Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

[Guest guest]

Merav,

It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods all

the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

education?

Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would believe.

A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some form

of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

require food assistance.

Regards,

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

>

> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> how I do it.

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> To: rd-usa

> From: theonlineceliacdietitian@...

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

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> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

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> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>

> Changing Lifestyles

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>

> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>

> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Merav,

It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods all

the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

education?

Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would believe.

A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some form

of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

require food assistance.

Regards,

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

>

> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> how I do it.

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> To: rd-usa

> From: theonlineceliacdietitian@...

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

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> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

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>

> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>

> Changing Lifestyles

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>

> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>

> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>

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[Guest guest]

But Pam do you think WIC clients are stigmatized when they use WIC checks?

Rigth on the check it tells them exactly what to buy...

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> Merav,

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> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods all

> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

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> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

> education?

>

> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would believe.

> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some form

> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

> require food assistance.

>

> Regards,

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

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> > It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> > a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> > certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> > period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> > someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> > this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> > individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> > food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> > start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> > how I do it.

> >

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> > To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > From:

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> > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

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> > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

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> > Changing Lifestyles

> >

> > Certified LEAP Therapist

> >

> > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >

> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >

> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >

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[Guest guest]

I work in OK with the CNEP grant program. It is federally funded and we provide

nutrition education to low-income individuals. I have said since I started that

if you get food stamps, you should be required to take our program. Clients

have to do something with WIC to get their vouchers. Maybe if food stamp people

had to be hassled by a class, they would be less likely to sign up. I totally

agree with having a food package like WIC does for food stamp recipients. Why

should they get to use our tax $ to buy prime rib and t-bones, things that are a

luxury at my house?

Nickels, MS, RD/LD

Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Pam

Charney

Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:40 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

Merav,

It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods all

the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

education?

Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would believe.

A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some form

of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

require food assistance.

Regards,

Pam Charney

pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com>

>

> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> how I do it.

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> From:

theonlineceliacdietitian@...<mailto:theonlineceliacdietitian%40yahoo.com>

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

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> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>

>

>

> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>

> Changing Lifestyles

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>

> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>

> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

AT which part did you understand that I am against spending $$$ on nutrition

EDU?I think WIC programs should include nutrition EDU, as they do in NY and I am

sadly learning here that it is not the case in other states, and that needs to

be corrected. However, in lack of that, controlling how someone who uses tax $$

to support his/her family (which I am glad we have such means to support those

who are unfortunate) yet, and the same time since I pay for tis $$ I believe the

Gov, in my behalf, should have a way to control how this $$ is spent so that it

serves the purpose for which it was created and not by creating future health

problem.Controlling how food stamp $$ is spent is another way (not the best),

another form of educating someone what's better for their health.If you still

want the soda - you'll have to earn that $$ by yourself.and I don't know why

anyone would not want to have a say on how their tax $$ is spent. One way to

control it is by voting. If I don't like how one administration spent MY tax

$$$, I shell vote for the opposite party. We may not be able to control and

agree with every little movement the administration is doing, but if we agree

with the majority of their decision, that's fine - that's democracy. That's

only one way to control how our tax $$ is spent.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: pcharney@...

Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:40:15 -0700

Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

Merav,

It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods all

the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

education?

Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would believe.

A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some form

of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

require food assistance.

Regards,

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

>

> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> how I do it.

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> To: rd-usa

> From: theonlineceliacdietitian@...

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

> Subject: (unknown)

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> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>

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>

> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>

> Changing Lifestyles

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>

> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>

> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

AT which part did you understand that I am against spending $$$ on nutrition

EDU?I think WIC programs should include nutrition EDU, as they do in NY and I am

sadly learning here that it is not the case in other states, and that needs to

be corrected. However, in lack of that, controlling how someone who uses tax $$

to support his/her family (which I am glad we have such means to support those

who are unfortunate) yet, and the same time since I pay for tis $$ I believe the

Gov, in my behalf, should have a way to control how this $$ is spent so that it

serves the purpose for which it was created and not by creating future health

problem.Controlling how food stamp $$ is spent is another way (not the best),

another form of educating someone what's better for their health.If you still

want the soda - you'll have to earn that $$ by yourself.and I don't know why

anyone would not want to have a say on how their tax $$ is spent. One way to

control it is by voting. If I don't like how one administration spent MY tax

$$$, I shell vote for the opposite party. We may not be able to control and

agree with every little movement the administration is doing, but if we agree

with the majority of their decision, that's fine - that's democracy. That's

only one way to control how our tax $$ is spent.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: pcharney@...

Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:40:15 -0700

Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

Merav,

It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods all

the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

education?

Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would believe.

A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some form

of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

require food assistance.

Regards,

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

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> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> how I do it.

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> To: rd-usa

> From: theonlineceliacdietitian@...

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

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> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

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> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>

> Changing Lifestyles

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>

> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>

> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>

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[Guest guest]

As I'm sure we're all aware, the two programs are entirely different.

If you're not familiar, this link provides a very basic explanation of

the two programs:

http://www.foodandsocietyfellows.org/digest/article/wic-snap-101-–-how-

do-these-programs-work

Because of the size of the SNAP program, how will you determine what

foods should be included? How much sugar will you allow? What about

gluten? How much fiber? What if all those healthy foods that you want

to include cost more? Do we simply reduce the benefit or do we, as a

caring and compassionate society, increase the funding? Taking all of

the " not in my backyard, not on my dollar " arguments out of this, how

will we come to some agreement on what is appropriate. You cannot

simply model after the WIC program, for obvious reasons. I

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

pcharney@...

> But Pam do you think WIC clients are stigmatized when they use WIC

> checks?

> Rigth on the check it tells them exactly what to buy...

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> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Pam Charney

> wrote:

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>> Merav,

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>> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods

>> all

>> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

>>

>> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

>> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

>> education?

>>

>> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would

>> believe.

>> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

>> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

>> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

>> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

>> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some

>> form

>> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

>> require food assistance.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Pam Charney

>> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

>>

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>>> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

>>> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

>>> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

>>> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

>>> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

>>> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

>>> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

>>> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

>>> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

>>> how I do it.

>>>

>>> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>>>

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>>>

>>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

>>> From: theonlineceliacdietitian@...<theonlineceliacdietitian

>>> %40yahoo.com>

>>> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

>>> Subject: (unknown)

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>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>

>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>

>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>

>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>

>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>

>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

et al,

I'd suggest that you all try to feed a family given the " typical " SNAP

allotment. There is no prime rib being served.

Before we start demonizing a segment of our population that typically

has no voice, let's use a little common sense and perhaps try to add

some compassion.

I've volunteered at food banks and seen what happens at the end of the

month when benefits run out. Have you ever volunteered and had to tell

a family that sorry, all we have is a case of jello and some paper

towels to offer you until 10 days from now?

I'm honestly surprised at the lack of understanding of what it's like

to be hungry in America. Maybe it'd be better if we try to find a

middle ground and rather than dig in our heels and say " not on my

dollar " , we work together to end hunger?

Regards,

p

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> I work in OK with the CNEP grant program. It is federally funded and

> we provide nutrition education to low-income individuals. I have

> said since I started that if you get food stamps, you should be

> required to take our program. Clients have to do something with WIC

> to get their vouchers. Maybe if food stamp people had to be hassled

> by a class, they would be less likely to sign up. I totally agree

> with having a food package like WIC does for food stamp recipients.

> Why should they get to use our tax $ to buy prime rib and t-bones,

> things that are a luxury at my house?

>

> Nickels, MS, RD/LD

> Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

> Behalf Of Pam Charney

> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:40 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

>

> Merav,

>

> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods all

> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

>

> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

> education?

>

> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would believe.

> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some form

> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

> require food assistance.

>

> Regards,

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com>

>

>

>

> >

> > It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> > a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> > certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> > period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> > someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> > this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> > individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> > food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> > start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> > how I do it.

> >

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >

> >

> >

> > To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > From:

theonlineceliacdietitian@...<mailto:theonlineceliacdietitian%40yahoo.com

> >

> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

> > Subject: (unknown)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >

> >

> >

> > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >

> > Changing Lifestyles

> >

> > Certified LEAP Therapist

> >

> > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >

> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >

> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have had people come into WIC apologizing for having to use the services

because usually of a job loss. But these are the exact people I want there -

they aren't looking for a handout - they want to get back to work and are

actively seeking employment.

I have had more than one person behind me " huff and puff " about my copious

use of coupons. I am NOT poor but I am frugal - I don't really care. Let

me note it is usually men and/or older people. I get asked more times

though how I do it rather than dirty looks though. (MY clue is to hand them

my blog business card).

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Nickels, <

jessica.nickels@...> wrote:

>

>

> I work in OK with the CNEP grant program. It is federally funded and we

> provide nutrition education to low-income individuals. I have said since I

> started that if you get food stamps, you should be required to take our

> program. Clients have to do something with WIC to get their vouchers. Maybe

> if food stamp people had to be hassled by a class, they would be less likely

> to sign up. I totally agree with having a food package like WIC does for

> food stamp recipients. Why should they get to use our tax $ to buy prime rib

> and t-bones, things that are a luxury at my house?

>

> Nickels, MS, RD/LD

> Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

>

> From: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:

> rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Pam

> Charney

> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:40 AM

>

> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

>

>

> Merav,

>

> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods all

> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

>

> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

> education?

>

> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would believe.

> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some form

> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

> require food assistance.

>

> Regards,

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

<pcharney%40mac.com><mailto:pcharney%40mac.com<pcharney%2540mac.com>

> >

>

>

>

>

> >

> > It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> > a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> > certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> > period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> > someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> > this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> > individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> > food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> > start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> > how I do it.

> >

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >

> >

> >

> > To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:

> rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com <rd-usa%2540yahoogroups.com>>

> > From:

theonlineceliacdietitian@...<theonlineceliacdietitian%40yahoo.com>

>

<mailto:theonlineceliacdietitian%40yahoo.com<theonlineceliacdietitian%2540yahoo.\

com>

> >

>

> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

> > Subject: (unknown)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >

> >

> >

> > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >

> > Changing Lifestyles

> >

> > Certified LEAP Therapist

> >

> > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >

> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >

> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That is where problem solving comes in...it is not a one week fix!! For ex.

you could start with dollar amounts (or %) has to go towards fresh, canned

or frozen fruits and vegetables. Even small stores can stock some if they

know it will be beneficial to their bottom line.

> As I'm sure we're all aware, the two programs are entirely different.

> If you're not familiar, this link provides a very basic explanation of

> the two programs:

>

>

http://www.foodandsocietyfellows.org/digest/article/wic-snap-101-–-how-<http://w\

ww.foodandsocietyfellows.org/digest/article/wic-snap-101-%E2%80%93-how->

> do-these-programs-work

>

> Because of the size of the SNAP program, how will you determine what

> foods should be included? How much sugar will you allow? What about

> gluten? How much fiber? What if all those healthy foods that you want

> to include cost more? Do we simply reduce the benefit or do we, as a

> caring and compassionate society, increase the funding? Taking all of

> the " not in my backyard, not on my dollar " arguments out of this, how

> will we come to some agreement on what is appropriate. You cannot

> simply model after the WIC program, for obvious reasons. I

>

> Pam Charney, PhD, RD

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

>

> > But Pam do you think WIC clients are stigmatized when they use WIC

> > checks?

> > Rigth on the check it tells them exactly what to buy...

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Pam Charney

> > wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Merav,

> >>

> >> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods

> >> all

> >> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

> >>

> >> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

> >> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

> >> education?

> >>

> >> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would

> >> believe.

> >> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

> >> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

> >> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

> >> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

> >> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some

> >> form

> >> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

> >> require food assistance.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> Pam Charney

> >> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> >>> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> >>> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> >>> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> >>> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> >>> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> >>> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> >>> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> >>> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> >>> how I do it.

> >>>

> >>> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> >>> From: theonlineceliacdietitian@...<theonlineceliacdietitian

> >>> %40yahoo.com>

> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

> >>> Subject: (unknown)

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>

> >>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>

> >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>

> >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>

> >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>

> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

That is where problem solving comes in...it is not a one week fix!! For ex.

you could start with dollar amounts (or %) has to go towards fresh, canned

or frozen fruits and vegetables. Even small stores can stock some if they

know it will be beneficial to their bottom line.

> As I'm sure we're all aware, the two programs are entirely different.

> If you're not familiar, this link provides a very basic explanation of

> the two programs:

>

>

http://www.foodandsocietyfellows.org/digest/article/wic-snap-101-–-how-<http://w\

ww.foodandsocietyfellows.org/digest/article/wic-snap-101-%E2%80%93-how->

> do-these-programs-work

>

> Because of the size of the SNAP program, how will you determine what

> foods should be included? How much sugar will you allow? What about

> gluten? How much fiber? What if all those healthy foods that you want

> to include cost more? Do we simply reduce the benefit or do we, as a

> caring and compassionate society, increase the funding? Taking all of

> the " not in my backyard, not on my dollar " arguments out of this, how

> will we come to some agreement on what is appropriate. You cannot

> simply model after the WIC program, for obvious reasons. I

>

> Pam Charney, PhD, RD

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

>

> > But Pam do you think WIC clients are stigmatized when they use WIC

> > checks?

> > Rigth on the check it tells them exactly what to buy...

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Pam Charney

> > wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Merav,

> >>

> >> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods

> >> all

> >> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

> >>

> >> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

> >> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

> >> education?

> >>

> >> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would

> >> believe.

> >> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

> >> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

> >> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

> >> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

> >> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some

> >> form

> >> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

> >> require food assistance.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> Pam Charney

> >> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> >>> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> >>> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> >>> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> >>> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> >>> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> >>> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> >>> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> >>> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> >>> how I do it.

> >>>

> >>> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> >>> From: theonlineceliacdietitian@...<theonlineceliacdietitian

> >>> %40yahoo.com>

> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

> >>> Subject: (unknown)

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>

> >>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>

> >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>

> >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>

> >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>

> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

We show our clients examples of a $20 healthy basket and $20 junk/ convience

basket. You get more food with the healthy. I am not saying they have to buy

organic but a bag of apples cost the same as the pop or bag of chips they are

buying. There need to be some limits set.

Nickels, MS, RD/LD

Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

(unknown)

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> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>

> >>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>

> >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>

> >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>

> >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>

> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

,

What a good idea; to start small and work up. Making change this way

would encourage making inroads into the " food deserts " that plague so

many urban areas. If adding a percentage of fresh fruits and

vegetables to the benefit could perhaps be added to some way to

encourage vendors to increase selection (or to even offer these

items), we're making inroads.

It is all about their bottom line. So we have to find a way to get

fresh produce to the urban areas (and have it still be fresh!), keep

the pricing appropriate, help vendors learn to market these items, and

to teach everyone (not just SNAP families) how to use/cook/enjoy these

foods, we'd also create a new market for RD services. Talk about

solving problems!

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> That is where problem solving comes in...it is not a one week fix!!

> For ex.

> you could start with dollar amounts (or %) has to go towards fresh,

> canned

> or frozen fruits and vegetables. Even small stores can stock some if

> they

> know it will be beneficial to their bottom line.

>

> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Pam Charney

> wrote:

>

>> As I'm sure we're all aware, the two programs are entirely different.

>> If you're not familiar, this link provides a very basic explanation

>> of

>> the two programs:

>>

>> http://www.foodandsocietyfellows.org/digest/article/wic-snap-101-–-

>>

how-<http://www.foodandsocietyfellows.org/digest/article/wic-snap-101-%E2%80%93-\

how-

>> >

>> do-these-programs-work

>>

>> Because of the size of the SNAP program, how will you determine what

>> foods should be included? How much sugar will you allow? What about

>> gluten? How much fiber? What if all those healthy foods that you want

>> to include cost more? Do we simply reduce the benefit or do we, as a

>> caring and compassionate society, increase the funding? Taking all of

>> the " not in my backyard, not on my dollar " arguments out of this, how

>> will we come to some agreement on what is appropriate. You cannot

>> simply model after the WIC program, for obvious reasons. I

>>

>> Pam Charney, PhD, RD

>> pcharney@...

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> But Pam do you think WIC clients are stigmatized when they use WIC

>>> checks?

>>> Rigth on the check it tells them exactly what to buy...

>>>

>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Pam Charney

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Merav,

>>>>

>>>> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods

>>>> all

>>>> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

>>>>

>>>> You don't want to spend more to support government programs,

>>>> correct?

>>>> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this

>>>> nutrition

>>>> education?

>>>>

>>>> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would

>>>> believe.

>>>> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not

>>>> want

>>>> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

>>>> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

>>>> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how

>>>> our

>>>> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some

>>>> form

>>>> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

>>>> require food assistance.

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>>

>>>> Pam Charney

>>>> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY

>>>>> but

>>>>> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

>>>>> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

>>>>> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

>>>>> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

>>>>> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

>>>>> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on

>>>>> unhealthy

>>>>> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

>>>>> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

>>>>> how I do it.

>>>>>

>>>>> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

>>>>> From: theonlineceliacdietitian@...<theonlineceliacdietitian

>>>>> %40yahoo.com>

>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

>>>>> Subject: (unknown)

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

>>>>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

>>>>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard.

>>>>> It

>>>>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

>>>>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are

>>>>> the

>>>>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

>>>>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

>>>>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

>>>>>

>>>>> Changing Lifestyles

>>>>>

>>>>> Certified LEAP Therapist

>>>>>

>>>>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

>>>>>

>>>>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

>>>>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

>>>>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

You are assuming they have access to the bag of apples.

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> We show our clients examples of a $20 healthy basket and $20 junk/

> convience basket. You get more food with the healthy. I am not

> saying they have to buy organic but a bag of apples cost the same as

> the pop or bag of chips they are buying. There need to be some

> limits set.

>

> Nickels, MS, RD/LD

> Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

>

> (unknown)

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

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> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> is

> > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> bridgecard. It

> > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> The

> > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> are the

> > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> is a

> > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > >>>

> > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > >>>

> > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > >>>

> > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > >>>

> > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > >>>

> > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> diseases,

> > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> intolerances

> > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

[Guest guest]

You are assuming they have access to the bag of apples.

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> We show our clients examples of a $20 healthy basket and $20 junk/

> convience basket. You get more food with the healthy. I am not

> saying they have to buy organic but a bag of apples cost the same as

> the pop or bag of chips they are buying. There need to be some

> limits set.

>

> Nickels, MS, RD/LD

> Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

>

> (unknown)

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

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> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> is

> > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> bridgecard. It

> > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> The

> > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> are the

> > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> is a

> > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > >>>

> > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > >>>

> > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > >>>

> > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > >>>

> > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > >>>

> > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> diseases,

> > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> intolerances

> > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

[Guest guest]

You are assuming they have access to the bag of apples.

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> We show our clients examples of a $20 healthy basket and $20 junk/

> convience basket. You get more food with the healthy. I am not

> saying they have to buy organic but a bag of apples cost the same as

> the pop or bag of chips they are buying. There need to be some

> limits set.

>

> Nickels, MS, RD/LD

> Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

>

> (unknown)

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

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> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> > >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that

> is

> > >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a

> bridgecard. It

> > >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it.

> The

> > >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that

> are the

> > >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there

> is a

> > >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> > >>>

> > >>> Changing Lifestyles

> > >>>

> > >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> > >>>

> > >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> > >>>

> > >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> > >>>

> > >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance

> diseases,

> > >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/

> intolerances

> > >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pam. yes, I'll admit I confused btwn the 2. Although somewhere in the

back of my mind I knew that WIC is for Women, Infants and Children up to 5 yo...

and SNAP is for families regardless of age, but in regards to income SO - if

SNAP doesn't have a nutrition EDU program to those eligible - maybe it should

be, but as I said before - another way to educate what good or not good for one

is by saying that with this $$ you cannot buy X, Y or Z. Just like when I give

$$ to my daughter she knows what she could use it for and if she doesn't- there

are consequences. She might not get this $$ again.and I agree completely that

luxury food like T-bone steak should not be included too.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> To: rd-usa

> From: pcharney@...

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:14:55 -0700

> Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

>

> As I'm sure we're all aware, the two programs are entirely different.

> If you're not familiar, this link provides a very basic explanation of

> the two programs:

>

> http://www.foodandsocietyfellows.org/digest/article/wic-snap-101-–-how-

> do-these-programs-work

>

> Because of the size of the SNAP program, how will you determine what

> foods should be included? How much sugar will you allow? What about

> gluten? How much fiber? What if all those healthy foods that you want

> to include cost more? Do we simply reduce the benefit or do we, as a

> caring and compassionate society, increase the funding? Taking all of

> the " not in my backyard, not on my dollar " arguments out of this, how

> will we come to some agreement on what is appropriate. You cannot

> simply model after the WIC program, for obvious reasons. I

>

> Pam Charney, PhD, RD

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

>

> > But Pam do you think WIC clients are stigmatized when they use WIC

> > checks?

> > Rigth on the check it tells them exactly what to buy...

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Pam Charney

> > wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Merav,

> >>

> >> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods

> >> all

> >> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

> >>

> >> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

> >> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

> >> education?

> >>

> >> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would

> >> believe.

> >> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

> >> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

> >> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

> >> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

> >> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some

> >> form

> >> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

> >> require food assistance.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> Pam Charney

> >> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> >>> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> >>> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> >>> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> >>> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> >>> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> >>> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> >>> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> >>> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> >>> how I do it.

> >>>

> >>> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> >>> From: theonlineceliacdietitian@...<theonlineceliacdietitian

> >>> %40yahoo.com>

> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

> >>> Subject: (unknown)

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>

> >>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>

> >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>

> >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>

> >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>

> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pam. yes, I'll admit I confused btwn the 2. Although somewhere in the

back of my mind I knew that WIC is for Women, Infants and Children up to 5 yo...

and SNAP is for families regardless of age, but in regards to income SO - if

SNAP doesn't have a nutrition EDU program to those eligible - maybe it should

be, but as I said before - another way to educate what good or not good for one

is by saying that with this $$ you cannot buy X, Y or Z. Just like when I give

$$ to my daughter she knows what she could use it for and if she doesn't- there

are consequences. She might not get this $$ again.and I agree completely that

luxury food like T-bone steak should not be included too.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> To: rd-usa

> From: pcharney@...

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:14:55 -0700

> Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

>

> As I'm sure we're all aware, the two programs are entirely different.

> If you're not familiar, this link provides a very basic explanation of

> the two programs:

>

> http://www.foodandsocietyfellows.org/digest/article/wic-snap-101-–-how-

> do-these-programs-work

>

> Because of the size of the SNAP program, how will you determine what

> foods should be included? How much sugar will you allow? What about

> gluten? How much fiber? What if all those healthy foods that you want

> to include cost more? Do we simply reduce the benefit or do we, as a

> caring and compassionate society, increase the funding? Taking all of

> the " not in my backyard, not on my dollar " arguments out of this, how

> will we come to some agreement on what is appropriate. You cannot

> simply model after the WIC program, for obvious reasons. I

>

> Pam Charney, PhD, RD

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

>

> > But Pam do you think WIC clients are stigmatized when they use WIC

> > checks?

> > Rigth on the check it tells them exactly what to buy...

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Pam Charney

> > wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Merav,

> >>

> >> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods

> >> all

> >> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

> >>

> >> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

> >> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

> >> education?

> >>

> >> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would

> >> believe.

> >> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

> >> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

> >> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

> >> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

> >> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some

> >> form

> >> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

> >> require food assistance.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> Pam Charney

> >> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> >>> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> >>> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> >>> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> >>> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> >>> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> >>> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> >>> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> >>> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> >>> how I do it.

> >>>

> >>> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> >>> From: theonlineceliacdietitian@...<theonlineceliacdietitian

> >>> %40yahoo.com>

> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

> >>> Subject: (unknown)

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>

> >>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>

> >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>

> >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>

> >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>

> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pam. yes, I'll admit I confused btwn the 2. Although somewhere in the

back of my mind I knew that WIC is for Women, Infants and Children up to 5 yo...

and SNAP is for families regardless of age, but in regards to income SO - if

SNAP doesn't have a nutrition EDU program to those eligible - maybe it should

be, but as I said before - another way to educate what good or not good for one

is by saying that with this $$ you cannot buy X, Y or Z. Just like when I give

$$ to my daughter she knows what she could use it for and if she doesn't- there

are consequences. She might not get this $$ again.and I agree completely that

luxury food like T-bone steak should not be included too.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> To: rd-usa

> From: pcharney@...

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:14:55 -0700

> Subject: Re: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

>

> As I'm sure we're all aware, the two programs are entirely different.

> If you're not familiar, this link provides a very basic explanation of

> the two programs:

>

> http://www.foodandsocietyfellows.org/digest/article/wic-snap-101-–-how-

> do-these-programs-work

>

> Because of the size of the SNAP program, how will you determine what

> foods should be included? How much sugar will you allow? What about

> gluten? How much fiber? What if all those healthy foods that you want

> to include cost more? Do we simply reduce the benefit or do we, as a

> caring and compassionate society, increase the funding? Taking all of

> the " not in my backyard, not on my dollar " arguments out of this, how

> will we come to some agreement on what is appropriate. You cannot

> simply model after the WIC program, for obvious reasons. I

>

> Pam Charney, PhD, RD

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

>

> > But Pam do you think WIC clients are stigmatized when they use WIC

> > checks?

> > Rigth on the check it tells them exactly what to buy...

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Pam Charney

> > wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Merav,

> >>

> >> It's not quite that simple. If it were, we'd all eat healthy foods

> >> all

> >> the time and we'd all get nutrition education all the time.

> >>

> >> You don't want to spend more to support government programs, correct?

> >> Well, then how are you going to suggest we pay for all this nutrition

> >> education?

> >>

> >> Complex problems are not quite as easy to solve as some would

> >> believe.

> >> A couple years ago on this very list I suggested that I did not want

> >> my tax dollars to support an unjust war. I was told by many of the

> >> same folks who are now saying that their tax dollars should not

> >> support food programs that sorry, we just don't get a say in how our

> >> tax dollars are spent. Well, that goes here as well. I favor some

> >> form

> >> of nutrition education, but I also favor not stigmatizing folks who

> >> require food assistance.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> Pam Charney

> >> pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> It is sad and needs to be corrected. I never worked in WIC in NY but

> >>> a friend did and as I said before - you are required to have a

> >>> certain amount of contact with clients for EDU in a given time

> >>> period.And even if we don't - if the tax $$$ is what pays for

> >>> someone's welfare benefits - the Gov should be able to control how

> >>> this $$ are spent. It is different then if you and I, as working

> >>> individuals, who pay our taxes, choose to spend our $$ on unhealthy

> >>> food. I work for my $$, I deserve to choose how to spend it. If I

> >>> start asking you to pay for my expenses, you should have a say in

> >>> how I do it.

> >>>

> >>> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> >>> From: theonlineceliacdietitian@...<theonlineceliacdietitian

> >>> %40yahoo.com>

> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:00:47 -0700

> >>> Subject: (unknown)

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>

> >>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>

> >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>

> >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>

> >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>

> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

the problem might be that they think " but my kids don't eat apples, they eat

chips " well....too bad. They should start eating apples if they want me to pay

for it

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: jessica.nickels@...

Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:29:43 -0500

Subject: RE: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

We show our clients examples of a $20 healthy basket and $20 junk/

convience basket. You get more food with the healthy. I am not saying they

have to buy organic but a bag of apples cost the same as the pop or bag of chips

they are buying. There need to be some limits set.

Nickels, MS, RD/LD

Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

(unknown)

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>

> >>> Changing Lifestyles

> >>>

> >>> Certified LEAP Therapist

> >>>

> >>> Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >>>

> >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >>>

> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

the problem might be that they think " but my kids don't eat apples, they eat

chips " well....too bad. They should start eating apples if they want me to pay

for it

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: jessica.nickels@...

Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:29:43 -0500

Subject: RE: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

We show our clients examples of a $20 healthy basket and $20 junk/

convience basket. You get more food with the healthy. I am not saying they

have to buy organic but a bag of apples cost the same as the pop or bag of chips

they are buying. There need to be some limits set.

Nickels, MS, RD/LD

Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

(unknown)

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> I know in the state of MI, individuals who are on the SNAP

> >>> program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> >>> required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> >>> has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> >>> cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> >>> excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> >>> table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> >>> prices. Sometimes they have bags.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >>>

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> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

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[Guest guest]

the problem might be that they think " but my kids don't eat apples, they eat

chips " well....too bad. They should start eating apples if they want me to pay

for it

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

To: rd-usa

From: jessica.nickels@...

Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:29:43 -0500

Subject: RE: food stamps and EDU(unknown)

We show our clients examples of a $20 healthy basket and $20 junk/

convience basket. You get more food with the healthy. I am not saying they

have to buy organic but a bag of apples cost the same as the pop or bag of chips

they are buying. There need to be some limits set.

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> >>> http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

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> >>> For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> >>> IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> >>> try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

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[Guest guest]

Obviously, you have not been to my grocery store. I have seen high end cuts of

meat being bought with foods stamps. I know that not every food stamp

participant spends their allotment this way. But why allow the ones that abuse

it to continue to do so. Food Stamps are also meant to supplement the grocery

bill. Some that are on FS are not looking for a job, not working, not doing

anything to supplement their food stamps or to help get off assistance. We have

had clients that get pregnant and are excited because they get more assistance.

As I said, not all have this mentality but several due. A food package system

is needed. I commend those states beginning to do this. Why do they need to by

junk with food stamps. Even more reason to buy nutritious foods with the little

amount of money they have. I have volunteered at our food pantry. We have

those that are working and still struggling to feed the family and we have

others that bounce from hand out to hand out working the system because they are

too lazy to find a job.

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Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

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> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

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> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

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> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

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[Guest guest]

Obviously, you have not been to my grocery store. I have seen high end cuts of

meat being bought with foods stamps. I know that not every food stamp

participant spends their allotment this way. But why allow the ones that abuse

it to continue to do so. Food Stamps are also meant to supplement the grocery

bill. Some that are on FS are not looking for a job, not working, not doing

anything to supplement their food stamps or to help get off assistance. We have

had clients that get pregnant and are excited because they get more assistance.

As I said, not all have this mentality but several due. A food package system

is needed. I commend those states beginning to do this. Why do they need to by

junk with food stamps. Even more reason to buy nutritious foods with the little

amount of money they have. I have volunteered at our food pantry. We have

those that are working and still struggling to feed the family and we have

others that bounce from hand out to hand out working the system because they are

too lazy to find a job.

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Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

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> > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

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> > Changing Lifestyles

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> > Certified LEAP Therapist

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> > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

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> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

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> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

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[Guest guest]

Obviously, you have not been to my grocery store. I have seen high end cuts of

meat being bought with foods stamps. I know that not every food stamp

participant spends their allotment this way. But why allow the ones that abuse

it to continue to do so. Food Stamps are also meant to supplement the grocery

bill. Some that are on FS are not looking for a job, not working, not doing

anything to supplement their food stamps or to help get off assistance. We have

had clients that get pregnant and are excited because they get more assistance.

As I said, not all have this mentality but several due. A food package system

is needed. I commend those states beginning to do this. Why do they need to by

junk with food stamps. Even more reason to buy nutritious foods with the little

amount of money they have. I have volunteered at our food pantry. We have

those that are working and still struggling to feed the family and we have

others that bounce from hand out to hand out working the system because they are

too lazy to find a job.

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Northwest Unit CNEP Area Coordinator

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> > program do not receive any dietary counseling at all. All that is

> > required is that you have a need and they give you a bridgecard. It

> > has only been recently that Flint's farmer's market takes it. The

> > cheapest place to get produce is at the roadside stands that are the

> > excesses from the individual's family garden. Typically there is a

> > table with a place for you to put your money and a list of the

> > prices. Sometimes they have bags.

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> > Theresa Cornelius, MS, RD, LDN CLT

> >

> > Changing Lifestyles

> >

> > Certified LEAP Therapist

> >

> > Licensed Provider for Real Living Nutrition Services

> >

> > http://www.reallivingnutrition.com/TheresaCornelius.aspx

> >

> > For disease management of celiac and gluten intolerance diseases,

> > IBS, IBD, fibromyalgia, migraines, and food allergies/intolerances

> > try http://nutrition.bitwine.com/advisors/tcorneli

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