Re: Early puberty becoming more common

February 12, 2001

Donna

I have a lot of respect for your research abilities and have just read the

article,however,in this

case,I am not getting the point.

What do you think of the article and what am I to surmise?

Best,

Bonnie

Donna Jung wrote:

> Here is a story of a two year old girl being prescribed lupron to

> stop precocious puberty:

>

> http://www.msnbc.com/local/wnbc/1216623.asp

>

February 12, 2001

Donna

I have a lot of respect for your research abilities and have just read the

article,however,in this

case,I am not getting the point.

What do you think of the article and what am I to surmise?

Best,

Bonnie

Donna Jung wrote:

> Here is a story of a two year old girl being prescribed lupron to

> stop precocious puberty:

>

> http://www.msnbc.com/local/wnbc/1216623.asp

>

February 12, 2001

Donna

I have a lot of respect for your research abilities and have just read the

article,however,in this

case,I am not getting the point.

What do you think of the article and what am I to surmise?

Best,

Bonnie

Donna Jung wrote:

> Here is a story of a two year old girl being prescribed lupron to

> stop precocious puberty:

>

> http://www.msnbc.com/local/wnbc/1216623.asp

>

February 12, 2001

Bonnie,

Well, I thought lupron was only supposed to be prescribed for six

months. She used it for several years. There was no mention of side

effects. Did she suffer bone loss and hot flashes? It was

interesting that there was another use for lupron.

They don't know the cause of her puberty. They said it could be

toxics in the air or chemicals. Just like we don't know why some

people get fibroids and others don't.

Donna

February 12, 2001

Bonnie,

Well, I thought lupron was only supposed to be prescribed for six

months. She used it for several years. There was no mention of side

effects. Did she suffer bone loss and hot flashes? It was

interesting that there was another use for lupron.

They don't know the cause of her puberty. They said it could be

toxics in the air or chemicals. Just like we don't know why some

people get fibroids and others don't.

Donna

February 13, 2001

From the article linked below:

" Some believe it could be hormones in the food or in milk. Other

research suggests it could be toxins in the environment or

chemicals, like PCBs or an off-shoot of the banned pesticide

DDT.

" I doubt it's the hormones in milk, " said Dr.

Rapaport of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine. "

-----------------

This is good reporting? " I doubt it's the hormones in milk " .

End of sentence, end of paragraph. Don't we deserve to know on

what evidence this doctor doubts it's the hormones in milk? Or

are we supposed to see " Dr. " in front of his name and be totally

reassured? Leonie

" Donna Jung "

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Here is a story of a two year old girl being prescribed lupron to

stop precocious puberty:

http://www.msnbc.com/local/wnbc/1216623.asp

February 13, 2001

Wow - that was my thinking exactly! I was looking for the " because... "

after that statement and it never happened.

Cori

Early puberty

02/12/01 becoming more common

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Here is a story of a two year old girl being prescribed lupron to

stop precocious puberty:

http://www.msnbc.com/local/wnbc/1216623.asp

February 13, 2001

I'm not sure it would necessarily affect her bone density. Bone

density due to estrogen deprivation seems to only appear in adult

women. Children normally have low estrogen levels. Hers were just

abnormally high.

But that brings up another issue. Why are children with higher than

normal hormone levels becoming more prevalent? Could it be related

to the fact that fibroids are becoming more prevalent?

I too wonder if it couldn't be related to hormones in milk/meat

production. Or even just in the water supply? I've forgotten the

report now but I remember reading about some teenager doing a random

analysis of the water in her area and finding very high levels of

antibiotics - the speculation being that this may add to the lowering

effectiveness of antibiotics.

All kinds of stuff is getting into our environment that may be

affecting lots of medical conditions.

So where do we go from here?

>

> > Bonnie,

> >

> > Well, I thought lupron was only supposed to be prescribed for six

> > months. She used it for several years. There was no mention of

side

> > effects. Did she suffer bone loss and hot flashes? It was

> > interesting that there was another use for lupron.

> >

> > They don't know the cause of her puberty. They said it could be

> > toxics in the air or chemicals. Just like we don't know why some

> > people get fibroids and others don't.

> >

> > Donna

> >

February 13, 2001

Bonnie Andrukaitis wrote:

> Anyway getting back to Lupron where did this all happen?

> and did they look at the causes of this like thyroid etc.

This was just a five minute health segment on the local NBC news

channel in New York City. I don't think they invested too much time

into it. What you read is probably based on the transcript of the

show.

The girl who was menstruating at two years old is white. I don't

know where she lives. Perhaps she lives in the tri-state area since

this is the local news.

February 13, 2001

Bonnie Andrukaitis wrote:

> Anyway getting back to Lupron where did this all happen?

> and did they look at the causes of this like thyroid etc.

This was just a five minute health segment on the local NBC news

channel in New York City. I don't think they invested too much time

into it. What you read is probably based on the transcript of the

show.

The girl who was menstruating at two years old is white. I don't

know where she lives. Perhaps she lives in the tri-state area since

this is the local news.

February 13, 2001

Bonnie Andrukaitis wrote:

> Anyway getting back to Lupron where did this all happen?

> and did they look at the causes of this like thyroid etc.

This was just a five minute health segment on the local NBC news

channel in New York City. I don't think they invested too much time

into it. What you read is probably based on the transcript of the

show.

The girl who was menstruating at two years old is white. I don't

know where she lives. Perhaps she lives in the tri-state area since

this is the local news.

February 13, 2001

Bonnie,

No problem.

Why was the pellets inserted into the chicken neck?

I wonder about the Tupperware and Rubbermaid that I use in

the microwave oven, and the plastic bottles that water and soda come

in . The government says it is safe, but am I hurting myself just

the same.

We should also be aware of the natural foods we eat. Some of them

contain natural plant estrogen. Since we are prone to fibroids, we

might want to avoid those foods.

I found this website that has a list of food that contains estrogen

and food that inhibits estrogen:

http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_food_and_estrogen.htm

Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

In 1995, my first mammmogram showed some calcifications and I had a

breast biopsy done. It turned out to be fibrocystic breast disease.

But it scared me. Since then, I have been using soymilk, tofu, and

other soy products. But now, it looks like I was feeding my fibroids

instead.

I am lactose intolerant, so I guess I will have to drink my coffee

and tea black, with no milk and no soymilk. But didn't they say that

black coffee and tea can cause cancer or something? I can't win.

Donna

February 13, 2001

Bonnie,

No problem.

Why was the pellets inserted into the chicken neck?

I wonder about the Tupperware and Rubbermaid that I use in

the microwave oven, and the plastic bottles that water and soda come

in . The government says it is safe, but am I hurting myself just

the same.

We should also be aware of the natural foods we eat. Some of them

contain natural plant estrogen. Since we are prone to fibroids, we

might want to avoid those foods.

I found this website that has a list of food that contains estrogen

and food that inhibits estrogen:

http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_food_and_estrogen.htm

Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

In 1995, my first mammmogram showed some calcifications and I had a

breast biopsy done. It turned out to be fibrocystic breast disease.

But it scared me. Since then, I have been using soymilk, tofu, and

other soy products. But now, it looks like I was feeding my fibroids

instead.

I am lactose intolerant, so I guess I will have to drink my coffee

and tea black, with no milk and no soymilk. But didn't they say that

black coffee and tea can cause cancer or something? I can't win.

Donna

February 13, 2001

> Regarding soy and estrogen...

Thanks for the information on soy. I know about all that. But there

is so much conflicting information out there, it is confusing.

I eat more soy than my sisters. Yet it appears that my fibroids were

bigger than theirs. I don't remember them having a big tummy like

me. Did the soy make my fibroids grow instead of inhibiting them?

I eat brown rice at home. If white rice inhibits estrogen, does

brown rice make them grow or is brown rice neutral?

At home, I drink Lipton tea, herbal tea and green tea. But if I am

in a good restaurant, I will have a cup of real coffee to go with the

real cheesecake. :-) My company offers free tea and coffee. That is

hard to resist when I am sleepy. Why can't they offer free juice?

They just want to drug us so that we will keep working there just for

the fix.

Some of you eat very healthy and exercise, yet you have fibroids.

What gives?

February 13, 2001

Bonnie Andrukaitis wrote:

> Anyway,thanks Donna.Seems like your recovery is going

> exceedingly well.

I had my second myomectomy post-op visit with Dr. West on Monday. He

gave me a brief pelvic exam and said everything is okay. The

incision will be numb for six months to a year. There is still a

little bit of oozing from a small opening in the incision. He said

to put the antibiotic ointment on it twice a day until it stops. I

asked him what else he did besides take out my fibroids, he said he

removed a cyst from my left ovary.

I still have a little bit of a tummy. Some of it is me, but some of

it is from the surgery. There is still some tightness and tenderness

which I feel when I roll over in bed otherwise nothing bothers me.

There is no restrictions on what I can do now. For the last few

weeks, I was not allowed to put anything in the vagina. Now I can

put whatever I want in it. ;-) Actually, the only thing I will put

in it is tampon. It was a mess trying to shower when I had my period

two weeks ago. The period only lasted four days. I don't remember

it being that short. It has been a long time.

Dr. West,( http://www.repmed.com ) , still have copies of his

book " The Hysterectomy Hoax " , which he sells in his office. He is in

the process of rewriting it. I don't know when he will be ready to

publish it.

Thanks,

Donna

February 13, 2001