Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 > Just finished reading Dr. Dommisse's Protocol and it contained this > paragraph in which he recommends taking the dessicated thyroid >AFTER breakfast and dinner to intentionally slowing the absorption >of T3. to make it more even and long lasting............. That's a good recommendation if you are swallowing your Armour. But you get that slower absorption if you are doing the Armour sublingually anyway, AND it's more efficient. I wonder if Dommisse has realized the efficacy of doing the Armour sublingually yet? That is one guy I wish we could do our OWN interview with!! He is so far ahead of most docs!! Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 I always take my first dose of the day on an empty stomach. The two others are just as I am getting ready to eat. Dr. Dommisse Protocol Hi EveryOne, Just finished reading Dr. Dommisse's Protocol and it contained this paragraph in which he recommends taking the dessicated thyroid AFTER breakfast and dinner to intentionally slowing the absorption of T3. to make it more even and long lasting............. Has anyone tried this? Shall we experiment? Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev Optimizing both the FT3 and FT4 levels usually requires either a combined T4/T3 preparation, or separate T4 and T3 preparations, or a combination of a T4 and a T4/T3 combination-preparation to be prescribed. Desiccated whole hog-thyroid (e.g., Armour Thyroid) is a good, relatively-inexpensive starting-point for the fixed-combination T4/T3 treatment. Since it contains T3, it should always be prescribed after breakfast and supper daily, to reduce the rapidity of onset and prolong the duration of its action. The major shift here for most physicians is to recognize that dessicated thyroid hormone should be used twice daily and not just once a day. If dessicated thyroid alone does not optimize both hormones' free-levels, additional T4-only or (much less often) T3-only treatment can be added in order to achieve this goal. Alternatively, an estimated amount of T4 can be prescribed daily, and an estimated amount of T3 can be prescribed separately after breakfast and supper daily. Once on hormone replacement, the ultrasensitive TSH remains useful until it goes below the low end of its normal range. Then thyroid function will have been optimized by the TSH yardstick, if FT4 and FT3 remain suboptimal; it then remains to be optimized by the yardstick of the accurate measures of the 2 thyroid hormones, the FT4 and FT3 levels, if there remains a discrepancy between these 2 yardsticks. from: Nutritional & Metabolic (Tele)Medicine Vlok Dommisse,MBChB(S.Africa/CapeTown),MD(USA/Canada), FRCP(Canada/Toronto, recognized in AZ and other states) US citizen; medically licensed in AZ (active), CT, VA, Ontario/Canada, and SouthAfrica (inactive) 1840 E River Rd, Ste 210, Tucson, AZ 85718-5892 Ph.: Fax: -1743 E-mail: @... Fed. Tax ID No. 68-6136057 Website (URL): http://www.DommisseMD.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- The Natural Medicine Letter, #8 Volume 4, Number 2, March 2000: Announcement of Article about my Ground- Breaking New Approach to Hypothyroidism; and the Abstract and Text of that Paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 I always take my first dose of the day on an empty stomach. The two others are just as I am getting ready to eat. Dr. Dommisse Protocol Hi EveryOne, Just finished reading Dr. Dommisse's Protocol and it contained this paragraph in which he recommends taking the dessicated thyroid AFTER breakfast and dinner to intentionally slowing the absorption of T3. to make it more even and long lasting............. Has anyone tried this? Shall we experiment? Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev Optimizing both the FT3 and FT4 levels usually requires either a combined T4/T3 preparation, or separate T4 and T3 preparations, or a combination of a T4 and a T4/T3 combination-preparation to be prescribed. Desiccated whole hog-thyroid (e.g., Armour Thyroid) is a good, relatively-inexpensive starting-point for the fixed-combination T4/T3 treatment. Since it contains T3, it should always be prescribed after breakfast and supper daily, to reduce the rapidity of onset and prolong the duration of its action. The major shift here for most physicians is to recognize that dessicated thyroid hormone should be used twice daily and not just once a day. If dessicated thyroid alone does not optimize both hormones' free-levels, additional T4-only or (much less often) T3-only treatment can be added in order to achieve this goal. Alternatively, an estimated amount of T4 can be prescribed daily, and an estimated amount of T3 can be prescribed separately after breakfast and supper daily. Once on hormone replacement, the ultrasensitive TSH remains useful until it goes below the low end of its normal range. Then thyroid function will have been optimized by the TSH yardstick, if FT4 and FT3 remain suboptimal; it then remains to be optimized by the yardstick of the accurate measures of the 2 thyroid hormones, the FT4 and FT3 levels, if there remains a discrepancy between these 2 yardsticks. from: Nutritional & Metabolic (Tele)Medicine Vlok Dommisse,MBChB(S.Africa/CapeTown),MD(USA/Canada), FRCP(Canada/Toronto, recognized in AZ and other states) US citizen; medically licensed in AZ (active), CT, VA, Ontario/Canada, and SouthAfrica (inactive) 1840 E River Rd, Ste 210, Tucson, AZ 85718-5892 Ph.: Fax: -1743 E-mail: @... Fed. Tax ID No. 68-6136057 Website (URL): http://www.DommisseMD.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- The Natural Medicine Letter, #8 Volume 4, Number 2, March 2000: Announcement of Article about my Ground- Breaking New Approach to Hypothyroidism; and the Abstract and Text of that Paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 I always take my first dose of the day on an empty stomach. The two others are just as I am getting ready to eat. Dr. Dommisse Protocol Hi EveryOne, Just finished reading Dr. Dommisse's Protocol and it contained this paragraph in which he recommends taking the dessicated thyroid AFTER breakfast and dinner to intentionally slowing the absorption of T3. to make it more even and long lasting............. Has anyone tried this? Shall we experiment? Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev Optimizing both the FT3 and FT4 levels usually requires either a combined T4/T3 preparation, or separate T4 and T3 preparations, or a combination of a T4 and a T4/T3 combination-preparation to be prescribed. Desiccated whole hog-thyroid (e.g., Armour Thyroid) is a good, relatively-inexpensive starting-point for the fixed-combination T4/T3 treatment. Since it contains T3, it should always be prescribed after breakfast and supper daily, to reduce the rapidity of onset and prolong the duration of its action. The major shift here for most physicians is to recognize that dessicated thyroid hormone should be used twice daily and not just once a day. If dessicated thyroid alone does not optimize both hormones' free-levels, additional T4-only or (much less often) T3-only treatment can be added in order to achieve this goal. Alternatively, an estimated amount of T4 can be prescribed daily, and an estimated amount of T3 can be prescribed separately after breakfast and supper daily. Once on hormone replacement, the ultrasensitive TSH remains useful until it goes below the low end of its normal range. Then thyroid function will have been optimized by the TSH yardstick, if FT4 and FT3 remain suboptimal; it then remains to be optimized by the yardstick of the accurate measures of the 2 thyroid hormones, the FT4 and FT3 levels, if there remains a discrepancy between these 2 yardsticks. from: Nutritional & Metabolic (Tele)Medicine Vlok Dommisse,MBChB(S.Africa/CapeTown),MD(USA/Canada), FRCP(Canada/Toronto, recognized in AZ and other states) US citizen; medically licensed in AZ (active), CT, VA, Ontario/Canada, and SouthAfrica (inactive) 1840 E River Rd, Ste 210, Tucson, AZ 85718-5892 Ph.: Fax: -1743 E-mail: @... Fed. Tax ID No. 68-6136057 Website (URL): http://www.DommisseMD.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- The Natural Medicine Letter, #8 Volume 4, Number 2, March 2000: Announcement of Article about my Ground- Breaking New Approach to Hypothyroidism; and the Abstract and Text of that Paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Now that I am on both Armour and liquid iron for the anemia and am taking the Armour under the tongue, would I still need to wait 4 hours in-between the two? Re: Dr. Dommisse Protocol > Just finished reading Dr. Dommisse's Protocol and it contained this > paragraph in which he recommends taking the dessicated thyroid >AFTER breakfast and dinner to intentionally slowing the absorption >of T3. to make it more even and long lasting............. That's a good recommendation if you are swallowing your Armour. But you get that slower absorption if you are doing the Armour sublingually anyway, AND it's more efficient. I wonder if Dommisse has realized the efficacy of doing the Armour sublingually yet? That is one guy I wish we could do our OWN interview with!! He is so far ahead of most docs!! Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 > Now that I am on both Armour and liquid iron for the anemia and am >taking the Armour under the tongue, would I still need to wait 4 >hours in-between the two? I haven't found it necessary to space them. But since you may have residue of liquid iron in your mouth, maybe you can dash the rest of it out of your mouth with another liquid of some kind before you do the Armour sublingually? Down the line, you can check your free T3 with labs (if you have insurance that pays for most of the lab) and increase the Armour a bit, or, you can try adding 1/4 grain of Armour later anyway to make up for potential binding. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Thanks. Does anyone have any links on which type of iron you take does what? I was taking ferrous sulfate at 50 to 100 mg a day and felt no improvement. Someone recommended Floradix which is a liquid ferrous gluconate at only 10 mg, yet that made a big difference! I have not had pounding heart or chest pain since I started it. Re: Dr. Dommisse Protocol > Now that I am on both Armour and liquid iron for the anemia and am >taking the Armour under the tongue, would I still need to wait 4 >hours in-between the two? I haven't found it necessary to space them. But since you may have residue of liquid iron in your mouth, maybe you can dash the rest of it out of your mouth with another liquid of some kind before you do the Armour sublingually? Down the line, you can check your free T3 with labs (if you have insurance that pays for most of the lab) and increase the Armour a bit, or, you can try adding 1/4 grain of Armour later anyway to make up for potential binding. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 I love Dr. Dommisse. I'd love to be able to have him treat me. I can't afford it though. Zina > > Just finished reading Dr. Dommisse's Protocol and it contained this > > paragraph in which he recommends taking the dessicated thyroid > >AFTER breakfast and dinner to intentionally slowing the absorption > >of T3. to make it more even and long lasting............. > > That's a good recommendation if you are swallowing your Armour. But > you get that slower absorption if you are doing the Armour > sublingually anyway, AND it's more efficient. I wonder if Dommisse > has realized the efficacy of doing the Armour sublingually yet? That > is one guy I wish we could do our OWN interview with!! He is so far > ahead of most docs!! > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 I read that the safest is Iron-Polysaccaride complexes, they minimizes free radical problems. The two that I found that are the best are Niferex-150 made by Central Pharmaceuticals of Seymour, Indiana, and Nu-iron-150, which is available without a prescription. I haven't used them, but in my research this is what I found and if I ever need to supplement, I will talk with my ND about these two brands. I'm sure there are others out there. I know Janie takes Iron. Zina > > Thanks. Does anyone have any links on which type of iron you take does what? I was taking ferrous sulfate at 50 to 100 mg a day and felt no improvement. Someone recommended Floradix which is a liquid ferrous gluconate at only 10 mg, yet that made a big difference! I have not had pounding heart or chest pain since I started it. > > Re: Dr. Dommisse Protocol > > > > Now that I am on both Armour and liquid iron for the anemia and am > >taking the Armour under the tongue, would I still need to wait 4 > >hours in-between the two? > > I haven't found it necessary to space them. But since you may have > residue of liquid iron in your mouth, maybe you can dash the rest of > it out of your mouth with another liquid of some kind before you do > the Armour sublingually? > > Down the line, you can check your free T3 with labs (if you have > insurance that pays for most of the lab) and increase the Armour a > bit, or, you can try adding 1/4 grain of Armour later anyway to make > up for potential binding. > > Janie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 I see my MD/ND on Wednesday. I will see what iron he has in his vast supplement cabinet.We can compare notes! Re: Dr. Dommisse Protocol > > > > Now that I am on both Armour and liquid iron for the anemia and am > >taking the Armour under the tongue, would I still need to wait 4 > >hours in-between the two? > > I haven't found it necessary to space them. But since you may have > residue of liquid iron in your mouth, maybe you can dash the rest of > it out of your mouth with another liquid of some kind before you do > the Armour sublingually? > > Down the line, you can check your free T3 with labs (if you have > insurance that pays for most of the lab) and increase the Armour a > bit, or, you can try adding 1/4 grain of Armour later anyway to make > up for potential binding. > > Janie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Okie dokie! ) > > > > Thanks. Does anyone have any links on which type of iron you take > does what? I was taking ferrous sulfate at 50 to 100 mg a day and > felt no improvement. Someone recommended Floradix which is a liquid > ferrous gluconate at only 10 mg, yet that made a big difference! I > have not had pounding heart or chest pain since I started it. > > > > Re: Dr. Dommisse Protocol > > > > > > > Now that I am on both Armour and liquid iron for the anemia and > am > > >taking the Armour under the tongue, would I still need to wait 4 > > >hours in-between the two? > > > > I haven't found it necessary to space them. But since you may > have > > residue of liquid iron in your mouth, maybe you can dash the rest > of > > it out of your mouth with another liquid of some kind before you > do > > the Armour sublingually? > > > > Down the line, you can check your free T3 with labs (if you have > > insurance that pays for most of the lab) and increase the Armour > a > > bit, or, you can try adding 1/4 grain of Armour later anyway to > make > > up for potential binding. > > > > Janie > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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