Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

[Guest guest]

Yes, every RD should be involved with their community food bank. Here

in Atlanta we have our RD meetings at our food bank many times.

Sent from my iPhone

> et al,

>

> I'd suggest that you all try to feed a family given the " typical " SNAP

> allotment. There is no prime rib being served.

>

> Before we start demonizing a segment of our population that typically

> has no voice, let's use a little common sense and perhaps try to add

> some compassion.

> I've volunteered at food banks and seen what happens at the end of the

> month when benefits run out. Have you ever volunteered and had to tell

> a family that sorry, all we have is a case of jello and some paper

> towels to offer you until 10 days from now?

>

> I'm honestly surprised at the lack of understanding of what it's like

> to be hungry in America. Maybe it'd be better if we try to find a

> middle ground and rather than dig in our heels and say " not on my

> dollar " , we work together to end hunger?

>

> Regards,

> p

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

>

>> I work in OK with the CNEP grant program. It is federally funded and

>> we provide nutrition education to low-income individuals. I have

>> said since I started that if you get food stamps, you should be

>> required to take our program. Clients have to do something with WIC

>> to get their vouchers. Maybe if food stamp people had to be hassled

>> by a class, they would be less likely to sign up. I totally agree

>> with having a food package like WIC does for food stamp recipients.

>> Why should they get to use our tax $ to buy prime rib and t-bones,

>> things that are a luxury at my house?

>>

>> Nickels, MS, RD/LD

>> Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

>>

>> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

>> Behalf Of Pam Charney

>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:40 AM

>> To: rd-usa

>> Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

>>

>> Merav,

>>

>> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods

>> all

>> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

>>

>> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

>> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

>> education?

>>

>> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would

>> believe.

>> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

>> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

>> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

>> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

>> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some

>> form

>> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

>> require food assistance.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Pam Charney

>> pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>>> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

>>> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

>>> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

>>> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

>>> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

>>> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

>>> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

>>> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

>>> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

>>> how I do it.

>>>

>>> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

>>> From:

>>> theonlineceliacdietitian@...<mailto:theonlineceliacdietitian

>>> %40yahoo.com

>>>

>>> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

>>> Subject: (unknown)

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>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>

>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>

>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>

>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>

>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>

>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Yes, every RD should be involved with their community food bank. Here

in Atlanta we have our RD meetings at our food bank many times.

Sent from my iPhone

> et al,

>

> I'd suggest that you all try to feed a family given the " typical " SNAP

> allotment. There is no prime rib being served.

>

> Before we start demonizing a segment of our population that typically

> has no voice, let's use a little common sense and perhaps try to add

> some compassion.

> I've volunteered at food banks and seen what happens at the end of the

> month when benefits run out. Have you ever volunteered and had to tell

> a family that sorry, all we have is a case of jello and some paper

> towels to offer you until 10 days from now?

>

> I'm honestly surprised at the lack of understanding of what it's like

> to be hungry in America. Maybe it'd be better if we try to find a

> middle ground and rather than dig in our heels and say " not on my

> dollar " , we work together to end hunger?

>

> Regards,

> p

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

>

>> I work in OK with the CNEP grant program. It is federally funded and

>> we provide nutrition education to low-income individuals. I have

>> said since I started that if you get food stamps, you should be

>> required to take our program. Clients have to do something with WIC

>> to get their vouchers. Maybe if food stamp people had to be hassled

>> by a class, they would be less likely to sign up. I totally agree

>> with having a food package like WIC does for food stamp recipients.

>> Why should they get to use our tax $ to buy prime rib and t-bones,

>> things that are a luxury at my house?

>>

>> Nickels, MS, RD/LD

>> Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

>>

>> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

>> Behalf Of Pam Charney

>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:40 AM

>> To: rd-usa

>> Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

>>

>> Merav,

>>

>> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods

>> all

>> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

>>

>> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

>> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

>> education?

>>

>> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would

>> believe.

>> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

>> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

>> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

>> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

>> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some

>> form

>> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

>> require food assistance.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Pam Charney

>> pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>>> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

>>> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

>>> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

>>> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

>>> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

>>> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

>>> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

>>> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

>>> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

>>> how I do it.

>>>

>>> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

>>> From:

>>> theonlineceliacdietitian@...<mailto:theonlineceliacdietitian

>>> %40yahoo.com

>>>

>>> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

>>> Subject: (unknown)

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>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>

>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>

>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>

>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>

>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>

>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Yes, every RD should be involved with their community food bank. Here

in Atlanta we have our RD meetings at our food bank many times.

Sent from my iPhone

> et al,

>

> I'd suggest that you all try to feed a family given the " typical " SNAP

> allotment. There is no prime rib being served.

>

> Before we start demonizing a segment of our population that typically

> has no voice, let's use a little common sense and perhaps try to add

> some compassion.

> I've volunteered at food banks and seen what happens at the end of the

> month when benefits run out. Have you ever volunteered and had to tell

> a family that sorry, all we have is a case of jello and some paper

> towels to offer you until 10 days from now?

>

> I'm honestly surprised at the lack of understanding of what it's like

> to be hungry in America. Maybe it'd be better if we try to find a

> middle ground and rather than dig in our heels and say " not on my

> dollar " , we work together to end hunger?

>

> Regards,

> p

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

>

>> I work in OK with the CNEP grant program. It is federally funded and

>> we provide nutrition education to low-income individuals. I have

>> said since I started that if you get food stamps, you should be

>> required to take our program. Clients have to do something with WIC

>> to get their vouchers. Maybe if food stamp people had to be hassled

>> by a class, they would be less likely to sign up. I totally agree

>> with having a food package like WIC does for food stamp recipients.

>> Why should they get to use our tax $ to buy prime rib and t-bones,

>> things that are a luxury at my house?

>>

>> Nickels, MS, RD/LD

>> Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

>>

>> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

>> Behalf Of Pam Charney

>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:40 AM

>> To: rd-usa

>> Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

>>

>> Merav,

>>

>> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods

>> all

>> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

>>

>> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

>> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

>> education?

>>

>> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would

>> believe.

>> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

>> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

>> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

>> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

>> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some

>> form

>> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

>> require food assistance.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Pam Charney

>> pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>>> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

>>> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

>>> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

>>> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

>>> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

>>> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

>>> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

>>> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

>>> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

>>> how I do it.

>>>

>>> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

>>> From:

>>> theonlineceliacdietitian@...<mailto:theonlineceliacdietitian

>>> %40yahoo.com

>>>

>>> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

>>> Subject: (unknown)

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>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>

>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>

>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>

>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>

>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>

>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Well said, Pam. " SNAP " judgments . . .

Diane Preves

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>> > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

>> > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

>> > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

>> > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>> > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

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>> > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>> >

>> > Changing Lifestyles

>> >

>> > Certified LEAP Therapist

>> >

>> > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>> >

>> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>> >

>> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

>> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

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Well said, Pam. " SNAP " judgments . . .

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>> > program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>> > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

>> > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

>> > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

>> > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>> > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>> >

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>> >

>> > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>> >

>> > Changing Lifestyles

>> >

>> > Certified LEAP Therapist

>> >

>> > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>> >

>> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>> >

>> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

>> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

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[Guest guest]

Well said, Pam. " SNAP " judgments . . .

Diane Preves

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>> > program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>> > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

>> > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

>> > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

>> > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>> > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>> >

>> > Changing Lifestyles

>> >

>> > Certified LEAP Therapist

>> >

>> > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>> >

>> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>> >

>> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

>> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

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> > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

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> > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

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> > Changing Lifestyles

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> > Certified LEAP Therapist

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> > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >

> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >

> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

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> > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

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> > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

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> > Changing Lifestyles

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> > Certified LEAP Therapist

> >

> > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >

> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >

> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

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> > program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

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> > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >

> > Changing Lifestyles

> >

> > Certified LEAP Therapist

> >

> > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >

> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >

> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

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[Guest guest]

Please explain, are you meaning because they don't shop at a grocery store?

Nickels, MS, RD/LD

Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

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> > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

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> bridgecard. It

> > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> The

> > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> are the

> > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> is a

> > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > >>>

> > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > >>>

> > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > >>>

> > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > >>>

> > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > >>>

> > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> diseases,

> > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> intolerances

> > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > >>>

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[Guest guest]

Please explain, are you meaning because they don't shop at a grocery store?

Nickels, MS, RD/LD

Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

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> > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> is

> > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> bridgecard. It

> > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> The

> > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> are the

> > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> is a

> > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > >>>

> > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > >>>

> > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > >>>

> > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > >>>

> > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > >>>

> > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> diseases,

> > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> intolerances

> > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

[Guest guest]

Please explain, are you meaning because they don't shop at a grocery store?

Nickels, MS, RD/LD

Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

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> > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> is

> > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> bridgecard. It

> > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> The

> > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> are the

> > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> is a

> > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > >>>

> > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > >>>

> > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > >>>

> > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > >>>

> > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > >>>

> > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> diseases,

> > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> intolerances

> > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

[Guest guest]

Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food stamps

(SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both sides. You

also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for example

a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC benefits.

She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another single

mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

newlife4health@...> wrote:

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>

> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

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> Diane Preves

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> > > I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > > program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> > > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> > > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> > > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> > > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> > > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

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> > >

> > > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > >

> > > Changing Lifestyles

> > >

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > >

> > > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > >

> > > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > >

> > > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> > > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> > > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm

This give a breakdown of requirements and benefits

Nickels, MS, RD/LD

Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food stamps

(SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both sides. You

also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for example

a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC benefits.

She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another single

mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

newlife4health@...> wrote:

>

>

> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

>

> Diane Preves

>

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> (unknown)

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> > > I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > > program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> > > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> > > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> > > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> > > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> > > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > >

> > > Changing Lifestyles

> > >

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > >

> > > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > >

> > > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > >

> > > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> > > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> > > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I mean they have access to a store that sells apples. I'm sure you're

aware of the concept of the urban desert?

If not, I would urge you to educate yourself before stating that folks

using SNAP benefits should simply " buy a bag of apples "

Here are a few references for you to get started:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

http://www.fooddesert.net/

http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/092208p48.shtml

Simply put, an urban, or food desert is an area that lacks sufficient

access to the healthy foods that we want folks to consume.

Regards,

pam

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> Please explain, are you meaning because they don't shop at a grocery

> store?

>

> Nickels, MS, RD/LD

> Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

>

> (unknown)

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> > > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> > is

> > > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> > bridgecard. It

> > > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> > The

> > > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> > are the

> > > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> > is a

> > > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > > >>>

> > > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > > >>>

> > > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> > diseases,

> > > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> > intolerances

> > > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

[Guest guest]

I mean they have access to a store that sells apples. I'm sure you're

aware of the concept of the urban desert?

If not, I would urge you to educate yourself before stating that folks

using SNAP benefits should simply " buy a bag of apples "

Here are a few references for you to get started:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

http://www.fooddesert.net/

http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/092208p48.shtml

Simply put, an urban, or food desert is an area that lacks sufficient

access to the healthy foods that we want folks to consume.

Regards,

pam

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> Please explain, are you meaning because they don't shop at a grocery

> store?

>

> Nickels, MS, RD/LD

> Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

>

> (unknown)

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> > > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> > is

> > > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> > bridgecard. It

> > > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> > The

> > > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> > are the

> > > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> > is a

> > > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > > >>>

> > > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > > >>>

> > > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> > diseases,

> > > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> > intolerances

> > > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

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[Guest guest]

No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

" welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

just those who can buy food.

Regards,

pam

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

> stamps

> (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

> sides. You

> also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

> example

> a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

> benefits.

> She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

> single

> mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

>

> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

> newlife4health@...> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

>>

>> Diane Preves

>>

>>

>> (unknown)

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>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

>>>> the

>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>>

>>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>>

>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>>

>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>>

>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>>

>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

It says the food desert is mostly made up of corner stores and fast food places.

Well, the fast food places are out since FS can't be used there. So we teach

them to pick the healthy options at the convenient store. Doesn't mean it is

the healthiest option, but the healthiest option available for them. Again, it

all comes back to education. Our convenience stores sell some fruit too. Not

bags, but individual pieces. It is overpriced; however, most things are in

those stores.

Nickels, MS, RD/LD

Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

(unknown)

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> > > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> > is

> > > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> > bridgecard. It

> > > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> > The

> > > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> > are the

> > > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> > is a

> > > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > > >>>

> > > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > > >>>

> > > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> > diseases,

> > > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> > intolerances

> > > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

[Guest guest]

Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger fraud

force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money was

saved.

Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation is at

higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40 hours a

week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I think I

became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o that

their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower income

levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free DVDs on

healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO ONE

ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal immigrants. I see

both sides of humanity.

>

>

> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

> just those who can buy food.

>

> Regards,

> pam

>

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

>

>

>

> > Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

> > stamps

> > (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

> > sides. You

> > also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

> > example

> > a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

> > benefits.

> > She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

> > single

> > mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

> > newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com>> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

> >>

> >> Diane Preves

> >>

> >>

> >> (unknown)

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

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> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

> >>>> the

> >>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>>

> >>>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>>

> >>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>>

> >>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>>

> >>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>>

> >>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

[Guest guest]

Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger fraud

force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money was

saved.

Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation is at

higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40 hours a

week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I think I

became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o that

their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower income

levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free DVDs on

healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO ONE

ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal immigrants. I see

both sides of humanity.

>

>

> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

> just those who can buy food.

>

> Regards,

> pam

>

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

>

>

>

> > Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

> > stamps

> > (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

> > sides. You

> > also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

> > example

> > a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

> > benefits.

> > She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

> > single

> > mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

> > newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com>> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

> >>

> >> Diane Preves

> >>

> >>

> >> (unknown)

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

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> >>>>

> >>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

> >>>> the

> >>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>>

> >>>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>>

> >>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>>

> >>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>>

> >>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>>

> >>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

[Guest guest]

,

Look at indicators of cultural competence. Many might not understand

what you are saying (even with DVD in hand) or may not want to offend

you by refusing the gift.

This became evident to me when my daughter had a sudden, significant

hearing loss. She does not read lips well yet and is just beginning to

learn sign. Yet, when we are at stores, etc, and someone talks to her

she will typically make some effort to " mimic " the facial expression

of the speaker and then guess what response is desired. Then she gives

that response. Then she will turn to me and say " What did they say? " .

There is a very strong drive to not " anger " the person perceived to be

in control of a situation.

Another example might be when I worked on the south side of Chicago.

One day I mentioned to our clinic social worker that many of our

clients had a better cell phone than I did. She told me that in many

cases, these are folks who cannot get a land line. They either have no

fixed address or insufficient credit or too many past due bills. They

are able to get a cell phone because if the bill isn't paid, the phone

is shut off. They can then get another phone from another provider.

There is also a strong component of sheer exhaustion; we have a cycle

of poor education, poor paying jobs, loss of jobs that put one at

immediate risk for losing housing. Losing housing means that your kids

might lose the ability to go to their school or that you can no longer

get to your job. Simply trying to exist from day to day can be

exhausting. The last thing that you might want to do is think about

where to get healthy food. You just want to get food.

We should not criticize our brother/sister until we walk a mile in

their shoes.

Yes, there is fraud in aid programs, just as their is fraud and waste

at all levels. If we want to take it to another extreme, have we ever

tried to push what we could claim on our taxes? Ever gone 60 mph in a

55 mph zone? Gotten a speeding ticket? Should we take away your

license or force you to be supervised when driving? While extreme

examples, we have to remember that not everyone is out to con the hard

working taxpayers while sitting on the couch collecting that $100/

month in food aid.

p

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger

> fraud

> force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money

> was

> saved.

>

> Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation

> is at

> higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40

> hours a

> week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I

> think I

> became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o

> that

> their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower

> income

> levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free

> DVDs on

> healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO

> ONE

> ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal

> immigrants. I see

> both sides of humanity.

>

>

>

>>

>>

>> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

>> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

>> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

>> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

>> just those who can buy food.

>>

>> Regards,

>> pam

>>

>>

>> Pam Charney

>> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

>>> stamps

>>> (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

>>> sides. You

>>> also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

>>> example

>>> a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

>>> benefits.

>>> She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

>>> single

>>> mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

>>>

>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

>>> newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

>>>>

>>>> Diane Preves

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> (unknown)

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

>>>>>> bridgecard. It

>>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

>>>>>> is a

>>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

>>>>>> intolerances

>>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

,

Look at indicators of cultural competence. Many might not understand

what you are saying (even with DVD in hand) or may not want to offend

you by refusing the gift.

This became evident to me when my daughter had a sudden, significant

hearing loss. She does not read lips well yet and is just beginning to

learn sign. Yet, when we are at stores, etc, and someone talks to her

she will typically make some effort to " mimic " the facial expression

of the speaker and then guess what response is desired. Then she gives

that response. Then she will turn to me and say " What did they say? " .

There is a very strong drive to not " anger " the person perceived to be

in control of a situation.

Another example might be when I worked on the south side of Chicago.

One day I mentioned to our clinic social worker that many of our

clients had a better cell phone than I did. She told me that in many

cases, these are folks who cannot get a land line. They either have no

fixed address or insufficient credit or too many past due bills. They

are able to get a cell phone because if the bill isn't paid, the phone

is shut off. They can then get another phone from another provider.

There is also a strong component of sheer exhaustion; we have a cycle

of poor education, poor paying jobs, loss of jobs that put one at

immediate risk for losing housing. Losing housing means that your kids

might lose the ability to go to their school or that you can no longer

get to your job. Simply trying to exist from day to day can be

exhausting. The last thing that you might want to do is think about

where to get healthy food. You just want to get food.

We should not criticize our brother/sister until we walk a mile in

their shoes.

Yes, there is fraud in aid programs, just as their is fraud and waste

at all levels. If we want to take it to another extreme, have we ever

tried to push what we could claim on our taxes? Ever gone 60 mph in a

55 mph zone? Gotten a speeding ticket? Should we take away your

license or force you to be supervised when driving? While extreme

examples, we have to remember that not everyone is out to con the hard

working taxpayers while sitting on the couch collecting that $100/

month in food aid.

p

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger

> fraud

> force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money

> was

> saved.

>

> Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation

> is at

> higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40

> hours a

> week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I

> think I

> became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o

> that

> their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower

> income

> levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free

> DVDs on

> healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO

> ONE

> ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal

> immigrants. I see

> both sides of humanity.

>

>

>

>>

>>

>> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

>> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

>> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

>> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

>> just those who can buy food.

>>

>> Regards,

>> pam

>>

>>

>> Pam Charney

>> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

>>> stamps

>>> (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

>>> sides. You

>>> also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

>>> example

>>> a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

>>> benefits.

>>> She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

>>> single

>>> mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

>>>

>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

>>> newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

>>>>

>>>> Diane Preves

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> (unknown)

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

>>>>>> bridgecard. It

>>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

>>>>>> is a

>>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

>>>>>> intolerances

>>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

When I talk about fraud - I mean fraud in the sense the individual wouldn't

even qualify. In Medicare, many clinics were set up with only " fraud "

patients - not people in need. As for the DVD most were English speaking and

had DVD players. That is very true about the cell phones - which is why it

was very difficult to contact people - their minutes would run out and they

would have to get a new one with a different number.

>

>

> ,

>

> Look at indicators of cultural competence. Many might not understand

> what you are saying (even with DVD in hand) or may not want to offend

> you by refusing the gift.

>

> This became evident to me when my daughter had a sudden, significant

> hearing loss. She does not read lips well yet and is just beginning to

> learn sign. Yet, when we are at stores, etc, and someone talks to her

> she will typically make some effort to " mimic " the facial expression

> of the speaker and then guess what response is desired. Then she gives

> that response. Then she will turn to me and say " What did they say? " .

> There is a very strong drive to not " anger " the person perceived to be

> in control of a situation.

>

> Another example might be when I worked on the south side of Chicago.

> One day I mentioned to our clinic social worker that many of our

> clients had a better cell phone than I did. She told me that in many

> cases, these are folks who cannot get a land line. They either have no

> fixed address or insufficient credit or too many past due bills. They

> are able to get a cell phone because if the bill isn't paid, the phone

> is shut off. They can then get another phone from another provider.

>

> There is also a strong component of sheer exhaustion; we have a cycle

> of poor education, poor paying jobs, loss of jobs that put one at

> immediate risk for losing housing. Losing housing means that your kids

> might lose the ability to go to their school or that you can no longer

> get to your job. Simply trying to exist from day to day can be

> exhausting. The last thing that you might want to do is think about

> where to get healthy food. You just want to get food.

>

> We should not criticize our brother/sister until we walk a mile in

> their shoes.

>

> Yes, there is fraud in aid programs, just as their is fraud and waste

> at all levels. If we want to take it to another extreme, have we ever

> tried to push what we could claim on our taxes? Ever gone 60 mph in a

> 55 mph zone? Gotten a speeding ticket? Should we take away your

> license or force you to be supervised when driving? While extreme

> examples, we have to remember that not everyone is out to con the hard

> working taxpayers while sitting on the couch collecting that $100/

> month in food aid.

>

>

> p

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

>

>

>

> > Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger

> > fraud

> > force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money

> > was

> > saved.

> >

> > Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation

> > is at

> > higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40

> > hours a

> > week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I

> > think I

> > became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o

> > that

> > their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower

> > income

> > levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free

> > DVDs on

> > healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO

> > ONE

> > ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal

> > immigrants. I see

> > both sides of humanity.

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pam Charney

<pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

> >> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

> >> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

> >> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

> >> just those who can buy food.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> pam

> >>

> >>

> >> Pam Charney

> >> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>> Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

> >>> stamps

> >>> (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

> >>> sides. You

> >>> also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

> >>> example

> >>> a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

> >>> benefits.

> >>> She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

> >>> single

> >>> mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

> >>>

> >>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

> >>> newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com> <newlife4health%

> 40aol.com>> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

> >>>>

> >>>> Diane Preves

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> (unknown)

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> >>>>>> bridgecard. It

> >>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

> >>>>>> the

> >>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> >>>>>> is a

> >>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> >>>>>> intolerances

> >>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

[Guest guest]

When I talk about fraud - I mean fraud in the sense the individual wouldn't

even qualify. In Medicare, many clinics were set up with only " fraud "

patients - not people in need. As for the DVD most were English speaking and

had DVD players. That is very true about the cell phones - which is why it

was very difficult to contact people - their minutes would run out and they

would have to get a new one with a different number.

>

>

> ,

>

> Look at indicators of cultural competence. Many might not understand

> what you are saying (even with DVD in hand) or may not want to offend

> you by refusing the gift.

>

> This became evident to me when my daughter had a sudden, significant

> hearing loss. She does not read lips well yet and is just beginning to

> learn sign. Yet, when we are at stores, etc, and someone talks to her

> she will typically make some effort to " mimic " the facial expression

> of the speaker and then guess what response is desired. Then she gives

> that response. Then she will turn to me and say " What did they say? " .

> There is a very strong drive to not " anger " the person perceived to be

> in control of a situation.

>

> Another example might be when I worked on the south side of Chicago.

> One day I mentioned to our clinic social worker that many of our

> clients had a better cell phone than I did. She told me that in many

> cases, these are folks who cannot get a land line. They either have no

> fixed address or insufficient credit or too many past due bills. They

> are able to get a cell phone because if the bill isn't paid, the phone

> is shut off. They can then get another phone from another provider.

>

> There is also a strong component of sheer exhaustion; we have a cycle

> of poor education, poor paying jobs, loss of jobs that put one at

> immediate risk for losing housing. Losing housing means that your kids

> might lose the ability to go to their school or that you can no longer

> get to your job. Simply trying to exist from day to day can be

> exhausting. The last thing that you might want to do is think about

> where to get healthy food. You just want to get food.

>

> We should not criticize our brother/sister until we walk a mile in

> their shoes.

>

> Yes, there is fraud in aid programs, just as their is fraud and waste

> at all levels. If we want to take it to another extreme, have we ever

> tried to push what we could claim on our taxes? Ever gone 60 mph in a

> 55 mph zone? Gotten a speeding ticket? Should we take away your

> license or force you to be supervised when driving? While extreme

> examples, we have to remember that not everyone is out to con the hard

> working taxpayers while sitting on the couch collecting that $100/

> month in food aid.

>

>

> p

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

>

>

>

> > Believe it or not, to save money you first need is to have a larger

> > fraud

> > force. They did this for Medicare and it was amazing how much money

> > was

> > saved.

> >

> > Pam makes some good points - I know at least in WIC (participation

> > is at

> > higher income), a good share of the participants were working 40

> > hours a

> > week BUT at a very low paying jobs. They were not deadbeats. I

> > think I

> > became frustrated were for ex. for the ones who were smoking and c/o

> > that

> > their kids were doing without food. More smoking is done at lower

> > income

> > levels and they cost $5/pack here. I used to give out these free

> > DVDs on

> > healthy eating and activity - I must have given out at least 40 - NO

> > ONE

> > ever said they didn't have a DVD player - even the illegal

> > immigrants. I see

> > both sides of humanity.

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Pam Charney

<pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> No one is getting rich on SNAP/WIC or any other form of government

> >> assistance. I think we need to stop thinking of the stereotype of the

> >> " welfare cadillac " , and start thinking of those folks who need us to

> >> work together to improve nutrition and health for all Americans, not

> >> just those who can buy food.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> pam

> >>

> >>

> >> Pam Charney

> >> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>> Is there anywhere to figure out what they do get $$/monthly for food

> >>> stamps

> >>> (SNAP) - I think that would put it in more perspective for both

> >>> sides. You

> >>> also have to take into account other benefits they are getting...for

> >>> example

> >>> a single mom with a 2 year old and a newborn would get full WIC

> >>> benefits.

> >>> She might also be getting housing allowance, etc. Whereas another

> >>> single

> >>> mom with a 6 year old and 8 year old would NOT be getting WIC.

> >>>

> >>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

> >>> newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com> <newlife4health%

> 40aol.com>> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Or struggling with hopelessness . . .

> >>>>

> >>>> Diane Preves

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> (unknown)

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> >>>>>> bridgecard. It

> >>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

> >>>>>> the

> >>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> >>>>>> is a

> >>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> >>>>>> intolerances

> >>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Again, well said, Pam. I think judgment comes towards those who have an

" entitlement " attitude instead of a thankful attitude. Sure wish we wouldn't be

calling federally-funded programs " entitlement programs " !

Diane Preves

(unknown)

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

>>>>>> bridgecard. It

>>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

>>>>>> is a

>>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

>>>>>> intolerances

>>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>