Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 I don't consider poppers to be anything but a great treat with beer on special parties. Why does everything have to be so boringly nutritious??? That's what's wrong here. Nobody wants to hear the righteous words we have to offer. Even I don't want to. And guess what? for my emergency stock I am planning to stock the good old velveeta. It's 5 gm pro/oz slice, shelf life of 6 months, and can be used for all textures ---- and the residents will eat it! Wake up! this is a hedonistic society we're living in, and if we make everything bland and vanilla who's going to listen? and who's going to follow? The Devil had a good marketing idea, let's steal it and gain more followers. Digna velveeta? I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So RD's are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese food " ?? I know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, but seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer than microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn chips. Scratching my head on this one, , RD LD land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 For kids in the U.S., almost half of their daily energy intake comes from 'empty calories' -- foods such as soda and pizza that have little nutritional value, researchers say. Of an average 2,200 daily calories, around 800 are attributable to solid fats or added sugars, Jill y, PhD, MPH, RD, and M. Krebs-, PhD, MPH, RD, of the National Cancer Institute, reported in the *Journal of the American Dietetic Association*. " The landscape of choices available to children and adolescents must change to provide fewer unhealthy foods and more healthy foods with less energy, " they wrote. Story, PhD, RD, of the University of Minnesota, who was not involved in the study, called it " alarming. " " When you look at the finding that 40% of total calories consumed by kids were in the form of empty calories, that's cause for great concern, " she told *MedPage Today*. She said that despite public health messages promoting the importance of good childhood nutrition, these kinds of foods are still the most abundant and available. " If you go to convenience stores or corner stores that are close to schools, [these foods] are really cheap and plentiful, " she said. " We should not be surprised by this -- we should be outraged. " More than 23 million children and adolescents are overweight or obese, leading to chronic health problems that were once relegated to adulthood. In searching for causes for the obesity epidemic, researchers have long turned their attention to the adolescent diet. For this study, y and Krebs- assessed data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) to identify the top dietary sources of energy, solid fats, and added sugars among those ages 2 to 18. They found that the top sources of energy were: - Grain desserts -- cakes, cookies, doughnuts, pies, crisps, cobblers, and granola bars -- totaling 138 calories per day - Pizza, a close second at 136 calories daily - Soda, trailing behind at 118 calories per day When adding fruit juices to the latter, the amount of energy from the sugar-sweetened beverage category rose to 173 calories. Nearly 40% of all energy consumed was in the form of empty calories, with 433 calories from solid fats and 365 from added sugars. That far exceeded federal daily recommendations on empty foods, which are limited to between 8% and 20% of daily energy depending on age. Half of those empty calories came from six foods -- soda, fruit drinks, dairy desserts, grain desserts, pizza, and whole milk. Story said this is especially concerning because early tastes often set the stage for diet later in life. " We know that eating patterns' preference for sweet and fat develop early on in life, " she told *MedPage Today*. " Eating patterns can change, but ... these foods are not benefiting kids now. " Evolutionarily, she said, humans are wired to prefer sweets and fats because they are quick sources of energy that can enhance survival. In fact, she said, breast milk is fairly sweet. But several factors, including irresponsible marketing, Story said, can further ingrain those preferences. " Food companies should be putting money toward marketing healthier foods, " she said, pointing to a recent commercial for baby carrots that attempts to market the health food as if it were junk food. Asking mom and dad to be better role models may help as well. Earlier this month, a CDC report found that two-thirds of Americans don't get the recommended serving of fruits and vegetables. (See Most Americans Skip Fruits and Vegetables<http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/22100> ) The authors noted that rankings for food in the study were limited by decisions about grouping food, frequency of consumption, and over-representation of adolescents. Mean consumption was also based on per capita rather than per-person contributions, and the analysis was based on NHANES 2003-2004 rather than later NHANES data. In an accompanying editorial, Rae-Ellen Kavey, MD, MPH, of the University of Rochester Medical Center, Rochester, N.Y., wrote that eating lots of added sugars, mostly in the form of sugar-sweetened beverages, is associated " with a constellation of cardiovascular risk factors, both independently and through the development of obesity. " " Reducing consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages should be considered a critical dietary approach to reducing cardiovascular risk in childhood. " Story said ways of accomplishing this would be through a soda tax, stronger federal policies against sugar-sweetened beverages in schools, and restrictions on marketing to children. " There are strategies out there, " she said, " for promoting healthier foods and limiting access to unhealthy ones. " *Primary source: *Journal of the American Dietetic Association Source reference: y J, Krebs- SM " Dietary sources of energy, solid fats, and added sugars among children and adolescents in the United States " *J Am Diet Assoc * 2010; 110: 1477-1484.<http://www.adajournal.org/article/S0002-8223%2810%2901189-2/abstract> *Additional source:* Journal of the American Dietetic Association Source reference: Kavey REW " How sweet it is: Sugar-sweetened beverage consumption, obesity, and cardiovascular risk in childhood " *J Am Diet Assoc *2010; 110: 1456-1460. On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Digna Cassens wrote: > > > I don't consider poppers to be anything but a great treat with beer on > special parties. Why does everything have to be so boringly nutritious??? > That's what's wrong here. Nobody wants to hear the righteous words we have > to offer. Even I don't want to. And guess what? for my emergency stock I am > planning to stock the good old velveeta. It's 5 gm pro/oz slice, shelf life > of 6 months, and can be used for all textures ---- and the residents will > eat it! > > Wake up! this is a hedonistic society we're living in, and if we make > everything bland and vanilla who's going to listen? and who's going to > follow? The Devil had a good marketing idea, let's steal it and gain more > followers. > > Digna > > > velveeta? > > I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So RD's > are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese food " ?? I > know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, but > seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer than > microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn chips. > > Scratching my head on this one, > > , RD LD > land > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 I agree with this article and the researchers conclusion. However, there's a difference bw filling up on candy bars, soda and pizza, and posting a recipe for poppers that are known to be " bar " snacks for adults. It is also still very important that if we want our message heard, we have to make it fun, popular, and not stale and preachy. Digna velveeta? >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So RD's >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese food " ?? >> I >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, but >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer than >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn chips. >> >> Scratching my head on this one, >> >> , RD LD >> land >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 BUT you can find those type of recipes everywhere but not always how to make them healthier. That is up to the Dietitians. On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Digna Cassens wrote: > > > I agree with this article and the researchers conclusion. However, there's > a > difference bw filling up on candy bars, soda and pizza, and posting a > recipe > for poppers that are known to be " bar " snacks for adults. It is also still > very important that if we want our message heard, we have to make it fun, > popular, and not stale and preachy. > > Digna > > > velveeta? > >> > >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So RD's > >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese food " ?? > > >> I > >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, but > >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > than > >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn chips. > >> > >> Scratching my head on this one, > >> > >> , RD LD > >> land > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Exactly! That's my point, . Hey, let's have a few beers and snacks, and here's a way you can make them w/o breaking the fat and calorie bank in the process. And they're yummy too. Instead of OMG OMG the sky is falling! someone is going to make poppers with Velveeta!!!! Bad kitty, bad choices. People just will continue to ignore us and walk away from our message. They'll continue to have fun with a while she licks her fingers and uses more butter and mayo. Digna velveeta? >> >> >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So >> >> RD's >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese >> >> food " ?? >> >> >> I >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, >> >> but >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer >> than >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn >> >> chips. >> >> >> >> Scratching my head on this one, >> >> >> >> , RD LD >> >> land >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Exactly! That's my point, . Hey, let's have a few beers and snacks, and here's a way you can make them w/o breaking the fat and calorie bank in the process. And they're yummy too. Instead of OMG OMG the sky is falling! someone is going to make poppers with Velveeta!!!! Bad kitty, bad choices. People just will continue to ignore us and walk away from our message. They'll continue to have fun with a while she licks her fingers and uses more butter and mayo. Digna velveeta? >> >> >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So >> >> RD's >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese >> >> food " ?? >> >> >> I >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, >> >> but >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer >> than >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn >> >> chips. >> >> >> >> Scratching my head on this one, >> >> >> >> , RD LD >> >> land >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Funny, I just had my first experience with a surveyor in LTC re: resident w/BMI in excess of 40 and why weren't we doing more to get that BMI down despite a long time BMI of >40, sedentary and other contributing factors that prevent wtloss and may even contribute to increased wt. I know all the correct answers and show great concern to provide dignity to this elderly woman.... The conversation was polite but I know the surveyor remained unconvinced that the facility (dietary dept) could not control this woman's intakes. We will see how the report goes down. I held my ground about not asking the doc to order a low calorie diet and maintain a lower calorie diet from the dietary dept will not meet nutritional needs and may contribute to malnutrition because she will fill up on empty calories outside the meal plan offered. RR > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I don't consider poppers to be anything but a great treat with beer on > >> >> special parties. Why does everything have to be so boringly > >> nutritious??? > >> >> That's what's wrong here. Nobody wants to hear the righteous words we > >> >> have > >> >> to offer. Even I don't want to. And guess what? for my emergency stock > >> >> I > >> > >> >> am > >> >> planning to stock the good old velveeta. It's 5 gm pro/oz slice, shelf > >> >> life > >> >> of 6 months, and can be used for all textures ---- and the residents > >> will > >> >> eat it! > >> >> > >> >> Wake up! this is a hedonistic society we're living in, and if we make > >> >> everything bland and vanilla who's going to listen? and who's going to > >> >> follow? The Devil had a good marketing idea, let's steal it and gain > >> more > >> >> followers. > >> >> > >> >> Digna > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> velveeta? > >> >> > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > >> >> RD's > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > >> >> food " ?? > >> > >> >> I > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > >> >> but > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > >> than > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > >> >> chips. > >> >> > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > >> >> > >> >> , RD LD > >> >> land > >> >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 I've encoutered the same problems during surveys, even when the resident has stated satisfaction with current weight and no desire to change it. Besides the fact that in the elderly and very old population we gain nothing from forcing weight loss, and increase risk of skin breakdown, falls, fractures and dehydration. The facility where my mother lives loves to have residents on no concentrated sweets diets. Nursing and the medical director have about 80% of the population on this restriction. I don't do clincal work there any longer, but have insisted for years that they're not gaining anything and there are better ways to provide sufficient nutrients while still controlling weight status. When the medical director who is my mother's MD ordered a fasting glucose for her - no symptoms, stable weight, no reason except he does them routinely??? - I immediately left him a note on the chart that I didn't want her on any type of restriction. This last 30 days she gained 4.5 lbs (124 to 127.5) and I again refused any restriction; I asked nursing to stop making her take her meds with 2 cal med pass and instead give her an 8 oz glass of ice water, which she needs much more than a 2 cal med pass. I also asked them to stop the enriched milk and give her regular milk (no 2% - we grew up with fresh milk fro the farm and she doesn't like low fat). I also asked them to increase her ambulation so she will spend a bit more energy. Why can't we all use more common sense? My mom is so happy not to have to drink that 2 cal yukk any longer! velveeta? > >> >> > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > >> >> RD's > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > >> >> food " ?? > >> > >> >> I > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > >> >> but > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > >> than > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > >> >> chips. > >> >> > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > >> >> > >> >> , RD LD > >> >> land > >> >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 I love all your answers. Velveeta is used because it melts nicely, it does not curdle like real cheddar. We also tend to forget history. I believe there are food historians. Margarine was invented as a substitute for butter that went rancid for our troops. It is hard to get 4000 calories a day without fat. Napoleon wanted a way to store and transport food for his troops, hence canned goods. Maricale Whip was in response to the depression and as a substitute for expensive Mayonnaise. Powdered creamer enabled the orthodox to have a " cream " in their coffee. Freeze dried food from NASA and heaven knows what the scientist at Naneck are thinking up next to feed our troops that will soon appear in our stores. Then let's not forget the most famous food scientist of all Booker T Washington and all the foods and things he developed using the lowly peanut, in response to a poor widow's problem, what to do with the peanut crop that renewed her soil for other crops. We tend to look down on many of these foods forgetting that they are not junk food but food responses to the needs of the time. We in the USA have the cheapest food some of the safest food and a seemly endless food supply, yet we are some of the poorest nourished, fattest and wasteful in the world. A nurse years ago was appalled that I hunted and shot the meat I ate. As then, as now I still know the health of the animal, how it died, how long before it hit my table and was butchered. Believe me I fully appreciate the animal who gave me the meat I eat. How many of you really know anything about the food you eat. If you don't believe in eating meat think about the vegetables you eat and where they come from. Nutritional value lower then 20 years ago unless you buy organic and with genticly altered crops it will get worse with time. Believe me nutrition is not the reason for the GMO crops if it is even thought of at all, scary. Good eating, let the guys have nachos and poppers in peace. it is more important that they heal from what they saw and what ever happened over there then having the Food Police and our profession taking the comfort out out of their recovery. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham AK > Funny, I just had my first experience with a surveyor in LTC re: resident w/BMI in excess of 40 and why weren't we doing more to get that BMI down despite a long time BMI of >40, sedentary and other contributing factors that prevent wtloss and may even contribute to increased wt. I know all the correct answers and show great concern to provide dignity to this elderly woman.... > The conversation was polite but I know the surveyor remained unconvinced that the facility (dietary dept) could not control this woman's intakes. > We will see how the report goes down. I held my ground about not asking the doc to order a low calorie diet and maintain a lower calorie diet from the dietary dept will not meet nutritional needs and may contribute to malnutrition because she will fill up on empty calories outside the meal plan offered. RR > > > > > > Exactly! That's my point, . > > > > Hey, let's have a few beers and snacks, and here's a way you can make them > > w/o breaking the fat and calorie bank in the process. And they're yummy too. > > Instead of OMG OMG the sky is falling! someone is going to make poppers with > > Velveeta!!!! Bad kitty, bad choices. People just will continue to ignore us > > and walk away from our message. They'll continue to have fun with a > > while she licks her fingers and uses more butter and mayo. > > > > Digna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 I love all your answers. Velveeta is used because it melts nicely, it does not curdle like real cheddar. We also tend to forget history. I believe there are food historians. Margarine was invented as a substitute for butter that went rancid for our troops. It is hard to get 4000 calories a day without fat. Napoleon wanted a way to store and transport food for his troops, hence canned goods. Maricale Whip was in response to the depression and as a substitute for expensive Mayonnaise. Powdered creamer enabled the orthodox to have a " cream " in their coffee. Freeze dried food from NASA and heaven knows what the scientist at Naneck are thinking up next to feed our troops that will soon appear in our stores. Then let's not forget the most famous food scientist of all Booker T Washington and all the foods and things he developed using the lowly peanut, in response to a poor widow's problem, what to do with the peanut crop that renewed her soil for other crops. We tend to look down on many of these foods forgetting that they are not junk food but food responses to the needs of the time. We in the USA have the cheapest food some of the safest food and a seemly endless food supply, yet we are some of the poorest nourished, fattest and wasteful in the world. A nurse years ago was appalled that I hunted and shot the meat I ate. As then, as now I still know the health of the animal, how it died, how long before it hit my table and was butchered. Believe me I fully appreciate the animal who gave me the meat I eat. How many of you really know anything about the food you eat. If you don't believe in eating meat think about the vegetables you eat and where they come from. Nutritional value lower then 20 years ago unless you buy organic and with genticly altered crops it will get worse with time. Believe me nutrition is not the reason for the GMO crops if it is even thought of at all, scary. Good eating, let the guys have nachos and poppers in peace. it is more important that they heal from what they saw and what ever happened over there then having the Food Police and our profession taking the comfort out out of their recovery. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham AK > Funny, I just had my first experience with a surveyor in LTC re: resident w/BMI in excess of 40 and why weren't we doing more to get that BMI down despite a long time BMI of >40, sedentary and other contributing factors that prevent wtloss and may even contribute to increased wt. I know all the correct answers and show great concern to provide dignity to this elderly woman.... > The conversation was polite but I know the surveyor remained unconvinced that the facility (dietary dept) could not control this woman's intakes. > We will see how the report goes down. I held my ground about not asking the doc to order a low calorie diet and maintain a lower calorie diet from the dietary dept will not meet nutritional needs and may contribute to malnutrition because she will fill up on empty calories outside the meal plan offered. RR > > > > > > Exactly! That's my point, . > > > > Hey, let's have a few beers and snacks, and here's a way you can make them > > w/o breaking the fat and calorie bank in the process. And they're yummy too. > > Instead of OMG OMG the sky is falling! someone is going to make poppers with > > Velveeta!!!! Bad kitty, bad choices. People just will continue to ignore us > > and walk away from our message. They'll continue to have fun with a > > while she licks her fingers and uses more butter and mayo. > > > > Digna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Well said, Jackie. When I've had Velveeta (very infrequently--like years apart!) I never felt like it was ruining my health which comes from my overall healthy diet. Diane Preves, M.S., R.D. N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE) www.newlifeforhealth.com e-mail: newlife4health@..., newlife@... Re: Re: velveeta? I love all your answers. Velveeta is used because it melts nicely, it does not curdle like real cheddar. We also tend to forget history. I believe there are food historians. Margarine was invented as a substitute for butter that went rancid for our troops. It is hard to get 4000 calories a day without fat. Napoleon wanted a way to store and transport food for his troops, hence canned goods. Maricale Whip was in response to the depression and as a substitute for expensive Mayonnaise. Powdered creamer enabled the orthodox to have a " cream " in their coffee. Freeze dried food from NASA and heaven knows what the scientist at Naneck are thinking up next to feed our troops that will soon appear in our stores. Then let's not forget the most famous food scientist of all Booker T Washington and all the foods and things he developed using the lowly peanut, in response to a poor widow's problem, what to do with the peanut crop that renewed her soil for other crops. We tend to look down on many of these foods forgetting that they are not junk food but food responses to the needs of the time. We in the USA have the cheapest food some of the safest food and a seemly endless food supply, yet we are some of the poorest nourished, fattest and wasteful in the world. A nurse years ago was appalled that I hunted and shot the meat I ate. As then, as now I still know the health of the animal, how it died, how long before it hit my table and was butchered. Believe me I fully appreciate the animal who gave me the meat I eat. How many of you really know anything about the food you eat. If you don't believe in eating meat think about the vegetables you eat and where they come from. Nutritional value lower then 20 years ago unless you buy organic and with genticly altered crops it will get worse with time. Believe me nutrition is not the reason for the GMO crops if it is even thought of at all, scary. Good eating, let the guys have nachos and poppers in peace. it is more important that they heal from what they saw and what ever happened over there then having the Food Police and our profession taking the comfort out out of their recovery. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham AK > Funny, I just had my first experience with a surveyor in LTC re: resident w/BMI in excess of 40 and why weren't we doing more to get that BMI down despite a long time BMI of >40, sedentary and other contributing factors that prevent wtloss and may even contribute to increased wt. I know all the correct answers and show great concern to provide dignity to this elderly woman.... > The conversation was polite but I know the surveyor remained unconvinced that the facility (dietary dept) could not control this woman's intakes. > We will see how the report goes down. I held my ground about not asking the doc to order a low calorie diet and maintain a lower calorie diet from the dietary dept will not meet nutritional needs and may contribute to malnutrition because she will fill up on empty calories outside the meal plan offered. RR > > > > > > Exactly! That's my point, . > > > > Hey, let's have a few beers and snacks, and here's a way you can make them > > w/o breaking the fat and calorie bank in the process. And they're yummy too. > > Instead of OMG OMG the sky is falling! someone is going to make poppers with > > Velveeta!!!! Bad kitty, bad choices. People just will continue to ignore us > > and walk away from our message. They'll continue to have fun with a > > while she licks her fingers and uses more butter and mayo. > > > > Digna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 What happened to a resident's right to refuse, a resident's involvement in the careplan. I was a surveyor for a long time, and that was very important. That it wasn't up to " dietary " to restrict everybody all the time. Don't tell me that surveys have gone back in time? Were these the teams with only nurses? As for pizza, I think my husband and I make a very healthy pizza, and I wouldn't automatically blacklist pizza as a healthy menu item. But, that's just me. By the way, my husband likes velveeta. But, I really got tired of it, for all the costsavings. Colleen V. Serrada, MS, RD, LD > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> I don't consider poppers to be anything but a great treat with beer on > > >> >> special parties. Why does everything have to be so boringly > > >> nutritious??? > > >> >> That's what's wrong here. Nobody wants to hear the righteous words we > > >> >> have > > >> >> to offer. Even I don't want to. And guess what? for my emergency stock > > >> >> I > > >> > > >> >> am > > >> >> planning to stock the good old velveeta. It's 5 gm pro/oz slice, shelf > > >> >> life > > >> >> of 6 months, and can be used for all textures ---- and the residents > > >> will > > >> >> eat it! > > >> >> > > >> >> Wake up! this is a hedonistic society we're living in, and if we make > > >> >> everything bland and vanilla who's going to listen? and who's going to > > >> >> follow? The Devil had a good marketing idea, let's steal it and gain > > >> more > > >> >> followers. > > >> >> > > >> >> Digna > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> velveeta? > > >> >> > > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > > >> >> RD's > > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > > >> >> food " ?? > > >> > > >> >> I > > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > > >> >> but > > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > > >> than > > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > > >> >> chips. > > >> >> > > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > > >> >> > > >> >> , RD LD > > >> >> land > > >> >> > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 What happened to a resident's right to refuse, a resident's involvement in the careplan. I was a surveyor for a long time, and that was very important. That it wasn't up to " dietary " to restrict everybody all the time. Don't tell me that surveys have gone back in time? Were these the teams with only nurses? As for pizza, I think my husband and I make a very healthy pizza, and I wouldn't automatically blacklist pizza as a healthy menu item. But, that's just me. By the way, my husband likes velveeta. But, I really got tired of it, for all the costsavings. Colleen V. Serrada, MS, RD, LD > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> I don't consider poppers to be anything but a great treat with beer on > > >> >> special parties. Why does everything have to be so boringly > > >> nutritious??? > > >> >> That's what's wrong here. Nobody wants to hear the righteous words we > > >> >> have > > >> >> to offer. Even I don't want to. And guess what? for my emergency stock > > >> >> I > > >> > > >> >> am > > >> >> planning to stock the good old velveeta. It's 5 gm pro/oz slice, shelf > > >> >> life > > >> >> of 6 months, and can be used for all textures ---- and the residents > > >> will > > >> >> eat it! > > >> >> > > >> >> Wake up! this is a hedonistic society we're living in, and if we make > > >> >> everything bland and vanilla who's going to listen? and who's going to > > >> >> follow? The Devil had a good marketing idea, let's steal it and gain > > >> more > > >> >> followers. > > >> >> > > >> >> Digna > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> velveeta? > > >> >> > > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > > >> >> RD's > > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > > >> >> food " ?? > > >> > > >> >> I > > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > > >> >> but > > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > > >> than > > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > > >> >> chips. > > >> >> > > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > > >> >> > > >> >> , RD LD > > >> >> land > > >> >> > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 What happened to a resident's right to refuse, a resident's involvement in the careplan. I was a surveyor for a long time, and that was very important. That it wasn't up to " dietary " to restrict everybody all the time. Don't tell me that surveys have gone back in time? Were these the teams with only nurses? As for pizza, I think my husband and I make a very healthy pizza, and I wouldn't automatically blacklist pizza as a healthy menu item. But, that's just me. By the way, my husband likes velveeta. But, I really got tired of it, for all the costsavings. Colleen V. Serrada, MS, RD, LD > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> I don't consider poppers to be anything but a great treat with beer on > > >> >> special parties. Why does everything have to be so boringly > > >> nutritious??? > > >> >> That's what's wrong here. Nobody wants to hear the righteous words we > > >> >> have > > >> >> to offer. Even I don't want to. And guess what? for my emergency stock > > >> >> I > > >> > > >> >> am > > >> >> planning to stock the good old velveeta. It's 5 gm pro/oz slice, shelf > > >> >> life > > >> >> of 6 months, and can be used for all textures ---- and the residents > > >> will > > >> >> eat it! > > >> >> > > >> >> Wake up! this is a hedonistic society we're living in, and if we make > > >> >> everything bland and vanilla who's going to listen? and who's going to > > >> >> follow? The Devil had a good marketing idea, let's steal it and gain > > >> more > > >> >> followers. > > >> >> > > >> >> Digna > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> velveeta? > > >> >> > > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > > >> >> RD's > > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > > >> >> food " ?? > > >> > > >> >> I > > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > > >> >> but > > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > > >> than > > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > > >> >> chips. > > >> >> > > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > > >> >> > > >> >> , RD LD > > >> >> land > > >> >> > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Sorry Digna - misunderstood... On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Digna Cassens wrote: > > > Exactly! That's my point, . > > Hey, let's have a few beers and snacks, and here's a way you can make them > w/o breaking the fat and calorie bank in the process. And they're yummy > too. > Instead of OMG OMG the sky is falling! someone is going to make poppers > with > Velveeta!!!! Bad kitty, bad choices. People just will continue to ignore us > > and walk away from our message. They'll continue to have fun with a > while she licks her fingers and uses more butter and mayo. > > > Digna > > velveeta? > >> >> > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > >> >> RD's > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > >> >> food " ?? > >> > >> >> I > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > >> >> but > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > >> than > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > >> >> chips. > >> >> > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > >> >> > >> >> , RD LD > >> >> land > >> >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Sorry Digna - misunderstood... On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Digna Cassens wrote: > > > Exactly! That's my point, . > > Hey, let's have a few beers and snacks, and here's a way you can make them > w/o breaking the fat and calorie bank in the process. And they're yummy > too. > Instead of OMG OMG the sky is falling! someone is going to make poppers > with > Velveeta!!!! Bad kitty, bad choices. People just will continue to ignore us > > and walk away from our message. They'll continue to have fun with a > while she licks her fingers and uses more butter and mayo. > > > Digna > > velveeta? > >> >> > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > >> >> RD's > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > >> >> food " ?? > >> > >> >> I > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > >> >> but > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > >> than > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > >> >> chips. > >> >> > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > >> >> > >> >> , RD LD > >> >> land > >> >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 yup. nurses only. I will let you all know if more comes of it. > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I don't consider poppers to be anything but a great treat with beer on > > > >> >> special parties. Why does everything have to be so boringly > > > >> nutritious??? > > > >> >> That's what's wrong here. Nobody wants to hear the righteous words we > > > >> >> have > > > >> >> to offer. Even I don't want to. And guess what? for my emergency stock > > > >> >> I > > > >> > > > >> >> am > > > >> >> planning to stock the good old velveeta. It's 5 gm pro/oz slice, shelf > > > >> >> life > > > >> >> of 6 months, and can be used for all textures ---- and the residents > > > >> will > > > >> >> eat it! > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Wake up! this is a hedonistic society we're living in, and if we make > > > >> >> everything bland and vanilla who's going to listen? and who's going to > > > >> >> follow? The Devil had a good marketing idea, let's steal it and gain > > > >> more > > > >> >> followers. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Digna > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> velveeta? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > > > >> >> RD's > > > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > > > >> >> food " ?? > > > >> > > > >> >> I > > > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > > > >> >> but > > > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > > > >> than > > > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > > > >> >> chips. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> , RD LD > > > >> >> land > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 yup. nurses only. I will let you all know if more comes of it. > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I don't consider poppers to be anything but a great treat with beer on > > > >> >> special parties. Why does everything have to be so boringly > > > >> nutritious??? > > > >> >> That's what's wrong here. Nobody wants to hear the righteous words we > > > >> >> have > > > >> >> to offer. Even I don't want to. And guess what? for my emergency stock > > > >> >> I > > > >> > > > >> >> am > > > >> >> planning to stock the good old velveeta. It's 5 gm pro/oz slice, shelf > > > >> >> life > > > >> >> of 6 months, and can be used for all textures ---- and the residents > > > >> will > > > >> >> eat it! > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Wake up! this is a hedonistic society we're living in, and if we make > > > >> >> everything bland and vanilla who's going to listen? and who's going to > > > >> >> follow? The Devil had a good marketing idea, let's steal it and gain > > > >> more > > > >> >> followers. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Digna > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> velveeta? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > > > >> >> RD's > > > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > > > >> >> food " ?? > > > >> > > > >> >> I > > > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > > > >> >> but > > > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > > > >> than > > > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > > > >> >> chips. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> , RD LD > > > >> >> land > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 To what article are you referring ? > > > >> >> velveeta? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > > > >> >> RD's > > > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > > > >> >> food " ?? > > > >> > > > >> >> I > > > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > > > >> >> but > > > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > > > >> than > > > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > > > >> >> chips. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> , RD LD > > > >> >> land > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ortiz, MS, RD > > > > *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com> > > > > Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition > > > > > > > > * " Older Dietitians " - seasoned to PERFECTION** > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 I think it was actually a casual post about methods of preparing poppers adn not an article. Much ado about nothing, as the Great Bard once wrote. velveeta? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > > > >> >> RD's > > > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > > > >> >> food " ?? > > > >> > > > >> >> I > > > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > > > >> >> but > > > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > > > >> than > > > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > > > >> >> chips. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> , RD LD > > > >> >> land > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ortiz, MS, RD > > > > *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com> > > > > Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition > > > > > > > > * " Older Dietitians " - seasoned to PERFECTION** > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 I think it was actually a casual post about methods of preparing poppers adn not an article. Much ado about nothing, as the Great Bard once wrote. velveeta? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > > > >> >> RD's > > > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > > > >> >> food " ?? > > > >> > > > >> >> I > > > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > > > >> >> but > > > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > > > >> than > > > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > > > >> >> chips. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> , RD LD > > > >> >> land > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ortiz, MS, RD > > > > *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com> > > > > Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition > > > > > > > > * " Older Dietitians " - seasoned to PERFECTION** > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 I think it was actually a casual post about methods of preparing poppers adn not an article. Much ado about nothing, as the Great Bard once wrote. velveeta? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So > > > >> >> RD's > > > >> >> are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese > > > >> >> food " ?? > > > >> > > > >> >> I > > > >> >> know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, > > > >> >> but > > > >> >> seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer > > > >> than > > > >> >> microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn > > > >> >> chips. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Scratching my head on this one, > > > >> >> > > > >> >> , RD LD > > > >> >> land > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ortiz, MS, RD > > > > *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com> > > > > Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition > > > > > > > > * " Older Dietitians " - seasoned to PERFECTION** > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 , I'm not sure if this article is in response to my post, but thanks for posting it. I agree, child nutrition is in a sad state of affairs. > > > > > > > I don't consider poppers to be anything but a great treat with beer on > > special parties. Why does everything have to be so boringly nutritious??? > > That's what's wrong here. Nobody wants to hear the righteous words we have > > to offer. Even I don't want to. And guess what? for my emergency stock I am > > planning to stock the good old velveeta. It's 5 gm pro/oz slice, shelf life > > of 6 months, and can be used for all textures ---- and the residents will > > eat it! > > > > Wake up! this is a hedonistic society we're living in, and if we make > > everything bland and vanilla who's going to listen? and who's going to > > follow? The Devil had a good marketing idea, let's steal it and gain more > > followers. > > > > Digna > > > > > > velveeta? > > > > I had to read this three times to make sure I was reading right. So RD's > > are now encouraging and teaching others to use " processed cheese food " ?? I > > know this is for tailgating soldiers, and supposed to be party food, but > > seriously...there has to be something more nutritious RD's can offer than > > microwaving some velveeta in canned milk and pouring it over corn chips. > > > > Scratching my head on this one, > > > > , RD LD > > land > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 : I definitely didn't mean you are boring, nor your message since I don't know you or have every had a conversation with you. I think the discussion evolved, like they often do, from a criticism of using Velveeta in poppers to delivering our message in an appetizing, attractive and fun way rather that all the adjectives you quote me as saying. Even at my work people think I'm the food police, and report their eating to me during the meetings when lunch is served. " I didn't take too many carbs, I'll skip dessert, I'll only eat the salad and nibble on a piece of fruit, I didn't have breakfast so I could have lunch " , then their eyes open wide when they see what I have on my plate. Some even comment on it, thinking I appreciate being critizised for eating the food that's offered. What they don't take note of is the things I don't put on the plate, since I do it quietly. I hate being considered the food police and never harp at others about what they can't and shouldn't eat. You seem pretty much the same. I still plan to stock Velveeta the original in the yellow box for the emergency food supply, and figure out what to do with it twice a year when we have to rotate it into our regular stock and replace it with new product. Cheese sauce for the fortified foods residents is my only idea right now. I love fresh foods too and am fortunate enough to have a husband and g/son who are like me, avid gardeners. This year we planted 36 tomato varieties and gorged on tomatoes for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I also made fresh sauce for pasta and a killer tomato bisque and cream of tomato soup - yep! real heavy cream in it too. Yum. My flabby belly and high cholesterol don't allow the ice cream I'd love to eat, nor the cheese. My eggs are home-grown and out of our own chickens, so I know how they're fed and eat them whenever I want one. That's as close as I get to hunting. My husband's father and second son hunted for all their meat in Louisiana, and also fished it out of lakes and rivers every year. That was their mainstay, and his mother prepared it really well. So I'm sure Jackie is enjoying delicious game too. Digna velveeta? Wow- Boringly nutritious, bland, preachy, and stale are the exact opposite of what I stand for and promote! That was the polar opposite of the point I was making. I'm sorry if I was unclear. In fact, anyone who knows me knows that I LOVE food, eating, flavor, cooking, and fresh foods! Here we eat our treats for sure, and also lots of fresh butter, just-harvested local fruits and vegetables, whole, fresh milk, yogurt, cheese, ice cream, farm fresh eggs, honey, and baked goods made from all those delicious ingredients. (and yes, my kids even eat candy, too) I am the " renegade " dietitian who spends a lot of time undoing the low-cal, low-fat, low salt, processed, fake, " diet " food advice people have gotten from other RD's and encourages people to eat REAL FOOD, real fats, real salt, real sweeteners, and savor it. So a fat-phobe and fun food hater I am definitely not. The notion that not using processed foods and/or eating healthy makes life bland and boring and flavorless is a huge misconception that the public has, and I'm sorry to hear that some nutrition professionals have similar feelings. As an RD, I love to think about, talk about, and eat the amazingly flavorful, gorgeous variety of REAL FOODS out there (that just happen to be nutritious, too ! I personally would be embarrassed to use my RD credential and stand up in front of a group and tell them to microwave some processed " cheez " and pour it on corn chips (and presumably be paid to do so.) Anyone can google a processed food recipe and make it. How does that take a " nutrition expert " ? The whole point of an RD, I assumed, was to make food fun, delicious, and creative, that also happens to be healthy. Jackie- I think it's awesome that you hunt your own meat and show such respect toward it. I teach my kids the same, and we visit the farms where our food comes from and they have a full understanding of what meat is and how it gets to our table. I am always encouraging others to do the same. I wish more people had an interest and understanding of what it takes to grow and transport food. Interesting historical notes as well. I love history, including food history, but also feel that just because something convenient or ingenious was invented, doesn't mean it's necessarily a great thing to be eating. Thanks for the interesting discussion, RD LD land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 , Thank you for your wonderful note. I read it while I was eating a wheat free dairy free chocolate sandwich cookie ( I am wheat free and my children are vegan)  and drinking a  cup of green tea. I know that the old 'all foods fit' and 'there is no such thing as a bad food' are not popular. My children all belong to CSA's and take their children to the sources. The ones who have land around their homes have vegetable gardens and fruit trees. They also have ice cream, cookies and chips in their lives. When my children were younger they would tease me " we're going to tell everyone what is in your pocket book...candy wrappers! " I eat a healthy diet and do not deny myself the treats. I think that the low fat craze is partly responsible for the obesity epidemic...I have friends who eat fat free cookies and have to have 10+ to satisfy themselves, I have 2 of my 'oreos' and that is enough. When I am cooking just for my husband and myself it is butter...when the children are here is is dairy free margarine and olive oil. A balanced diet still works. I bake frequently and keep the freezer up to date with cookies and bars. RD's seem to not always have a sense of humor. I think Jackie was talking about our soldiers who are recuperating and need 'comfort' foods. Nothing wrong with that in my humble opinion. Got to go...my husband just brought me my evening vodka with a slice of lime. Madalyn Friedberg, RD CDN  ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:18:27 PM Subject: velveeta?  Wow- Boringly nutritious, bland, preachy, and stale are the exact opposite of what I stand for and promote! That was the polar opposite of the point I was making. I'm sorry if I was unclear. In fact, anyone who knows me knows that I LOVE food, eating, flavor, cooking, and fresh foods! Here we eat our treats for sure, and also lots of fresh butter, just-harvested local fruits and vegetables, whole, fresh milk, yogurt, cheese, ice cream, farm fresh eggs, honey, and baked goods made from all those delicious ingredients. (and yes, my kids even eat candy, too) I am the " renegade " dietitian who spends a lot of time undoing the low-cal, low-fat, low salt, processed, fake, " diet " food advice people have gotten from other RD's and encourages people to eat REAL FOOD, real fats, real salt, real sweeteners, and savor it. So a fat-phobe and fun food hater I am definitely not. The notion that not using processed foods and/or eating healthy makes life bland and boring and flavorless is a huge misconception that the public has, and I'm sorry to hear that some nutrition professionals have similar feelings. As an RD, I love to think about, talk about, and eat the amazingly flavorful, gorgeous variety of REAL FOODS out there (that just happen to be nutritious, too ! I personally would be embarrassed to use my RD credential and stand up in front of a group and tell them to microwave some processed " cheez " and pour it on corn chips (and presumably be paid to do so.) Anyone can google a processed food recipe and make it. How does that take a " nutrition expert " ? The whole point of an RD, I assumed, was to make food fun, delicious, and creative, that also happens to be healthy. Jackie- I think it's awesome that you hunt your own meat and show such respect toward it. I teach my kids the same, and we visit the farms where our food comes from and they have a full understanding of what meat is and how it gets to our table. I am always encouraging others to do the same. I wish more people had an interest and understanding of what it takes to grow and transport food. Interesting historical notes as well. I love history, including food history, but also feel that just because something convenient or ingenious was invented, doesn't mean it's necessarily a great thing to be eating. Thanks for the interesting discussion, RD LD land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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