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I am not a patient but i do have an interest in chiari. My question is this If

this condition is carried for many years and not diagnosed until there is an

injury or trauma,if there was a history of it in the family could a person not

have the spinal fluid MRI done to diagnose it early and have repairs done before

it gets to the debilitating stage with all of the pain and suffering?

Sorry for such a long question. Simon

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Simon,

Some people can have a Chiari 1 malformation and never even develope

any symptoms. The surical risks outweigh the benefits in people with

minor symptoms. What you and I might consider major symptoms, such as

painful chronic headaches are even considered as minor to the doctors

when weighed against the risks of the surgery. It sure might save a lot

of suffering. But then again we don't know this would be the case as

really this decompression surgery is still in the early stages and the

doctors still have a lot to learn.

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Another take on this subject though... I've been told by many, not to

mention my neurosurgeon dr. Batzdorf of UCLA, that if you wait until your

symptoms are severe they could be irreversible.

Connie :)

ACM 13mm & FMS

Surgery 5/26/00

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Simon,

Some people can have a Chiari 1 malformation and never even develope

any symptoms. The surical risks outweigh the benefits in people with

minor symptoms. What you and I might consider major symptoms, such as

painful chronic headaches are even considered as minor to the doctors

when weighed against the risks of the surgery. It sure might save a lot

of suffering. But then again we don't know this would be the case as

really this decompression surgery is still in the early stages and the

doctors still have a lot to learn.

Debbie

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Another take on this subject though... I've been told by many, not to

mention my neurosurgeon dr. Batzdorf of UCLA, that if you wait until your

symptoms are severe they could be irreversible.

Connie :)

ACM 13mm & FMS

Surgery 5/26/00

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Simon,

Some people can have a Chiari 1 malformation and never even develope

any symptoms. The surical risks outweigh the benefits in people with

minor symptoms. What you and I might consider major symptoms, such as

painful chronic headaches are even considered as minor to the doctors

when weighed against the risks of the surgery. It sure might save a lot

of suffering. But then again we don't know this would be the case as

really this decompression surgery is still in the early stages and the

doctors still have a lot to learn.

Debbie

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Unsubscribe Yourself: chiari-unsubscribeegroups

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WACMA Home: www.pressenter.com/~wacma

WACMA List: www.eGroups.com/group/chiari

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Another take on this subject though... I've been told by many, not to

mention my neurosurgeon dr. Batzdorf of UCLA, that if you wait until your

symptoms are severe they could be irreversible.

Connie :)

ACM 13mm & FMS

Surgery 5/26/00

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Simon,

Some people can have a Chiari 1 malformation and never even develope

any symptoms. The surical risks outweigh the benefits in people with

minor symptoms. What you and I might consider major symptoms, such as

painful chronic headaches are even considered as minor to the doctors

when weighed against the risks of the surgery. It sure might save a lot

of suffering. But then again we don't know this would be the case as

really this decompression surgery is still in the early stages and the

doctors still have a lot to learn.

Debbie

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NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari Content

Unsubscribe Yourself: chiari-unsubscribeegroups

Technical Help: chiari-owneregroups

WACMA Home: www.pressenter.com/~wacma

WACMA List: www.eGroups.com/group/chiari

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Connie,

You are exactly right. The longer you have neurological problems,

the less likely you are to have complete reversal of these symptoms with

the surgery.

Debbie

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Connie,

You are exactly right. The longer you have neurological problems,

the less likely you are to have complete reversal of these symptoms with

the surgery.

Debbie

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Connie,

You are exactly right. The longer you have neurological problems,

the less likely you are to have complete reversal of these symptoms with

the surgery.

Debbie

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I have found this to be true. I was told that by my nsg before surgery and

so far he was right. The damage was to bad by the time I had surgery so I

can only hope it doesnt get worse. Bummer, isnt it? Laurie in Illinois

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>

>

> Simon,

> Some people can have a Chiari 1 malformation and never even develope

> any symptoms. The surical risks outweigh the benefits in people with

> minor symptoms. What you and I might consider major symptoms, such as

> painful chronic headaches are even considered as minor to the doctors

> when weighed against the risks of the surgery. It sure might save a lot

> of suffering. But then again we don't know this would be the case as

> really this decompression surgery is still in the early stages and the

> doctors still have a lot to learn.

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

> _________

> NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari Content

> Unsubscribe Yourself: chiari-unsubscribeegroups

> Technical Help: chiari-owneregroups

> WACMA Home: www.pressenter.com/~wacma

> WACMA List: www.eGroups.com/group/chiari

>

>

>

>

>

> _________

> NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari Content

> Unsubscribe Yourself: chiari-unsubscribeegroups

> Technical Help: chiari-owneregroups

> WACMA Home: www.pressenter.com/~wacma

> WACMA List: www.eGroups.com/group/chiari

>

>

>

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I have found this to be true. I was told that by my nsg before surgery and

so far he was right. The damage was to bad by the time I had surgery so I

can only hope it doesnt get worse. Bummer, isnt it? Laurie in Illinois

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>

>

> Simon,

> Some people can have a Chiari 1 malformation and never even develope

> any symptoms. The surical risks outweigh the benefits in people with

> minor symptoms. What you and I might consider major symptoms, such as

> painful chronic headaches are even considered as minor to the doctors

> when weighed against the risks of the surgery. It sure might save a lot

> of suffering. But then again we don't know this would be the case as

> really this decompression surgery is still in the early stages and the

> doctors still have a lot to learn.

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

> _________

> NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari Content

> Unsubscribe Yourself: chiari-unsubscribeegroups

> Technical Help: chiari-owneregroups

> WACMA Home: www.pressenter.com/~wacma

> WACMA List: www.eGroups.com/group/chiari

>

>

>

>

>

> _________

> NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari Content

> Unsubscribe Yourself: chiari-unsubscribeegroups

> Technical Help: chiari-owneregroups

> WACMA Home: www.pressenter.com/~wacma

> WACMA List: www.eGroups.com/group/chiari

>

>

>

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I have found this to be true. I was told that by my nsg before surgery and

so far he was right. The damage was to bad by the time I had surgery so I

can only hope it doesnt get worse. Bummer, isnt it? Laurie in Illinois

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>

>

> Simon,

> Some people can have a Chiari 1 malformation and never even develope

> any symptoms. The surical risks outweigh the benefits in people with

> minor symptoms. What you and I might consider major symptoms, such as

> painful chronic headaches are even considered as minor to the doctors

> when weighed against the risks of the surgery. It sure might save a lot

> of suffering. But then again we don't know this would be the case as

> really this decompression surgery is still in the early stages and the

> doctors still have a lot to learn.

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

> _________

> NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari Content

> Unsubscribe Yourself: chiari-unsubscribeegroups

> Technical Help: chiari-owneregroups

> WACMA Home: www.pressenter.com/~wacma

> WACMA List: www.eGroups.com/group/chiari

>

>

>

>

>

> _________

> NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari Content

> Unsubscribe Yourself: chiari-unsubscribeegroups

> Technical Help: chiari-owneregroups

> WACMA Home: www.pressenter.com/~wacma

> WACMA List: www.eGroups.com/group/chiari

>

>

>

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Connie, I think Dr. Batzdorf is well respected here at Egroups. Also, it's

not against the guidelines to say,NICE, stuff about the medics! <grin> It is

true, unlike any other bodily system, that the nervous system does not

regenerate if lost. Some other parts might take over for the lost portion

but it's never a full compensatory functionibility.

That said, decompression is a serious operation with serious risk--so is a

tonsillectomy--and deserves serious consideration beforehand. God luck and

best wishes. to you---

;-) a wink and a smile can last quite a while. Marcia,aka Me2,ACM1,V/P

shunt not decompressed

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Connie, I think Dr. Batzdorf is well respected here at Egroups. Also, it's

not against the guidelines to say,NICE, stuff about the medics! <grin> It is

true, unlike any other bodily system, that the nervous system does not

regenerate if lost. Some other parts might take over for the lost portion

but it's never a full compensatory functionibility.

That said, decompression is a serious operation with serious risk--so is a

tonsillectomy--and deserves serious consideration beforehand. God luck and

best wishes. to you---

;-) a wink and a smile can last quite a while. Marcia,aka Me2,ACM1,V/P

shunt not decompressed

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Connie, I think Dr. Batzdorf is well respected here at Egroups. Also, it's

not against the guidelines to say,NICE, stuff about the medics! <grin> It is

true, unlike any other bodily system, that the nervous system does not

regenerate if lost. Some other parts might take over for the lost portion

but it's never a full compensatory functionibility.

That said, decompression is a serious operation with serious risk--so is a

tonsillectomy--and deserves serious consideration beforehand. God luck and

best wishes. to you---

;-) a wink and a smile can last quite a while. Marcia,aka Me2,ACM1,V/P

shunt not decompressed

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Laurie....I totally agree....talk about " throwing salt on an open wound " .

Sometimes makes you wonder if this is " As Good As It Gets?? "

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Laurie....I totally agree....talk about " throwing salt on an open wound " .

Sometimes makes you wonder if this is " As Good As It Gets?? "

Elaine

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Laurie....I totally agree....talk about " throwing salt on an open wound " .

Sometimes makes you wonder if this is " As Good As It Gets?? "

Elaine

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> Laurie....I totally agree....talk about " throwing salt on an open wound " .

> Sometimes makes you wonder if this is " As Good As It Gets?? "

Never give up.

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> Laurie....I totally agree....talk about " throwing salt on an open wound " .

> Sometimes makes you wonder if this is " As Good As It Gets?? "

Never give up.

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> Laurie....I totally agree....talk about " throwing salt on an open wound " .

> Sometimes makes you wonder if this is " As Good As It Gets?? "

Never give up.

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Simon,

According to what I have read and been told by Dr. Frim, right now

this is not plausable. For one thing, just because a person has an ACM

1, it doesn't necessarily mean that will ever have any problem.

Occassionally a person can have a Chiari 1 malformation and maintain a

good CSF flow without ever developing a blockage of flow enough to cause

any symptoms. It wouldn't make sense to do surgery on someone in this

case as you might like cause more problems than they would have had

otherwise. Right now, they are only doing surgery on people who are

usually beyond the initial stage of pain, and have enough neurological

problems so that the need for surgery outweighs the risks of the

surgery. I think it must be a pretty hard call for the doctors.

The longer you are symptomatic especially with the neurological

symptoms, the more likely that you will have some remaining or

irreversable neurological symptoms post op. You have to remember that

this is all still somewhat in the experimental stage right now as they

are still doing studies and learning more about post op complications

every day.

Hopefully, some day soon, they will have worked all the " kinks " out

so that the surgcal procedure becomes more well known and more well

taught in med school. Then more doctors will know and believe the

information about ACM 1. Then the radiologists will also be able to

recognize it better also.

All in all, there are still some " kinks " to be worked out, some more

studies to be done, some teaching to be done to doctors/radiologists

ect.. Right now, the majority of us according to the general doctor's

criteria, only fall into the category of pseudoneurological patients.

Plain and simple, psychosomatic disorders are what we have. This is only

because this is what they learned in school, and it is all they know. I

hope the day comes soon that that they ALL will know the truth.

Debbie

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Simon,

According to what I have read and been told by Dr. Frim, right now

this is not plausable. For one thing, just because a person has an ACM

1, it doesn't necessarily mean that will ever have any problem.

Occassionally a person can have a Chiari 1 malformation and maintain a

good CSF flow without ever developing a blockage of flow enough to cause

any symptoms. It wouldn't make sense to do surgery on someone in this

case as you might like cause more problems than they would have had

otherwise. Right now, they are only doing surgery on people who are

usually beyond the initial stage of pain, and have enough neurological

problems so that the need for surgery outweighs the risks of the

surgery. I think it must be a pretty hard call for the doctors.

The longer you are symptomatic especially with the neurological

symptoms, the more likely that you will have some remaining or

irreversable neurological symptoms post op. You have to remember that

this is all still somewhat in the experimental stage right now as they

are still doing studies and learning more about post op complications

every day.

Hopefully, some day soon, they will have worked all the " kinks " out

so that the surgcal procedure becomes more well known and more well

taught in med school. Then more doctors will know and believe the

information about ACM 1. Then the radiologists will also be able to

recognize it better also.

All in all, there are still some " kinks " to be worked out, some more

studies to be done, some teaching to be done to doctors/radiologists

ect.. Right now, the majority of us according to the general doctor's

criteria, only fall into the category of pseudoneurological patients.

Plain and simple, psychosomatic disorders are what we have. This is only

because this is what they learned in school, and it is all they know. I

hope the day comes soon that that they ALL will know the truth.

Debbie

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