Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

[Guest guest]

Again, well said, Pam. I think judgment comes towards those who have an

" entitlement " attitude instead of a thankful attitude. Sure wish we wouldn't be

calling federally-funded programs " entitlement programs " !

Diane Preves

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>>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

>>>>>> bridgecard. It

>>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

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>>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

>>>>>> is a

>>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

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>>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

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>>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

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>>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

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>>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

>>>>>> intolerances

>>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>>>>

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[Guest guest]

Again, well said, Pam. I think judgment comes towards those who have an

" entitlement " attitude instead of a thankful attitude. Sure wish we wouldn't be

calling federally-funded programs " entitlement programs " !

Diane Preves

(unknown)

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>>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

>>>>>> bridgecard. It

>>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

>>>>>> is a

>>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

>>>>>> intolerances

>>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>>>>

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[Guest guest]

Remember more of the lower income people are taking money " under the table "

and I agree tax cheats are a HUGE problem!!! We need to make the tax system

easier to understand. (NOTE: I have no idea how to do that though)

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 4:00 PM, utnutritionprof

wrote:

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>

>

> All -

> we might stop and consider this...

>

> An IRS report in 2001 estimated that individuals cheating on taxes cost the

> federal government $290 BILLION. In 2007 - the SNAP program cost the federal

> government about $34.6 BILLION.

>

> Seriously - before we go after people receiving SNAP - why don't we go

> after tax cheaters? There is a lot more money there

>

> Debra Boardley, Ph.D., RD, LD

> Professor, Department of Public Health .

> University of Toledo

> debra.boardley@... <debra.boardley%40utoledo.edu>

>

>

>

--

Ortiz, MS, RD

*The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com>

Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition

* " Older Dietitians " - seasoned to PERFECTION**

*

[Guest guest]

I think as a nation we should provide help to our population in need. But help

needs to be both immediate (in this case, money towards food) and long term.

The long term help is providing education so folks can make better choices--or

learning that what they have available to them is sub-par and they should start

asking/banding together with others to help the urban desert food sellers know

they want more fresh produce, more healthy options. It will take time. It will

take more money initially, but it should end up being less money in the long

run.

But I don't understand why people who are getting assistance with public money

should feel they are being mistreated if it is dictated to them the type of

nutritious foods they can get. If they don't have access d/t the urban food

deserts, then let's give them free bus transportation once a week to larger

grocery stores where they can redeem their SNAP dollars and get better and more

economical produce like bags of apples and oranges. Isn't that a better way to

spend $ than have them buying junk and then having a harder time managing any

chronic diseases they may have? Plus, I bet those smaller urban desert food

places would not like to see their customers being bused away and might have

incentive to carry more healthy and fresher food items.

While I can't say I have walked a mile in the same shoes, I do know that I, like

many of us, am not that far away from major financial issues, and could find

myself in those shoes someday. If I had to utilize public assistance, would I

want to buy candy, chips, junk sometimes? You bet. Would I understand if I

were dictated to with those dollars regarding what I could and couldn't buy? I

believe I would. I wouldn't like it, and I believe it would give me additional

incentive to work toward a situation where I had more say in my own destiny.

I think there has to be give and take on both sides. To me, in the end, we

would have less folks on public food assistance for shorter time periods (unless

the economy never improves--then all but the very upper financial echelon of us

will be needing governmental assistance of some sort) if assistance requires

some effort toward change on the part of the person being assisted.

I don't think there are easy, straightforward answers, but I do think there are

directions we should work toward. Helping people doesn't usually mean just

handouts. Education and incentives help too.

Great, thought-provoking discussion to begin the week, BTW.

Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

When I talk about fraud - I mean fraud in the sense the individual wouldn't

ven qualify. In Medicare, many clinics were set up with only " fraud "

atients - not people in need. As for the DVD most were English speaking and

ad DVD players. That is very true about the cell phones - which is why it

as very difficult to contact people - their minutes would run out and they

ould have to get a new one with a different number.

>

,

Look at indicators of cultural competence. Many might not understand

what you are saying (even with DVD in hand) or may not want to offend

you by refusing the gift.

This became evident to me when my daughter had a sudden, significant

hearing loss. She does not read lips well yet and is just beginning to

learn sign. Yet, when we are at stores, etc, and someone talks to her

she will typically make some effort to " mimic " the facial expression

of the speaker and then guess what response is desired. Then she gives

that response. Then she will turn to me and say " What did they say? " .

There is a very strong drive to not " anger " the person perceived to be

in control of a situation.

Another example might be when I worked on the south side of Chicago.

One day I mentioned to our clinic social worker that many of our

clients had a better cell phone than I did. She told me that in many

cases, these are folks who cannot get a land line. They either have no

fixed address or insufficient credit or too many past due bills. They

are able to get a cell phone because if the bill isn't paid, the phone

is shut off. They can then get another phone from another provider.

There is also a strong component of sheer exhaustion; we have a cycle

of poor education, poor paying jobs, loss of jobs that put one at

immediate risk for losing housing. Losing housing means that your kids

might lose the ability to go to their school or that you can no longer

get to your job. Simply trying to exist from day to day can be

exhausting. The last thing that you might want to do is think about

where to get healthy food. You just want to get food.

We should not criticize our brother/sister until we walk a mile in

their shoes.

Yes, there is fraud in aid programs, just as their is fraud and waste

at all levels. If we want to take it to another extreme, have we ever

tried to push what we could claim on our taxes? Ever gone 60 mph in a

55 mph zone? Gotten a speeding ticket? Should we take away your

license or force you to be supervised when driving? While extreme

examples, we have to remember that not everyone is out to con the hard

working taxpayers while sitting on the couch collecting that $100/

month in food aid.

p

Pam Charney

pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

> Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger

> fraud

> force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money

> was

> saved.

>

> Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation

> is at

> higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40

> hours a

> week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I

> think I

> became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o

> that

> their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower

> income

> levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free

> DVDs on

> healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO

> ONE

> ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal

> immigrants. I see

> both sides of humanity.

>

> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pam Charney

<pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com>>

wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

>> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

>> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

>> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

>> just those who can buy food.

>>

>> Regards,

>> pam

>>

>>

>> Pam Charney

>> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

>>> stamps

>>> (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

>>> sides. You

>>> also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

>>> example

>>> a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

>>> benefits.

>>> She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

>>> single

>>> mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

>>>

>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

>>> newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com> <newlife4health%

40aol.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

>>>>

>>>> Diane Preves

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>>>> (unknown)

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>>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

>>>>>> bridgecard. It

>>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

>>>>>> is a

>>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

>>>>>> intolerances

>>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I think as a nation we should provide help to our population in need. But help

needs to be both immediate (in this case, money towards food) and long term.

The long term help is providing education so folks can make better choices--or

learning that what they have available to them is sub-par and they should start

asking/banding together with others to help the urban desert food sellers know

they want more fresh produce, more healthy options. It will take time. It will

take more money initially, but it should end up being less money in the long

run.

But I don't understand why people who are getting assistance with public money

should feel they are being mistreated if it is dictated to them the type of

nutritious foods they can get. If they don't have access d/t the urban food

deserts, then let's give them free bus transportation once a week to larger

grocery stores where they can redeem their SNAP dollars and get better and more

economical produce like bags of apples and oranges. Isn't that a better way to

spend $ than have them buying junk and then having a harder time managing any

chronic diseases they may have? Plus, I bet those smaller urban desert food

places would not like to see their customers being bused away and might have

incentive to carry more healthy and fresher food items.

While I can't say I have walked a mile in the same shoes, I do know that I, like

many of us, am not that far away from major financial issues, and could find

myself in those shoes someday. If I had to utilize public assistance, would I

want to buy candy, chips, junk sometimes? You bet. Would I understand if I

were dictated to with those dollars regarding what I could and couldn't buy? I

believe I would. I wouldn't like it, and I believe it would give me additional

incentive to work toward a situation where I had more say in my own destiny.

I think there has to be give and take on both sides. To me, in the end, we

would have less folks on public food assistance for shorter time periods (unless

the economy never improves--then all but the very upper financial echelon of us

will be needing governmental assistance of some sort) if assistance requires

some effort toward change on the part of the person being assisted.

I don't think there are easy, straightforward answers, but I do think there are

directions we should work toward. Helping people doesn't usually mean just

handouts. Education and incentives help too.

Great, thought-provoking discussion to begin the week, BTW.

Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

When I talk about fraud - I mean fraud in the sense the individual wouldn't

ven qualify. In Medicare, many clinics were set up with only " fraud "

atients - not people in need. As for the DVD most were English speaking and

ad DVD players. That is very true about the cell phones - which is why it

as very difficult to contact people - their minutes would run out and they

ould have to get a new one with a different number.

>

,

Look at indicators of cultural competence. Many might not understand

what you are saying (even with DVD in hand) or may not want to offend

you by refusing the gift.

This became evident to me when my daughter had a sudden, significant

hearing loss. She does not read lips well yet and is just beginning to

learn sign. Yet, when we are at stores, etc, and someone talks to her

she will typically make some effort to " mimic " the facial expression

of the speaker and then guess what response is desired. Then she gives

that response. Then she will turn to me and say " What did they say? " .

There is a very strong drive to not " anger " the person perceived to be

in control of a situation.

Another example might be when I worked on the south side of Chicago.

One day I mentioned to our clinic social worker that many of our

clients had a better cell phone than I did. She told me that in many

cases, these are folks who cannot get a land line. They either have no

fixed address or insufficient credit or too many past due bills. They

are able to get a cell phone because if the bill isn't paid, the phone

is shut off. They can then get another phone from another provider.

There is also a strong component of sheer exhaustion; we have a cycle

of poor education, poor paying jobs, loss of jobs that put one at

immediate risk for losing housing. Losing housing means that your kids

might lose the ability to go to their school or that you can no longer

get to your job. Simply trying to exist from day to day can be

exhausting. The last thing that you might want to do is think about

where to get healthy food. You just want to get food.

We should not criticize our brother/sister until we walk a mile in

their shoes.

Yes, there is fraud in aid programs, just as their is fraud and waste

at all levels. If we want to take it to another extreme, have we ever

tried to push what we could claim on our taxes? Ever gone 60 mph in a

55 mph zone? Gotten a speeding ticket? Should we take away your

license or force you to be supervised when driving? While extreme

examples, we have to remember that not everyone is out to con the hard

working taxpayers while sitting on the couch collecting that $100/

month in food aid.

p

Pam Charney

pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

> Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger

> fraud

> force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money

> was

> saved.

>

> Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation

> is at

> higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40

> hours a

> week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I

> think I

> became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o

> that

> their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower

> income

> levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free

> DVDs on

> healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO

> ONE

> ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal

> immigrants. I see

> both sides of humanity.

>

> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pam Charney

<pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com>>

wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

>> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

>> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

>> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

>> just those who can buy food.

>>

>> Regards,

>> pam

>>

>>

>> Pam Charney

>> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

>>> stamps

>>> (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

>>> sides. You

>>> also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

>>> example

>>> a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

>>> benefits.

>>> She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

>>> single

>>> mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

>>>

>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

>>> newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com> <newlife4health%

40aol.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

>>>>

>>>> Diane Preves

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> (unknown)

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

>>>>>> bridgecard. It

>>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

>>>>>> is a

>>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

>>>>>> intolerances

>>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I think as a nation we should provide help to our population in need. But help

needs to be both immediate (in this case, money towards food) and long term.

The long term help is providing education so folks can make better choices--or

learning that what they have available to them is sub-par and they should start

asking/banding together with others to help the urban desert food sellers know

they want more fresh produce, more healthy options. It will take time. It will

take more money initially, but it should end up being less money in the long

run.

But I don't understand why people who are getting assistance with public money

should feel they are being mistreated if it is dictated to them the type of

nutritious foods they can get. If they don't have access d/t the urban food

deserts, then let's give them free bus transportation once a week to larger

grocery stores where they can redeem their SNAP dollars and get better and more

economical produce like bags of apples and oranges. Isn't that a better way to

spend $ than have them buying junk and then having a harder time managing any

chronic diseases they may have? Plus, I bet those smaller urban desert food

places would not like to see their customers being bused away and might have

incentive to carry more healthy and fresher food items.

While I can't say I have walked a mile in the same shoes, I do know that I, like

many of us, am not that far away from major financial issues, and could find

myself in those shoes someday. If I had to utilize public assistance, would I

want to buy candy, chips, junk sometimes? You bet. Would I understand if I

were dictated to with those dollars regarding what I could and couldn't buy? I

believe I would. I wouldn't like it, and I believe it would give me additional

incentive to work toward a situation where I had more say in my own destiny.

I think there has to be give and take on both sides. To me, in the end, we

would have less folks on public food assistance for shorter time periods (unless

the economy never improves--then all but the very upper financial echelon of us

will be needing governmental assistance of some sort) if assistance requires

some effort toward change on the part of the person being assisted.

I don't think there are easy, straightforward answers, but I do think there are

directions we should work toward. Helping people doesn't usually mean just

handouts. Education and incentives help too.

Great, thought-provoking discussion to begin the week, BTW.

Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

When I talk about fraud - I mean fraud in the sense the individual wouldn't

ven qualify. In Medicare, many clinics were set up with only " fraud "

atients - not people in need. As for the DVD most were English speaking and

ad DVD players. That is very true about the cell phones - which is why it

as very difficult to contact people - their minutes would run out and they

ould have to get a new one with a different number.

>

,

Look at indicators of cultural competence. Many might not understand

what you are saying (even with DVD in hand) or may not want to offend

you by refusing the gift.

This became evident to me when my daughter had a sudden, significant

hearing loss. She does not read lips well yet and is just beginning to

learn sign. Yet, when we are at stores, etc, and someone talks to her

she will typically make some effort to " mimic " the facial expression

of the speaker and then guess what response is desired. Then she gives

that response. Then she will turn to me and say " What did they say? " .

There is a very strong drive to not " anger " the person perceived to be

in control of a situation.

Another example might be when I worked on the south side of Chicago.

One day I mentioned to our clinic social worker that many of our

clients had a better cell phone than I did. She told me that in many

cases, these are folks who cannot get a land line. They either have no

fixed address or insufficient credit or too many past due bills. They

are able to get a cell phone because if the bill isn't paid, the phone

is shut off. They can then get another phone from another provider.

There is also a strong component of sheer exhaustion; we have a cycle

of poor education, poor paying jobs, loss of jobs that put one at

immediate risk for losing housing. Losing housing means that your kids

might lose the ability to go to their school or that you can no longer

get to your job. Simply trying to exist from day to day can be

exhausting. The last thing that you might want to do is think about

where to get healthy food. You just want to get food.

We should not criticize our brother/sister until we walk a mile in

their shoes.

Yes, there is fraud in aid programs, just as their is fraud and waste

at all levels. If we want to take it to another extreme, have we ever

tried to push what we could claim on our taxes? Ever gone 60 mph in a

55 mph zone? Gotten a speeding ticket? Should we take away your

license or force you to be supervised when driving? While extreme

examples, we have to remember that not everyone is out to con the hard

working taxpayers while sitting on the couch collecting that $100/

month in food aid.

p

Pam Charney

pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

> Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger

> fraud

> force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money

> was

> saved.

>

> Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation

> is at

> higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40

> hours a

> week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I

> think I

> became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o

> that

> their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower

> income

> levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free

> DVDs on

> healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO

> ONE

> ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal

> immigrants. I see

> both sides of humanity.

>

> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pam Charney

<pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com>>

wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

>> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

>> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

>> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

>> just those who can buy food.

>>

>> Regards,

>> pam

>>

>>

>> Pam Charney

>> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

>>> stamps

>>> (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

>>> sides. You

>>> also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

>>> example

>>> a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

>>> benefits.

>>> She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

>>> single

>>> mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

>>>

>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

>>> newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com> <newlife4health%

40aol.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

>>>>

>>>> Diane Preves

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> (unknown)

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

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>>>>>>

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>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

>>>>>> bridgecard. It

>>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

>>>>>> is a

>>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

>>>>>> intolerances

>>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Merav,

First we cannot assume that all States are run equally - I've heard now for

months how the food stamps cards in CA are used at the Casinos for whatever

as they work like ATM cards. Don't tell me that the h older of these cards

is buying 5 meal tickets to their abundant buffet. Or maybe giving their

family shelter for the night in a luxurious hotel room? Even that I could

find acceptable. Nah... I bet some bleeding hearts would love to assume the

best, but nahhh. They're buying booze or gambling. Probably buying some

cigarettes too. I hear it often in the news. Do I have proof? no, but I

can't see why this would be a made up story.

Let me tell you who I want to help. The Tonganese family in Orange County

that already having their own children - I think 4 or 5 - have taken on

homeless kids from the motels when their drug addicted parents were busted

one more time, or those found by police raiding dumpsters to be able to eat

and hiding in the shadows so as not to be caught. This family, personally

met by my husband through a friend that helps them, now has 14 minors under

their care. They accept no foodstamps, don't beg, and with help modified

their garage for boys and girls dorms. They have accepted all races, and all

problems that came with these neglected and at times abused children. They

are sheltering, feeding, clothing, educating, and nurturing them. The local

church our friend belongs to helps them and others like them. My husband

brings them eggs sometimes since we always have extras from our chickens.

Digna

(unknown)

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> >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>

> >>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>

> >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>

> >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>

> >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>

> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Merav,

First we cannot assume that all States are run equally - I've heard now for

months how the food stamps cards in CA are used at the Casinos for whatever

as they work like ATM cards. Don't tell me that the h older of these cards

is buying 5 meal tickets to their abundant buffet. Or maybe giving their

family shelter for the night in a luxurious hotel room? Even that I could

find acceptable. Nah... I bet some bleeding hearts would love to assume the

best, but nahhh. They're buying booze or gambling. Probably buying some

cigarettes too. I hear it often in the news. Do I have proof? no, but I

can't see why this would be a made up story.

Let me tell you who I want to help. The Tonganese family in Orange County

that already having their own children - I think 4 or 5 - have taken on

homeless kids from the motels when their drug addicted parents were busted

one more time, or those found by police raiding dumpsters to be able to eat

and hiding in the shadows so as not to be caught. This family, personally

met by my husband through a friend that helps them, now has 14 minors under

their care. They accept no foodstamps, don't beg, and with help modified

their garage for boys and girls dorms. They have accepted all races, and all

problems that came with these neglected and at times abused children. They

are sheltering, feeding, clothing, educating, and nurturing them. The local

church our friend belongs to helps them and others like them. My husband

brings them eggs sometimes since we always have extras from our chickens.

Digna

(unknown)

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> >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>

> >>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>

> >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>

> >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>

> >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>

> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Merav,

First we cannot assume that all States are run equally - I've heard now for

months how the food stamps cards in CA are used at the Casinos for whatever

as they work like ATM cards. Don't tell me that the h older of these cards

is buying 5 meal tickets to their abundant buffet. Or maybe giving their

family shelter for the night in a luxurious hotel room? Even that I could

find acceptable. Nah... I bet some bleeding hearts would love to assume the

best, but nahhh. They're buying booze or gambling. Probably buying some

cigarettes too. I hear it often in the news. Do I have proof? no, but I

can't see why this would be a made up story.

Let me tell you who I want to help. The Tonganese family in Orange County

that already having their own children - I think 4 or 5 - have taken on

homeless kids from the motels when their drug addicted parents were busted

one more time, or those found by police raiding dumpsters to be able to eat

and hiding in the shadows so as not to be caught. This family, personally

met by my husband through a friend that helps them, now has 14 minors under

their care. They accept no foodstamps, don't beg, and with help modified

their garage for boys and girls dorms. They have accepted all races, and all

problems that came with these neglected and at times abused children. They

are sheltering, feeding, clothing, educating, and nurturing them. The local

church our friend belongs to helps them and others like them. My husband

brings them eggs sometimes since we always have extras from our chickens.

Digna

(unknown)

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> >>>

> >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>

> >>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>

> >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>

> >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>

> >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>

> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

, you made sense and were very logical so far, but now? Now you're going

overboard! When was the last time you found fruits - any fruits? or vegetables

at a convenience store? There is NO healthy option. There are 20 oz cans of

beer, sodas, hot dogs and twinkies. Please name 3 healthy options at a

convenience store. I can name: Cheese, yogurt of frogurt or smoothie drink,

juice, milk of a few flavors. All in small packages and overpriced bc of the

convenience. Oh, and doughnuts and burritos and chips.... Most things are not in

most convenience stores by my definition. Not the ones I've been into.

Digna

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> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> > is

> > > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> > bridgecard. It

> > > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> > The

> > > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> > are the

> > > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> > is a

> > > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > > >>>

> > > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > > >>>

> > > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> > diseases,

> > > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> > intolerances

> > > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

[Guest guest]

, you made sense and were very logical so far, but now? Now you're going

overboard! When was the last time you found fruits - any fruits? or vegetables

at a convenience store? There is NO healthy option. There are 20 oz cans of

beer, sodas, hot dogs and twinkies. Please name 3 healthy options at a

convenience store. I can name: Cheese, yogurt of frogurt or smoothie drink,

juice, milk of a few flavors. All in small packages and overpriced bc of the

convenience. Oh, and doughnuts and burritos and chips.... Most things are not in

most convenience stores by my definition. Not the ones I've been into.

Digna

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> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> > is

> > > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> > bridgecard. It

> > > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> > The

> > > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> > are the

> > > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> > is a

> > > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > > >>>

> > > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > > >>>

> > > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> > diseases,

> > > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> > intolerances

> > > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes they don't have the education to use healthy foods. I mean,

prepare fruits and vegetables. If you've never done it before, you wouldn't

even know where to start with them.

>

>

> ,

>

> Look at indicators of cultural competence. Many might not understand

> what you are saying (even with DVD in hand) or may not want to offend

> you by refusing the gift.

>

> This became evident to me when my daughter had a sudden, significant

> hearing loss. She does not read lips well yet and is just beginning to

> learn sign. Yet, when we are at stores, etc, and someone talks to her

> she will typically make some effort to " mimic " the facial expression

> of the speaker and then guess what response is desired. Then she gives

> that response. Then she will turn to me and say " What did they say? " .

> There is a very strong drive to not " anger " the person perceived to be

> in control of a situation.

>

> Another example might be when I worked on the south side of Chicago.

> One day I mentioned to our clinic social worker that many of our

> clients had a better cell phone than I did. She told me that in many

> cases, these are folks who cannot get a land line. They either have no

> fixed address or insufficient credit or too many past due bills. They

> are able to get a cell phone because if the bill isn't paid, the phone

> is shut off. They can then get another phone from another provider.

>

> There is also a strong component of sheer exhaustion; we have a cycle

> of poor education, poor paying jobs, loss of jobs that put one at

> immediate risk for losing housing. Losing housing means that your kids

> might lose the ability to go to their school or that you can no longer

> get to your job. Simply trying to exist from day to day can be

> exhausting. The last thing that you might want to do is think about

> where to get healthy food. You just want to get food.

>

> We should not criticize our brother/sister until we walk a mile in

> their shoes.

>

> Yes, there is fraud in aid programs, just as their is fraud and waste

> at all levels. If we want to take it to another extreme, have we ever

> tried to push what we could claim on our taxes? Ever gone 60 mph in a

> 55 mph zone? Gotten a speeding ticket? Should we take away your

> license or force you to be supervised when driving? While extreme

> examples, we have to remember that not everyone is out to con the hard

> working taxpayers while sitting on the couch collecting that $100/

> month in food aid.

>

>

> p

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

>

>

>

> > Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger

> > fraud

> > force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money

> > was

> > saved.

> >

> > Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation

> > is at

> > higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40

> > hours a

> > week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I

> > think I

> > became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o

> > that

> > their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower

> > income

> > levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free

> > DVDs on

> > healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO

> > ONE

> > ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal

> > immigrants. I see

> > both sides of humanity.

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pam Charney

<pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

> >> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

> >> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

> >> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

> >> just those who can buy food.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> pam

> >>

> >>

> >> Pam Charney

> >> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>> Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

> >>> stamps

> >>> (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

> >>> sides. You

> >>> also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

> >>> example

> >>> a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

> >>> benefits.

> >>> She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

> >>> single

> >>> mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

> >>>

> >>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

> >>> newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com> <newlife4health%

> 40aol.com>> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

> >>>>

> >>>> Diane Preves

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> (unknown)

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> >>>>>> bridgecard. It

> >>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

> >>>>>> the

> >>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> >>>>>> is a

> >>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> >>>>>> intolerances

> >>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes they don't have the education to use healthy foods. I mean,

prepare fruits and vegetables. If you've never done it before, you wouldn't

even know where to start with them.

>

>

> ,

>

> Look at indicators of cultural competence. Many might not understand

> what you are saying (even with DVD in hand) or may not want to offend

> you by refusing the gift.

>

> This became evident to me when my daughter had a sudden, significant

> hearing loss. She does not read lips well yet and is just beginning to

> learn sign. Yet, when we are at stores, etc, and someone talks to her

> she will typically make some effort to " mimic " the facial expression

> of the speaker and then guess what response is desired. Then she gives

> that response. Then she will turn to me and say " What did they say? " .

> There is a very strong drive to not " anger " the person perceived to be

> in control of a situation.

>

> Another example might be when I worked on the south side of Chicago.

> One day I mentioned to our clinic social worker that many of our

> clients had a better cell phone than I did. She told me that in many

> cases, these are folks who cannot get a land line. They either have no

> fixed address or insufficient credit or too many past due bills. They

> are able to get a cell phone because if the bill isn't paid, the phone

> is shut off. They can then get another phone from another provider.

>

> There is also a strong component of sheer exhaustion; we have a cycle

> of poor education, poor paying jobs, loss of jobs that put one at

> immediate risk for losing housing. Losing housing means that your kids

> might lose the ability to go to their school or that you can no longer

> get to your job. Simply trying to exist from day to day can be

> exhausting. The last thing that you might want to do is think about

> where to get healthy food. You just want to get food.

>

> We should not criticize our brother/sister until we walk a mile in

> their shoes.

>

> Yes, there is fraud in aid programs, just as their is fraud and waste

> at all levels. If we want to take it to another extreme, have we ever

> tried to push what we could claim on our taxes? Ever gone 60 mph in a

> 55 mph zone? Gotten a speeding ticket? Should we take away your

> license or force you to be supervised when driving? While extreme

> examples, we have to remember that not everyone is out to con the hard

> working taxpayers while sitting on the couch collecting that $100/

> month in food aid.

>

>

> p

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

>

>

>

> > Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger

> > fraud

> > force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money

> > was

> > saved.

> >

> > Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation

> > is at

> > higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40

> > hours a

> > week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I

> > think I

> > became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o

> > that

> > their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower

> > income

> > levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free

> > DVDs on

> > healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO

> > ONE

> > ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal

> > immigrants. I see

> > both sides of humanity.

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pam Charney

<pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

> >> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

> >> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

> >> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

> >> just those who can buy food.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> pam

> >>

> >>

> >> Pam Charney

> >> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>> Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

> >>> stamps

> >>> (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

> >>> sides. You

> >>> also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

> >>> example

> >>> a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

> >>> benefits.

> >>> She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

> >>> single

> >>> mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

> >>>

> >>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

> >>> newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com> <newlife4health%

> 40aol.com>> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

> >>>>

> >>>> Diane Preves

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> (unknown)

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> >>>>>> bridgecard. It

> >>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

> >>>>>> the

> >>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> >>>>>> is a

> >>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> >>>>>> intolerances

> >>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes they don't have the education to use healthy foods. I mean,

prepare fruits and vegetables. If you've never done it before, you wouldn't

even know where to start with them.

>

>

> ,

>

> Look at indicators of cultural competence. Many might not understand

> what you are saying (even with DVD in hand) or may not want to offend

> you by refusing the gift.

>

> This became evident to me when my daughter had a sudden, significant

> hearing loss. She does not read lips well yet and is just beginning to

> learn sign. Yet, when we are at stores, etc, and someone talks to her

> she will typically make some effort to " mimic " the facial expression

> of the speaker and then guess what response is desired. Then she gives

> that response. Then she will turn to me and say " What did they say? " .

> There is a very strong drive to not " anger " the person perceived to be

> in control of a situation.

>

> Another example might be when I worked on the south side of Chicago.

> One day I mentioned to our clinic social worker that many of our

> clients had a better cell phone than I did. She told me that in many

> cases, these are folks who cannot get a land line. They either have no

> fixed address or insufficient credit or too many past due bills. They

> are able to get a cell phone because if the bill isn't paid, the phone

> is shut off. They can then get another phone from another provider.

>

> There is also a strong component of sheer exhaustion; we have a cycle

> of poor education, poor paying jobs, loss of jobs that put one at

> immediate risk for losing housing. Losing housing means that your kids

> might lose the ability to go to their school or that you can no longer

> get to your job. Simply trying to exist from day to day can be

> exhausting. The last thing that you might want to do is think about

> where to get healthy food. You just want to get food.

>

> We should not criticize our brother/sister until we walk a mile in

> their shoes.

>

> Yes, there is fraud in aid programs, just as their is fraud and waste

> at all levels. If we want to take it to another extreme, have we ever

> tried to push what we could claim on our taxes? Ever gone 60 mph in a

> 55 mph zone? Gotten a speeding ticket? Should we take away your

> license or force you to be supervised when driving? While extreme

> examples, we have to remember that not everyone is out to con the hard

> working taxpayers while sitting on the couch collecting that $100/

> month in food aid.

>

>

> p

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

>

>

>

> > Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger

> > fraud

> > force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money

> > was

> > saved.

> >

> > Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation

> > is at

> > higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40

> > hours a

> > week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I

> > think I

> > became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o

> > that

> > their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower

> > income

> > levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free

> > DVDs on

> > healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO

> > ONE

> > ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal

> > immigrants. I see

> > both sides of humanity.

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pam Charney

<pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

> >> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

> >> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

> >> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

> >> just those who can buy food.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> pam

> >>

> >>

> >> Pam Charney

> >> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>> Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

> >>> stamps

> >>> (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

> >>> sides. You

> >>> also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

> >>> example

> >>> a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

> >>> benefits.

> >>> She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

> >>> single

> >>> mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

> >>>

> >>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

> >>> newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com> <newlife4health%

> 40aol.com>> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

> >>>>

> >>>> Diane Preves

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> (unknown)

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> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> >>>>>> bridgecard. It

> >>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

> >>>>>> the

> >>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> >>>>>> is a

> >>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> >>>>>> intolerances

> >>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

[Guest guest]

In a lot of our stores in OK they are selling apples and bananas. I totally

agree that healthy food is hard to find there. However, as mentioned by an

earlier post, in some places, the convenience store is the only option. So we

have to help them pick the best choices. There are lunch meats there too. So

teach that bologna would be the worst choice. There are also cheese sticks in

some stores.

On Oct 11, 2010, at 10:24 PM, " Digna Cassens "

> wrote:

, you made sense and were very logical so far, but now? Now you're going

overboard! When was the last time you found fruits - any fruits? or vegetables

at a convenience store? There is NO healthy option. There are 20 oz cans of

beer, sodas, hot dogs and twinkies. Please name 3 healthy options at a

convenience store. I can name: Cheese, yogurt of frogurt or smoothie drink,

juice, milk of a few flavors. All in small packages and overpriced bc of the

convenience. Oh, and doughnuts and burritos and chips.... Most things are not in

most convenience stores by my definition. Not the ones I've been into.

Digna

(unknown)

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> > > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> > is

> > > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> > bridgecard. It

> > > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> > The

> > > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> > are the

> > > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> > is a

> > > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > > >>>

> > > >>> <http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx>

http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > > >>>

> > > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> > diseases,

> > > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> > intolerances

> > > >>> try <http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli>

http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

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[Guest guest]

I think you are missing my point. In some places the convenience store is ALL

they have. Cold cuts, all they have. So we know that there are some things

that are healthier than others at these stores. That is what we need to help

them figure out IF that is there ONLY option.

Nickels, MS, RD/LD

Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Digna

Cassens

Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:45 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

I guess it depends on the definition of " healthy " once more. Cold cuts aren't a

healthy choice in my opinion, so we first need to define nutritious and what we

mean by it, and healthy and what interpretation we give that word.

I find it cheaper to eat at airports than at convenience stores - I spend a lot

of time in both due to the amount of travel I do and time on the road often

catches me hungry or thirsty. Even for me it's a hard choice to make, but at the

airports I can buy fresh fruit cups, spotty or totally green flavorless bananas,

salads, and real food if there's a restaurant and I have time to wait. At the

convenience stores I limit myself to a juice, a diet coke and maybe a yogurt and

water. Nothing else is safe for me. And I end up paying just about the same

calorie by calorie.

Digna

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> > > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> > is

> > > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> > bridgecard. It

> > > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> > The

> > > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> > are the

> > > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> > is a

> > > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > > >>>

> > > >>> <http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx>

http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > > >>>

> > > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> > diseases,

> > > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> > intolerances

> > > >>> try <http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli>

http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

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[Guest guest]

I get it now.

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> > > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> > is

> > > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> > bridgecard. It

> > > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> > The

> > > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> > are the

> > > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> > is a

> > > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > > >>>

> > > >>> <http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx>

http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > > >>>

> > > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> > diseases,

> > > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> > intolerances

> > > >>> try <http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli>

http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

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[Guest guest]

Having walked the mile, do you have any idea how hard it is to get on a bus with

kids to go to a store three or more transfers away. Then buy the food, carry it

to the bus stop. get it onto the bus with the kids back the three or more

transfers. Then get home and cook it. By the way remember you are carrying all

the food. Now repeat this every two days because that is all the food you can

carry at one time. If I had had a connivence store near by believe me I would of

shopped there. This is a no brainer. Food banks think again there are food bank

deserts also. As for the more expensive cuts of meat I remember when you had to

buy American meat and most of the cheap cuts and hamburger used import meat. You

think it our produce and fish comes from around the world. Heaven knows where

that steak lived and breathed.

Bush Alaska Food Bank - brother-in-law with a rifle.

jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

>

[Guest guest]

Having walked the mile, do you have any idea how hard it is to get on a bus with

kids to go to a store three or more transfers away. Then buy the food, carry it

to the bus stop. get it onto the bus with the kids back the three or more

transfers. Then get home and cook it. By the way remember you are carrying all

the food. Now repeat this every two days because that is all the food you can

carry at one time. If I had had a connivence store near by believe me I would of

shopped there. This is a no brainer. Food banks think again there are food bank

deserts also. As for the more expensive cuts of meat I remember when you had to

buy American meat and most of the cheap cuts and hamburger used import meat. You

think it our produce and fish comes from around the world. Heaven knows where

that steak lived and breathed.

Bush Alaska Food Bank - brother-in-law with a rifle.

jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

>

[Guest guest]

Having walked the mile, do you have any idea how hard it is to get on a bus with

kids to go to a store three or more transfers away. Then buy the food, carry it

to the bus stop. get it onto the bus with the kids back the three or more

transfers. Then get home and cook it. By the way remember you are carrying all

the food. Now repeat this every two days because that is all the food you can

carry at one time. If I had had a connivence store near by believe me I would of

shopped there. This is a no brainer. Food banks think again there are food bank

deserts also. As for the more expensive cuts of meat I remember when you had to

buy American meat and most of the cheap cuts and hamburger used import meat. You

think it our produce and fish comes from around the world. Heaven knows where

that steak lived and breathed.

Bush Alaska Food Bank - brother-in-law with a rifle.

jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

>

[Guest guest]

We have fruits (apples, bananas, & including fresh pineapple/melon mix), salads,

yogurt, and fresh made deli sandwiches available in most of our convenience

stores in Tulsa, OK. Less so on the North side where there are clear food

deserts and increased poverty, but I have gone into north Tulsa stores and saw

some of these options. Expensive, but these options exist around here.

> > > > >>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in

> > > NY but

> > > > >>> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> > > > >>> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> > > > >>> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> > > > >>> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control

> > > how

> > > > >>> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as

> > working

> > > > >>> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on

> > > unhealthy

> > > > >>> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it.

> > > If I

> > > > >>> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say

> > > in

> > > > >>> how I do it.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > > >>> From:

> > > theonlineceliacdietitian@...<theonlineceliacdietitian

> > > > >>> %40yahoo.com>

> > > > >>> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

> > > > >>> Subject: (unknown)

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> > > > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > > > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> > > is

> > > > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> > > bridgecard. It

> > > > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> > > The

> > > > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> > > are the

> > > > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> > > is a

> > > > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > > > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> > > diseases,

> > > > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> > > intolerances

> > > > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

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