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what's wrong with listening to art bell every so often? as long as i apply

the critical thinking skills i learned in college i'll be ok. right? i mean

after all i managed to leave the aa cult after four years of brain washing.

ok. but, then that was before i had started college and i did'nt know any

better. now i do.

>From: AppleDTP@...

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>To: 12-step-freeeGroups

>Subject: wanna-be NA guru

>Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:48:44 -0700

>

>Hi :

>So what was the guru's comment? Do tell!

>Apple

>

>

> > :

> >

> > Another theory debunked....oh well.

> >

> > Thanks for the " Broca's " link. I think I heard of this man in

>freshman or

> > sophmore pschologly. Did'nt he study human language? Must have

>donated his

> > brain to science. And no, I am not a seudo science junkie. Just

>curious.

> > Thanks

> >

> > I could'nt stand the comment of a wanna be N.A. guru at the meeting

>tonight

> > so I walked out. What a sad state of affairs this is! The blind

>leading

> > the blind to HELL! aaaarg.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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what's wrong with listening to art bell every so often? as long as i apply

the critical thinking skills i learned in college i'll be ok. right? i mean

after all i managed to leave the aa cult after four years of brain washing.

ok. but, then that was before i had started college and i did'nt know any

better. now i do.

>From: AppleDTP@...

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: 12-step-freeeGroups

>Subject: wanna-be NA guru

>Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:48:44 -0700

>

>Hi :

>So what was the guru's comment? Do tell!

>Apple

>

>

> > :

> >

> > Another theory debunked....oh well.

> >

> > Thanks for the " Broca's " link. I think I heard of this man in

>freshman or

> > sophmore pschologly. Did'nt he study human language? Must have

>donated his

> > brain to science. And no, I am not a seudo science junkie. Just

>curious.

> > Thanks

> >

> > I could'nt stand the comment of a wanna be N.A. guru at the meeting

>tonight

> > so I walked out. What a sad state of affairs this is! The blind

>leading

> > the blind to HELL! aaaarg.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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>http://clickhere./click/751

>

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jerry trotchie wrote:

>

> what's wrong with listening to art bell every so often? as long as i apply

> the critical thinking skills i learned in college i'll be ok. right? i mean

> after all i managed to leave the aa cult after four years of brain washing.

> ok. but, then that was before i had started college and i did'nt know any

> better. now i do.

>

Hi Jerry,

Nothing wrong with listening to the Art Bell circus of clowns, as long as we

know it's just a circus. I often listen to the circus, finding the clowns very

entertaining. Sadly, as entertaining as this circus is, Art Bell and his

growing legions are proof of the fading light of true science in western

culture. Ironically, Science, which gave birth to the technology that powers

the " mis " -information society, is being buried under an onslaught of pseudo

science.

Pseudo science, as represented in the medical model of addiction, is more than

a simple annoyance to free and critical thinkers. The 12 steps to ignorance, by

shrouding themselves in medical science, attempt to hide their anti intellectual

and superstitious nature. They don't have to hide very well, we live in a

society already entrenched in intellect hating mystical belief systems. After

all, Adam and Eve were forbidden fruit only from the Tree of Knowledge. There

is a reason for the step zombie clichés such as; " Your best thinking got you

here " , " stinking thinking " , and " Some people are too smart to recover " .

Critical thinking is difficult while your brain is soaked in alcohol and drugs.

AA/NA aims to take advantage of this venerability By indoctrinating it's

converts hard and fast, " Ninety meetings in ninety days " , " take the cotton out

of your ears and put it in your mouth " , " Work the program or die "

It is not unexpected that a mystical cult like AA/NA can find fertile ground in

a culture were Art Bell's insults to intelligence thrive. But hey, it's still

fun to listen to sometimes, if only to know the enemy a little better.

for Jerry and the rest of use critical thinkers out here I'll pass on this

interesting link, http://www.skeptic.com/index.html

--

" You morons, it's obvious why you can't figure out how many angles are on the

head of that pin, all the angles are in heaven " .

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Apple:

This man started his rant with an example of how he is a diseased addicted

person and has his disease shows itself in other areas of his life that are

outside substance abuse. He talked about a home project and how the

frustration experienced from that project has a direct link to his disease

of which he is powerless to control. He is an addiction therapist at the

local VA, 46 years old (looks like he's 56), has emphysema, continues to

chain smoke, and does not hesitate to comment on how important it is to come

to meetings. Help that includes professional mental health care is

discouraged by this man as he claims addicts can only help and understand

another addict. It is obvious to me that he has severe uderlying psychiatry

that restricts him from thinking in rational logical and terms and until he

addresses those issues, he is going to remain a miserable person. Needs

some (REBT) The tragedy here is the observation that the younger and more

desperate youth see him as a guru of sort. I believe that many people,

especially youth, learn best from visual examples. What message is this man

giving when he states his perceived powerlessness over a controlable

behavior then walks outside coffing from his lung disease and lits up!

Never does he give the very powerful message that smoking is bad for you,

look at what it done for me! Sometimes I wonder what is most important at

these meetings. Surely its not a health issue.

wanna-be NA guru

> Hi :

> So what was the guru's comment? Do tell!

> Apple

>

>

> > :

> >

> > Another theory debunked....oh well.

> >

> > Thanks for the " Broca's " link. I think I heard of this man in

> freshman or

> > sophmore pschologly. Did'nt he study human language? Must have

> donated his

> > brain to science. And no, I am not a seudo science junkie. Just

> curious.

> > Thanks

> >

> > I could'nt stand the comment of a wanna be N.A. guru at the meeting

> tonight

> > so I walked out. What a sad state of affairs this is! The blind

> leading

> > the blind to HELL! aaaarg.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> ebates.com. Earn up to 25% cash back for shopping online at 75 stores

> like Borders, CDNow and Beyond.com. Refer a friend and earn even more!

> http://clickhere./click/751

>

>

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> - Simplifying group communications

>

>

>

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Apple:

This man started his rant with an example of how he is a diseased addicted

person and has his disease shows itself in other areas of his life that are

outside substance abuse. He talked about a home project and how the

frustration experienced from that project has a direct link to his disease

of which he is powerless to control. He is an addiction therapist at the

local VA, 46 years old (looks like he's 56), has emphysema, continues to

chain smoke, and does not hesitate to comment on how important it is to come

to meetings. Help that includes professional mental health care is

discouraged by this man as he claims addicts can only help and understand

another addict. It is obvious to me that he has severe uderlying psychiatry

that restricts him from thinking in rational logical and terms and until he

addresses those issues, he is going to remain a miserable person. Needs

some (REBT) The tragedy here is the observation that the younger and more

desperate youth see him as a guru of sort. I believe that many people,

especially youth, learn best from visual examples. What message is this man

giving when he states his perceived powerlessness over a controlable

behavior then walks outside coffing from his lung disease and lits up!

Never does he give the very powerful message that smoking is bad for you,

look at what it done for me! Sometimes I wonder what is most important at

these meetings. Surely its not a health issue.

wanna-be NA guru

> Hi :

> So what was the guru's comment? Do tell!

> Apple

>

>

> > :

> >

> > Another theory debunked....oh well.

> >

> > Thanks for the " Broca's " link. I think I heard of this man in

> freshman or

> > sophmore pschologly. Did'nt he study human language? Must have

> donated his

> > brain to science. And no, I am not a seudo science junkie. Just

> curious.

> > Thanks

> >

> > I could'nt stand the comment of a wanna be N.A. guru at the meeting

> tonight

> > so I walked out. What a sad state of affairs this is! The blind

> leading

> > the blind to HELL! aaaarg.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> ebates.com. Earn up to 25% cash back for shopping online at 75 stores

> like Borders, CDNow and Beyond.com. Refer a friend and earn even more!

> http://clickhere./click/751

>

>

> eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free

> - Simplifying group communications

>

>

>

>

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Jerry:

Your message has a familiar style of reasoning. I think they call it

circular reasoning or something. Very common at the meetings that attend.

As you know, faulty logic is the basis for most cult like dogma that is

found in steppism. Let us throw the shrouds off this beast and expose him!!

Re: wanna-be NA guru

jerry trotchie wrote:

>

> what's wrong with listening to art bell every so often? as long as i apply

> the critical thinking skills i learned in college i'll be ok. right? i

mean

> after all i managed to leave the aa cult after four years of brain

washing.

> ok. but, then that was before i had started college and i did'nt know any

> better. now i do.

>

Hi Jerry,

Nothing wrong with listening to the Art Bell circus of clowns, as long as we

know it's just a circus. I often listen to the circus, finding the clowns

very

entertaining. Sadly, as entertaining as this circus is, Art Bell and his

growing legions are proof of the fading light of true science in western

culture. Ironically, Science, which gave birth to the technology that

powers

the " mis " -information society, is being buried under an onslaught of pseudo

science.

Pseudo science, as represented in the medical model of addiction, is more

than

a simple annoyance to free and critical thinkers. The 12 steps to

ignorance, by

shrouding themselves in medical science, attempt to hide their anti

intellectual

and superstitious nature. They don't have to hide very well, we live in a

society already entrenched in intellect hating mystical belief systems.

After

all, Adam and Eve were forbidden fruit only from the Tree of Knowledge.

There

is a reason for the step zombie clichés such as; " Your best thinking got you

here " , " stinking thinking " , and " Some people are too smart to recover " .

Critical thinking is difficult while your brain is soaked in alcohol and

drugs.

AA/NA aims to take advantage of this venerability By indoctrinating it's

converts hard and fast, " Ninety meetings in ninety days " , " take the cotton

out

of your ears and put it in your mouth " , " Work the program or die "

It is not unexpected that a mystical cult like AA/NA can find fertile ground

in

a culture were Art Bell's insults to intelligence thrive. But hey, it's

still

fun to listen to sometimes, if only to know the enemy a little better.

for Jerry and the rest of use critical thinkers out here I'll pass on this

interesting link, http://www.skeptic.com/index.html

--

" You morons, it's obvious why you can't figure out how many angles are on

the

head of that pin, all the angles are in heaven " .

------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Jerry:

Your message has a familiar style of reasoning. I think they call it

circular reasoning or something. Very common at the meetings that attend.

As you know, faulty logic is the basis for most cult like dogma that is

found in steppism. Let us throw the shrouds off this beast and expose him!!

Re: wanna-be NA guru

jerry trotchie wrote:

>

> what's wrong with listening to art bell every so often? as long as i apply

> the critical thinking skills i learned in college i'll be ok. right? i

mean

> after all i managed to leave the aa cult after four years of brain

washing.

> ok. but, then that was before i had started college and i did'nt know any

> better. now i do.

>

Hi Jerry,

Nothing wrong with listening to the Art Bell circus of clowns, as long as we

know it's just a circus. I often listen to the circus, finding the clowns

very

entertaining. Sadly, as entertaining as this circus is, Art Bell and his

growing legions are proof of the fading light of true science in western

culture. Ironically, Science, which gave birth to the technology that

powers

the " mis " -information society, is being buried under an onslaught of pseudo

science.

Pseudo science, as represented in the medical model of addiction, is more

than

a simple annoyance to free and critical thinkers. The 12 steps to

ignorance, by

shrouding themselves in medical science, attempt to hide their anti

intellectual

and superstitious nature. They don't have to hide very well, we live in a

society already entrenched in intellect hating mystical belief systems.

After

all, Adam and Eve were forbidden fruit only from the Tree of Knowledge.

There

is a reason for the step zombie clichés such as; " Your best thinking got you

here " , " stinking thinking " , and " Some people are too smart to recover " .

Critical thinking is difficult while your brain is soaked in alcohol and

drugs.

AA/NA aims to take advantage of this venerability By indoctrinating it's

converts hard and fast, " Ninety meetings in ninety days " , " take the cotton

out

of your ears and put it in your mouth " , " Work the program or die "

It is not unexpected that a mystical cult like AA/NA can find fertile ground

in

a culture were Art Bell's insults to intelligence thrive. But hey, it's

still

fun to listen to sometimes, if only to know the enemy a little better.

for Jerry and the rest of use critical thinkers out here I'll pass on this

interesting link, http://www.skeptic.com/index.html

--

" You morons, it's obvious why you can't figure out how many angles are on

the

head of that pin, all the angles are in heaven " .

------------------------------------------------------------------------

ebates.com. Earn up to 25% cash back for shopping online at 75 stores

like Borders, CDNow and Beyond.com. Refer a friend and earn even more!

http://clickhere./click/690

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