Re: Karyn seroussi

[Guest guest]

I too saw Karyn. Her delivery was very good. Very non confrontational.

It's a first step. Hopefully one day the TODAY show will do a " series " on

autism like they do with " colon rectan cancer, teenagers and sex, plastic

surgery etc. " It tugged at my heart as well.

Holly

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I did go to the Today Show with my husband and 3 year old son.

Brought a sign with us and everything, but we could not get close enough to

get on camera and I just ended up missing Karyn Serroussi's segment all

together.

Our first mistake was bring our son. I just thought he could hold

out, and even though it was warm out, he didn't want much to do with

two-seconds of fame, never mind 15 minutes, and he didn't agree to wearing a

sign around his neck either. Anyway, next mistake, we got there at 6:30

a.m. The show doesn't come on until 7:00. If you want to get close enough

to hang a banner, you've got to be there by 5:00 or 5:30 A.M. Silly me, we

thought there wouldn't be a problem.

We wanted to go and we wanted to see others affected by autism there

to show the world that it is an epidemic, but I think next time, it's got to

be a more organized effort.

By the time Karyn came on, my son was having a melt-down across the

street, just in case any of you saw that on camera. Sometimes they pull the

camera back and you see the intersection and the sidewalk area across the

street. We were over there trying to gain control again.

I did want to ask a question about Karyn's interview: My in-laws said

she said she's all for vaccinations. Did they hear that right? Did she talk

about that at all? Does she think her son was harmed by vaccines? I have

already read her book a while ago and I thought she was against vaccines.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I did go to the Today Show with my husband and 3 year old son.

Brought a sign with us and everything, but we could not get close enough to

get on camera and I just ended up missing Karyn Serroussi's segment all

together.

Our first mistake was bring our son. I just thought he could hold

out, and even though it was warm out, he didn't want much to do with

two-seconds of fame, never mind 15 minutes, and he didn't agree to wearing a

sign around his neck either. Anyway, next mistake, we got there at 6:30

a.m. The show doesn't come on until 7:00. If you want to get close enough

to hang a banner, you've got to be there by 5:00 or 5:30 A.M. Silly me, we

thought there wouldn't be a problem.

We wanted to go and we wanted to see others affected by autism there

to show the world that it is an epidemic, but I think next time, it's got to

be a more organized effort.

By the time Karyn came on, my son was having a melt-down across the

street, just in case any of you saw that on camera. Sometimes they pull the

camera back and you see the intersection and the sidewalk area across the

street. We were over there trying to gain control again.

I did want to ask a question about Karyn's interview: My in-laws said

she said she's all for vaccinations. Did they hear that right? Did she talk

about that at all? Does she think her son was harmed by vaccines? I have

already read her book a while ago and I thought she was against vaccines.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I did go to the Today Show with my husband and 3 year old son.

Brought a sign with us and everything, but we could not get close enough to

get on camera and I just ended up missing Karyn Serroussi's segment all

together.

Our first mistake was bring our son. I just thought he could hold

out, and even though it was warm out, he didn't want much to do with

two-seconds of fame, never mind 15 minutes, and he didn't agree to wearing a

sign around his neck either. Anyway, next mistake, we got there at 6:30

a.m. The show doesn't come on until 7:00. If you want to get close enough

to hang a banner, you've got to be there by 5:00 or 5:30 A.M. Silly me, we

thought there wouldn't be a problem.

We wanted to go and we wanted to see others affected by autism there

to show the world that it is an epidemic, but I think next time, it's got to

be a more organized effort.

By the time Karyn came on, my son was having a melt-down across the

street, just in case any of you saw that on camera. Sometimes they pull the

camera back and you see the intersection and the sidewalk area across the

street. We were over there trying to gain control again.

I did want to ask a question about Karyn's interview: My in-laws said

she said she's all for vaccinations. Did they hear that right? Did she talk

about that at all? Does she think her son was harmed by vaccines? I have

already read her book a while ago and I thought she was against vaccines.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I did go to the Today Show with my husband and 3 year old son.

Brought a sign with us and everything, but we could not get close enough to

get on camera and I just ended up missing Karyn Serroussi's segment all

together.

Our first mistake was bring our son. I just thought he could hold

out, and even though it was warm out, he didn't want much to do with

two-seconds of fame, never mind 15 minutes, and he didn't agree to wearing a

sign around his neck either. Anyway, next mistake, we got there at 6:30

a.m. The show doesn't come on until 7:00. If you want to get close enough

to hang a banner, you've got to be there by 5:00 or 5:30 A.M. Silly me, we

thought there wouldn't be a problem.

We wanted to go and we wanted to see others affected by autism there

to show the world that it is an epidemic, but I think next time, it's got to

be a more organized effort.

By the time Karyn came on, my son was having a melt-down across the

street, just in case any of you saw that on camera. Sometimes they pull the

camera back and you see the intersection and the sidewalk area across the

street. We were over there trying to gain control again.

I did want to ask a question about Karyn's interview: My in-laws said

she said she's all for vaccinations. Did they hear that right? Did she talk

about that at all? Does she think her son was harmed by vaccines? I have

already read her book a while ago and I thought she was against vaccines.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

she did say she is all for vaccines. But she questioned the quantity and

timing in you infants. She said nothing to the effect she thinks her childs

autism was caused by vaccines and never mentioned thimeresol.

Holly

[Guest guest]

I think Karyn did a great job today. In my mumble opinion when I start

talking about how my child's autism is caused by vaccinations the listener

stops listening to what I am saying and starts thinking that I am I don't

know what. We have been told by dr's and the government that vaccinations

are good for our children. No one wants to believe that they have put their

child's health in danger. I think Karyn was very wise in the manner in which

she spoke about the vaccinations. I believe vaccines played a part in my

child's delays, but as of right now we have no proof. We know our children

and we know that there is something to the

vaccination/mercury/lead/gut/enzyme/gfcf thing. But I feel Karyn described

the connections to diet and autism in a way that all listeners would

understand. Not to say that the general population could not understand

greater scientific detail becasue they could, but she only had a small period

of time to present her child's situation. We have to be assertive about

getting our information about our children out, about what helps our children

and what doesn't. The more people we have listening to us and understanding

and believing what we are saying the more money will be put into studies to

prove what we think is happening. I pray everyday that there will be one

more study's findings released so more people will believe us and leave to a

cure for the current suffers of autism and a stop to future cases.

Great job Karyn!

ston

[Guest guest]

Hi Dorothy, Karyn stated that she is Pro-Vaccination, but against too many

vaccines at one time. She doesnt feel that is safe.

Your parents heard right, she isnt again Vaccinating. If I remember

correctly, she did not mention if she feels her son was affected by Vaccines.

Hope I helped,

Vicki

[Guest guest]

Dorothy-Sorry you had such a horrible time. I had heard that you had to

be there by 5am, or else I would have brought the girls, but that is TOO

early for them. She dud mention she was pro vaccination, but not as much

and as early...she did a wonderful job in the amount of time given, she

was very eloquent...-Shari

From: dask4t@... [mailto:dask4t@...]

Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:57 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Karyn Seroussi

Hi Everyone,

I did go to the Today Show with my husband and 3 year old son.

Brought a sign with us and everything, but we could not get close enough

to

get on camera and I just ended up missing Karyn Serroussi's segment all

together.

Our first mistake was bring our son. I just thought he could

hold

out, and even though it was warm out, he didn't want much to do with

two-seconds of fame, never mind 15 minutes, and he didn't agree to

wearing a

sign around his neck either. Anyway, next mistake, we got there at

6:30

a.m. The show doesn't come on until 7:00. If you want to get close

enough

to hang a banner, you've got to be there by 5:00 or 5:30 A.M. Silly me,

we

thought there wouldn't be a problem.

We wanted to go and we wanted to see others affected by autism

there

to show the world that it is an epidemic, but I think next time, it's

got to

be a more organized effort.

By the time Karyn came on, my son was having a melt-down across

the

street, just in case any of you saw that on camera. Sometimes they pull

the

camera back and you see the intersection and the sidewalk area across

the

street. We were over there trying to gain control again.

I did want to ask a question about Karyn's interview: My in-laws

said

she said she's all for vaccinations. Did they hear that right? Did she

talk

about that at all? Does she think her son was harmed by vaccines? I

have

already read her book a while ago and I thought she was against

vaccines.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

I did not see the show yet (I am at work--I've got it taped

(hopefully!)), but I wanted to comment on the thread-- I think it is

wise that she did not get into the vaccination issue mainly because I

agree with -- people " turn off " when you start talking about

vaccinations. No one who has a vaccinated child wants to listen to

think that they may have harmed their child, and they shut down and

start thinking that we must be crazy. I think it was wise for her to

take the politically correct stance that vaccinations are ok, but the

timing and quantity really need to be addressed. People can " accept "

this more and it keeps them listening. Which is what we need right

now. We need as many people as possible to listen and learn.

I also think that is a great idea someone else had to ask the Today

show to do a series on Autism and related spectrum disorders.

W

> I think Karyn did a great job today. > Great job Karyn!

>

> ston

[Guest guest]

I also agree with Albert. We are all here because our children have had their

lives stolen from them by vacccines. For Karyn Seroussi, who is a very

intelligent and high profile spokesperson for autism, to deny the fact that

vaccines can cause autism in front of millions of people, many of whom are

really hearing about the " new " autism for the first time, is a sell-out.

Shame on you Karyn!

[Guest guest]

If you only have a limited amount of time on national tv, then it is important

to talk about the vaccination issue and to say how dangerous vaccines are to the

health of our children. It is important not to be a wishy_washy person but to

tell it like it is with forcefulness. This may be the only time in their whole

lives that some of these people hear the real truth about how dangerous the

vaccines really are. If a person has an opportunity to warn against the dangers

of vaccines and one child`s life is saved because he was not given a

vaccination, then that would have been worth it. I am sorry that people will

continue to vaccinate because they didn`t here the truth. People need to hear

the real truth to save their children, not just what others want them to hear.

Albert

d701@...

[ ] Re: Karyn Seroussi

I did not see the show yet (I am at work--I've got it taped

(hopefully!)), but I wanted to comment on the thread-- I think it is

wise that she did not get into the vaccination issue mainly because I

agree with -- people " turn off " when you start talking about

vaccinations. No one who has a vaccinated child wants to listen to

think that they may have harmed their child, and they shut down and

start thinking that we must be crazy. I think it was wise for her to

take the politically correct stance that vaccinations are ok, but the

timing and quantity really need to be addressed. People can " accept "

this more and it keeps them listening. Which is what we need right

now. We need as many people as possible to listen and learn.

I also think that is a great idea someone else had to ask the Today

show to do a series on Autism and related spectrum disorders.

W

> I think Karyn did a great job today. > Great job Karyn!

>

> ston

[Guest guest]

Albert is right on the money with this comment and I couldn't agree more!!

Enough with being " politically correct " - that's how all of our children got

into the mess they're in now, because too many people all along the way felt

they needed to be " nice " and not rock the boat!! NOW IS THE TIME TO SPEAK

THE TRUTH AND QUIT TAP-DANCING AROUND THE VACCINE ABUSE THAT HAS BEEN

FOISTED UPON OUR CHILDREN!!!!!! Enough is enough already!!!

( " Mom " to a phenomenal 6 year old, diagnosed as " autistic " at age 3, whose

vaccine abuse began at birth with the HepB shot)

[ ] Re: Karyn Seroussi

>

>

> I did not see the show yet (I am at work--I've got it taped

> (hopefully!)), but I wanted to comment on the thread-- I think it is

> wise that she did not get into the vaccination issue mainly because I

> agree with -- people " turn off " when you start talking about

> vaccinations. No one who has a vaccinated child wants to listen to

> think that they may have harmed their child, and they shut down and

> start thinking that we must be crazy. I think it was wise for her to

> take the politically correct stance that vaccinations are ok, but the

> timing and quantity really need to be addressed. People can " accept "

> this more and it keeps them listening. Which is what we need right

> now. We need as many people as possible to listen and learn.

>

> I also think that is a great idea someone else had to ask the Today

> show to do a series on Autism and related spectrum disorders.

>

> W

>

>

> > I think Karyn did a great job today. > Great job Karyn!

> >

> > ston

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just don't think that Karyn's purpose for going on the show was to

talk about vaccines. Even if she had come out strongly against them,

she would only be shot down because she is not an expert in the

field. I think her talking about the gluten/casein issue and the

related issues were things she was well versed in. Not knowing her,

I do not know if she has even spent much time delving into the

vaccine issue. I think it would have been foolish to open herself up

(for debate) in that respect. Like I said, I still have not viewed

my videotape, but I just think that probably her agenda was

different. I would LOVE to see the vaccine issue come up to national

recognition on a television show such as the Today show so that it

can reach many people.

W

> If you only have a limited amount of time on national tv, then it

is important to talk about the vaccination issue and to say how

dangerous vaccines are to the health of our children. Albert

> d701@m...

> [ ] Re: Karyn Seroussi

>

[Guest guest]

SOrry if my message offended anyone. Of course, I still think that

the vaccine issue is worthwhile; my own two kids had HepB at birth

and have what I believe to be vaccine related issues, but like I

said, I don't know Karyn, and so if she is not well versed in the

vaccine issue, I would not want to see her be the one to champion

it. It needs someone else, perhaps people like yourselves, who ARE

up on the research, so that it can be brought forth with some

validity to it. There's nothing worse than having someone

shout " fire " without being able to tell " where " the fire is. I think

the vaccine issue is an important enough issue that it needs to be

done justice, and I just think that wasn't necessarily her agenda

this morning. If we are so mad about vaccines, then let's each write

to the Today show and ask them to have a series on autism, during

which they could/should cover the vaccine issue.

W

-- In @y..., " Tim & Owczarzak " <owczarzak@c...>

wrote:

> Albert is right on the money with this comment and I couldn't agree

more!!

> Enough with being " politically correct " - that's how all of our

children got

> into the mess they're in now, because too many people all along the

way felt

> they needed to be " nice " and not rock the boat!!

[Guest guest]

Karyn knows very well about vaccines. She writes in her book that her

son regressed after MMR. She attends all the conferences of Autism

Research Institute and, I believe, very much " versed in vaccine

issue " .

Margaret

> > Albert is right on the money with this comment and I couldn't

agree

> more!!

> > Enough with being " politically correct " - that's how all of our

> children got

> > into the mess they're in now, because too many people all along

the

> way felt

> > they needed to be " nice " and not rock the boat!!

[Guest guest]

As far as the politics of vaccines, I don't think any nationally

televised show will let anyone get on and say that vaccines are

unsafe. People are freaked out that parents will stop vaccinating

their children. Part of it is big business but I also think that

many people feel that epidemics of measles, mumps, etc are

unexceptable in our nation. If you want anyone to hear you speak

don't start with the vaccines, they have gone as far as thermisol,

but don't touch their precious vaccines. At the very least you will

be edited. Maddie

> > I think Karyn did a great job today. > Great job Karyn!

> >

> > ston

[Guest guest]

Well I just finished watching the video of the interview and I did

not see what some of you are seeing... I heard the interviewer go

right into the vaccine issue herself, not karyn, which tells me that

they discussed it prior and that karyn may have wanted it as a

priority to come up during the interview...just my thought anyway. I

also saw that Karyn said she is Pro-Vaccine-Safety. Which is not the

same as saying she was pro-vaccine. Considering the length of her

interview, and that it ended within about a minute of beginning the

vaccine topic in the first place, I think she covered it. She voiced

the concern about the number and types of vaccines and that parents

want what is safe for their kids. No, she did not scream out to

nationwide TV to avoid vaccines altogether, but I think given that

she had about one minute to talk about it, I think she handled it

well. They covered that her son's regression was timed with him

receiving vaccines. I re-watched the video and again, came away with

the impression that she indeed did link her own son's problems to the

vaccines--the interviewer even said it as such, and acknowledged that

it was controversial. Karyn then nodded emphatically and elaborated

on it. I guess I did not see it as a failed opportunity to bring up

the vaccine issue, rather I think it carried some weight especially

given that the interviewer brought it up first. The interview DID

link autism to vaccines, and for people who are hearing it for the

first time, I think it did make that connection. I didn't see her

deny it, and I've got the tape to rewind it and listen to it again.

W

> For Karyn Seroussi, who is a very

> intelligent and high profile spokesperson for autism, to deny the

fact that

> vaccines can cause autism in front of millions of people, many of

whom are

> really hearing about the " new " autism for the first time, is a sell-

out.

> Shame on you Karyn!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/15/2002 8:36:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

maryandphilip@... writes:

> but like I

> said, I don't know Karyn, and so if she is not well versed in the

> vaccine issue, I would not want to see her be the one to champion

> it.

In the first few pages of her book it says that there is a strong link

to vaccinations and autism. She does know what's going on, but I guess she

felt it was neither the time nor the place. The question I have for her is

why use the term, " pro-vaccination, " in describing her thoughts on vaccines.

Once someone uses that term, it seems to me the rest is cancelled out, such

as, spreading vaccinations out.

[Guest guest]

> In the first few pages of her book it says that there is a

strong link

> to vaccinations and autism. She does know what's going on, but I

guess she

> felt it was neither the time nor the place. The question I have

for her is

> why use the term, " pro-vaccination, " in describing her thoughts on

vaccines.

> Once someone uses that term, it seems to me the rest is cancelled

out, such

> as, spreading vaccinations out.

Well said W! (post #44696) There is a big difference when you

put the word SAFETY behind the words pro vaccine. Karyn did say that

her son still has the under lying disorder that causes autism but his

symptoms have been controlled with the diet. The diet is

Karyn's " baby " . It's her thing that has worked SO WELL for her kid

and this is what she focuses on. But I am personally glad that she

calls autism an immune system disorder because many people still see

it as a psychiatric disorder. The whole segment was way too short and

there are so many issues with autism. I taped the show but only

watched Karyn's interview. I didn't hear anyone mention that it was

autism awareness month or did they say it and I missed it?

Cave's book is very good and I suggest that everyone read

it. As she states there are risks and benefits to vaccines. Maybe

Dr. Cave could go on national tv and tell the public what they need

to know. BJ

[Guest guest]

I didn't get the feeling from the interview that she was pro- vaccine-

- All I heard her say that she is not ANTI vaccine-- I am not

either. The problem is not with the vaccines alone-- many vaccines

are necessary. But the way we give them , so many at a time, and the

thimerasol are the triggers. She did mention that there are some

genetic predispositions in these kids and that the vaccines are

triggering their autism. That is true! In just a few minutes, she

couldn't have dove headfirst into the whole issue.. I am proud of her

and proud that autism awareness is out front!

Thanks Karyn!

maranie

> In a message dated 4/15/2002 8:36:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> maryandphilip@a... writes:

>

>

> > but like I

> > said, I don't know Karyn, and so if she is not well versed in the

> > vaccine issue, I would not want to see her be the one to champion

> > it.

>

> In the first few pages of her book it says that there is a

strong link

> to vaccinations and autism. She does know what's going on, but I

guess she

> felt it was neither the time nor the place. The question I have

for her is

> why use the term, " pro-vaccination, " in describing her thoughts on

vaccines.

> Once someone uses that term, it seems to me the rest is cancelled

out, such

> as, spreading vaccinations out.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<The question I have for her is

why use the term, " pro-vaccination, " in describing her thoughts on vaccines.

>

She did not use the term Pro-vaccinations.

If you go to the MSNBC website and watch the video clip again what she said

was " pro vaccine SAFETY "

They are 2 entirely different things :-)

Donna :-)

[Guest guest]

That's right, Donna. And I heard her say too that she wasn't

anti- vaccine. I am not either.. I think many of the vaccines are

very important- the problems comes with the thimerasol and the

number of shots the kids receive in a day.

I think She did a great job spreading awareness.. Rome wasn't built

in a day!

Thanks, Karyn!

-- In @y..., " & Donna Carver " <sdcarv@b...>

wrote:

> <The question I have for her is

> why use the term, " pro-vaccination, " in describing her thoughts on

vaccines.

> >

>

> She did not use the term Pro-vaccinations.

> If you go to the MSNBC website and watch the video clip again what

she said

> was " pro vaccine SAFETY "

> They are 2 entirely different things :-)

> Donna :-)