > > > I am 43 and had a myomectomy in October

> > and I

> > > > > > feel great(and I

> > > > > > still have all my pieces). My surgeon is

> > Dr.

> > > > > > Stanley West, author

> > > > > > of " The Hysterectomy Hoax " .

> > > > >

> > > > > I was considering Dr. West until someone from

> > > > > DelJunco's (Female Alternative Surgery)

> > (Hufnagel's

> > > > > " prodigy " ) told me that one of Dr. West's

> > patients

> > > > > DIED from post-operative bleeding.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a bit surprised to see so many women here

> > who

> > > > > used West. By the way, I am new, from CA, so I

> > have

> > > > > heard all about the whole Hufnagel " No More

> > > > > Hysterectomies " losing her license scandal....

> > and I

> > > > > would consider DelJunco but alas he is not

> > even a gyn

> > > > > nor even Board Certified.... I have heard from

> > women

> > > > > who rave about him tho. This is all so

> > confusing!

> > > > >

> > > > > I mean, what's a girl to think? They write

> > books and

> > > > > lose their license (Vicki Hufnagel...not

> > spoken of

> > > > > highly elsewhere on this site)... they save

> > uteri and

> > > > > get criticized by the vast majority of

> > GYN's.... I

> > > > > mean this is not exactly a picnic now is it?

> > > > >

> > > > > I have heard UAE slammed... I have heard it

> > all at

> > > > > this point... I am just wanting to get it over

> > with

> > > > > and have a myo but at the present I am still

> > trying to

> > > > > figure out with whom!

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a very large multi-fibroid uterus and

> > adenoymas

> > > > > to boot. I am 46 and so you can imagine the

> > amount of

> > > > > flak I get for wanting to save it! Oh for

> > Pete's

> > > > > sake.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well how's that for my intro to the group?

> > > > >

> > > > > I was wanting to ask the womem who went to

> > West, were

> > > > > you aware of the death when you made your

> > decision?

> > > > > What was your impression of him ( I do not

> > like what I

> > > > > have read here about his not listening about

> > post-op

> > > > > pain)? What's his office like? How about the

> > > > > hospital? I personally want to go to a

> > hospital that

> > > > > is VERY CUSHY..... I swear if I have to go

> > thru that I

> > > > > want a foot rub and some ice cream (ha ha)!

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish everyone the very best with your

> > personal

> > > > > situations..... and just hope you will all

> > RESEARCH

> > > > > this thoroughly before you do anything. Seems

> > to me

> > > > > we are on the cutting edge of a major and

> > > > > controversial shift in women's health care,

> > and it is

> > > > > up to us to help shape it. Kudos to the

> > website

> > > > > creator and any physician like minded.

> > > > >

> > > > > - (newbie)

> > > > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > > > >

March 14, 2001

,

Would please appoint yourself.Sigh

..I think a lot of us are interested and I think it needs clearing.Is the NY

Times idea crazy or good?

Best,

Bonnie

Belzer wrote:

> Yes you all have that right....but this was ANOTHER

> woman according to DelJunco. Maybe I will appoint

> myself the one to get the details on this and post

> them to this list, since I brought it up. It would be

> interesting to know whether DelJunco and wife had it

> right or not.

>

> - B

> --- Donna Jung wrote:

> > Bonnie,

> >

> > I think it was a hysteroscopic myomectomy. It was

> > on Dateline NBC.

> >

> > http://www.msnbc.com/news/237039.asp

> >

> > Donna

> >

> > > Hi Hazel,

> > > So I wasn't dreaming it-you must be in NYC or the

> > area.Anyway you

> > can think of to check who the

> > > doctor was? I wonder how you die from too much

> > fluid,maybe it fills

> > the lungs.I remember a coma

> > > patient I knew very well and one day his face was

> > swollen like a

> > basketball,it was over-hydration.But

> > > he didn't die,maybe they got it adjusted.

> > > Its just they are telling me that my myo would

> > involve more rsik

> > etc. and I am interested in all

> > > these casualities.

> > > Anyway

> > > as always

> > > Best,

> > > Bonnie

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

March 14, 2001

I think I'll put my two cents worth in here. The way

DelJunco's office told me was like it is a competition

btwn the doctors who say they can save any uterus...

and even past that, a matter of the doctor wanting to

preserve his reputation for being a God in this area.

So the thinking was that when they are confronted with

a case, where perhaps there is a problem they don't

want to admit it, maybe even to themselves. From what

I have seen posted here, West has this attitude in

another area...post-operative pain. He refused to

admit it could be there with his expertise!

According to DelJunco, only HE has all the right

combination of procedures to ensure a safe result. Of

course, I have a problem with that too. That just

dosen't seem right. At present, I am looking for

someone in the middle btwn one of the " hot shots " and

they ones with little or no myo experience.

--- margaretleo@... wrote:

> The New York State Department of Health has a

> website which gives information on doctors who have

> been sited for various violations. Check there.

>

> Keep in mind that any surgical procedure contains an

> element of risk. Even if this story is true you

> should not rule out myomectomy or this doctor. Also

> remember that many good doctors have been sued.

>

> I have a friend who underwent a myomectomy performed

> by West and she was very happy with the results.

> That doesn't mean he can't make mistakes, but

> overall his reputation is good. I would suggest

> making an appointment and asking him point blank

> about this story. His reaction should tell you a

> lot.

>

> Good luck.

>

__________________________________________________

March 14, 2001

I don't know about the newspaper, I don't know if it

made news. I will try to figure something out tmw,

maybe going back to the horses mouth. I'm kind of

sorry I brought it up, I guess the way I heard about

it I thought it was common knowledge and wanted to

know how these women came to terms with it and wanted

to know more about West's office, hospital, etc since

they had postivie experiences. I'll see what I can

find out tmw and let you guys know.

- B

--- Bonnie Andrukaitis

wrote:

> ,

> Would please appoint yourself.Sigh

> .I think a lot of us are interested and I think it

> needs clearing.Is the NY Times idea crazy or good?

>

> Best,

> Bonnie

>

> Belzer wrote:

>

> > Yes you all have that right....but this was

> ANOTHER

> > woman according to DelJunco. Maybe I will appoint

> > myself the one to get the details on this and post

> > them to this list, since I brought it up. It

> would be

> > interesting to know whether DelJunco and wife had

> it

> > right or not.

> >

> > - B

> > --- Donna Jung wrote:

> > > Bonnie,

> > >

> > > I think it was a hysteroscopic myomectomy. It

> was

> > > on Dateline NBC.

> > >

> > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/237039.asp

> > >

> > > Donna

> > >

> > > > Hi Hazel,

> > > > So I wasn't dreaming it-you must be in NYC or

> the

> > > area.Anyway you

> > > can think of to check who the

> > > > doctor was? I wonder how you die from too much

> > > fluid,maybe it fills

> > > the lungs.I remember a coma

> > > > patient I knew very well and one day his face

> was

> > > swollen like a

> > > basketball,it was over-hydration.But

> > > > he didn't die,maybe they got it adjusted.

> > > > Its just they are telling me that my myo would

> > > involve more rsik

> > > etc. and I am interested in all

> > > > these casualities.

> > > > Anyway

> > > > as always

> > > > Best,

> > > > Bonnie

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

March 14, 2001

I saw the dateline show. From what I remember there

was new piece of equipment being demonstrated at this

hospital and they failed to take precautions. It was

outrageous and a very unnecessary death.

- B

--- Bonnie Andrukaitis

wrote:

> Donna,

> I have a friend over at CBS cuttting for 60 Mins.

> I'll check in with her tomorrow to see if she knows

> more.How does one die from that?Its not even open

> abdominal surgery

> Best,Donna,

> Bonnie

>

> Donna Jung wrote:

>

> > Bonnie,

> >

> > I think it was a hysteroscopic myomectomy. It was

> on Dateline NBC.

> >

> > http://www.msnbc.com/news/237039.asp

> >

> > Donna

> >

> > > Hi Hazel,

> > > So I wasn't dreaming it-you must be in NYC or

> the area.Anyway you

> > can think of to check who the

> > > doctor was? I wonder how you die from too much

> fluid,maybe it fills

> > the lungs.I remember a coma

> > > patient I knew very well and one day his face

> was swollen like a

> > basketball,it was over-hydration.But

> > > he didn't die,maybe they got it adjusted.

> > > Its just they are telling me that my myo would

> involve more rsik

> > etc. and I am interested in all

> > > these casualities.

> > > Anyway

> > > as always

> > > Best,

> > > Bonnie

> >

March 14, 2001

Like I said, since I brought this up, I will get the

answer somehow tmw. Hey Bonnie, wouldn't it be funny

if we ended up roomies?

--- Bonnie Andrukaitis

wrote:

> ,

> Lots of conflicting info. tonite.I too am in the

> market for myo and of course that has to include a

> consideration of West.I wonder if anyone has the

> enrgy to get in touch with the NY Times?

> Best,

> bonnie

>

> Belzer wrote:

>

> > Nope, sorry ..... this was told to me directly by

> > DelJunco's office manager/nurse/wife and it was

> about

> > Dr. West. Post-operative bleeding, she said, due

> to

> > the fact that the " sewing up " was not done

> > meticulously enough and there were too many

> " leaky "

> > repairs to the uterus. The woman hemmorraged and

> > died, apparently you can die rather quickly

> > hemmoraging from the uterus, before anyone can

> notice

> > and/or get blood into you. I am only mentioning

> this

> > because I was considering Dr. West, and still

> might

> > consider him if I could get answers to this.

> >

> > - B

> >

> > --- swan511 wrote:

> > > Hi Bonnie,

> > > I remember that case last year where that young

> > > woman died as a result of a

> > > myomectomy and I know for a fact that was not

> Dr.

> > > West's patient. I believe

> > > she was given too much fluid during the

> procedure.

> > > Hazel

> > >

> > > Re: Re:

> Hysterectomy

> > > vs Myomectomy

> > > > >

> > > > > > --- njr@... wrote:

> > > > > > > I am 43 and had a myomectomy in

> October

> > > and I

> > > > > > > feel great(and I

> > > > > > > still have all my pieces). My surgeon

> is

> > > Dr.

> > > > > > > Stanley West, author

> > > > > > > of " The Hysterectomy Hoax " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was considering Dr. West until someone

> from

> > > > > > DelJunco's (Female Alternative Surgery)

> > > (Hufnagel's

> > > > > > " prodigy " ) told me that one of Dr. West's

> > > patients

> > > > > > DIED from post-operative bleeding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a bit surprised to see so many women

> here

> > > who

> > > > > > used West. By the way, I am new, from CA,

> so I

> > > have

> > > > > > heard all about the whole Hufnagel " No

> More

> > > > > > Hysterectomies " losing her license

> scandal....

> > > and I

> > > > > > would consider DelJunco but alas he is not

> > > even a gyn

> > > > > > nor even Board Certified.... I have heard

> from

> > > women

> > > > > > who rave about him tho. This is all so

> > > confusing!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I mean, what's a girl to think? They

> write

> > > books and

> > > > > > lose their license (Vicki Hufnagel...not

> > > spoken of

> > > > > > highly elsewhere on this site)... they

> save

> > > uteri and

> > > > > > get criticized by the vast majority of

> > > GYN's.... I

> > > > > > mean this is not exactly a picnic now is

> it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have heard UAE slammed... I have heard

> it

> > > all at

> > > > > > this point... I am just wanting to get it

> over

> > > with

> > > > > > and have a myo but at the present I am

> still

> > > trying to

> > > > > > figure out with whom!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a very large multi-fibroid uterus

> and

> > > adenoymas

> > > > > > to boot. I am 46 and so you can imagine

> the

> > > amount of

> > > > > > flak I get for wanting to save it! Oh for

> > > Pete's

> > > > > > sake.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well how's that for my intro to the group?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was wanting to ask the womem who went to

> > > West, were

> > > > > > you aware of the death when you made your

> > > decision?

> > > > > > What was your impression of him ( I do not

> > > like what I

> > > > > > have read here about his not listening

> about

> > > post-op

> > > > > > pain)? What's his office like? How about

> the

> > > > > > hospital? I personally want to go to a

> > > hospital that

> > > > > > is VERY CUSHY..... I swear if I have to go

> > > thru that I

> > > > > > want a foot rub and some ice cream (ha

> ha)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wish everyone the very best with your

> > > personal

> > > > > > situations..... and just hope you will

> all

> > > RESEARCH

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

March 14, 2001

Like I said, since I brought this up, I will get the

answer somehow tmw. Hey Bonnie, wouldn't it be funny

if we ended up roomies?

--- Bonnie Andrukaitis

wrote:

> ,

> Lots of conflicting info. tonite.I too am in the

> market for myo and of course that has to include a

> consideration of West.I wonder if anyone has the

> enrgy to get in touch with the NY Times?

> Best,

> bonnie

>

> Belzer wrote:

>

> > Nope, sorry ..... this was told to me directly by

> > DelJunco's office manager/nurse/wife and it was

> about

> > Dr. West. Post-operative bleeding, she said, due

> to

> > the fact that the " sewing up " was not done

> > meticulously enough and there were too many

> " leaky "

> > repairs to the uterus. The woman hemmorraged and

> > died, apparently you can die rather quickly

> > hemmoraging from the uterus, before anyone can

> notice

> > and/or get blood into you. I am only mentioning

> this

> > because I was considering Dr. West, and still

> might

> > consider him if I could get answers to this.

> >

> > - B

> >

> > --- swan511 wrote:

> > > Hi Bonnie,

> > > I remember that case last year where that young

> > > woman died as a result of a

> > > myomectomy and I know for a fact that was not

> Dr.

> > > West's patient. I believe

> > > she was given too much fluid during the

> procedure.

> > > Hazel

> > >

> > > Re: Re:

> Hysterectomy

> > > vs Myomectomy

> > > > >

> > > > > > --- njr@... wrote:

> > > > > > > I am 43 and had a myomectomy in

> October

> > > and I

> > > > > > > feel great(and I

> > > > > > > still have all my pieces). My surgeon

> is

> > > Dr.

> > > > > > > Stanley West, author

> > > > > > > of " The Hysterectomy Hoax " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was considering Dr. West until someone

> from

> > > > > > DelJunco's (Female Alternative Surgery)

> > > (Hufnagel's

> > > > > > " prodigy " ) told me that one of Dr. West's

> > > patients

> > > > > > DIED from post-operative bleeding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a bit surprised to see so many women

> here

> > > who

> > > > > > used West. By the way, I am new, from CA,

> so I

> > > have

> > > > > > heard all about the whole Hufnagel " No

> More

> > > > > > Hysterectomies " losing her license

> scandal....

> > > and I

> > > > > > would consider DelJunco but alas he is not

> > > even a gyn

> > > > > > nor even Board Certified.... I have heard

> from

> > > women

> > > > > > who rave about him tho. This is all so

> > > confusing!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I mean, what's a girl to think? They

> write

> > > books and

> > > > > > lose their license (Vicki Hufnagel...not

> > > spoken of

> > > > > > highly elsewhere on this site)... they

> save

> > > uteri and

> > > > > > get criticized by the vast majority of

> > > GYN's.... I

> > > > > > mean this is not exactly a picnic now is

> it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have heard UAE slammed... I have heard

> it

> > > all at

> > > > > > this point... I am just wanting to get it

> over

> > > with

> > > > > > and have a myo but at the present I am

> still

> > > trying to

> > > > > > figure out with whom!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a very large multi-fibroid uterus

> and

> > > adenoymas

> > > > > > to boot. I am 46 and so you can imagine

> the

> > > amount of

> > > > > > flak I get for wanting to save it! Oh for

> > > Pete's

> > > > > > sake.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well how's that for my intro to the group?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was wanting to ask the womem who went to

> > > West, were

> > > > > > you aware of the death when you made your

> > > decision?

> > > > > > What was your impression of him ( I do not

> > > like what I

> > > > > > have read here about his not listening

> about

> > > post-op

> > > > > > pain)? What's his office like? How about

> the

> > > > > > hospital? I personally want to go to a

> > > hospital that

> > > > > > is VERY CUSHY..... I swear if I have to go

> > > thru that I

> > > > > > want a foot rub and some ice cream (ha

> ha)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wish everyone the very best with your

> > > personal

> > > > > > situations..... and just hope you will

> all

> > > RESEARCH

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

March 14, 2001

bastard hotshots. what arrogance. the hippocratic oath should be read daily. a

requirement, not the

Wall Street Journal. I was in an ICU once when an incompetent chief of staff got

pissed because the

heart surgeon Fred did an emergency tracheotomy on his patient, a 28 year old

woman, and saved her. I

thought Fred would deck the arrogant dick. Fred said, " at least she isn't blue

now, " bastids. I'm

sorry, there is no room whatsoever for arrogance. The " hey look at me, aren't I

cool, I can do these

procedures faster than you can, " school of egoism. Sorry for the rant. But these

are our bodies!

Belzer wrote:

> I think I'll put my two cents worth in here. The way

> DelJunco's office told me was like it is a competition

> btwn the doctors who say they can save any uterus...

> and even past that, a matter of the doctor wanting to

> preserve his reputation for being a God in this area.

> So the thinking was that when they are confronted with

> a case, where perhaps there is a problem they don't

> want to admit it, maybe even to themselves. From what

> I have seen posted here, West has this attitude in

> another area...post-operative pain. He refused to

> admit it could be there with his expertise!

>

> According to DelJunco, only HE has all the right

> combination of procedures to ensure a safe result. Of

> course, I have a problem with that too. That just

> dosen't seem right. At present, I am looking for

> someone in the middle btwn one of the " hot shots " and

> they ones with little or no myo experience.

>

> --- margaretleo@... wrote:

> > The New York State Department of Health has a

> > website which gives information on doctors who have

> > been sited for various violations. Check there.

> >

> > Keep in mind that any surgical procedure contains an

> > element of risk. Even if this story is true you

> > should not rule out myomectomy or this doctor. Also

> > remember that many good doctors have been sued.

> >

> > I have a friend who underwent a myomectomy performed

> > by West and she was very happy with the results.

> > That doesn't mean he can't make mistakes, but

> > overall his reputation is good. I would suggest

> > making an appointment and asking him point blank

> > about this story. His reaction should tell you a

> > lot.

> >

> > Good luck.

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

March 14, 2001

I remember that report vividly as I had the same complication (but am alive

to talk about it!). She was having hysteroscopic resection of the fibroid,

the nurse reportedly warned the doctor that the measurement of fluid " in "

and " out " was indicating a fluid imbalance but apparently he thought he

knew better. In my case, the measurement was taken frequently and they

stopped the procedure when they felt that it was too dangerous (which is

exactly what they are supposed to do). I don't remember the name of the

doctor, but do remember it was in NY and was really freaked about it as I

felt it could have been me under less capable hands!

At 06:48 PM 3/14/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi Bonnie,

>I remember that case last year where that young woman died as a result of a

>myomectomy and I know for a fact that was not Dr. West's patient. I believe

>she was given too much fluid during the procedure.

>Hazel

>

> Re: Re: Hysterectomy vs Myomectomy

> > >

> > > > --- njr@... wrote:

> > > > > I am 43 and had a myomectomy in October and I

> > > > > feel great(and I

> > > > > still have all my pieces). My surgeon is Dr.

> > > > > Stanley West, author

> > > > > of " The Hysterectomy Hoax " .

> > > >

> > > > I was considering Dr. West until someone from

> > > > DelJunco's (Female Alternative Surgery) (Hufnagel's

> > > > " prodigy " ) told me that one of Dr. West's patients

> > > > DIED from post-operative bleeding.

> > > >

> > > > I am a bit surprised to see so many women here who

> > > > used West. By the way, I am new, from CA, so I have

> > > > heard all about the whole Hufnagel " No More

> > > > Hysterectomies " losing her license scandal.... and I

> > > > would consider DelJunco but alas he is not even a gyn

> > > > nor even Board Certified.... I have heard from women

> > > > who rave about him tho. This is all so confusing!

> > > >

> > > > I mean, what's a girl to think? They write books and

> > > > lose their license (Vicki Hufnagel...not spoken of

> > > > highly elsewhere on this site)... they save uteri and

> > > > get criticized by the vast majority of GYN's.... I

> > > > mean this is not exactly a picnic now is it?

> > > >

> > > > I have heard UAE slammed... I have heard it all at

> > > > this point... I am just wanting to get it over with

> > > > and have a myo but at the present I am still trying to

> > > > figure out with whom!

> > > >

> > > > I have a very large multi-fibroid uterus and adenoymas

> > > > to boot. I am 46 and so you can imagine the amount of

> > > > flak I get for wanting to save it! Oh for Pete's

> > > > sake.

> > > >

> > > > Well how's that for my intro to the group?

> > > >

> > > > I was wanting to ask the womem who went to West, were

> > > > you aware of the death when you made your decision?

> > > > What was your impression of him ( I do not like what I

> > > > have read here about his not listening about post-op

> > > > pain)? What's his office like? How about the

> > > > hospital? I personally want to go to a hospital that

> > > > is VERY CUSHY..... I swear if I have to go thru that I

> > > > want a foot rub and some ice cream (ha ha)!

> > > >

> > > > I wish everyone the very best with your personal

> > > > situations..... and just hope you will all RESEARCH

> > > > this thoroughly before you do anything. Seems to me

> > > > we are on the cutting edge of a major and

> > > > controversial shift in women's health care, and it is

> > > > up to us to help shape it. Kudos to the website

> > > > creator and any physician like minded.

> > > >

> > > > - (newbie)

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

March 14, 2001

Bonnie, I'm fuzzy on the details but the fluid overload causes an

electrolyte imbalance. This brings your blood pressure dangerously low--in

my case (I also had this complication) I spent the rest of the day in the

recovery room trying to get my blood pressure back up. I'm not sure how

someone dies from this, i.e. what the next step is, but that's the part I

do know.

Sydney

At 06:34 PM 3/14/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>? I wonder how you die from too much fluid,maybe it fills the lungs

March 14, 2001

Hi Bonnie,

I remember that case last year where that young woman died as a result of a

myomectomy and I know for a fact that was not Dr. West's patient. I believe

she was given too much fluid during the procedure.

Hazel

Re: Re: Hysterectomy vs Myomectomy

> >

> > > --- njr@... wrote:

> > > > I am 43 and had a myomectomy in October and I

> > > > feel great(and I

> > > > still have all my pieces). My surgeon is Dr.

> > > > Stanley West, author

> > > > of " The Hysterectomy Hoax " .

> > >

> > > I was considering Dr. West until someone from

> > > DelJunco's (Female Alternative Surgery) (Hufnagel's

> > > " prodigy " ) told me that one of Dr. West's patients

> > > DIED from post-operative bleeding.

> > >

> > > I am a bit surprised to see so many women here who

> > > used West. By the way, I am new, from CA, so I have

> > > heard all about the whole Hufnagel " No More

> > > Hysterectomies " losing her license scandal.... and I

> > > would consider DelJunco but alas he is not even a gyn

> > > nor even Board Certified.... I have heard from women

> > > who rave about him tho. This is all so confusing!

> > >

> > > I mean, what's a girl to think? They write books and

> > > lose their license (Vicki Hufnagel...not spoken of

> > > highly elsewhere on this site)... they save uteri and

> > > get criticized by the vast majority of GYN's.... I

> > > mean this is not exactly a picnic now is it?

> > >

> > > I have heard UAE slammed... I have heard it all at

> > > this point... I am just wanting to get it over with

> > > and have a myo but at the present I am still trying to

> > > figure out with whom!

> > >

> > > I have a very large multi-fibroid uterus and adenoymas

> > > to boot. I am 46 and so you can imagine the amount of

> > > flak I get for wanting to save it! Oh for Pete's

> > > sake.

> > >

> > > Well how's that for my intro to the group?

> > >

> > > I was wanting to ask the womem who went to West, were

> > > you aware of the death when you made your decision?

> > > What was your impression of him ( I do not like what I

> > > have read here about his not listening about post-op

> > > pain)? What's his office like? How about the

> > > hospital? I personally want to go to a hospital that

> > > is VERY CUSHY..... I swear if I have to go thru that I

> > > want a foot rub and some ice cream (ha ha)!

> > >

> > > I wish everyone the very best with your personal

> > > situations..... and just hope you will all RESEARCH

> > > this thoroughly before you do anything. Seems to me

> > > we are on the cutting edge of a major and

> > > controversial shift in women's health care, and it is

> > > up to us to help shape it. Kudos to the website

> > > creator and any physician like minded.

> > >

> > > - (newbie)

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

March 14, 2001

Hi Bonnie,

I remember that case last year where that young woman died as a result of a

myomectomy and I know for a fact that was not Dr. West's patient. I believe

she was given too much fluid during the procedure.

Hazel

Re: Re: Hysterectomy vs Myomectomy

> >

> > > --- njr@... wrote:

> > > > I am 43 and had a myomectomy in October and I

> > > > feel great(and I

> > > > still have all my pieces). My surgeon is Dr.

> > > > Stanley West, author

> > > > of " The Hysterectomy Hoax " .

> > >

> > > I was considering Dr. West until someone from

> > > DelJunco's (Female Alternative Surgery) (Hufnagel's

> > > " prodigy " ) told me that one of Dr. West's patients

> > > DIED from post-operative bleeding.

> > >

> > > I am a bit surprised to see so many women here who

> > > used West. By the way, I am new, from CA, so I have

> > > heard all about the whole Hufnagel " No More

> > > Hysterectomies " losing her license scandal.... and I

> > > would consider DelJunco but alas he is not even a gyn

> > > nor even Board Certified.... I have heard from women

> > > who rave about him tho. This is all so confusing!

> > >

> > > I mean, what's a girl to think? They write books and

> > > lose their license (Vicki Hufnagel...not spoken of

> > > highly elsewhere on this site)... they save uteri and

> > > get criticized by the vast majority of GYN's.... I

> > > mean this is not exactly a picnic now is it?

> > >

> > > I have heard UAE slammed... I have heard it all at

> > > this point... I am just wanting to get it over with

> > > and have a myo but at the present I am still trying to

> > > figure out with whom!

> > >

> > > I have a very large multi-fibroid uterus and adenoymas

> > > to boot. I am 46 and so you can imagine the amount of

> > > flak I get for wanting to save it! Oh for Pete's

> > > sake.

> > >

> > > Well how's that for my intro to the group?

> > >

> > > I was wanting to ask the womem who went to West, were

> > > you aware of the death when you made your decision?

> > > What was your impression of him ( I do not like what I

> > > have read here about his not listening about post-op

> > > pain)? What's his office like? How about the

> > > hospital? I personally want to go to a hospital that

> > > is VERY CUSHY..... I swear if I have to go thru that I

> > > want a foot rub and some ice cream (ha ha)!

> > >

> > > I wish everyone the very best with your personal

> > > situations..... and just hope you will all RESEARCH

> > > this thoroughly before you do anything. Seems to me

> > > we are on the cutting edge of a major and

> > > controversial shift in women's health care, and it is

> > > up to us to help shape it. Kudos to the website

> > > creator and any physician like minded.

> > >

> > > - (newbie)

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

March 14, 2001

What you want doesn't really exist. The info on my " Doctors " and

" Medical Boards " pages on my website will help you to do a fair amount

of sleuthing online....but, if you want info across all states (mind

you, a bad doc in Canada who migrates to the U.S. won't, necessarily,

have history detailed in this!) and don't mind paying a small fee, the

best service right now is:

Medi-Net

Actually, it's now called Searchpointe and the database is actually

accessible online these days. for a fee.

http://www.searchpointe.com/

Otherwise, you would need to do a state by state background check on any

doctor you want info on because most doctors are licensed in multiple

states. Just in case they lose their license in one state, it might be

possible to retain it in another. Like with Vicki Hufnagel. Lost her

license in California. Then New York. But still has her license in

Hawaii. Can't really practice the surgery she touts as her cornerstone

there though cuz she can't seem to get malpractice insurance or hospital

privileges in the state....but she's still licensed there.

The other tool is, of course, the Public Citizen (?) documents published

annually. But it too is state by state and you'd need to whole set

(about $400 or so) to verify listings for any given doc against all

states.

BTW, I wrote a post earlier on tracking down singular deaths related to

myo or hyst...but don't know where it went. Did some individual on the

list group receive it instead of the whole list group? If so, could you

forward it to the group or back to me? I didn't save it in my sent file

but would like it posted. Somewhere around 700 deaths due to hyst occur

each year. Roughly 11/10,000. Tracking down a single death from hyst

or myo is kind of pointless, in my opinion, that is.

Morbidity/mortality stats from hyst & myo are roughly the same but we

just don't hear much about any of these. Even less so with myo cuz a

whole lot less of them are performed each year. ~650,000 hysts vs.

~40,000 myos. Women die from a variety of causes -- not all of which

are the doc's fault. But, doctors are human and there is always risk

with ANY procedure.

Carla

winniebernier@... wrote:

> Thanks for the info Marsha. I just checked out Carla's site and I

> admire her

> effort as one woman who has had fibroids fighting to make a difference

> and to

> help out other women with the plague. But what I envisioned is more

> of a

> country or statewide, government owned type website where you can go

> in and

> just enter a doctor's name and statein which they practice to get a

> history

> report on them.

>

> If anyone knows of anything like this, please let me know, as I'm

> still

> trying to get any information on the doctor performing my

> surgery...Her name

> is Dr. Selick in NYC...

>

> Winnie.

March 14, 2001

What you want doesn't really exist. The info on my " Doctors " and

" Medical Boards " pages on my website will help you to do a fair amount

of sleuthing online....but, if you want info across all states (mind

you, a bad doc in Canada who migrates to the U.S. won't, necessarily,

have history detailed in this!) and don't mind paying a small fee, the

best service right now is:

Medi-Net

Actually, it's now called Searchpointe and the database is actually

accessible online these days. for a fee.

http://www.searchpointe.com/

Otherwise, you would need to do a state by state background check on any

doctor you want info on because most doctors are licensed in multiple

states. Just in case they lose their license in one state, it might be

possible to retain it in another. Like with Vicki Hufnagel. Lost her

license in California. Then New York. But still has her license in

Hawaii. Can't really practice the surgery she touts as her cornerstone

there though cuz she can't seem to get malpractice insurance or hospital

privileges in the state....but she's still licensed there.

The other tool is, of course, the Public Citizen (?) documents published

annually. But it too is state by state and you'd need to whole set

(about $400 or so) to verify listings for any given doc against all

states.

BTW, I wrote a post earlier on tracking down singular deaths related to

myo or hyst...but don't know where it went. Did some individual on the

list group receive it instead of the whole list group? If so, could you

forward it to the group or back to me? I didn't save it in my sent file

but would like it posted. Somewhere around 700 deaths due to hyst occur

each year. Roughly 11/10,000. Tracking down a single death from hyst

or myo is kind of pointless, in my opinion, that is.

Morbidity/mortality stats from hyst & myo are roughly the same but we

just don't hear much about any of these. Even less so with myo cuz a

whole lot less of them are performed each year. ~650,000 hysts vs.

~40,000 myos. Women die from a variety of causes -- not all of which

are the doc's fault. But, doctors are human and there is always risk

with ANY procedure.

Carla

winniebernier@... wrote:

> Thanks for the info Marsha. I just checked out Carla's site and I

> admire her

> effort as one woman who has had fibroids fighting to make a difference

> and to

> help out other women with the plague. But what I envisioned is more

> of a

> country or statewide, government owned type website where you can go

> in and

> just enter a doctor's name and statein which they practice to get a

> history

> report on them.

>

> If anyone knows of anything like this, please let me know, as I'm

> still

> trying to get any information on the doctor performing my

> surgery...Her name

> is Dr. Selick in NYC...

>

> Winnie.

March 14, 2001

Well, at my last consultation, in Santa , plush

office, top notch credentials.... the guy in his 50's

told me that " we do the same things here that you have

researched " . He was indignant. But when questioned,

he had not heard of harmonic scalpel, thought laser

was too much trouble to do the training for and get

certified on, and they cost too much (I'm sure he

could afford it) and he does maybe 3 myo's a year and

dislikes them and told me my only option was hyst. He

went on to say that any doctor who told me differently

was LYING to me and that I would still wake up with a

hyst....that they were just trying to get the

business.

I'm telling you some of this is just disgusting.

- B

--- GG Schaumburg wrote:

> bastard hotshots. what arrogance. the hippocratic

> oath should be read daily. a requirement, not the

> Wall Street Journal. I was in an ICU once when an

> incompetent chief of staff got pissed because the

> heart surgeon Fred did an emergency tracheotomy on

> his patient, a 28 year old woman, and saved her. I

> thought Fred would deck the arrogant dick. Fred

> said, " at least she isn't blue now, " bastids. I'm

> sorry, there is no room whatsoever for arrogance.

> The " hey look at me, aren't I cool, I can do these

> procedures faster than you can, " school of egoism.

> Sorry for the rant. But these are our bodies!

>

> Belzer wrote:

>

> > I think I'll put my two cents worth in here. The

> way

> > DelJunco's office told me was like it is a

> competition

> > btwn the doctors who say they can save any

> uterus...

> > and even past that, a matter of the doctor wanting

> to

> > preserve his reputation for being a God in this

> area.

> > So the thinking was that when they are confronted

> with

> > a case, where perhaps there is a problem they

> don't

> > want to admit it, maybe even to themselves. From

> what

> > I have seen posted here, West has this attitude in

> > another area...post-operative pain. He refused to

> > admit it could be there with his expertise!

> >

> > According to DelJunco, only HE has all the right

> > combination of procedures to ensure a safe result.

> Of

> > course, I have a problem with that too. That just

> > dosen't seem right. At present, I am looking for

> > someone in the middle btwn one of the " hot shots "

> and

> > they ones with little or no myo experience.

> >

> > --- margaretleo@... wrote:

> > > The New York State Department of Health has a

> > > website which gives information on doctors who

> have

> > > been sited for various violations. Check there.

> > >

> > > Keep in mind that any surgical procedure

> contains an

> > > element of risk. Even if this story is true you

> > > should not rule out myomectomy or this doctor.

> Also

> > > remember that many good doctors have been sued.

> > >

> > > I have a friend who underwent a myomectomy

> performed

> > > by West and she was very happy with the results.

> > > That doesn't mean he can't make mistakes, but

> > > overall his reputation is good. I would suggest

> > > making an appointment and asking him point blank

> > > about this story. His reaction should tell you a

> > > lot.

> > >

> > > Good luck.

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

March 14, 2001

Yes Celeste,

You are right.

Hazel

Re: Re:

> > Hysterectomy vs Myomectomy

> > > > >

> > > > > > --- njr@... wrote:

> > > > > > > I am 43 and had a myomectomy in October

> > and I

> > > > > > > feel great(and I

> > > > > > > still have all my pieces). My surgeon is

> > Dr.

> > > > > > > Stanley West, author

> > > > > > > of " The Hysterectomy Hoax " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was considering Dr. West until someone

> > from

> > > > > > DelJunco's (Female Alternative Surgery)

> > (Hufnagel's

> > > > > > " prodigy " ) told me that one of Dr. West's

> > patients

> > > > > > DIED from post-operative bleeding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a bit surprised to see so many women

> > here who

> > > > > > used West. By the way, I am new, from CA, so

> > I have

> > > > > > heard all about the whole Hufnagel " No More

> > > > > > Hysterectomies " losing her license

> > scandal.... and I

> > > > > > would consider DelJunco but alas he is not

> > even a gyn

> > > > > > nor even Board Certified.... I have heard

> > from women

> > > > > > who rave about him tho. This is all so

> > confusing!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I mean, what's a girl to think? They write

> > books and

> > > > > > lose their license (Vicki Hufnagel...not

> > spoken of

> > > > > > highly elsewhere on this site)... they save

> > uteri and

> > > > > > get criticized by the vast majority of

> > GYN's.... I

> > > > > > mean this is not exactly a picnic now is it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have heard UAE slammed... I have heard it

> > all at

> > > > > > this point... I am just wanting to get it

> > over with

> > > > > > and have a myo but at the present I am still

> > trying to

> > > > > > figure out with whom!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a very large multi-fibroid uterus and

> > adenoymas

> > > > > > to boot. I am 46 and so you can imagine the

> > amount of

> > > > > > flak I get for wanting to save it! Oh for

> > Pete's

> > > > > > sake.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well how's that for my intro to the group?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was wanting to ask the womem who went to

> > West, were

> > > > > > you aware of the death when you made your

> > decision?

> > > > > > What was your impression of him ( I do not

> > like what I

> > > > > > have read here about his not listening about

> > post-op

> > > > > > pain)? What's his office like? How about

> > the

> > > > > > hospital? I personally want to go to a

> > hospital that

> > > > > > is VERY CUSHY..... I swear if I have to go

> > thru that I

> > > > > > want a foot rub and some ice cream (ha ha)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wish everyone the very best with your

> > personal

> > > > > > situations..... and just hope you will all

> > RESEARCH

> > > > > > this thoroughly before you do anything.

> > Seems to me

> > > > > > we are on the cutting edge of a major and

> > > > > > controversial shift in women's health care,

> > and it is

> > > > > > up to us to help shape it. Kudos to the

> > website

> > > > > > creator and any physician like minded.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - (newbie)

> > > > > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > > > > >

March 14, 2001

Yes Celeste,

You are right.

Hazel

Re: Re:

> > Hysterectomy vs Myomectomy

> > > > >

> > > > > > --- njr@... wrote:

> > > > > > > I am 43 and had a myomectomy in October

> > and I

> > > > > > > feel great(and I

> > > > > > > still have all my pieces). My surgeon is

> > Dr.

> > > > > > > Stanley West, author

> > > > > > > of " The Hysterectomy Hoax " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was considering Dr. West until someone

> > from

> > > > > > DelJunco's (Female Alternative Surgery)

> > (Hufnagel's

> > > > > > " prodigy " ) told me that one of Dr. West's

> > patients

> > > > > > DIED from post-operative bleeding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a bit surprised to see so many women

> > here who

> > > > > > used West. By the way, I am new, from CA, so

> > I have

> > > > > > heard all about the whole Hufnagel " No More

> > > > > > Hysterectomies " losing her license

> > scandal.... and I

> > > > > > would consider DelJunco but alas he is not

> > even a gyn

> > > > > > nor even Board Certified.... I have heard

> > from women

> > > > > > who rave about him tho. This is all so

> > confusing!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I mean, what's a girl to think? They write

> > books and

> > > > > > lose their license (Vicki Hufnagel...not

> > spoken of

> > > > > > highly elsewhere on this site)... they save

> > uteri and

> > > > > > get criticized by the vast majority of

> > GYN's.... I

> > > > > > mean this is not exactly a picnic now is it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have heard UAE slammed... I have heard it

> > all at

> > > > > > this point... I am just wanting to get it

> > over with

> > > > > > and have a myo but at the present I am still

> > trying to

> > > > > > figure out with whom!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a very large multi-fibroid uterus and

> > adenoymas

> > > > > > to boot. I am 46 and so you can imagine the

> > amount of

> > > > > > flak I get for wanting to save it! Oh for

> > Pete's

> > > > > > sake.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well how's that for my intro to the group?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was wanting to ask the womem who went to

> > West, were

> > > > > > you aware of the death when you made your

> > decision?

> > > > > > What was your impression of him ( I do not

> > like what I

> > > > > > have read here about his not listening about

> > post-op

> > > > > > pain)? What's his office like? How about

> > the

> > > > > > hospital? I personally want to go to a

> > hospital that

> > > > > > is VERY CUSHY..... I swear if I have to go

> > thru that I

> > > > > > want a foot rub and some ice cream (ha ha)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wish everyone the very best with your

> > personal

> > > > > > situations..... and just hope you will all

> > RESEARCH

> > > > > > this thoroughly before you do anything.

> > Seems to me

> > > > > > we are on the cutting edge of a major and

> > > > > > controversial shift in women's health care,

> > and it is

> > > > > > up to us to help shape it. Kudos to the

> > website

> > > > > > creator and any physician like minded.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - (newbie)

> > > > > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > > > > >

March 14, 2001

Yes Celeste,

You are right.

Hazel

Re: Re:

> > Hysterectomy vs Myomectomy

> > > > >

> > > > > > --- njr@... wrote:

> > > > > > > I am 43 and had a myomectomy in October

> > and I

> > > > > > > feel great(and I

> > > > > > > still have all my pieces). My surgeon is

> > Dr.

> > > > > > > Stanley West, author

> > > > > > > of " The Hysterectomy Hoax " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was considering Dr. West until someone

> > from

> > > > > > DelJunco's (Female Alternative Surgery)

> > (Hufnagel's

> > > > > > " prodigy " ) told me that one of Dr. West's

> > patients

> > > > > > DIED from post-operative bleeding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a bit surprised to see so many women

> > here who

> > > > > > used West. By the way, I am new, from CA, so

> > I have

> > > > > > heard all about the whole Hufnagel " No More

> > > > > > Hysterectomies " losing her license

> > scandal.... and I

> > > > > > would consider DelJunco but alas he is not

> > even a gyn

> > > > > > nor even Board Certified.... I have heard

> > from women

> > > > > > who rave about him tho. This is all so

> > confusing!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I mean, what's a girl to think? They write

> > books and

> > > > > > lose their license (Vicki Hufnagel...not

> > spoken of

> > > > > > highly elsewhere on this site)... they save

> > uteri and

> > > > > > get criticized by the vast majority of

> > GYN's.... I

> > > > > > mean this is not exactly a picnic now is it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have heard UAE slammed... I have heard it

> > all at

> > > > > > this point... I am just wanting to get it

> > over with

> > > > > > and have a myo but at the present I am still

> > trying to

> > > > > > figure out with whom!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a very large multi-fibroid uterus and

> > adenoymas

> > > > > > to boot. I am 46 and so you can imagine the

> > amount of

> > > > > > flak I get for wanting to save it! Oh for

> > Pete's

> > > > > > sake.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well how's that for my intro to the group?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was wanting to ask the womem who went to

> > West, were

> > > > > > you aware of the death when you made your

> > decision?

> > > > > > What was your impression of him ( I do not

> > like what I

> > > > > > have read here about his not listening about

> > post-op

> > > > > > pain)? What's his office like? How about

> > the

> > > > > > hospital? I personally want to go to a

> > hospital that

> > > > > > is VERY CUSHY..... I swear if I have to go

> > thru that I

> > > > > > want a foot rub and some ice cream (ha ha)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wish everyone the very best with your

> > personal

> > > > > > situations..... and just hope you will all

> > RESEARCH

> > > > > > this thoroughly before you do anything.

> > Seems to me

> > > > > > we are on the cutting edge of a major and

> > > > > > controversial shift in women's health care,

> > and it is

> > > > > > up to us to help shape it. Kudos to the

> > website

> > > > > > creator and any physician like minded.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - (newbie)

> > > > > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > > > > >

March 14, 2001

Hi ,

If you could get the details of this story from Dr. DelJunco's office I

think it would be beneficial. Like I told you during my preoperative

consultation with Dr. West I specifically asked him has one of his patients

ever died as a result of surgery with him and he told me no. If this story

is not true I would hate to see Dr. West's reputation ruined.

Hazel

Re: Re: Hysterectomy

> > vs Myomectomy

> > > >

> > > > > --- njr@... wrote:

> > > > > > I am 43 and had a myomectomy in October

> > and I

> > > > > > feel great(and I

> > > > > > still have all my pieces). My surgeon is

> > Dr.

> > > > > > Stanley West, author

> > > > > > of " The Hysterectomy Hoax " .

> > > > >

> > > > > I was considering Dr. West until someone from

> > > > > DelJunco's (Female Alternative Surgery)

> > (Hufnagel's

> > > > > " prodigy " ) told me that one of Dr. West's

> > patients

> > > > > DIED from post-operative bleeding.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a bit surprised to see so many women here

> > who

> > > > > used West. By the way, I am new, from CA, so I

> > have

> > > > > heard all about the whole Hufnagel " No More

> > > > > Hysterectomies " losing her license scandal....

> > and I

> > > > > would consider DelJunco but alas he is not

> > even a gyn

> > > > > nor even Board Certified.... I have heard from

> > women

> > > > > who rave about him tho. This is all so

> > confusing!

> > > > >

> > > > > I mean, what's a girl to think? They write

> > books and

> > > > > lose their license (Vicki Hufnagel...not

> > spoken of

> > > > > highly elsewhere on this site)... they save

> > uteri and

> > > > > get criticized by the vast majority of

> > GYN's.... I

> > > > > mean this is not exactly a picnic now is it?

> > > > >

> > > > > I have heard UAE slammed... I have heard it

> > all at

> > > > > this point... I am just wanting to get it over

> > with

> > > > > and have a myo but at the present I am still

> > trying to

> > > > > figure out with whom!

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a very large multi-fibroid uterus and

> > adenoymas

> > > > > to boot. I am 46 and so you can imagine the

> > amount of

> > > > > flak I get for wanting to save it! Oh for

> > Pete's

> > > > > sake.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well how's that for my intro to the group?

> > > > >

> > > > > I was wanting to ask the womem who went to

> > West, were

> > > > > you aware of the death when you made your

> > decision?

> > > > > What was your impression of him ( I do not

> > like what I

> > > > > have read here about his not listening about

> > post-op

> > > > > pain)? What's his office like? How about the

> > > > > hospital? I personally want to go to a

> > hospital that

> > > > > is VERY CUSHY..... I swear if I have to go

> > thru that I

> > > > > want a foot rub and some ice cream (ha ha)!

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish everyone the very best with your

> > personal

> > > > > situations..... and just hope you will all

> > RESEARCH

> > > > > this thoroughly before you do anything. Seems

> > to me

> > > > > we are on the cutting edge of a major and

> > > > > controversial shift in women's health care,

> > and it is

> > > > > up to us to help shape it. Kudos to the

> > website

> > > > > creator and any physician like minded.

> > > > >

> > > > > - (newbie)

> > > > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > > > >

March 14, 2001

Hi ,

If you could get the details of this story from Dr. DelJunco's office I

think it would be beneficial. Like I told you during my preoperative

consultation with Dr. West I specifically asked him has one of his patients

ever died as a result of surgery with him and he told me no. If this story

is not true I would hate to see Dr. West's reputation ruined.

Hazel

Re: Re: Hysterectomy

> > vs Myomectomy

> > > >

> > > > > --- njr@... wrote:

> > > > > > I am 43 and had a myomectomy in October

> > and I

> > > > > > feel great(and I

> > > > > > still have all my pieces). My surgeon is

> > Dr.

> > > > > > Stanley West, author

> > > > > > of " The Hysterectomy Hoax " .

> > > > >

> > > > > I was considering Dr. West until someone from

> > > > > DelJunco's (Female Alternative Surgery)

> > (Hufnagel's

> > > > > " prodigy " ) told me that one of Dr. West's

> > patients

> > > > > DIED from post-operative bleeding.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a bit surprised to see so many women here

> > who

> > > > > used West. By the way, I am new, from CA, so I

> > have

> > > > > heard all about the whole Hufnagel " No More

> > > > > Hysterectomies " losing her license scandal....

> > and I

> > > > > would consider DelJunco but alas he is not

> > even a gyn

> > > > > nor even Board Certified.... I have heard from

> > women

> > > > > who rave about him tho. This is all so

> > confusing!

> > > > >

> > > > > I mean, what's a girl to think? They write

> > books and

> > > > > lose their license (Vicki Hufnagel...not

> > spoken of

> > > > > highly elsewhere on this site)... they save

> > uteri and

> > > > > get criticized by the vast majority of

> > GYN's.... I

> > > > > mean this is not exactly a picnic now is it?

> > > > >

> > > > > I have heard UAE slammed... I have heard it

> > all at

> > > > > this point... I am just wanting to get it over

> > with

> > > > > and have a myo but at the present I am still

> > trying to

> > > > > figure out with whom!

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a very large multi-fibroid uterus and

> > adenoymas

> > > > > to boot. I am 46 and so you can imagine the

> > amount of

> > > > > flak I get for wanting to save it! Oh for

> > Pete's

> > > > > sake.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well how's that for my intro to the group?

> > > > >

> > > > > I was wanting to ask the womem who went to

> > West, were

> > > > > you aware of the death when you made your

> > decision?

> > > > > What was your impression of him ( I do not

> > like what I

> > > > > have read here about his not listening about

> > post-op

> > > > > pain)? What's his office like? How about the

> > > > > hospital? I personally want to go to a

> > hospital that

> > > > > is VERY CUSHY..... I swear if I have to go

> > thru that I

> > > > > want a foot rub and some ice cream (ha ha)!

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish everyone the very best with your

> > personal

> > > > > situations..... and just hope you will all

> > RESEARCH

> > > > > this thoroughly before you do anything. Seems

> > to me

> > > > > we are on the cutting edge of a major and

> > > > > controversial shift in women's health care,

> > and it is

> > > > > up to us to help shape it. Kudos to the

> > website

> > > > > creator and any physician like minded.

> > > > >

> > > > > - (newbie)

> > > > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > > > >

March 14, 2001

,

In defense of Dr. West, yes he did say his patients don't have pain. Pain in

his words meaning discomfort requiring pain medication. However, you are

hooked up to a morphine pump for at least 12 hours after surgery so you can

administer your own pain medication. After you are taken off the pump you

are then prescribed pain medication which you can request from the nurse.

I had my one week post op visit with Dr. West today. He took the steri

strips off of my incision and said my incision looked good and the surgery

went well. I live in New Jersey and I travel to his office in Manhattan by

bus and train. I felt stiff and a little sore but it wasn't bad. He said I

should have no problem conceiving (I'm 36).

I find Dr. West to be a very caring and compassionate individual. Compared

to my other friends who had myomectomies with other doctors I think my

recovery is much quicker and level of pain much less.

Hazel

Re: Re: Hysterectomy vs Myomectomy

> I think I'll put my two cents worth in here. The way

> DelJunco's office told me was like it is a competition

> btwn the doctors who say they can save any uterus...

> and even past that, a matter of the doctor wanting to

> preserve his reputation for being a God in this area.

> So the thinking was that when they are confronted with

> a case, where perhaps there is a problem they don't

> want to admit it, maybe even to themselves. From what

> I have seen posted here, West has this attitude in

> another area...post-operative pain. He refused to

> admit it could be there with his expertise!

>

> According to DelJunco, only HE has all the right

> combination of procedures to ensure a safe result. Of

> course, I have a problem with that too. That just

> dosen't seem right. At present, I am looking for

> someone in the middle btwn one of the " hot shots " and

> they ones with little or no myo experience.

>

> --- margaretleo@... wrote:

> > The New York State Department of Health has a

> > website which gives information on doctors who have

> > been sited for various violations. Check there.

> >

> > Keep in mind that any surgical procedure contains an

> > element of risk. Even if this story is true you

> > should not rule out myomectomy or this doctor. Also

> > remember that many good doctors have been sued.

> >

> > I have a friend who underwent a myomectomy performed

> > by West and she was very happy with the results.

> > That doesn't mean he can't make mistakes, but

> > overall his reputation is good. I would suggest

> > making an appointment and asking him point blank

> > about this story. His reaction should tell you a

> > lot.

> >

> > Good luck.

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

March 14, 2001