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In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ccb711@... writes:

> When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have IV

> magnesium cause it was a tad too low.

When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of magnesium are

really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements may not

be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body stores are

very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for intracellular levels

of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how low your

levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to determine

why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be indicated as

part of building them back up.

Victor

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In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ccb711@... writes:

> When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have IV

> magnesium cause it was a tad too low.

When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of magnesium are

really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements may not

be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body stores are

very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for intracellular levels

of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how low your

levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to determine

why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be indicated as

part of building them back up.

Victor

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In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ccb711@... writes:

> When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have IV

> magnesium cause it was a tad too low.

When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of magnesium are

really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements may not

be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body stores are

very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for intracellular levels

of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how low your

levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to determine

why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be indicated as

part of building them back up.

Victor

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Thanks, Victor.

Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re

the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the magnesium

test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri.

Cheryl

> In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> ccb711@h... writes:

>

> > When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have

IV

> > magnesium cause it was a tad too low.

>

> When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of

magnesium are

> really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements

may not

> be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body

stores are

> very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for

intracellular levels

> of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how

low your

> levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to

determine

> why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be

indicated as

> part of building them back up.

> Victor

>

>

>

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> Thanks, Victor.

> Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re

> the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the magnesium

> test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri.

> Cheryl

The Mg test you want is an intracellular test. The serum test is not

accurate.

Supposedly the avarage western diet is very low in Magnesium. I can't

remember what the numbers are but a huge percent of Americans have

hypomagnesia. This is due to a diet high in processed food. Also MSG's

affect the levels of intracellular Mg.

It can be difficult to get intracellular magnesium up. Han's BB has a recipe

from Erling one of the AF cured posters for making a magnesium bicarbonate

water that help with intracellular Mg. It also helps alkalyse the body. The

people taking it are having a lot less AF. You might want to check in.

Fran

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In a message dated 12/3/02 2:10:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Frances@... writes:

> Thanks, Victor.

> >Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re

> >the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the magnesium

> >test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri.

> >Cheryl

>

> The Mg test you want is an intracellular test. The serum test is not

> accurate.

>

> Supposedly the avarage western diet is very low in Magnesium. I can't

> remember what the numbers are but a huge percent of Americans have

> hypomagnesia. This is due to a diet high in processed food. Also MSG's

> affect the levels of intracellular Mg.

>

> It can be difficult to get intracellular magnesium up. Han's BB has a

> recipe

> from Erling one of the AF cured posters for making a magnesium bicarbonate

> water that help with intracellular Mg. It also helps alkalyse the body. The

> people taking it are having a lot less AF. You might want to check in.

>

> Fran

>

Besides what Fran mentions, I think one of the causes of low magnesium for me

was mercury poisoning. Apparently one of the things mercury does (besides

messing with your neural system) is interfere with magnesium absorption. I

think there are also differences in the way people metabolize magnesium.

Plus heavy exercise tends to drain magnesium from your system (to me this may

be part of the reason that marathon runners tend to develop AF), as does

coffee. So there can be lots of reasons depending on your individual

situation.

Victor

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Frances, thank you for the response.

What is Han's BB and how do I access it?

Cheryl

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>

>

> > Thanks, Victor.

> > Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re

> > the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the

magnesium

> > test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri.

> > Cheryl

>

> The Mg test you want is an intracellular test. The serum test is not

> accurate.

>

> Supposedly the avarage western diet is very low in Magnesium. I

can't

> remember what the numbers are but a huge percent of Americans have

> hypomagnesia. This is due to a diet high in processed food. Also

MSG's

> affect the levels of intracellular Mg.

>

> It can be difficult to get intracellular magnesium up. Han's BB has

a recipe

> from Erling one of the AF cured posters for making a magnesium

bicarbonate

> water that help with intracellular Mg. It also helps alkalyse the

body. The

> people taking it are having a lot less AF. You might want to check

in.

>

> Fran

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Frances, thank you for the response.

What is Han's BB and how do I access it?

Cheryl

>

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>

>

> > Thanks, Victor.

> > Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re

> > the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the

magnesium

> > test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri.

> > Cheryl

>

> The Mg test you want is an intracellular test. The serum test is not

> accurate.

>

> Supposedly the avarage western diet is very low in Magnesium. I

can't

> remember what the numbers are but a huge percent of Americans have

> hypomagnesia. This is due to a diet high in processed food. Also

MSG's

> affect the levels of intracellular Mg.

>

> It can be difficult to get intracellular magnesium up. Han's BB has

a recipe

> from Erling one of the AF cured posters for making a magnesium

bicarbonate

> water that help with intracellular Mg. It also helps alkalyse the

body. The

> people taking it are having a lot less AF. You might want to check

in.

>

> Fran

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> Besides what Fran mentions, I think one of the causes of low magnesium for

me

> was mercury poisoning. Apparently one of the things mercury does (besides

> messing with your neural system) is interfere with magnesium absorption.

I

> think there are also differences in the way people metabolize magnesium.

> Plus heavy exercise tends to drain magnesium from your system (to me this

may

> be part of the reason that marathon runners tend to develop AF), as does

> coffee. So there can be lots of reasons depending on your individual

> situation.

> Victor

I also discovered yesterday that high levels of gluamate open up ion

channels causing high intracellular levels of calcium and sodium, which

displaces magnesium and potassium. High glutamate levels are now recognised

in many disease states including diabetes, stroke, epilepsy and asthma. This

may be in part due to escalating MSG type additives in modern diets. To

avoid this I now avoid free glutamate caused through cooking.

Fran

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> > Besides what Fran mentions, I think one of the causes of low

magnesium for

> me

> > was snip...................................

Fran: Thanks so much for posting on magnesium....You clarified the

matter...especially mentioning that we shouldn't check the serum

magnesium because it is not as accurate as the intercellular mg.

It is so good to have you on this board, even though I can't

respond to everyone of your posts ...I am always impressed with the

kind of stuff you think of doing research on and that I didn't even

consider important. Research on, it really lifts my spirits when I

learn something. Regards, Isabelle

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> > Besides what Fran mentions, I think one of the causes of low

magnesium for

> me

> > was snip...................................

Fran: Thanks so much for posting on magnesium....You clarified the

matter...especially mentioning that we shouldn't check the serum

magnesium because it is not as accurate as the intercellular mg.

It is so good to have you on this board, even though I can't

respond to everyone of your posts ...I am always impressed with the

kind of stuff you think of doing research on and that I didn't even

consider important. Research on, it really lifts my spirits when I

learn something. Regards, Isabelle

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Thanks, Fran, I'll check that site out since I'm a lone a-fibber. I

am learning so much from you longterm a-fibbers!!

Another question. In your research on low magnesium, did you see

anything that might indicate magnesium levels are controlled by the

adrenal gland? I have an adenoma on adrenal and Dr is running tests

to see if it is causing any problems, like the a-fib, to see if it

needs to be removed. So, was wondering if it controls magnesium

levels. Didn't see anything like that in my research on adrenal

gland, but worth asking.

Thanks again. Cheryl

>

> > Frances, thank you for the response.

> > What is Han's BB and how do I access it?

> > Cheryl

>

> Hi Cheryl.

>

> It is another website about AF. This ine is for lone Afibbers, that

is

> people with Af and no underlying heart problems.

> http://www.afibbers.org/

>

> Fran

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Thanks, Fran, I'll check that site out since I'm a lone a-fibber. I

am learning so much from you longterm a-fibbers!!

Another question. In your research on low magnesium, did you see

anything that might indicate magnesium levels are controlled by the

adrenal gland? I have an adenoma on adrenal and Dr is running tests

to see if it is causing any problems, like the a-fib, to see if it

needs to be removed. So, was wondering if it controls magnesium

levels. Didn't see anything like that in my research on adrenal

gland, but worth asking.

Thanks again. Cheryl

>

> > Frances, thank you for the response.

> > What is Han's BB and how do I access it?

> > Cheryl

>

> Hi Cheryl.

>

> It is another website about AF. This ine is for lone Afibbers, that

is

> people with Af and no underlying heart problems.

> http://www.afibbers.org/

>

> Fran

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Thanks, Fran, I'll check that site out since I'm a lone a-fibber. I

am learning so much from you longterm a-fibbers!!

Another question. In your research on low magnesium, did you see

anything that might indicate magnesium levels are controlled by the

adrenal gland? I have an adenoma on adrenal and Dr is running tests

to see if it is causing any problems, like the a-fib, to see if it

needs to be removed. So, was wondering if it controls magnesium

levels. Didn't see anything like that in my research on adrenal

gland, but worth asking.

Thanks again. Cheryl

>

> > Frances, thank you for the response.

> > What is Han's BB and how do I access it?

> > Cheryl

>

> Hi Cheryl.

>

> It is another website about AF. This ine is for lone Afibbers, that

is

> people with Af and no underlying heart problems.

> http://www.afibbers.org/

>

> Fran

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I got to thinking that if the authorities were on the right track with their

research on AF then more headway would have been made in treatment. But that

was not the case. We were all going round and round in circles. So I took a

step sideways and worked from there. What I did took 100% commitment but it

stopped my AF and now I want others to be able to have the same chance if

their aF is the same as mine WAS.

Fran

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> Fran: Thanks so much for posting on magnesium....You clarified the

> matter...especially mentioning that we shouldn't check the serum

> magnesium because it is not as accurate as the intercellular mg.

>

> It is so good to have you on this board, even though I can't

> respond to everyone of your posts ...I am always impressed with the

> kind of stuff you think of doing research on and that I didn't even

> consider important. Research on, it really lifts my spirits when I

> learn something. Regards, Isabelle

>

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> Another question. In your research on low magnesium, did you see

> anything that might indicate magnesium levels are controlled by the

> adrenal gland? I have an adenoma on adrenal and Dr is running tests

> to see if it is causing any problems, like the a-fib, to see if it

> needs to be removed. So, was wondering if it controls magnesium

> levels. Didn't see anything like that in my research on adrenal

> gland, but worth asking.

>

Stress of any sort sets off adrenaline which in return depletes Magnesium. I

haven't got a reference for you but if you do a google search of say

adrenaline and magnesium it will lead you in the right direction.

Also in repsonse to your question about antibiotics. Something happened to

me in the years I was on meds and I can no longer tolerate antibiotics. They

set my heart off and I end up with constant vertigo. Usually worse than the

infection they are treating.

Hope you get it sorted out

Fran

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In a message dated 12/5/02 9:06:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

schw9883@... writes:

> Is the test really called red blood cell test? This sounds more like a red

> blood cell count which has nothing to do with mag.

>

If you want all the details, in the report I got from the lab they call it a

" packed blood cell elements report " : " This analysis of elements in packed

blood cells was performed by ICP-Mass Spectroscopy following acid digestion

of the specimen in a closed microwave system. For a given elements, these

procedures measure the sum of the amounts of surface-adhering and

intracellular content... The packed cells are not washed, and therefore, a

very small amount of residual plasma remains as part of the specimen....the

reference range may vary from published ranges for intracellular content of

washed erythrocytes... "

Separately, Hans Larsens' website can be found at <A

HREF= " www.afibbers.org " >www.afibbers.org</A>

Victor

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In a message dated 12/5/02 9:06:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

schw9883@... writes:

> Is the test really called red blood cell test? This sounds more like a red

> blood cell count which has nothing to do with mag.

>

If you want all the details, in the report I got from the lab they call it a

" packed blood cell elements report " : " This analysis of elements in packed

blood cells was performed by ICP-Mass Spectroscopy following acid digestion

of the specimen in a closed microwave system. For a given elements, these

procedures measure the sum of the amounts of surface-adhering and

intracellular content... The packed cells are not washed, and therefore, a

very small amount of residual plasma remains as part of the specimen....the

reference range may vary from published ranges for intracellular content of

washed erythrocytes... "

Separately, Hans Larsens' website can be found at <A

HREF= " www.afibbers.org " >www.afibbers.org</A>

Victor

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How do you access Han's bulletin board?

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In a message dated 12/3/02 2:10:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Frances@... writes:

> Thanks, Victor.

> >Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re

> >the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the magnesium

> >test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri.

> >Cheryl

>

> The Mg test you want is an intracellular test. The serum test is not

> accurate.

>

> Supposedly the avarage western diet is very low in Magnesium. I can't

> remember what the numbers are but a huge percent of Americans have

> hypomagnesia. This is due to a diet high in processed food. Also MSG's

> affect the levels of intracellular Mg.

>

> It can be difficult to get intracellular magnesium up. Han's BB has a

> recipe

> from Erling one of the AF cured posters for making a magnesium bicarbonate

> water that help with intracellular Mg. It also helps alkalyse the body. The

> people taking it are having a lot less AF. You might want to check in.

>

> Fran

>

Besides what Fran mentions, I think one of the causes of low magnesium for me

was mercury poisoning. Apparently one of the things mercury does (besides

messing with your neural system) is interfere with magnesium absorption. I

think there are also differences in the way people metabolize magnesium.

Plus heavy exercise tends to drain magnesium from your system (to me this may

be part of the reason that marathon runners tend to develop AF), as does

coffee. So there can be lots of reasons depending on your individual

situation.

Victor

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Is the test really called red blood cell test? This sounds more like a red

blood cell count which has nothing to do with mag.

Re: Vitamins and Minerals

In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ccb711@... writes:

> When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have IV

> magnesium cause it was a tad too low.

When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of magnesium are

really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements may not

be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body stores are

very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for intracellular levels

of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how low your

levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to determine

why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be indicated as

part of building them back up.

Victor

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Is the test really called red blood cell test? This sounds more like a red

blood cell count which has nothing to do with mag.

Re: Vitamins and Minerals

In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ccb711@... writes:

> When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have IV

> magnesium cause it was a tad too low.

When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of magnesium are

really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements may not

be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body stores are

very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for intracellular levels

of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how low your

levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to determine

why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be indicated as

part of building them back up.

Victor

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<<If you want all the details, in the report I got from the lab they call it

a

" packed blood cell elements report " : " This analysis of elements in packed

blood cells was performed by ICP-Mass Spectroscopy following acid digestion

of the specimen in a closed microwave system. For a given elements, these

procedures measure the sum of the amounts of surface-adhering and

intracellular content... The packed cells are not washed, and therefore, a

very small amount of residual plasma remains as part of the specimen....the

reference range may vary from published ranges for intracellular content of

washed erythrocytes... " >>

and for anyone in the uk who finds it hard to get an intracellular test done

through their regular GP they can take a look here (I've not tried this yet

but I think I'll give it a go)

http://drmyhill.co.uk/

Mg details here...

http://drmyhill.co.uk/test.cfm?id=45

--

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<<If you want all the details, in the report I got from the lab they call it

a

" packed blood cell elements report " : " This analysis of elements in packed

blood cells was performed by ICP-Mass Spectroscopy following acid digestion

of the specimen in a closed microwave system. For a given elements, these

procedures measure the sum of the amounts of surface-adhering and

intracellular content... The packed cells are not washed, and therefore, a

very small amount of residual plasma remains as part of the specimen....the

reference range may vary from published ranges for intracellular content of

washed erythrocytes... " >>

and for anyone in the uk who finds it hard to get an intracellular test done

through their regular GP they can take a look here (I've not tried this yet

but I think I'll give it a go)

http://drmyhill.co.uk/

Mg details here...

http://drmyhill.co.uk/test.cfm?id=45

--

D

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