Re: Jogging While Hypo Debbie & All

August 9, 2001

Nick,

I certainly appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post. Your

message came across loud and clear. When you refer to " the edge " , in medical

terms, to what are you referring? Heart attack? Or do I just fall down and

go boom?

While I don't for one second refute what you wrote, I feel compelled to add

that my symptoms significantly disappeared after my short run last night (and

in 90 degree heat, too), and I feel better today (so far), too. Any feedback

on that?

Thanks,

Debbi

In a message dated 8/9/01 9:29:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

nmr1231@... writes:

> Subj: Jogging While Hypo Debbie & All

> Date: 8/9/01 9:29:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time

> From: nmr1231@... (Nick Rusko)

> Reply-to: <A HREF= " mailto:Thyca " >Thyca </A>

> To: Thyca

>

> Hi Debbie,

>

> I ain't pickin' on ya ; " and thyca members alike: " <-- you wrote:

> :-)

>

> " no worse for wear " <-- by _your_

> measure.

>

> Perspective, relationship & balance:

>

> Lead when used as ballast in the keel of a sailing vessel is an example

> of a good-use relationship & balance.

>

> The lever-arm exerted by the wind against the sail and mast creates a

> tremendous force of pressure that tries to tip the vessel over. Lead is the

> medium by which to counter the force of the wind. Here is a " relationship "

> of force verses counter balance. This is a good use of lead.

>

> Running & biking are a good relationship, like lead, to the " balance " of

> the health of the body.. when the body is in a/the healthy state.

>

> When one becomes hypo for testing.. the body gradually becomes

> un-healthy (stress) by reason of disfunction due to withdrawal of t4

> hormone. This effect is not slight but of great force as is the wind

> against the sail. And YOU HAVE NO COUNTER-BALANCE! so over time.. the

> stress of the force will try to " tip " the body over. The " view " of this is

> measured in how we _feel_ while being hypo. The stress cannot be measured

> directly but only through measure of the amount and degree that we

> experience discomfort or diminished capacity.

> We cannot " see " just what is happening at the molecular level within our

> bodies. But the forces being applied will eventually " tip-the-body-over " .

> (greatly out-of-balance)

>

> It is true that those of vigorous physical exercise habit fare better

> after accidents, operations and stress in general. And we have seen here on

> this List that many who are in excellent health, otherwise.. do better with

> hypo than do the rest.

>

> Ummm.. however.. the stresses induced are the same whether being

> physically fit or not, for everyone that goes hypo. It is only that some

> bodies handle the stresses differently, this being due to individual

> make-up and capacities.

>

> Since you bike.. a clear example of just what the stress is, can be

> understood by your taking a 10 speed bike and starting from a dead stop in

> 10th gear instead of 1st.

>

> As you know.. this is _very_ difficult to do and EXTREMELY stressful to

> accomplish.

>

> If you are in excellent physical condition.. then _your_ body will be

> able to deal with the 10th gear stress much more effectively than for

> someone who does not train.

>

> Remember, though.. the stress of being hypo will continue for up to

> several months duration. Not just minutes or hours.

>

> And lastly, in addition to starting out in 10th gear... you are also on a

> 9 degree upgrade-hill. This 10 degree-hill being the aspect of diminishing

> food process(ing) and elimination of capability. So exercising, while hypo,

> is like handing lead to a person that is drowning.

>

> You can do it .. but it ain't healthy :-)

>

> Those that exercise , too late, before, during and too soon after may

> be proud of their bodies and pleased with themselves but may never know

> just how close to the " edge " they were.

>

> I for one.. don't even _want_ to " test " just where the " edge " might be.

> Because the price for that knowledge might just be(come) too costly.

>

> If you had a broken leg.. would you be running/biking? Being Hypo is a

> " breaking " or an upsetting of the function of the body as a whole not

> " just " the leg.

>

> There is a time & place for all activity(ies) and Perspective,

> relationship & balance are the key, as to the " when "

>

> Being HyPo places one in a circumstance similar to the following

> scenerio:

>

> ( Picture 2 goldfish standing _outside_ their bowl and observing a fire

> that is burning inside. One turns to the other and says; " and now we're

> REALLY screwed! " )

>

> " dammed if you do and dammed if you don't " (HyPo)

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Nick

>

> At 8/8/01 08:12 PM, you wrote:

> >To the doctors and thyca members alike:

> >

> >I am Day #3 off Cytomel. My TT was about 4 weeks ago. I have definitely

> >begun to feel the symptons of becoming hypothyroid for the past two weeks

> >now-each day getting tougher.

> >

> >I have been running and biking for years regularly. Is it dangerous for

> me

> >to try to do an abbreviated run now? I just ran about 2/3 of my normal

> >distance and feel " no worse for wear " from it. I felt like poop before I

> >went, but I decided that if my legs could move me into the kitchen for

> food,

> >then they could propel me around the track.

> >

> >However, I don't want to do anything that would put me in danger.

> >

> >Thanks in advance.

> >

> >Debbi

> >dx pap thyca 5/01

> >TT 7/01

> >2cm tumor/no spread to nodes

> >RAI sch 8/01

>

> For more information regarding thyroid cancer visit www.thyca.org. If you

> do not wish to belong to this group, you may UNSUBSCRIBE by sending a blank

> email to thyca-unsubscribe

>

August 9, 2001

Nick,

I certainly appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post. Your

message came across loud and clear. When you refer to " the edge " , in medical

terms, to what are you referring? Heart attack? Or do I just fall down and

go boom?

While I don't for one second refute what you wrote, I feel compelled to add

that my symptoms significantly disappeared after my short run last night (and

in 90 degree heat, too), and I feel better today (so far), too. Any feedback

on that?

Thanks,

Debbi

In a message dated 8/9/01 9:29:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

nmr1231@... writes:

> Subj: Jogging While Hypo Debbie & All

> Date: 8/9/01 9:29:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time

> From: nmr1231@... (Nick Rusko)

> Reply-to: <A HREF= " mailto:Thyca " >Thyca </A>

> To: Thyca

>

> Hi Debbie,

>

> I ain't pickin' on ya ; " and thyca members alike: " <-- you wrote:

> :-)

>

> " no worse for wear " <-- by _your_

> measure.

>

> Perspective, relationship & balance:

>

> Lead when used as ballast in the keel of a sailing vessel is an example

> of a good-use relationship & balance.

>

> The lever-arm exerted by the wind against the sail and mast creates a

> tremendous force of pressure that tries to tip the vessel over. Lead is the

> medium by which to counter the force of the wind. Here is a " relationship "

> of force verses counter balance. This is a good use of lead.

>

> Running & biking are a good relationship, like lead, to the " balance " of

> the health of the body.. when the body is in a/the healthy state.

>

> When one becomes hypo for testing.. the body gradually becomes

> un-healthy (stress) by reason of disfunction due to withdrawal of t4

> hormone. This effect is not slight but of great force as is the wind

> against the sail. And YOU HAVE NO COUNTER-BALANCE! so over time.. the

> stress of the force will try to " tip " the body over. The " view " of this is

> measured in how we _feel_ while being hypo. The stress cannot be measured

> directly but only through measure of the amount and degree that we

> experience discomfort or diminished capacity.

> We cannot " see " just what is happening at the molecular level within our

> bodies. But the forces being applied will eventually " tip-the-body-over " .

> (greatly out-of-balance)

>

> It is true that those of vigorous physical exercise habit fare better

> after accidents, operations and stress in general. And we have seen here on

> this List that many who are in excellent health, otherwise.. do better with

> hypo than do the rest.

>

> Ummm.. however.. the stresses induced are the same whether being

> physically fit or not, for everyone that goes hypo. It is only that some

> bodies handle the stresses differently, this being due to individual

> make-up and capacities.

>

> Since you bike.. a clear example of just what the stress is, can be

> understood by your taking a 10 speed bike and starting from a dead stop in

> 10th gear instead of 1st.

>

> As you know.. this is _very_ difficult to do and EXTREMELY stressful to

> accomplish.

>

> If you are in excellent physical condition.. then _your_ body will be

> able to deal with the 10th gear stress much more effectively than for

> someone who does not train.

>

> Remember, though.. the stress of being hypo will continue for up to

> several months duration. Not just minutes or hours.

>

> And lastly, in addition to starting out in 10th gear... you are also on a

> 9 degree upgrade-hill. This 10 degree-hill being the aspect of diminishing

> food process(ing) and elimination of capability. So exercising, while hypo,

> is like handing lead to a person that is drowning.

>

> You can do it .. but it ain't healthy :-)

>

> Those that exercise , too late, before, during and too soon after may

> be proud of their bodies and pleased with themselves but may never know

> just how close to the " edge " they were.

>

> I for one.. don't even _want_ to " test " just where the " edge " might be.

> Because the price for that knowledge might just be(come) too costly.

>

> If you had a broken leg.. would you be running/biking? Being Hypo is a

> " breaking " or an upsetting of the function of the body as a whole not

> " just " the leg.

>

> There is a time & place for all activity(ies) and Perspective,

> relationship & balance are the key, as to the " when "

>

> Being HyPo places one in a circumstance similar to the following

> scenerio:

>

> ( Picture 2 goldfish standing _outside_ their bowl and observing a fire

> that is burning inside. One turns to the other and says; " and now we're

> REALLY screwed! " )

>

> " dammed if you do and dammed if you don't " (HyPo)

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Nick

>

> At 8/8/01 08:12 PM, you wrote:

> >To the doctors and thyca members alike:

> >

> >I am Day #3 off Cytomel. My TT was about 4 weeks ago. I have definitely

> >begun to feel the symptons of becoming hypothyroid for the past two weeks

> >now-each day getting tougher.

> >

> >I have been running and biking for years regularly. Is it dangerous for

> me

> >to try to do an abbreviated run now? I just ran about 2/3 of my normal

> >distance and feel " no worse for wear " from it. I felt like poop before I

> >went, but I decided that if my legs could move me into the kitchen for

> food,

> >then they could propel me around the track.

> >

> >However, I don't want to do anything that would put me in danger.

> >

> >Thanks in advance.

> >

> >Debbi

> >dx pap thyca 5/01

> >TT 7/01

> >2cm tumor/no spread to nodes

> >RAI sch 8/01

>

> For more information regarding thyroid cancer visit www.thyca.org. If you

> do not wish to belong to this group, you may UNSUBSCRIBE by sending a blank

> email to thyca-unsubscribe

>

August 9, 2001

Nick,

I certainly appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post. Your

message came across loud and clear. When you refer to " the edge " , in medical

terms, to what are you referring? Heart attack? Or do I just fall down and

go boom?

While I don't for one second refute what you wrote, I feel compelled to add

that my symptoms significantly disappeared after my short run last night (and

in 90 degree heat, too), and I feel better today (so far), too. Any feedback

on that?

Thanks,

Debbi

In a message dated 8/9/01 9:29:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

nmr1231@... writes:

> Subj: Jogging While Hypo Debbie & All

> Date: 8/9/01 9:29:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time

> From: nmr1231@... (Nick Rusko)

> Reply-to: <A HREF= " mailto:Thyca " >Thyca </A>

> To: Thyca

>

> Hi Debbie,

>

> I ain't pickin' on ya ; " and thyca members alike: " <-- you wrote:

> :-)

>

> " no worse for wear " <-- by _your_

> measure.

>

> Perspective, relationship & balance:

>

> Lead when used as ballast in the keel of a sailing vessel is an example

> of a good-use relationship & balance.

>

> The lever-arm exerted by the wind against the sail and mast creates a

> tremendous force of pressure that tries to tip the vessel over. Lead is the

> medium by which to counter the force of the wind. Here is a " relationship "

> of force verses counter balance. This is a good use of lead.

>

> Running & biking are a good relationship, like lead, to the " balance " of

> the health of the body.. when the body is in a/the healthy state.

>

> When one becomes hypo for testing.. the body gradually becomes

> un-healthy (stress) by reason of disfunction due to withdrawal of t4

> hormone. This effect is not slight but of great force as is the wind

> against the sail. And YOU HAVE NO COUNTER-BALANCE! so over time.. the

> stress of the force will try to " tip " the body over. The " view " of this is

> measured in how we _feel_ while being hypo. The stress cannot be measured

> directly but only through measure of the amount and degree that we

> experience discomfort or diminished capacity.

> We cannot " see " just what is happening at the molecular level within our

> bodies. But the forces being applied will eventually " tip-the-body-over " .

> (greatly out-of-balance)

>

> It is true that those of vigorous physical exercise habit fare better

> after accidents, operations and stress in general. And we have seen here on

> this List that many who are in excellent health, otherwise.. do better with

> hypo than do the rest.

>

> Ummm.. however.. the stresses induced are the same whether being

> physically fit or not, for everyone that goes hypo. It is only that some

> bodies handle the stresses differently, this being due to individual

> make-up and capacities.

>

> Since you bike.. a clear example of just what the stress is, can be

> understood by your taking a 10 speed bike and starting from a dead stop in

> 10th gear instead of 1st.

>

> As you know.. this is _very_ difficult to do and EXTREMELY stressful to

> accomplish.

>

> If you are in excellent physical condition.. then _your_ body will be

> able to deal with the 10th gear stress much more effectively than for

> someone who does not train.

>

> Remember, though.. the stress of being hypo will continue for up to

> several months duration. Not just minutes or hours.

>

> And lastly, in addition to starting out in 10th gear... you are also on a

> 9 degree upgrade-hill. This 10 degree-hill being the aspect of diminishing

> food process(ing) and elimination of capability. So exercising, while hypo,

> is like handing lead to a person that is drowning.

>

> You can do it .. but it ain't healthy :-)

>

> Those that exercise , too late, before, during and too soon after may

> be proud of their bodies and pleased with themselves but may never know

> just how close to the " edge " they were.

>

> I for one.. don't even _want_ to " test " just where the " edge " might be.

> Because the price for that knowledge might just be(come) too costly.

>

> If you had a broken leg.. would you be running/biking? Being Hypo is a

> " breaking " or an upsetting of the function of the body as a whole not

> " just " the leg.

>

> There is a time & place for all activity(ies) and Perspective,

> relationship & balance are the key, as to the " when "

>

> Being HyPo places one in a circumstance similar to the following

> scenerio:

>

> ( Picture 2 goldfish standing _outside_ their bowl and observing a fire

> that is burning inside. One turns to the other and says; " and now we're

> REALLY screwed! " )

>

> " dammed if you do and dammed if you don't " (HyPo)

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Nick

>

> At 8/8/01 08:12 PM, you wrote:

> >To the doctors and thyca members alike:

> >

> >I am Day #3 off Cytomel. My TT was about 4 weeks ago. I have definitely

> >begun to feel the symptons of becoming hypothyroid for the past two weeks

> >now-each day getting tougher.

> >

> >I have been running and biking for years regularly. Is it dangerous for

> me

> >to try to do an abbreviated run now? I just ran about 2/3 of my normal

> >distance and feel " no worse for wear " from it. I felt like poop before I

> >went, but I decided that if my legs could move me into the kitchen for

> food,

> >then they could propel me around the track.

> >

> >However, I don't want to do anything that would put me in danger.

> >

> >Thanks in advance.

> >

> >Debbi

> >dx pap thyca 5/01

> >TT 7/01

> >2cm tumor/no spread to nodes

> >RAI sch 8/01

>

> For more information regarding thyroid cancer visit www.thyca.org. If you

> do not wish to belong to this group, you may UNSUBSCRIBE by sending a blank

> email to thyca-unsubscribe

>

August 9, 2001

Hi Patty,

Thanks for responding. I have read on some of the thyca sites that walking a

little during hypo-times is good. I don't understand why then a slow jog

(believe me I was a slug on the track yesterday comparitively speaking and

didn't dare try to pick up the pace) from someone in good shape wouldn't be

equivalent to walking from people in average shape.

My biggest concern is what clinical medical risk am I taking? By the way, I

have retired my bike since noticing that my coordination has diminished.

Thanks,

Debbi

In a message dated 8/9/01 10:37:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Beaux12@...

writes:

> Subj: Re: Jogging While Hypo Debbie & All

> Date: 8/9/01 10:37:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time

> From: Beaux12@...

> Reply-to: <A HREF= " mailto:Thyca " >Thyca </A>

> To: Thyca

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm a jogger and exercize instructor. I am also one that goes hypo real

> fast, the TSH soars!!! My doctor made me go 6 weeks anyway without

> meds.I've

> gone hypo twice, and when my TSH hits about 50 I don't have the energy to

> do

> near the workout I normally do.I was really pushing myself through workout.

> I

> finally accepted that it is OK not to put my body in that kind of stress. I

> try to walk some and do what I can if I feel like it. After I get back on

> levoxyl, I gradually get back to my old workout. It really bugged me to not

> be able to run etc., but the most important thing is to take care of

> yourself

> while your body is already stressed from being hypo.

>

> Patty lin

>

> For more information regarding thyroid cancer visit www.thyca.org. If you

> do not wish to belong to this group, you may UNSUBSCRIBE by sending a blank

> email to thyca-unsubscribe

>

August 9, 2001

Hi Patty,

Thanks for responding. I have read on some of the thyca sites that walking a

little during hypo-times is good. I don't understand why then a slow jog

(believe me I was a slug on the track yesterday comparitively speaking and

didn't dare try to pick up the pace) from someone in good shape wouldn't be

equivalent to walking from people in average shape.

My biggest concern is what clinical medical risk am I taking? By the way, I

have retired my bike since noticing that my coordination has diminished.

Thanks,

Debbi

In a message dated 8/9/01 10:37:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Beaux12@...

writes:

> Subj: Re: Jogging While Hypo Debbie & All

> Date: 8/9/01 10:37:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time

> From: Beaux12@...

> Reply-to: <A HREF= " mailto:Thyca " >Thyca </A>

> To: Thyca

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm a jogger and exercize instructor. I am also one that goes hypo real

> fast, the TSH soars!!! My doctor made me go 6 weeks anyway without

> meds.I've

> gone hypo twice, and when my TSH hits about 50 I don't have the energy to

> do

> near the workout I normally do.I was really pushing myself through workout.

> I

> finally accepted that it is OK not to put my body in that kind of stress. I

> try to walk some and do what I can if I feel like it. After I get back on

> levoxyl, I gradually get back to my old workout. It really bugged me to not

> be able to run etc., but the most important thing is to take care of

> yourself

> while your body is already stressed from being hypo.

>

> Patty lin

>

> For more information regarding thyroid cancer visit www.thyca.org. If you

> do not wish to belong to this group, you may UNSUBSCRIBE by sending a blank

> email to thyca-unsubscribe

>

August 9, 2001

For one thing, my pulse gets really low when I get hypo. Youe pulse is

probably low too since your in good shape. When I'm not hypo, my pulse runs

somewhere between 48-58 usually. Right before I scan my pulse will drop to 45

and stay low. I feel weak, and get tired just walking around the yard. Your

entire body functions slow down. I had to let myself " Go with the flow. "

Thyca itself has put alot of stress on our bodies. I'm 40 and I am use to

running 3 miles and then doing weights, but I certainly didn't have the

energy to even run 1 miles towards the end. Don't over-stress yourself. Relax

and do what you can when you feel like it. That track will still be there

when your ready!

Patty lin

August 9, 2001