Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 I find the following to be interesting. And I especially wonder what the " risks " are that he refers to if you take more than 4 tabs a day. It's on a website of recommendations for treating fibromyalgia (link below). Cortef (Rx) - 5 mg tablets - ½ to 2½ tablet(s) at breakfast, ½ to 1½ tablets at lunch and 0 to ½ tablets at 4 PM. Use the lowest dose that feels the best. Most patients find that 1 to 1½ tablets in the morning and ½ to 1 tablet at noon is optimal. Take it with food if it causes an acid stomach. Do not take over 4 tablets a day without discussing the risks with your physician. Take Calcium (see #5) if on Cortef. If taken too late in the day, Cortef can keep you up at night. You can double the dose for up to 1 to 3 weeks (to maximum 7 tablets a day), during periods of severe stress (e.g., infections - see or call your doctor for the infection and let him/her know you're raising the dose). If routinely taking over 4 tablets a day, wear a " Med-Alert bracelet " that says " on chronic Cortisol treatment. " After 9-18 months, you can try to wean off the Cortef (decrease by ½ tablet a day each 2 weeks) if you feel OK (or no worse) without it. https://www.endfatigue.com/home.nsf/0/6154701cd458943785256857006fa45 f?OpenDocument Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 I find the following to be interesting. And I especially wonder what the " risks " are that he refers to if you take more than 4 tabs a day. It's on a website of recommendations for treating fibromyalgia (link below). Cortef (Rx) - 5 mg tablets - ½ to 2½ tablet(s) at breakfast, ½ to 1½ tablets at lunch and 0 to ½ tablets at 4 PM. Use the lowest dose that feels the best. Most patients find that 1 to 1½ tablets in the morning and ½ to 1 tablet at noon is optimal. Take it with food if it causes an acid stomach. Do not take over 4 tablets a day without discussing the risks with your physician. Take Calcium (see #5) if on Cortef. If taken too late in the day, Cortef can keep you up at night. You can double the dose for up to 1 to 3 weeks (to maximum 7 tablets a day), during periods of severe stress (e.g., infections - see or call your doctor for the infection and let him/her know you're raising the dose). If routinely taking over 4 tablets a day, wear a " Med-Alert bracelet " that says " on chronic Cortisol treatment. " After 9-18 months, you can try to wean off the Cortef (decrease by ½ tablet a day each 2 weeks) if you feel OK (or no worse) without it. https://www.endfatigue.com/home.nsf/0/6154701cd458943785256857006fa45 f?OpenDocument Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Thanks for the info, Bev, but is it OTC or prescription? Ella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 OTC (Hi Ella!!) Janie > Thanks for the info, Bev, but is it OTC or prescription? > > Ella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 OTC (Hi Ella!!) Janie > Thanks for the info, Bev, but is it OTC or prescription? > > Ella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 > OTC (Hi Ella!!) Janie > > > Thanks for the info, Bev, but is it OTC or prescription? > > > > Ella ((((JANIE)))) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 > Val!! Great info. And that was RIGHT on the site I was looking at, > and missed!! NOW, can someone tell me how many mg. of Cortisol are > in one tab of Cortef?? (maybe I should go use Google--ha!) > > Janie It was a cool site, but a bit overwhelming for me since I can't really afford all those things they said to take! What I really need is to see if a HF store or GNC might have adrenal support products since I don't have a CC to order online. My fiance's aunt was going to let me use hers to order Armour, but she checked her balances and really can't do it right now either. Surely GNC has 'something' that's comparable. Ella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Ella, This may be good news for you. One of the reasons that I first ordered from Nutri-Meds is that they will allow mail order if you do not have a credit card. Contact me off list and I'll give you the info. Topper () topper2@... On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:03:54 -0000 " Ella " writes: > It was a cool site, but a bit overwhelming for me since I can't > really afford all those things they said to take! What I really > need > is to see if a HF store or GNC might have adrenal support products > since I don't have a CC to order online. My fiance's aunt was going > to let me use hers to order Armour, but she checked her balances and > really can't do it right now either. Surely GNC has 'something' > that's comparable. > > Ella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 > So, are you taking 2 pellets a day? Have you been on your period during > this time that you've experienced the improvement? > > I've taken 2/day (1 when I wake up and 1 at noon) for two days and am not > feeling much of anything - maybe a slight nervousness. I experienced > tremendous nervousness when I took prednisone (large dose) back in April. > > Tomorrow, I'm going to try 2 pellets in the morning and 1 at noon and see > what happens. I have a prescription for Nature-Throid that I'm going to > start on next week and see what happens. > > Val in Boulder, CO > > From: " loboshe " <usns@r...> > > Val, thanks for the info. > > I didn't notice anything when I started the Isocort either--I did > two pellets, too. BUT, by the third day, the very thing I was trying > it for----escessive fatigue and achiness in reaction to my female > hormones------stopped!!! WHOOHOO!! I am now on my 6th day. I'm not > going to pronounce that I FINALLY found the " cure " , but it's very > promising, so far!! I am taking 2 pellets in the morning, and two > more in the afternoon--just like what I am doing with Armour, BTW. > > And if you adrenals get the benefit from the Isocort, you may be > able to do the Armour again, since it may not have been an allergic > reaction to Armours fillers, but the adrenal problem. But like with > me, time will tell!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 > So, are you taking 2 pellets a day? Have you been on your period during > this time that you've experienced the improvement? > > I've taken 2/day (1 when I wake up and 1 at noon) for two days and am not > feeling much of anything - maybe a slight nervousness. I experienced > tremendous nervousness when I took prednisone (large dose) back in April. > > Tomorrow, I'm going to try 2 pellets in the morning and 1 at noon and see > what happens. I have a prescription for Nature-Throid that I'm going to > start on next week and see what happens. > > Val in Boulder, CO > > From: " loboshe " <usns@r...> > > Val, thanks for the info. > > I didn't notice anything when I started the Isocort either--I did > two pellets, too. BUT, by the third day, the very thing I was trying > it for----escessive fatigue and achiness in reaction to my female > hormones------stopped!!! WHOOHOO!! I am now on my 6th day. I'm not > going to pronounce that I FINALLY found the " cure " , but it's very > promising, so far!! I am taking 2 pellets in the morning, and two > more in the afternoon--just like what I am doing with Armour, BTW. > > And if you adrenals get the benefit from the Isocort, you may be > able to do the Armour again, since it may not have been an allergic > reaction to Armours fillers, but the adrenal problem. But like with > me, time will tell!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 > So, are you taking 2 pellets a day? Have you been on your period during > this time that you've experienced the improvement? > > I've taken 2/day (1 when I wake up and 1 at noon) for two days and am not > feeling much of anything - maybe a slight nervousness. I experienced > tremendous nervousness when I took prednisone (large dose) back in April. > > Tomorrow, I'm going to try 2 pellets in the morning and 1 at noon and see > what happens. I have a prescription for Nature-Throid that I'm going to > start on next week and see what happens. > > Val in Boulder, CO > > From: " loboshe " <usns@r...> > > Val, thanks for the info. > > I didn't notice anything when I started the Isocort either--I did > two pellets, too. BUT, by the third day, the very thing I was trying > it for----escessive fatigue and achiness in reaction to my female > hormones------stopped!!! WHOOHOO!! I am now on my 6th day. I'm not > going to pronounce that I FINALLY found the " cure " , but it's very > promising, so far!! I am taking 2 pellets in the morning, and two > more in the afternoon--just like what I am doing with Armour, BTW. > > And if you adrenals get the benefit from the Isocort, you may be > able to do the Armour again, since it may not have been an allergic > reaction to Armours fillers, but the adrenal problem. But like with > me, time will tell!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 > So, are you taking 2 pellets a day? Have you been on your period >during this time that you've experienced the improvement? No, four pellets a day. 2 in the morning; 2 in the afternoon (or when I remember!) I have not been on my period. I had stopped EVERYTHING hormonal wise. First time in at least 7 years I've been without anything! And I started having the same horrible reaction to my hormonal swings (excessive fatigue and achiness) that I used to only have with the start of my period. A week ago, for example, and only 1 1/2 weeks after my last period, I started having excessive fatigue and achiness--probably just right after ovulation. Started the Isocort on Sunday or Monday. Within 2-3 days, the achiness and fatigue stopped!! hmmmm I one time read that even if you don't have obvious adrenal fatigue, you could have adrenals " just " sluggish enough so that when stress hits, or EVEN the stress of hormonal shifts, you would have symptoms. Another huge hmmmmm. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Okay, I've order Isocort. I know ya'll take them in pellet form, but I got tablets. It says to chew them up, but couldn't I take them subligually as well? What do you do? Zina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 They don't come in pellets ...they are tablets. I chewed mine up when I was taking them. They are bitter but taste way better to me than the thyroid tablets do. Isocort > Okay, I've order Isocort. I know ya'll take them in pellet form, but > I got tablets. It says to chew them up, but couldn't I take them > subligually as well? What do you do? > > Zina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 > Okay, I've order Isocort. I know ya'll take them in pellet form, >but I got tablets. It says to chew them up, but couldn't I take >them subligually as well? What do you do? Actually, pellets are the same as tablets. Mine are little tablets similar to the size of my Armour. I haven't tried them sublingually yet, but your inquiry makes me want to try it this afternoon. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 > Okay, I've order Isocort. I know ya'll take them in pellet form, >but I got tablets. It says to chew them up, but couldn't I take >them subligually as well? What do you do? Actually, pellets are the same as tablets. Mine are little tablets similar to the size of my Armour. I haven't tried them sublingually yet, but your inquiry makes me want to try it this afternoon. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 To me pellets are the little lactose homeopathic pills...either rounded or " pellet-shaped " lol...I had forgotten that they list them as pellets on the side of the bottle, lol. Re: Isocort > The directions on the side of my bottle calls them pellets, but they > are tablets. It's funny--when I first heard someone calling them > pellets, all I could picture is rabbit food!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA > > Janie, aka ThyroDiva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 I do my nutri-meds adrenals sublingually..... Topper () aka ThyroGeek (one of the four ThyroMusketeers) On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:01:07 -0000 " loboshe " writes: > > Okay, I've order Isocort. I know ya'll take them in pellet form, > >but I got tablets. It says to chew them up, but couldn't I take > >them subligually as well? What do you do? > Actually, pellets are the same as tablets. Mine are little tablets > similar to the size of my Armour. I haven't tried them sublingually > yet, but your inquiry makes me want to try it this afternoon. > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Me too! > The directions on the side of my bottle calls them pellets, but they > are tablets. It's funny--when I first heard someone calling them > pellets, all I could picture is rabbit food!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA > > Janie, aka ThyroDiva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Let me know how it goes! Zina > Actually, pellets are the same as tablets. Mine are little tablets > similar to the size of my Armour. I haven't tried them sublingually > yet, but your inquiry makes me want to try it this afternoon. > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 Hi EveryOne, My experience is that Isocort is stronger in its effect than the other natural Adrenal Glandulars I have tried from the health food store and on-line. Some are whole adrenal hormones as from Nutri-meds and some just adrenal cortex from various companies such as Thorne and others. I have tried both of those too but so far, Isocort works better for me. I sometimes take one of the whole adrenal glandulars along with the Isocort to get as close to nature as possible. I have not tried Cortef and I assume that would be stronger than Isocort. Depends on what you need.....I bought the 20mg. tablets to save on shipping but would have to split them into 1/4 if I decide to try Cortef. I will certainly use it if I need it. Isocort, according to the label, contains Adrenal Cortex and herbs. Adrenal Cortex would be dessicated natural adrenal cortex containing Cortisol and perhaps other substances also made in the adrenal cortex. Whereas Cortef is hydrocortisone: Cortisol only. It does not contain anything else. Prednisone is stronger yet and synthetic. My theory so far is that if it works for you, great, if not - keep tweaking So far the Isocort works for me but if it didn't I would move on to Cortef. I like to stick as close to what nature makes as possible because I believe natural substances are more easily assimilated and also contain ingredients that man has yet to measure and synthesize. However, if no natural product worked I would use a synthetic if my health depended on it. I have only been learning about all of this for six months or so and every day I learn something new so I am open to change as I learn more. For example, today I learned that Melatonin helps cells be receptive to thyroid and adrenal hormone so it is important to get good sleep and or take Melatonin. It is also good to take the Melatonin with Zinc and Selenium. Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev Thyroid-Adrenal Connection http://www.bestweb.net/~om/thyroid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 Hi EveryOne, My experience is that Isocort is stronger in its effect than the other natural Adrenal Glandulars I have tried from the health food store and on-line. Some are whole adrenal hormones as from Nutri-meds and some just adrenal cortex from various companies such as Thorne and others. I have tried both of those too but so far, Isocort works better for me. I sometimes take one of the whole adrenal glandulars along with the Isocort to get as close to nature as possible. I have not tried Cortef and I assume that would be stronger than Isocort. Depends on what you need.....I bought the 20mg. tablets to save on shipping but would have to split them into 1/4 if I decide to try Cortef. I will certainly use it if I need it. Isocort, according to the label, contains Adrenal Cortex and herbs. Adrenal Cortex would be dessicated natural adrenal cortex containing Cortisol and perhaps other substances also made in the adrenal cortex. Whereas Cortef is hydrocortisone: Cortisol only. It does not contain anything else. Prednisone is stronger yet and synthetic. My theory so far is that if it works for you, great, if not - keep tweaking So far the Isocort works for me but if it didn't I would move on to Cortef. I like to stick as close to what nature makes as possible because I believe natural substances are more easily assimilated and also contain ingredients that man has yet to measure and synthesize. However, if no natural product worked I would use a synthetic if my health depended on it. I have only been learning about all of this for six months or so and every day I learn something new so I am open to change as I learn more. For example, today I learned that Melatonin helps cells be receptive to thyroid and adrenal hormone so it is important to get good sleep and or take Melatonin. It is also good to take the Melatonin with Zinc and Selenium. Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev Thyroid-Adrenal Connection http://www.bestweb.net/~om/thyroid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Thanks Bev for the information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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