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Jeannine, I wish I could remember where I read this but I read once that

sometimes children will be born dependent on nutrients that the mom had too

high a level of during pregnancy OR was deprived of.

I remember it because I thought maybe our B vitamin problems might be a

result of some genetic mutation that happened when my ancestors left

Missouri in the dead of winter and crossed the plains and of course were

deprived of basic nutrients. This happened to be a family line where there

appears to be a definite problem coming down thru.

Perhaps your inborn problem (if that is what it is and it sounds like it

must be) with too high a level of the carnitine has caused the kids to have

an inborn dependency of it if this is possible.??? S.

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>GOLYNIE@... wrote:

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>> The people who produce " Carnitor " (if that is what you are taking) are

>> excelent at answering any questions you might have about their product.

>

>Lynnie,

>

>I am NOT on carnitor of any type. I just had several metabolic labs done

for mitochondrial evaluation and

>the results of the acylcarnitine profile showed high serum levels of total

carnitine, and low urine levels

>of free carnitine, as well as high urine ratio of acylcarnitine to free

carnitine.

>

>This is why I was so surprised. I have seen high serum levels in the girls

when they were treated, but I

>do not take carnitine. I was told that this is apparently seen in folks

with Electron transport problems.

>

>But I find this really unusual considering that Caitlin is deficient and

Genny runs very low normal.

>

>Jeannine

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Lamictal is one of the drugs that have been suggested by two mito specialists

as an appropriate and safe drug for my daughter. Just stay away from the

depakote if you can.

Barbara

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> Thanks Lynnie and everyone else for answering my question on

> medication and mito patients. Do not know of Depakote here. has

> just been put on Lamictal

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Lamictal is one of the drugs that have been suggested by two mito specialists

as an appropriate and safe drug for my daughter. Just stay away from the

depakote if you can.

Barbara

In a message dated 4/15/99 8:40 Eastern Daylight Time, jnrmodels@...

writes:

> Thanks Lynnie and everyone else for answering my question on

> medication and mito patients. Do not know of Depakote here. has

> just been put on Lamictal

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In a message dated 99-04-15 21:55:10 EDT, you write:

<< Lynne,

Isn't it also helpful while on that drug to also prescribe carnitine to help

with the toxicity.

Jeannine >>

Jeannine:

You are right, CArnitor should be given (so says all of Amy's docs...and she

sure purked up with the addition of lg. amounts of Carnitor) Why wouldn't

Carnitor help,though. It is one of at least two gate keepers for chemicals

getting into the mitochondria. Without Carnitor and CoQ-10 the mitochondria

would lock the chemicals from food out! Many of us who have what our

children have should also be on Carnitor!

Lynnie

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Thanks Lynnie and everyone else for answering my question on

medication and mito patients. Do not know of Depakote here. has

just been put on Lamictal and we are decreasing her Epilim gradually and

then her Rivitril and hopefully there will be no hiccups on the way. BFN

Aileen

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Thanks Lynnie and everyone else for answering my question on

medication and mito patients. Do not know of Depakote here. has

just been put on Lamictal and we are decreasing her Epilim gradually and

then her Rivitril and hopefully there will be no hiccups on the way. BFN

Aileen

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Dear Aileen

Do you live in Australia? Depakote IS the same drug as Epilim. So it

is great that you are already reducing it.

Lynne

(Mummy of Angus, 6, oxphos disorder, and Ally, forever 4, in heaven

due to depakote toxicity - living in Brisbane, Australia)

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Author: " Flynn " at SMTPGateway

Date: 16/4/1999 11:27

Thanks Lynnie and everyone else for answering my question on

medication and mito patients. Do not know of Depakote here. has

just been put on Lamictal and we are decreasing her Epilim gradually and

then her Rivitril and hopefully there will be no hiccups on the way. BFN

Aileen

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Dear Aileen

Do you live in Australia? Depakote IS the same drug as Epilim. So it

is great that you are already reducing it.

Lynne

(Mummy of Angus, 6, oxphos disorder, and Ally, forever 4, in heaven

due to depakote toxicity - living in Brisbane, Australia)

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Author: " Flynn " at SMTPGateway

Date: 16/4/1999 11:27

Thanks Lynnie and everyone else for answering my question on

medication and mito patients. Do not know of Depakote here. has

just been put on Lamictal and we are decreasing her Epilim gradually and

then her Rivitril and hopefully there will be no hiccups on the way. BFN

Aileen

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Dear Aileen

Do you live in Australia? Depakote IS the same drug as Epilim. So it

is great that you are already reducing it.

Lynne

(Mummy of Angus, 6, oxphos disorder, and Ally, forever 4, in heaven

due to depakote toxicity - living in Brisbane, Australia)

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Author: " Flynn " at SMTPGateway

Date: 16/4/1999 11:27

Thanks Lynnie and everyone else for answering my question on

medication and mito patients. Do not know of Depakote here. has

just been put on Lamictal and we are decreasing her Epilim gradually and

then her Rivitril and hopefully there will be no hiccups on the way. BFN

Aileen

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Dear Aileen

Forgot to mention (just in case you don't know) that while is

on Epilim she should be having regular liver function tests, at least

monthly.

Lynne

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Author: " Flynn " at SMTPGateway

Date: 16/4/1999 11:27

Thanks Lynnie and everyone else for answering my question on

medication and mito patients. Do not know of Depakote here. has

just been put on Lamictal and we are decreasing her Epilim gradually and

then her Rivitril and hopefully there will be no hiccups on the way. BFN

Aileen

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Dear Aileen

Forgot to mention (just in case you don't know) that while is

on Epilim she should be having regular liver function tests, at least

monthly.

Lynne

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Author: " Flynn " at SMTPGateway

Date: 16/4/1999 11:27

Thanks Lynnie and everyone else for answering my question on

medication and mito patients. Do not know of Depakote here. has

just been put on Lamictal and we are decreasing her Epilim gradually and

then her Rivitril and hopefully there will be no hiccups on the way. BFN

Aileen

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Dear Aileen

Forgot to mention (just in case you don't know) that while is

on Epilim she should be having regular liver function tests, at least

monthly.

Lynne

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Author: " Flynn " at SMTPGateway

Date: 16/4/1999 11:27

Thanks Lynnie and everyone else for answering my question on

medication and mito patients. Do not know of Depakote here. has

just been put on Lamictal and we are decreasing her Epilim gradually and

then her Rivitril and hopefully there will be no hiccups on the way. BFN

Aileen

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In a message dated 99-04-15 23:19:38 EDT, you write:

<< Speaking of carnitine:

I just got my acylcarnitine profile back and the serum carnitine was

high, almost double what it should have been. I am NOT on carnitine.

My urine carnitine was also low. This caused the ratio to be out of

wack as well, but I've never heard of this type of thing.

There were also several levels (acylcarnitines) that were high enough

to be mentioned on the results.

Has anyone else seen these kinds of results? We hear all the time

about deficiency, but I thought that this was pretty strange.

Jeannine >>

Dear Jeannine:

The people who produce " Carnitor " (if that is what you are taking) are

excelent at answering any questions you might have about their product.

They are BY FAR the most personal, and humain of all the corporate entaties I

have ever worked with! I am sure they could answer, if not point you in the

right direction! Their number for medical information is . My

best to you & let me know what they say.

Lynnie

Wife, Mother, Advocate

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Lynne,

Isn't it also helpful while on that drug to also prescribe carnitine to help

with the toxicity.

Jeannine

LynneSeear@... wrote:

> Forgot to mention (just in case you don't know) that while is

> on Epilim she should be having regular liver function tests, at least

> monthly.

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Lynne,

Isn't it also helpful while on that drug to also prescribe carnitine to help

with the toxicity.

Jeannine

LynneSeear@... wrote:

> Forgot to mention (just in case you don't know) that while is

> on Epilim she should be having regular liver function tests, at least

> monthly.

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Lynne,

Isn't it also helpful while on that drug to also prescribe carnitine to help

with the toxicity.

Jeannine

LynneSeear@... wrote:

> Forgot to mention (just in case you don't know) that while is

> on Epilim she should be having regular liver function tests, at least

> monthly.

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Jeannine

Yes you are right about the carnitine. Even though carnitine is now

used regularly as part of the 'mito' cocktail, it is also used in

liver rescue therapies for people in liver failure. So taking

carnitine while on depakote/epilim certainly is a good idea.

Lynne

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Author: Jeannine Sawyer at SMTPGateway

Date: 15/4/1999 20:55

Lynne,

Isn't it also helpful while on that drug to also prescribe carnitine to help

with the toxicity.

Jeannine

LynneSeear@... wrote:

> Forgot to mention (just in case you don't know) that while is

> on Epilim she should be having regular liver function tests, at least

> monthly.

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Speaking of carnitine:

I just got my acylcarnitine profile back and the serum carnitine was

high, almost double what it should have been. I am NOT on carnitine.

My urine carnitine was also low. This caused the ratio to be out of

wack as well, but I've never heard of this type of thing.

There were also several levels (acylcarnitines) that were high enough

to be mentioned on the results.

Has anyone else seen these kinds of results? We hear all the time

about deficiency, but I thought that this was pretty strange.

Jeannine

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Jeannine,

Yes, this is true. When Alison was first placed on Depakote her ammonia

levels went very high, in the 100's. They put her on Carnitine to help

reduce the ammonia levels (which I think are a result of liver function). I

have some literature somewhere on this that I'll dig up and post more if I

can find it!!

Barbara

> Isn't it also helpful while on that drug to also prescribe carnitine to

help

> with the toxicity.

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GOLYNIE@... wrote:

> The people who produce " Carnitor " (if that is what you are taking) are

> excelent at answering any questions you might have about their product.

Lynnie,

I am NOT on carnitor of any type. I just had several metabolic labs done for

mitochondrial evaluation and

the results of the acylcarnitine profile showed high serum levels of total

carnitine, and low urine levels

of free carnitine, as well as high urine ratio of acylcarnitine to free

carnitine.

This is why I was so surprised. I have seen high serum levels in the girls when

they were treated, but I

do not take carnitine. I was told that this is apparently seen in folks with

Electron transport problems.

But I find this really unusual considering that Caitlin is deficient and Genny

runs very low normal.

Jeannine

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