Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, ccb711@... writes: > When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have IV > magnesium cause it was a tad too low. When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of magnesium are really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements may not be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body stores are very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for intracellular levels of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how low your levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to determine why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be indicated as part of building them back up. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, ccb711@... writes: > When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have IV > magnesium cause it was a tad too low. When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of magnesium are really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements may not be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body stores are very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for intracellular levels of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how low your levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to determine why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be indicated as part of building them back up. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, ccb711@... writes: > When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have IV > magnesium cause it was a tad too low. When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of magnesium are really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements may not be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body stores are very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for intracellular levels of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how low your levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to determine why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be indicated as part of building them back up. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Thanks, Victor. Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the magnesium test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri. Cheryl > In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ccb711@h... writes: > > > When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have IV > > magnesium cause it was a tad too low. > > When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of magnesium are > really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements may not > be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body stores are > very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for intracellular levels > of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how low your > levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to determine > why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be indicated as > part of building them back up. > Victor > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Re: Vitamins and Minerals > Thanks, Victor. > Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re > the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the magnesium > test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri. > Cheryl The Mg test you want is an intracellular test. The serum test is not accurate. Supposedly the avarage western diet is very low in Magnesium. I can't remember what the numbers are but a huge percent of Americans have hypomagnesia. This is due to a diet high in processed food. Also MSG's affect the levels of intracellular Mg. It can be difficult to get intracellular magnesium up. Han's BB has a recipe from Erling one of the AF cured posters for making a magnesium bicarbonate water that help with intracellular Mg. It also helps alkalyse the body. The people taking it are having a lot less AF. You might want to check in. Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 In a message dated 12/3/02 2:10:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, Frances@... writes: > Thanks, Victor. > >Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re > >the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the magnesium > >test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri. > >Cheryl > > The Mg test you want is an intracellular test. The serum test is not > accurate. > > Supposedly the avarage western diet is very low in Magnesium. I can't > remember what the numbers are but a huge percent of Americans have > hypomagnesia. This is due to a diet high in processed food. Also MSG's > affect the levels of intracellular Mg. > > It can be difficult to get intracellular magnesium up. Han's BB has a > recipe > from Erling one of the AF cured posters for making a magnesium bicarbonate > water that help with intracellular Mg. It also helps alkalyse the body. The > people taking it are having a lot less AF. You might want to check in. > > Fran > Besides what Fran mentions, I think one of the causes of low magnesium for me was mercury poisoning. Apparently one of the things mercury does (besides messing with your neural system) is interfere with magnesium absorption. I think there are also differences in the way people metabolize magnesium. Plus heavy exercise tends to drain magnesium from your system (to me this may be part of the reason that marathon runners tend to develop AF), as does coffee. So there can be lots of reasons depending on your individual situation. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Frances, thank you for the response. What is Han's BB and how do I access it? Cheryl > > Re: Vitamins and Minerals > > > > Thanks, Victor. > > Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re > > the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the magnesium > > test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri. > > Cheryl > > The Mg test you want is an intracellular test. The serum test is not > accurate. > > Supposedly the avarage western diet is very low in Magnesium. I can't > remember what the numbers are but a huge percent of Americans have > hypomagnesia. This is due to a diet high in processed food. Also MSG's > affect the levels of intracellular Mg. > > It can be difficult to get intracellular magnesium up. Han's BB has a recipe > from Erling one of the AF cured posters for making a magnesium bicarbonate > water that help with intracellular Mg. It also helps alkalyse the body. The > people taking it are having a lot less AF. You might want to check in. > > Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Frances, thank you for the response. What is Han's BB and how do I access it? Cheryl > > Re: Vitamins and Minerals > > > > Thanks, Victor. > > Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re > > the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the magnesium > > test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri. > > Cheryl > > The Mg test you want is an intracellular test. The serum test is not > accurate. > > Supposedly the avarage western diet is very low in Magnesium. I can't > remember what the numbers are but a huge percent of Americans have > hypomagnesia. This is due to a diet high in processed food. Also MSG's > affect the levels of intracellular Mg. > > It can be difficult to get intracellular magnesium up. Han's BB has a recipe > from Erling one of the AF cured posters for making a magnesium bicarbonate > water that help with intracellular Mg. It also helps alkalyse the body. The > people taking it are having a lot less AF. You might want to check in. > > Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 > Besides what Fran mentions, I think one of the causes of low magnesium for me > was mercury poisoning. Apparently one of the things mercury does (besides > messing with your neural system) is interfere with magnesium absorption. I > think there are also differences in the way people metabolize magnesium. > Plus heavy exercise tends to drain magnesium from your system (to me this may > be part of the reason that marathon runners tend to develop AF), as does > coffee. So there can be lots of reasons depending on your individual > situation. > Victor I also discovered yesterday that high levels of gluamate open up ion channels causing high intracellular levels of calcium and sodium, which displaces magnesium and potassium. High glutamate levels are now recognised in many disease states including diabetes, stroke, epilepsy and asthma. This may be in part due to escalating MSG type additives in modern diets. To avoid this I now avoid free glutamate caused through cooking. Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 > > Besides what Fran mentions, I think one of the causes of low magnesium for > me > > was snip................................... Fran: Thanks so much for posting on magnesium....You clarified the matter...especially mentioning that we shouldn't check the serum magnesium because it is not as accurate as the intercellular mg. It is so good to have you on this board, even though I can't respond to everyone of your posts ...I am always impressed with the kind of stuff you think of doing research on and that I didn't even consider important. Research on, it really lifts my spirits when I learn something. Regards, Isabelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 > > Besides what Fran mentions, I think one of the causes of low magnesium for > me > > was snip................................... Fran: Thanks so much for posting on magnesium....You clarified the matter...especially mentioning that we shouldn't check the serum magnesium because it is not as accurate as the intercellular mg. It is so good to have you on this board, even though I can't respond to everyone of your posts ...I am always impressed with the kind of stuff you think of doing research on and that I didn't even consider important. Research on, it really lifts my spirits when I learn something. Regards, Isabelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 Thanks, Fran, I'll check that site out since I'm a lone a-fibber. I am learning so much from you longterm a-fibbers!! Another question. In your research on low magnesium, did you see anything that might indicate magnesium levels are controlled by the adrenal gland? I have an adenoma on adrenal and Dr is running tests to see if it is causing any problems, like the a-fib, to see if it needs to be removed. So, was wondering if it controls magnesium levels. Didn't see anything like that in my research on adrenal gland, but worth asking. Thanks again. Cheryl > > > Frances, thank you for the response. > > What is Han's BB and how do I access it? > > Cheryl > > Hi Cheryl. > > It is another website about AF. This ine is for lone Afibbers, that is > people with Af and no underlying heart problems. > http://www.afibbers.org/ > > Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 Thanks, Fran, I'll check that site out since I'm a lone a-fibber. I am learning so much from you longterm a-fibbers!! Another question. In your research on low magnesium, did you see anything that might indicate magnesium levels are controlled by the adrenal gland? I have an adenoma on adrenal and Dr is running tests to see if it is causing any problems, like the a-fib, to see if it needs to be removed. So, was wondering if it controls magnesium levels. Didn't see anything like that in my research on adrenal gland, but worth asking. Thanks again. Cheryl > > > Frances, thank you for the response. > > What is Han's BB and how do I access it? > > Cheryl > > Hi Cheryl. > > It is another website about AF. This ine is for lone Afibbers, that is > people with Af and no underlying heart problems. > http://www.afibbers.org/ > > Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 Thanks, Fran, I'll check that site out since I'm a lone a-fibber. I am learning so much from you longterm a-fibbers!! Another question. In your research on low magnesium, did you see anything that might indicate magnesium levels are controlled by the adrenal gland? I have an adenoma on adrenal and Dr is running tests to see if it is causing any problems, like the a-fib, to see if it needs to be removed. So, was wondering if it controls magnesium levels. Didn't see anything like that in my research on adrenal gland, but worth asking. Thanks again. Cheryl > > > Frances, thank you for the response. > > What is Han's BB and how do I access it? > > Cheryl > > Hi Cheryl. > > It is another website about AF. This ine is for lone Afibbers, that is > people with Af and no underlying heart problems. > http://www.afibbers.org/ > > Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 I got to thinking that if the authorities were on the right track with their research on AF then more headway would have been made in treatment. But that was not the case. We were all going round and round in circles. So I took a step sideways and worked from there. What I did took 100% commitment but it stopped my AF and now I want others to be able to have the same chance if their aF is the same as mine WAS. Fran Re: Vitamins and Minerals > Fran: Thanks so much for posting on magnesium....You clarified the > matter...especially mentioning that we shouldn't check the serum > magnesium because it is not as accurate as the intercellular mg. > > It is so good to have you on this board, even though I can't > respond to everyone of your posts ...I am always impressed with the > kind of stuff you think of doing research on and that I didn't even > consider important. Research on, it really lifts my spirits when I > learn something. Regards, Isabelle > > > Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport > FAQ - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.htm > For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af > Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 > Another question. In your research on low magnesium, did you see > anything that might indicate magnesium levels are controlled by the > adrenal gland? I have an adenoma on adrenal and Dr is running tests > to see if it is causing any problems, like the a-fib, to see if it > needs to be removed. So, was wondering if it controls magnesium > levels. Didn't see anything like that in my research on adrenal > gland, but worth asking. > Stress of any sort sets off adrenaline which in return depletes Magnesium. I haven't got a reference for you but if you do a google search of say adrenaline and magnesium it will lead you in the right direction. Also in repsonse to your question about antibiotics. Something happened to me in the years I was on meds and I can no longer tolerate antibiotics. They set my heart off and I end up with constant vertigo. Usually worse than the infection they are treating. Hope you get it sorted out Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 In a message dated 12/5/02 9:06:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, schw9883@... writes: > Is the test really called red blood cell test? This sounds more like a red > blood cell count which has nothing to do with mag. > If you want all the details, in the report I got from the lab they call it a " packed blood cell elements report " : " This analysis of elements in packed blood cells was performed by ICP-Mass Spectroscopy following acid digestion of the specimen in a closed microwave system. For a given elements, these procedures measure the sum of the amounts of surface-adhering and intracellular content... The packed cells are not washed, and therefore, a very small amount of residual plasma remains as part of the specimen....the reference range may vary from published ranges for intracellular content of washed erythrocytes... " Separately, Hans Larsens' website can be found at <A HREF= " www.afibbers.org " >www.afibbers.org</A> Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 In a message dated 12/5/02 9:06:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, schw9883@... writes: > Is the test really called red blood cell test? This sounds more like a red > blood cell count which has nothing to do with mag. > If you want all the details, in the report I got from the lab they call it a " packed blood cell elements report " : " This analysis of elements in packed blood cells was performed by ICP-Mass Spectroscopy following acid digestion of the specimen in a closed microwave system. For a given elements, these procedures measure the sum of the amounts of surface-adhering and intracellular content... The packed cells are not washed, and therefore, a very small amount of residual plasma remains as part of the specimen....the reference range may vary from published ranges for intracellular content of washed erythrocytes... " Separately, Hans Larsens' website can be found at <A HREF= " www.afibbers.org " >www.afibbers.org</A> Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 How do you access Han's bulletin board? Re: Re: Vitamins and Minerals In a message dated 12/3/02 2:10:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, Frances@... writes: > Thanks, Victor. > >Wonder what causes magnesium to be low? I know it was a concern re > >the a-fibs. I'll research this. Believe my Dr ordered the magnesium > >test last week, but will confirm with him on Fri. > >Cheryl > > The Mg test you want is an intracellular test. The serum test is not > accurate. > > Supposedly the avarage western diet is very low in Magnesium. I can't > remember what the numbers are but a huge percent of Americans have > hypomagnesia. This is due to a diet high in processed food. Also MSG's > affect the levels of intracellular Mg. > > It can be difficult to get intracellular magnesium up. Han's BB has a > recipe > from Erling one of the AF cured posters for making a magnesium bicarbonate > water that help with intracellular Mg. It also helps alkalyse the body. The > people taking it are having a lot less AF. You might want to check in. > > Fran > Besides what Fran mentions, I think one of the causes of low magnesium for me was mercury poisoning. Apparently one of the things mercury does (besides messing with your neural system) is interfere with magnesium absorption. I think there are also differences in the way people metabolize magnesium. Plus heavy exercise tends to drain magnesium from your system (to me this may be part of the reason that marathon runners tend to develop AF), as does coffee. So there can be lots of reasons depending on your individual situation. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 Is the test really called red blood cell test? This sounds more like a red blood cell count which has nothing to do with mag. Re: Vitamins and Minerals In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, ccb711@... writes: > When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have IV > magnesium cause it was a tad too low. When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of magnesium are really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements may not be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body stores are very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for intracellular levels of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how low your levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to determine why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be indicated as part of building them back up. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 Is the test really called red blood cell test? This sounds more like a red blood cell count which has nothing to do with mag. Re: Vitamins and Minerals In a message dated 12/2/02 6:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, ccb711@... writes: > When in the hospital for anti-arrhythmic med twice, I had to have IV > magnesium cause it was a tad too low. When serum magnesium is low, this means that body stores of magnesium are really low, because serum levels are regulated. Taking supplements may not be enough, since supplements may be difficult to absorb when body stores are very low. My recommendation would be to get a test for intracellular levels of magensium (otherwise known as red blood cell test), to see how low your levels really are. Your health care provider should also try to determine why your levels are low. IV administration of magnesium may be indicated as part of building them back up. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2002 Report Share Posted December 6, 2002 <<If you want all the details, in the report I got from the lab they call it a " packed blood cell elements report " : " This analysis of elements in packed blood cells was performed by ICP-Mass Spectroscopy following acid digestion of the specimen in a closed microwave system. For a given elements, these procedures measure the sum of the amounts of surface-adhering and intracellular content... The packed cells are not washed, and therefore, a very small amount of residual plasma remains as part of the specimen....the reference range may vary from published ranges for intracellular content of washed erythrocytes... " >> and for anyone in the uk who finds it hard to get an intracellular test done through their regular GP they can take a look here (I've not tried this yet but I think I'll give it a go) http://drmyhill.co.uk/ Mg details here... http://drmyhill.co.uk/test.cfm?id=45 -- D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2002 Report Share Posted December 6, 2002 <<If you want all the details, in the report I got from the lab they call it a " packed blood cell elements report " : " This analysis of elements in packed blood cells was performed by ICP-Mass Spectroscopy following acid digestion of the specimen in a closed microwave system. For a given elements, these procedures measure the sum of the amounts of surface-adhering and intracellular content... The packed cells are not washed, and therefore, a very small amount of residual plasma remains as part of the specimen....the reference range may vary from published ranges for intracellular content of washed erythrocytes... " >> and for anyone in the uk who finds it hard to get an intracellular test done through their regular GP they can take a look here (I've not tried this yet but I think I'll give it a go) http://drmyhill.co.uk/ Mg details here... http://drmyhill.co.uk/test.cfm?id=45 -- D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2002 Report Share Posted December 6, 2002 Re: Vitamins and Minerals > Mg details here... > http://drmyhill.co.uk/test.cfm?id=45 > Brilliant. Depending on whether the holistic Dr I will be seeing shortly can do this test or not, this site will become an invaluable asset. Thanks for posting it. Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2002 Report Share Posted December 6, 2002 Re: Vitamins and Minerals > Mg details here... > http://drmyhill.co.uk/test.cfm?id=45 > Brilliant. Depending on whether the holistic Dr I will be seeing shortly can do this test or not, this site will become an invaluable asset. Thanks for posting it. Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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