Re: Re: Early puberty becoming more common

[Guest guest]

Did you read this about soy?

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/epidem.htm

>

>Reply-To: uterinefibroids

>To: <uterinefibroids >

>Subject: Re: Re: Early puberty becoming more common

>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:25:34 -0500

>

>Regarding soy and estrogen...

>

>According to the book " Fibroid Tumors & Endometriosis Self-Help Book "

>(

>M. Lark, M. D., copyright 1993, 1995):

>

> " Legumes. The best legumes to eat for relief of fibroid and endometriosis

>symptoms are soybeans. This includes many soy products like tofu, tempeh,

>boiled soy beans, and foods made from soy flour, like pasta. Substitute

>dairy products like soy yogurt are also available in health food stores.

> The abundant use of soybeans in the diet actually help regulate and

>lower estrogen levels in the body. This is because soy is a rich source of

>natural plant estrogens, called bioflavonoids. The bioflavonoids found in

>soybeans have a chemical structure similar to estrogen, yet is much weaker

>in potency than the estrogen made by our bodies. (Bioflavonoids have only

>1/50,000 the potency of synthetic estrogen.) Utilized in the diet,

>bioflavonoids actually compete with our body's own estrogen for binding to

>the estrogen receptors of our cells. Thus the weaker bioflavonoids can

>actually replace our own estrogen when binding to the uterus, breasts and

>other estrogen-sensitive tissue. Bioflavonoids can also help lower

>estrogen

>levels in the body by actually interfering with estrogen production.

> The use of soy foods or the use of the bioflavonoids in a purified

>form

>have ben found to help reduce bleeding problems in premenopausal women with

>fibroid tumors or who are not ovulating. Soybean use reduces the risk of

>breast cancer and can even help relieve menopausal symptoms in women who

>are

>estrogen deficient by adding an additional dietary source of this important

>hormone... "

>

>

>

>

> Re: Early puberty becoming more common

>

>

> > Bonnie,

> >

> > No problem.

> >

> > Why was the pellets inserted into the chicken neck?

> >

> > I wonder about the Tupperware and Rubbermaid that I use in

> > the microwave oven, and the plastic bottles that water and soda come

> > in . The government says it is safe, but am I hurting myself just

> > the same.

> >

> > We should also be aware of the natural foods we eat. Some of them

> > contain natural plant estrogen. Since we are prone to fibroids, we

> > might want to avoid those foods.

> >

> > I found this website that has a list of food that contains estrogen

> > and food that inhibits estrogen:

> > http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_food_and_estrogen.htm

> >

> > Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

> > carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

> >

> > What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

> > Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

> > pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

> > Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

> >

> > In 1995, my first mammmogram showed some calcifications and I had a

> > breast biopsy done. It turned out to be fibrocystic breast disease.

> > But it scared me. Since then, I have been using soymilk, tofu, and

> > other soy products. But now, it looks like I was feeding my fibroids

> > instead.

> >

> > I am lactose intolerant, so I guess I will have to drink my coffee

> > and tea black, with no milk and no soymilk. But didn't they say that

> > black coffee and tea can cause cancer or something? I can't win.

> >

> > Donna

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Donna,

CHEESCAKE!!

My opinion abt eating right and excercise and still having fibroids is this:

I believe,this is my own opinion,but I have also read things to support it,that

if the adrenals star

to work overtime because of stress,then fibroids grow.I'm telling you guys I

went from a fairly

moderately enlarged uterus to a humungus one in a couple of years because I was

caring for a very

sick brother(life and death kind of thing) All the negative things we have

experienced and which a

number of us have written abt.doctors-try to magnify this kind of thing by say

100% in the case of my

brother.So that is what I believe made them grow.The body when faced with a

threat sets up 2 defenses

and they both involve the adrenals.Those 2 responses are " fight or flight " An

unrelenting type of

stress,one you cannot solve,an unrelenting issue,that drags you down and makes

you tired and

depressed like a bad job,or a bad marriage,these also,in my opinion set up very

bad chemical

reactions in the body.So I guess we can sit at home and eat all the soy the

world produces,but if

something or someone is defeating us at another level and this is chronic then I

think things will

eventually show up.We have pre-disposition,or an Acilles Heel,except it is in

our uteri

My 2 cents

Best,

Bonnie

Donna Jung wrote:

> > Regarding soy and estrogen...

>

> Thanks for the information on soy. I know about all that. But there

> is so much conflicting information out there, it is confusing.

>

> I eat more soy than my sisters. Yet it appears that my fibroids were

> bigger than theirs. I don't remember them having a big tummy like

> me. Did the soy make my fibroids grow instead of inhibiting them?

>

> I eat brown rice at home. If white rice inhibits estrogen, does

> brown rice make them grow or is brown rice neutral?

>

> At home, I drink Lipton tea, herbal tea and green tea. But if I am

> in a good restaurant, I will have a cup of real coffee to go with the

> real cheesecake. :-) My company offers free tea and coffee. That is

> hard to resist when I am sleepy. Why can't they offer free juice?

> They just want to drug us so that we will keep working there just for

> the fix.

>

> Some of you eat very healthy and exercise, yet you have fibroids.

> What gives?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

CHEESCAKE!!

My opinion abt eating right and excercise and still having fibroids is this:

I believe,this is my own opinion,but I have also read things to support it,that

if the adrenals star

to work overtime because of stress,then fibroids grow.I'm telling you guys I

went from a fairly

moderately enlarged uterus to a humungus one in a couple of years because I was

caring for a very

sick brother(life and death kind of thing) All the negative things we have

experienced and which a

number of us have written abt.doctors-try to magnify this kind of thing by say

100% in the case of my

brother.So that is what I believe made them grow.The body when faced with a

threat sets up 2 defenses

and they both involve the adrenals.Those 2 responses are " fight or flight " An

unrelenting type of

stress,one you cannot solve,an unrelenting issue,that drags you down and makes

you tired and

depressed like a bad job,or a bad marriage,these also,in my opinion set up very

bad chemical

reactions in the body.So I guess we can sit at home and eat all the soy the

world produces,but if

something or someone is defeating us at another level and this is chronic then I

think things will

eventually show up.We have pre-disposition,or an Acilles Heel,except it is in

our uteri

My 2 cents

Best,

Bonnie

Donna Jung wrote:

> > Regarding soy and estrogen...

>

> Thanks for the information on soy. I know about all that. But there

> is so much conflicting information out there, it is confusing.

>

> I eat more soy than my sisters. Yet it appears that my fibroids were

> bigger than theirs. I don't remember them having a big tummy like

> me. Did the soy make my fibroids grow instead of inhibiting them?

>

> I eat brown rice at home. If white rice inhibits estrogen, does

> brown rice make them grow or is brown rice neutral?

>

> At home, I drink Lipton tea, herbal tea and green tea. But if I am

> in a good restaurant, I will have a cup of real coffee to go with the

> real cheesecake. :-) My company offers free tea and coffee. That is

> hard to resist when I am sleepy. Why can't they offer free juice?

> They just want to drug us so that we will keep working there just for

> the fix.

>

> Some of you eat very healthy and exercise, yet you have fibroids.

> What gives?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I strongly feel it's environmental, perticides and hormones? Are there any

really good studies going

on out there? gg

Sydney Lagier wrote:

> Well you're right about that--so frustrating!

>

> At 01:44 AM 2/14/01 +0000, you wrote:

> >Some of you eat very healthy and exercise, yet you have fibroids.

> >What gives?

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

not a bad hypothesis! I was an ER nurse with a lot of stress. The body would

need to defend itself and

if that chemical defense encourages fibroids. I wonder if there is more than one

source for the

condition. Have there any studies or stats from countries with less stress, and

less pollution? gg

Bonnie Andrukaitis wrote:

> Donna,

> CHEESCAKE!!

> My opinion abt eating right and excercise and still having fibroids is this:

> I believe,this is my own opinion,but I have also read things to support

it,that if the adrenals star

> to work overtime because of stress,then fibroids grow.I'm telling you guys I

went from a fairly

> moderately enlarged uterus to a humungus one in a couple of years because I

was caring for a very

> sick brother(life and death kind of thing) All the negative things we have

experienced and which a

> number of us have written abt.doctors-try to magnify this kind of thing by say

100% in the case of my

> brother.So that is what I believe made them grow.The body when faced with a

threat sets up 2 defenses

> and they both involve the adrenals.Those 2 responses are " fight or flight " An

unrelenting type of

> stress,one you cannot solve,an unrelenting issue,that drags you down and makes

you tired and

> depressed like a bad job,or a bad marriage,these also,in my opinion set up

very bad chemical

> reactions in the body.So I guess we can sit at home and eat all the soy the

world produces,but if

> something or someone is defeating us at another level and this is chronic then

I think things will

> eventually show up.We have pre-disposition,or an Acilles Heel,except it is in

our uteri

> My 2 cents

> Best,

> Bonnie

>

> Donna Jung wrote:

>

> > > Regarding soy and estrogen...

> >

> > Thanks for the information on soy. I know about all that. But there

> > is so much conflicting information out there, it is confusing.

> >

> > I eat more soy than my sisters. Yet it appears that my fibroids were

> > bigger than theirs. I don't remember them having a big tummy like

> > me. Did the soy make my fibroids grow instead of inhibiting them?

> >

> > I eat brown rice at home. If white rice inhibits estrogen, does

> > brown rice make them grow or is brown rice neutral?

> >

> > At home, I drink Lipton tea, herbal tea and green tea. But if I am

> > in a good restaurant, I will have a cup of real coffee to go with the

> > real cheesecake. :-) My company offers free tea and coffee. That is

> > hard to resist when I am sleepy. Why can't they offer free juice?

> > They just want to drug us so that we will keep working there just for

> > the fix.

> >

> > Some of you eat very healthy and exercise, yet you have fibroids.

> > What gives?

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

great article. gg.

deann.thomson@... wrote:

> I found this article that looks interesting on PubMed:

>

> Influence of exogenous estrogen receptor ligands on uterine

> leiomyoma: evidence from an in Vitro/in vivo animal model for uterine

> fibroids

>

> Hunter DS, Hodges LC, Eagon PK, Vonier PM, Fuchs-Young R, Bergerson

> JS, CL

>

> Department of Carcinogenesis, University of Texas M.D.

> Cancer Center, ville, Texas, USA.

>

> [Record supplied by publisher]

>

> The remarkable frequency of uterine leiomyoma in the human population

> calls into question the potential for the participation of

> environmental factors in tumor etiology. Having been implicated in

> the dramatic rise in hormone-related cancers in recent years,

> endocrine disruptors are salient suspects in this pathogenesis,

> although the mechanism by which they might participate is unclear.

> Investigations using the Eker rat model show that uterine leiomyoma

> may have an enhanced sensitivity to modulation via the estrogen

> receptor. This sensitivity could make these tumors a target for

> disruption by exogenous estrogen receptor ligands. Direct evidence

> for a pathogenic role of exogenous compounds in leiomyomas is

> lacking; however, it can be demonstrated that such diverse agents as

> organochlorine pesticides, dietary flavonoids, botanical extracts,

> and therapeutic antiestrogens have either estrogen agonist or

> antagonist function in myometrial tissues. The use of this model will

> help define the impact of exogenous estrogen receptor modulators on

> uterine leiomyoma and will permit the evaluation of strategies for

> therapeutic intervention.

>

>

> > > >Some of you eat very healthy and exercise, yet you have fibroids.

> > > >What gives?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I hadn't read it till you sent me the link I guess the key is to really eat

everything in moderation, no matter how good it is said to be at first.

There's always somebody coming along to point out the bad things. I have

high cholesterol AND fibroids, so soy has some appeal to me...but I'm also

overweight, so with the higher fat content of soy (albeit the " good " kind),

I won't be eating tons of it.

Re: Early puberty becoming more common

> >

> >

> > > Bonnie,

> > >

> > > No problem.

> > >

> > > Why was the pellets inserted into the chicken neck?

> > >

> > > I wonder about the Tupperware and Rubbermaid that I use in

> > > the microwave oven, and the plastic bottles that water and soda come

> > > in . The government says it is safe, but am I hurting myself just

> > > the same.

> > >

> > > We should also be aware of the natural foods we eat. Some of them

> > > contain natural plant estrogen. Since we are prone to fibroids, we

> > > might want to avoid those foods.

> > >

> > > I found this website that has a list of food that contains estrogen

> > > and food that inhibits estrogen:

> > > http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_food_and_estrogen.htm

> > >

> > > Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

> > > carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

> > >

> > > What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

> > > Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

> > > pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

> > > Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

> > >

> > > In 1995, my first mammmogram showed some calcifications and I had a

> > > breast biopsy done. It turned out to be fibrocystic breast disease.

> > > But it scared me. Since then, I have been using soymilk, tofu, and

> > > other soy products. But now, it looks like I was feeding my fibroids

> > > instead.

> > >

> > > I am lactose intolerant, so I guess I will have to drink my coffee

> > > and tea black, with no milk and no soymilk. But didn't they say that

> > > black coffee and tea can cause cancer or something? I can't win.

> > >

> > > Donna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

<< Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

>>

" good for fibroids " , meaning helping them grow or helping keep them from

growing??? An acupuncturist I went to see told me NOT to eat anything white

-- no white rice, bread, and no red meat.

just wondering. thanks