ADA in the news

May 19, 2000

Hi Crew!

Caren has some good points (as usual- you GO girl!!). I agree that a

hotel should not have to provide a TTY for every room (and they don't as

per the ADA just 10% of the # of voice phones in airports and malls- I

don't know what the figure is for hotels) but should have a limited # of

TTY's onhand for guests to use... I agree that the Braille in the drive

thru is stupid, and I don't think the ADA requires THAT!! Plus, the

world is changing and all growing pains are tough....

Yes providing access costs some extra dough, but compared to the costs

of a lawsuit (Like Clint Eastwood's) its nothing...

ciao- JJ )

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<< At the risk of ticking everybody off here, why is it

the hotel's responsibility to provide TTYs? They're

portable enough so that we can take our own if we need

them. Hotels should be responsible for having access

ramps, and accessible bathrooms/showers, etc. But

let's draw a line somewhere.

>>

to have same access to telephone as everyone else has.

also, TTY's generally cost 200 + dollars, maybe thats inexpensive to

you, but

not to me. One tiny bump and you could scrw the whole machine up

(besides,

have you ever seen how airlines handle your luggage, LOL youd have a

bunch of

keys and a board where theyre supposed to go).

Someone is going to bring up portable TTY's, theyre cute, very

small, and

easy to carry around, however, anyone who's hands are as messed up

as mine

are will agree, those keys are entirely too small to type with.

alll I can say is, it's a law so there shoould be no excuses what so

ever.

Caren

May 19, 2000

In a message dated 5/19/00 3:33:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ncwaldrip@... writes:

<< Why don't we require the waiters to learn sign

language while we're at it? I mean, everyone else

gets to order without any hassle.

The antagonist,

>>

pen and paper work fine for such things my dear.

a tty is kinda a necessidy if you will, what if there was an emergency???

would kinda suck to have to drag a bleeding broken leg to front desk because

you had no access to a phone, hmmm????

opening a can of whoop-ass on nathan! (i love the deating btw, nothing

personal or anything, of course you knew that, i hope)

Caren

May 19, 2000

caren:)

I don't have a scotter,don't " really " need one,I hang on to shopping carts

for dear life.Still,nobody will let me ride those little motorized scooter

carts.They don't trust me:),their afraid I'd goof around in

it.ME,JIMMY????????????????

Jimmy

Re: ADA in the news

> In a message dated 5/19/00 9:41:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cinnyd@...

> writes:

>

> << why does this statement bother me? i'll be the 1st to admit its bc of

my

> own

> fears, i knw the possibility is there for all of us. i know thats not wht

> your

> post was abt, it was abt inaccessibity for handicapped. it irks me too.!

> but how

> do u live with " knowing or assuming " you wil or may be one day in a wheel

> chair?

>

> LasVegasG1RL@... wrote:

>

> >

> > (no i'm not in a chair, yet, but i know eventually i will be and tthis

just

> > irks me!!!) >>

>

> this was a personal statement..my walking already sucks to the point I use

a

> chair alot of times or my funky scooter. I know I will wind up in a chair

> more and more because my spine is polka dotted with tumors and I have a

very

> aggressive c ase.

>

> not everyone, not even close to everyone ends up in one, but being

realistic

> I know I will be. does this stop me from living?? hell no, but it does

open

> my eyes and I do se things that are going to be a challenege, such as nonn

> accessible hotel rooms or resturants or bathhrooms, you get the idea

>

> caren

>

May 19, 2000

i have a comment on braille drive thrus.I have iffy eyesight,people take me

to the atm alot,it is alot easier to read a computer monitor then it's key

pad.I can see how braille keys could help people who are legally blind.

Jimmy

Re: ADA in the news

> In a message dated 5/19/00 12:44:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> ncwaldrip@... writes:

>

> <<

> But where do we draw they line? I mean, the

> drive-through ATM at my bank has Braille. It's a

> drive-through! I pray I don't run into THAT driver.

>

> No, I can't afford to buy new TTYs all the time. But

> I have a carrying case in the one I do have, and I

> used to take it with me. I know it's a pain in the

> rear, but being deaf is a pain in the rear. If a

> hotel wants to provide TTYs for possible deaf clients,

> great. But I think it's asking too much to REQUIRE

> businesses to buy a TTY on the off-chance that they

> will get a deaf customer.

> >>

>

> well gee, shall the hotel be required to have a telephone?? I mean theyre

> light, easy to carry, and inexpensive. Why don't hearing people bring

their

> own telephones??

>

> also why I wont take our tty, i use a cane, so have one free hand, ither

> luggage or carry bag is with me, if i even tried to add more weight I

would

> tumble right over..

>

> there are certain line that should be drawn, but the telephone is used by

> everyone and i feel should be accessible to all, to each their own

opinion,

> you can carry your tty, ill make a fuss till hotels have them for us.

>

> caren.

>

May 19, 2000

i have a comment on braille drive thrus.I have iffy eyesight,people take me

to the atm alot,it is alot easier to read a computer monitor then it's key

pad.I can see how braille keys could help people who are legally blind.

Jimmy

Re: ADA in the news

> In a message dated 5/19/00 12:44:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> ncwaldrip@... writes:

>

> <<

> But where do we draw they line? I mean, the

> drive-through ATM at my bank has Braille. It's a

> drive-through! I pray I don't run into THAT driver.

>

> No, I can't afford to buy new TTYs all the time. But

> I have a carrying case in the one I do have, and I

> used to take it with me. I know it's a pain in the

> rear, but being deaf is a pain in the rear. If a

> hotel wants to provide TTYs for possible deaf clients,

> great. But I think it's asking too much to REQUIRE

> businesses to buy a TTY on the off-chance that they

> will get a deaf customer.

> >>

>

> well gee, shall the hotel be required to have a telephone?? I mean theyre

> light, easy to carry, and inexpensive. Why don't hearing people bring

their

> own telephones??

>

> also why I wont take our tty, i use a cane, so have one free hand, ither

> luggage or carry bag is with me, if i even tried to add more weight I

would

> tumble right over..

>

> there are certain line that should be drawn, but the telephone is used by

> everyone and i feel should be accessible to all, to each their own

opinion,

> you can carry your tty, ill make a fuss till hotels have them for us.

>

> caren.

>

May 19, 2000

i have a comment on braille drive thrus.I have iffy eyesight,people take me

to the atm alot,it is alot easier to read a computer monitor then it's key

pad.I can see how braille keys could help people who are legally blind.

Jimmy

Re: ADA in the news

> In a message dated 5/19/00 12:44:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> ncwaldrip@... writes:

>

> <<

> But where do we draw they line? I mean, the

> drive-through ATM at my bank has Braille. It's a

> drive-through! I pray I don't run into THAT driver.

>

> No, I can't afford to buy new TTYs all the time. But

> I have a carrying case in the one I do have, and I

> used to take it with me. I know it's a pain in the

> rear, but being deaf is a pain in the rear. If a

> hotel wants to provide TTYs for possible deaf clients,

> great. But I think it's asking too much to REQUIRE

> businesses to buy a TTY on the off-chance that they

> will get a deaf customer.

> >>

>

> well gee, shall the hotel be required to have a telephone?? I mean theyre

> light, easy to carry, and inexpensive. Why don't hearing people bring

their

> own telephones??

>

> also why I wont take our tty, i use a cane, so have one free hand, ither

> luggage or carry bag is with me, if i even tried to add more weight I

would

> tumble right over..

>

> there are certain line that should be drawn, but the telephone is used by

> everyone and i feel should be accessible to all, to each their own

opinion,

> you can carry your tty, ill make a fuss till hotels have them for us.

>

> caren.

>

May 19, 2000

> well gee, shall the hotel be required to have a

> telephone?? I mean theyre

> light, easy to carry, and inexpensive. Why don't

> hearing people bring their

> own telephones??

> caren.

Why don't we require the waiters to learn sign

language while we're at it? I mean, everyone else

gets to order without any hassle.

The antagonist,

__________________________________________________

May 19, 2000

> well gee, shall the hotel be required to have a

> telephone?? I mean theyre

> light, easy to carry, and inexpensive. Why don't

> hearing people bring their

> own telephones??

> caren.

Why don't we require the waiters to learn sign

language while we're at it? I mean, everyone else

gets to order without any hassle.

The antagonist,

__________________________________________________

May 19, 2000

> well gee, shall the hotel be required to have a

> telephone?? I mean theyre

> light, easy to carry, and inexpensive. Why don't

> hearing people bring their

> own telephones??

> caren.

Why don't we require the waiters to learn sign

language while we're at it? I mean, everyone else

gets to order without any hassle.

The antagonist,

__________________________________________________

May 19, 2000

--- Jimmy wrote:

> i have a comment on braille drive thrus.I have iffy

> eyesight,people take me

> to the atm alot,it is alot easier to read a computer

> monitor then it's key

> pad.I can see how braille keys could help people who

> are legally blind.

> Jimmy

Yes, but it wasn't a walk-up ATM, it was a

drive-through, one-way (meaning you can't drive in

backwards so the passenger is next to the ATM instead

of the driver). If the driver needs Braille, he

shouldn't be driving!

__________________________________________________

May 19, 2000

--- Jimmy wrote:

> i have a comment on braille drive thrus.I have iffy

> eyesight,people take me

> to the atm alot,it is alot easier to read a computer

> monitor then it's key

> pad.I can see how braille keys could help people who

> are legally blind.

> Jimmy

Yes, but it wasn't a walk-up ATM, it was a

drive-through, one-way (meaning you can't drive in

backwards so the passenger is next to the ATM instead

of the driver). If the driver needs Braille, he

shouldn't be driving!

__________________________________________________

May 19, 2000

There could be other reasons for the braille keys too:

1) The machines are made to a certain standard and to customize it for various

locations would be more expensive.

2) The passengers may may need to use the bank machine.

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From: Jimmy

Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 3:14 PM

To: NF2_Crewegroups

Subject: Re: ADA in the news

i have a comment on braille drive thrus.I have iffy eyesight,people take me

to the atm alot,it is alot easier to read a computer monitor then it's key

pad.I can see how braille keys could help people who are legally blind.

Jimmy

May 19, 2000

Hey ,

In Canada, all we have is snow!

PS - Does Sam ring a bell??

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From: and Christi Waldrip

Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 2:45 PM

To: NF2_Crewegroups

Subject: Re: ADA in the news

Came back to Texas, where all we have is tornadoes.

May 19, 2000

Hey Jenn,

I'm not taking sides here but sometimes you have to complain. I know you have to

draw the line too but that line is very hazy. When I became deaf in 1986, my

parents paid $550 for a CC converter. Seems to me someone was feeding off the

deaf. Where would we be if nobody complained that the CC converters should be

built into the TV itself??

I agree that if you don't like something, go elsewhere. A lot of places try hard

to get your business. The law adds restrictions and red tape but it also makes a

bit of sense. I'm not one to complain myself but that visual fire alarm could

save your life. I always check to see where the fire exits are in a hotel but

having the alarm does not hurt.

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From: Jennette Braaten

Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 2:36 PM

To: NF2_Crewegroups

Subject: Re: ADA in the news

Excellent, !!) And maybe we need to Braille menus too, eh?

Require every store to have magnifying glasses for those unable to read tiny

print on labels? I mean, that's not OUR responsibility is it? I mean,

everyone else can see normally, right? I'm on your side, . Caren,

I'm not saying there shouldn't be accessible rooms in big chain hotels, I

too will soon need them, but where is the line drawn?. If small businesses

(Clints little hotel) do not have the accommodations one needs, then why

give him your business? Go elsewhere. When do we stop complaining? We

throw a lawsuit, get our way in one thing, only to find a brand new " It's

not fair. " to complain about.

Jennette

May 19, 2000