Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 You are not screwed up! You need to talk to yourself in a more positive way. Part of the problem is highlighted in that first sentence. Self positive statements will help you. You are a lot smarter than you think. You are not screwed up for trying to get to the bottom of your health problems. In fact you are very courageous and very wise for doing so. That being said, I think you should see a psychologist to get to the root of your eating problems rather than a nutritionist. The fact that you are still eating poorly despite different foods means the problem may be coming from a lot deeper place than food. As we learned in the ED program I was in, food is the coping mechanism, not the actual problem. Try and see what a psychologist says and you may find yourself even closer to the roots of your problems. Take care!! Ameet > > Hi! > I'm screwed up!! I went to a nutritionist yesterday to see if all > of these symptoms I've had for years and year might be the result of > some food intolerances: constant fatigue, depression, insomnia, > inability to concentrate, constant cravings, etc. She said it > definitely sounds food-related and she put me on a three week " Food > Elimination Diet " to test which foods, if any, I might be intolerant > of. I have to avoid everything with corn (it's everywhere!,) wheat > (it's even MORE everywhere,) and dairy. Consequently, my food choices > are very, very narrow and I'm compulsively eating other foods just to > try and get the satisfaction that a more moderate amount of those foods > might bring me. Now I'm all screwed up. I think there's wisdom in the > idea of food intolerances, but I don't know how to test for it, and > perhaps give up certain problem foods, without becoming even more > obsessive and compulsive. Thoughts? - Caryn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Hi Ameet! Thanks for the response. I know I have psychological ties to food, I don't question that. It is my drug of choice. The conflict occurs when I try and give myself the option of eating all foods, because there is a large camp out there that says that some foods--like wheat and sugar, and sometimes corn and dairy--can actually set you up for cravings and for feelings of fatigue and depression. That's where the conflict comes between IE and what a lot of nutritionists recommend. Very confusing, because I know there is a lot of biochemical power in food, but I also know that as soon as I deny myself a certain food, even if it's done with the best intentions for health reasons, I start to obsess about it and eventually binge. As Ferris Bueller's teacher would say . . . anyone? Anyone? - Caryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 > there is a large camp out there that says that some foods--like > wheat and sugar, and sometimes corn and dairy--can actually set you up > for cravings and for feelings of fatigue and depression. That's where > the conflict comes between IE and what a lot of nutritionists > recommend. My feeling is this: if I am eating foods (in hunger and satisfaction) that are " real " foods: i.e. actual sugar, bakery bread (or homemade), real cheese, I honestly don't believe that they - in and of themselves - can " set you up " for those feelings. I do believe that chemicals (high fructose corn syrup, Equal, Olestra, etc.) CAN affect one in ways that are bad. I haven't given up chemicals entirely, but I try to steer toward more natural foods. Mostly because they taste so much better. (See someone's comment about the difference between coffee with cream and sugar, and coffee with CoffeeMate.) And most nutritionists I know do not say you should avoid all wheat (especially whole wheat), sugar, corn and dairy -- unless you truly have an allergy or intolerance. And if you truly do, then I think it IS intuitive to avoid things that make you feel sick. This is my .02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 > there is a large camp out there that says that some foods--like > wheat and sugar, and sometimes corn and dairy--can actually set you up > for cravings and for feelings of fatigue and depression. That's where > the conflict comes between IE and what a lot of nutritionists > recommend. My feeling is this: if I am eating foods (in hunger and satisfaction) that are " real " foods: i.e. actual sugar, bakery bread (or homemade), real cheese, I honestly don't believe that they - in and of themselves - can " set you up " for those feelings. I do believe that chemicals (high fructose corn syrup, Equal, Olestra, etc.) CAN affect one in ways that are bad. I haven't given up chemicals entirely, but I try to steer toward more natural foods. Mostly because they taste so much better. (See someone's comment about the difference between coffee with cream and sugar, and coffee with CoffeeMate.) And most nutritionists I know do not say you should avoid all wheat (especially whole wheat), sugar, corn and dairy -- unless you truly have an allergy or intolerance. And if you truly do, then I think it IS intuitive to avoid things that make you feel sick. This is my .02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 > there is a large camp out there that says that some foods--like > wheat and sugar, and sometimes corn and dairy--can actually set you up > for cravings and for feelings of fatigue and depression. That's where > the conflict comes between IE and what a lot of nutritionists > recommend. My feeling is this: if I am eating foods (in hunger and satisfaction) that are " real " foods: i.e. actual sugar, bakery bread (or homemade), real cheese, I honestly don't believe that they - in and of themselves - can " set you up " for those feelings. I do believe that chemicals (high fructose corn syrup, Equal, Olestra, etc.) CAN affect one in ways that are bad. I haven't given up chemicals entirely, but I try to steer toward more natural foods. Mostly because they taste so much better. (See someone's comment about the difference between coffee with cream and sugar, and coffee with CoffeeMate.) And most nutritionists I know do not say you should avoid all wheat (especially whole wheat), sugar, corn and dairy -- unless you truly have an allergy or intolerance. And if you truly do, then I think it IS intuitive to avoid things that make you feel sick. This is my .02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 I'm hoping you get good results for all that hard effort you are going thru. I can't help but wonder why you are trying to 'test' only ONE of those food types at a time? Like if you eliminate corn, wheat AND diary at the same time, how do you know WHICH one is the cause (assuming you get a non-reaction after this)?? > > Hi! > I'm screwed up!! I went to a nutritionist yesterday to see if all > of these symptoms I've had for years and year might be the result of > some food intolerances: constant fatigue, depression, insomnia, > inability to concentrate, constant cravings, etc. She said it > definitely sounds food-related and she put me on a three week " Food > Elimination Diet " to test which foods, if any, I might be intolerant > of. I have to avoid everything with corn (it's everywhere!,) wheat > (it's even MORE everywhere,) and dairy. Consequently, my food choices > are very, very narrow and I'm compulsively eating other foods just to > try and get the satisfaction that a more moderate amount of those foods > might bring me. Now I'm all screwed up. I think there's wisdom in the > idea of food intolerances, but I don't know how to test for it, and > perhaps give up certain problem foods, without becoming even more > obsessive and compulsive. Thoughts? - Caryn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 I'm hoping you get good results for all that hard effort you are going thru. I can't help but wonder why you are trying to 'test' only ONE of those food types at a time? Like if you eliminate corn, wheat AND diary at the same time, how do you know WHICH one is the cause (assuming you get a non-reaction after this)?? > > Hi! > I'm screwed up!! I went to a nutritionist yesterday to see if all > of these symptoms I've had for years and year might be the result of > some food intolerances: constant fatigue, depression, insomnia, > inability to concentrate, constant cravings, etc. She said it > definitely sounds food-related and she put me on a three week " Food > Elimination Diet " to test which foods, if any, I might be intolerant > of. I have to avoid everything with corn (it's everywhere!,) wheat > (it's even MORE everywhere,) and dairy. Consequently, my food choices > are very, very narrow and I'm compulsively eating other foods just to > try and get the satisfaction that a more moderate amount of those foods > might bring me. Now I'm all screwed up. I think there's wisdom in the > idea of food intolerances, but I don't know how to test for it, and > perhaps give up certain problem foods, without becoming even more > obsessive and compulsive. Thoughts? - Caryn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 I'm hoping you get good results for all that hard effort you are going thru. I can't help but wonder why you are trying to 'test' only ONE of those food types at a time? Like if you eliminate corn, wheat AND diary at the same time, how do you know WHICH one is the cause (assuming you get a non-reaction after this)?? > > Hi! > I'm screwed up!! I went to a nutritionist yesterday to see if all > of these symptoms I've had for years and year might be the result of > some food intolerances: constant fatigue, depression, insomnia, > inability to concentrate, constant cravings, etc. She said it > definitely sounds food-related and she put me on a three week " Food > Elimination Diet " to test which foods, if any, I might be intolerant > of. I have to avoid everything with corn (it's everywhere!,) wheat > (it's even MORE everywhere,) and dairy. Consequently, my food choices > are very, very narrow and I'm compulsively eating other foods just to > try and get the satisfaction that a more moderate amount of those foods > might bring me. Now I'm all screwed up. I think there's wisdom in the > idea of food intolerances, but I don't know how to test for it, and > perhaps give up certain problem foods, without becoming even more > obsessive and compulsive. Thoughts? - Caryn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Katcha, the way food allergies and intolerances are usually traced is by first eliminating the most likely offenders. Then, they add those foods back into the diet one by one with a waiting period before adding the next one. Many people who have allergies/intolerances have problems with more than one food. Therefore, eliminating foods one at a time doesn't give as clear a picture as adding them one at a time. > > I'm hoping you get good results for all that hard effort you are going > thru. I can't help but wonder why you are trying to 'test' only ONE of > those food types at a time? Like if you eliminate corn, wheat AND > diary at the same time, how do you know WHICH one is the cause > (assuming you get a non-reaction after this)?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Interesting. Sort of like taking one step back to go two forward? I'm sure there is a method to this, it just didn't seem logical to me to 'scatter gun' it to start. > > > > I'm hoping you get good results for all that hard effort you are going > > thru. I can't help but wonder why you are trying to 'test' only ONE of > > those food types at a time? Like if you eliminate corn, wheat AND > > diary at the same time, how do you know WHICH one is the cause > > (assuming you get a non-reaction after this)?? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Most nutritionists would, however, reccomend you limit refined sugar. Refined Sugar is chemically pure in the same way heroin is chemically pure...it's nutritionally empty and limits your ability to trully discern what's a craving and what's a bodily need. There was a study done with babies; they set out plates of food from different food groups and allowed the babies to self-feed for the day, wandering from plate to plate. While the babies did not necessarily eat balanced MEALS, they overall at the end of the day almost 100% were able to get in a balanced food intake for the day. Born intuitive eaters! However, once a plate of foods featuring refined sugar was introduced into the mix, the babies lost their ability to eat intuitively and almost all went for the sugary foods more often than the other choices. Just something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Most nutritionists would, however, reccomend you limit refined sugar. Refined Sugar is chemically pure in the same way heroin is chemically pure...it's nutritionally empty and limits your ability to trully discern what's a craving and what's a bodily need. There was a study done with babies; they set out plates of food from different food groups and allowed the babies to self-feed for the day, wandering from plate to plate. While the babies did not necessarily eat balanced MEALS, they overall at the end of the day almost 100% were able to get in a balanced food intake for the day. Born intuitive eaters! However, once a plate of foods featuring refined sugar was introduced into the mix, the babies lost their ability to eat intuitively and almost all went for the sugary foods more often than the other choices. Just something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Most nutritionists would, however, reccomend you limit refined sugar. Refined Sugar is chemically pure in the same way heroin is chemically pure...it's nutritionally empty and limits your ability to trully discern what's a craving and what's a bodily need. There was a study done with babies; they set out plates of food from different food groups and allowed the babies to self-feed for the day, wandering from plate to plate. While the babies did not necessarily eat balanced MEALS, they overall at the end of the day almost 100% were able to get in a balanced food intake for the day. Born intuitive eaters! However, once a plate of foods featuring refined sugar was introduced into the mix, the babies lost their ability to eat intuitively and almost all went for the sugary foods more often than the other choices. Just something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Too true. I think that glucose (white sugar) goes straight from the stomach right into the blood stream - almost a 'hit'! But starches like pasta and even white flour need to be broken down into glucose before the body can use it. That's gotta be a reason why sugar is so 'instant' a satisfying feeling, but doesn't last as long as the slow release of the glucose made by eating carbos that need digesting (and take longer to produce a satisfaction feeling). Who says it takes too long to get smart?!? Babies KNOW better than we adults!! ;-) (back to inner child work? :) > > Most nutritionists would, however, reccomend you limit refined sugar. > Refined Sugar is chemically pure in the same way heroin is chemically > pure...it's nutritionally empty and limits your ability to trully > discern what's a craving and what's a bodily need. > > There was a study done with babies; they set out plates of food from > different food groups and allowed the babies to self-feed for the day, > wandering from plate to plate. While the babies did not necessarily eat > balanced MEALS, they overall at the end of the day almost 100% were > able to get in a balanced food intake for the day. Born intuitive > eaters! > > However, once a plate of foods featuring refined sugar was introduced > into the mix, the babies lost their ability to eat intuitively and > almost all went for the sugary foods more often than the other choices. > > Just something to think about. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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