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Cheri, the head banging thing is so classical ADHD also. I'm sure it happens

with other problems too, but I remember that being a big issue at on of the

ADHD seminars I went to, as well as flat shaking and rocking their cribs

across the floor.

How many rockers do we have in this group? My oldest daughter jumped so hard

in her infant jumper she sheared the big spring in half and then rocked so

much and so hard she ruined the backs on 2-3 sofa's and then went thru

several rockers!

I just remembered too that Clay my oldest son and Tylynn my grandson who

have so many thinking problems were the feet kids. It was like their hands

weren't there, they used their feet for everything.

S.

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>>It has also helped his PDD/autistic behaviors (he is

>>not autistic - just has lots of the behaviors) although he still likes

>>to

>>hit, bang his head against the crib

>

> used to bang his head on " whatever " he was next to when younger. I

used

>to be concerned about that not only form a cognitive perspective, but also

>because he has a VP shunt. He gradually outgrew it and I was never offered

>any reason as to why he did it, even though I inquired numerous times.

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>Cheri

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I used to bang my head. From an infant up to second grade. My mom was

always getting evil looks from folks, because once in a while, I had black

and blue marks all over my noggin. She couldn't believe that I banged it

against the wood cradle at just a few months old - I'd smash my way through

any blankets she'd put up to protect me.

I was no. 6 of 7 kids and at one point I slept on a cot with wheels. I

would bang my head on the wall. More than once I remember waking up a few

feet away from the wall. In second grade my parents got me a cute yellow

bed with a glass head board. They and all my older brothers and sisters

told me, if I banged the glass with my head, I would bleed. Actually I think

my siblings liked telling me horror stories of what would happen to my head

if I banged it on the new head board. Guess what, I stopped banging.

My mom told me I was only baby she had that didn't like to be held and

cuddled. She said it broke her heart, I would twist and pull away from her

touch. I think the banging and rocking was my way of getting the

stimulation all infants need. Ever see those poor little Romanian infants

in orphanages...they rock and sway back & forth? It wasn't my mom's fought,

I just didn't want to be held.

The fact is I have very sensitive skin...even to this day I can not tolerate

certain fabrics, lose hairs, etc. touching me...my husband claims he married

the princess from the princess and the pea...I can feel anything. But

really it's not that bad, I did have a problem learning to read, but other

than that I turned out okay...I graduated from college with honors and I am

happily married in ALL ways.

Oh well, I just thought I'd share with you that maybe head banging is not

all that uncommon.

Amy (mom to the younger, possible mito, developmental delay,

microcepaly, bladder reflux to kidney, GI reflux and GI delay in emptying,

CVI, and the best smile and giggle)

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>From: Cheri77777@...

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>

>

>

>>It has also helped his PDD/autistic behaviors (he is

>>not autistic - just has lots of the behaviors) although he still likes

>>to

>>hit, bang his head against the crib

>

> used to bang his head on " whatever " he was next to when younger. I

used

>to be concerned about that not only form a cognitive perspective, but also

>because he has a VP shunt. He gradually outgrew it and I was never offered

>any reason as to why he did it, even though I inquired numerous times.

>

>Cheri

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Amy, , my rocker was the same way as you with not wanting me to hold

or touch her, and she still is standoffish and complains if you chew by her

or make an odd noise, very irritable and picky (not that you are). In fact

as she got older she would rock like a mad person when she needed to be

hugged or talk but refused either. I don't remember her banging her head but

some of the boys in our family like to butt heads like goats and they hit

hard and laugh! It scares me, but there skulls seem so hard and thick.

S.

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>>From: Cheri77777@...

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>It has also helped his PDD/autistic behaviors (he is

>>>not autistic - just has lots of the behaviors) although he still likes

>>>to

>>>hit, bang his head against the crib

>>

>> used to bang his head on " whatever " he was next to when younger. I

>used

>>to be concerned about that not only form a cognitive perspective, but also

>>because he has a VP shunt. He gradually outgrew it and I was never

offered

>>any reason as to why he did it, even though I inquired numerous times.

>>

>>Cheri

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While none of this is funny one of my daughters now (35) rocked so hard

the crib moved across the room every night. We finally put her in a bed

at 18 months because we couldn't stop her.

Then thru the years she would rock back and forth. Around 17 or 18

years old I learn about autism having different degrees and thought

maybe she had that. She is definately ADHD

She has grown up to be a fine young lady but not without a few problems.

I went thru two cribs, 3 playpens, you name it. She was the only one of

my 4 that I had these kinds of problems with. Two of the other have

ADHD also and take medication. My son 36 and daughter 28. It has been

a life saver for them.

Since I have learned more about mito and of course Matty bringing

everything to the four front we know it is mito, mito, mito. Alyce with

seizures (no one understood) since birth and she is Mattys mom, and

youngest daughter also born with a cleft palate and deaf in one ear. I

could go on and on but it was funny all the baby stuff I went thru with

Theresa. Your post struck a funny cord. By way of encouragement my

children have grown up to be responsible and loving adults with all of

their handicapps. I can't take credit they just did.

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Amy,

Are you my Theresa? Yes she did all the same thing. And to some degree

so does her brother and sisters even now. I am always cutting tags off

of clothes. One grandson Mattys brother has to wear his socks inside

out in order to not feel the seam. I can't tell you the time we have

spent trying to find socks for a 5 year old without seams across the

toes. If you barely touch theresa " s skin you would think we hit her

with a baseball bat. Thank goodness we all understand and just laugh at

her. My 28 year old has a terrible time with bras some little scraty

thing that drives her nuts on every kind there is. Sometimes the

smallest thing can drive you crazy.....I think what has helped in my

family is accepting ourselves and not taking these things to seriously

and just saying Oh well, and doing the best they can to work around

these odd things like skin sensitivies.

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>We finally put her in a bed

>at 18 months because we couldn't stop her.

>Then thru the years she would rock back and forth. Around 17 or 18

>years old I learn about autism having different degrees and thought

>maybe she had that. She is definately ADHD

I have seen lots of children do what you and speak of, but what you are

describing is rocking, and what did was to bang his head. He was not

strong enough to rock, but would lay on the floor and bang his head up and

down. This is not something you want to see in a child with a shunt in his

head! I have since wondered if there was some sort of abnormal brain

sensation, since I now have abnormal brain sensations and I often tap my head

with my hands, I think in an attempt to divert my attention from the

uncomfortable sensations. Of course, I will never know why he did this.

Cheri

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>We finally put her in a bed

>at 18 months because we couldn't stop her.

>Then thru the years she would rock back and forth. Around 17 or 18

>years old I learn about autism having different degrees and thought

>maybe she had that. She is definately ADHD

I have seen lots of children do what you and speak of, but what you are

describing is rocking, and what did was to bang his head. He was not

strong enough to rock, but would lay on the floor and bang his head up and

down. This is not something you want to see in a child with a shunt in his

head! I have since wondered if there was some sort of abnormal brain

sensation, since I now have abnormal brain sensations and I often tap my head

with my hands, I think in an attempt to divert my attention from the

uncomfortable sensations. Of course, I will never know why he did this.

Cheri

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, thank you for sharing this. is also the only 1 of my 4 who

did the rocking thing and she has some cognitive problems. It is she who was

preg out of wedlock, married a violently abusive man & had another son, left

him and married a crack cocaine addict & had another son and a daughter by

him. It is the 1st of her 2 sons I am raising. She is now 28 and with the

2nd man who is always in law trouble, pretty much traded the drugs for

alcohol, but is so good (has all his own problems) in many ways. You may

think we're weird but we love/hate Steve-perhaps many of you will understand

this exactly and have been thru similar scenarios.

is going to a business college training to be a medical aide. They do

their best with the 2 they have and try to do what they can for these 2 boys

but she is a very inward-directed person, memory problems galore, etc. She

struggles but is so independent and like I said wouldn't let anyone near her

physically or emotionally. It is like she is determined to stand alone or

fall-period. Yet she is the most generous, intuitive with others, has the

ptosis. heart issues, anemia iron doesn't fix...........How I hate this

disease which worst of all it seems almost impossible to diagnose and harder

yet to treat with no one outside understanding but misjudging and condeming-

never mind, I won't get on my soapbox. S.

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While none of this is funny one of my daughters now (35) rocked so hard

the crib moved across the room every night. We finally put her in a bed

at 18 months because we couldn't stop her.

Then thru the years she would rock back and forth. Around 17 or 18

years old I learn about autism having different degrees and thought

maybe she had that. She is definately ADHD

She has grown up to be a fine young lady but not without a few problems.

I went thru two cribs, 3 playpens, you name it. She was the only one of

my 4 that I had these kinds of problems with. Two of the other have

ADHD also and take medication. My son 36 and daughter 28. It has been

a life saver for them.

Since I have learned more about mito and of course Matty bringing

everything to the four front we know it is mito, mito, mito. Alyce with

seizures (no one understood) since birth and she is Mattys mom, and

youngest daughter also born with a cleft palate and deaf in one ear. I

could go on and on but it was funny all the baby stuff I went thru with

Theresa. Your post struck a funny cord. By way of encouragement my

children have grown up to be responsible and loving adults with all of

their handicapps. I can't take credit they just did.

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OH, , what a good idea wearing the socks inside out, we will try that

with Jordan! S.

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Amy,

Are you my Theresa? Yes she did all the same thing. And to some degree

so does her brother and sisters even now. I am always cutting tags off

of clothes. One grandson Mattys brother has to wear his socks inside

out in order to not feel the seam. I can't tell you the time we have

spent trying to find socks for a 5 year old without seams across the

toes. If you barely touch theresa " s skin you would think we hit her

with a baseball bat. Thank goodness we all understand and just laugh at

her. My 28 year old has a terrible time with bras some little scraty

thing that drives her nuts on every kind there is. Sometimes the

smallest thing can drive you crazy.....I think what has helped in my

family is accepting ourselves and not taking these things to seriously

and just saying Oh well, and doing the best they can to work around

these odd things like skin sensitivies.

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well it is a hard row to go but understanding goes a long way. Theresa

now has serious diabetes . Still doesn't like to be touched and very

sensitive to what she calls painful (we all shake our heads) At 16 years

a doctor told me she was like swiss cheese. Some really great hard

places and then all of a sudden you fall thru a hole.

I regret some of the discipline she had. I am sure most of the time she

didn't even know why she was getting it. Can verbalize a little better

in trying to explain how she feels. Today she said she was fighting

with herself in that her mood swings can be odd. What is great is that

her character is taking over at moments when she wants to be mean . I

am afraid she is developing some serious problems and Iam going with her

to a doctors visit on the 22nd. I'll be explaining about Matty and

hopefully this doctor will be able to treat Theresa better with more

family information..I will go with my trusty file.

When she started telling me all her symptoms I asked her if she was

listening to herself and didn't she think they sounded exactly like

Mattys. She got real quiet and said ya I guess your right. And then

she said she was scared.

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You are correct Cheri. S.

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>From: Cheri77777@...

>

>

>

>

>>We finally put her in a bed

>>at 18 months because we couldn't stop her.

>>Then thru the years she would rock back and forth. Around 17 or 18

>>years old I learn about autism having different degrees and thought

>>maybe she had that. She is definately ADHD

>

>

>I have seen lots of children do what you and speak of, but what you

are

>describing is rocking, and what did was to bang his head. He was not

>strong enough to rock, but would lay on the floor and bang his head up and

>down. This is not something you want to see in a child with a shunt in his

>head! I have since wondered if there was some sort of abnormal brain

>sensation, since I now have abnormal brain sensations and I often tap my

head

>with my hands, I think in an attempt to divert my attention from the

>uncomfortable sensations. Of course, I will never know why he did this.

>

>Cheri

>

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You are correct Cheri. S.

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>From: Cheri77777@...

>

>

>

>

>>We finally put her in a bed

>>at 18 months because we couldn't stop her.

>>Then thru the years she would rock back and forth. Around 17 or 18

>>years old I learn about autism having different degrees and thought

>>maybe she had that. She is definately ADHD

>

>

>I have seen lots of children do what you and speak of, but what you

are

>describing is rocking, and what did was to bang his head. He was not

>strong enough to rock, but would lay on the floor and bang his head up and

>down. This is not something you want to see in a child with a shunt in his

>head! I have since wondered if there was some sort of abnormal brain

>sensation, since I now have abnormal brain sensations and I often tap my

head

>with my hands, I think in an attempt to divert my attention from the

>uncomfortable sensations. Of course, I will never know why he did this.

>

>Cheri

>

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Oh, , I'm glad you are going with your daughter and best of luck. I'm

glad she is listening to you and trying to get help. S.

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well it is a hard row to go but understanding goes a long way. Theresa

now has serious diabetes . Still doesn't like to be touched and very

sensitive to what she calls painful (we all shake our heads) At 16 years

a doctor told me she was like swiss cheese. Some really great hard

places and then all of a sudden you fall thru a hole.

I regret some of the discipline she had. I am sure most of the time she

didn't even know why she was getting it. Can verbalize a little better

in trying to explain how she feels. Today she said she was fighting

with herself in that her mood swings can be odd. What is great is that

her character is taking over at moments when she wants to be mean . I

am afraid she is developing some serious problems and Iam going with her

to a doctors visit on the 22nd. I'll be explaining about Matty and

hopefully this doctor will be able to treat Theresa better with more

family information..I will go with my trusty file.

When she started telling me all her symptoms I asked her if she was

listening to herself and didn't she think they sounded exactly like

Mattys. She got real quiet and said ya I guess your right. And then

she said she was scared.

I am too...

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Oh, , I'm glad you are going with your daughter and best of luck. I'm

glad she is listening to you and trying to get help. S.

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From: mprosser@... ( Prosser)

well it is a hard row to go but understanding goes a long way. Theresa

now has serious diabetes . Still doesn't like to be touched and very

sensitive to what she calls painful (we all shake our heads) At 16 years

a doctor told me she was like swiss cheese. Some really great hard

places and then all of a sudden you fall thru a hole.

I regret some of the discipline she had. I am sure most of the time she

didn't even know why she was getting it. Can verbalize a little better

in trying to explain how she feels. Today she said she was fighting

with herself in that her mood swings can be odd. What is great is that

her character is taking over at moments when she wants to be mean . I

am afraid she is developing some serious problems and Iam going with her

to a doctors visit on the 22nd. I'll be explaining about Matty and

hopefully this doctor will be able to treat Theresa better with more

family information..I will go with my trusty file.

When she started telling me all her symptoms I asked her if she was

listening to herself and didn't she think they sounded exactly like

Mattys. She got real quiet and said ya I guess your right. And then

she said she was scared.

I am too...

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Oh, , I'm glad you are going with your daughter and best of luck. I'm

glad she is listening to you and trying to get help. S.

Re: head banging

From: mprosser@... ( Prosser)

well it is a hard row to go but understanding goes a long way. Theresa

now has serious diabetes . Still doesn't like to be touched and very

sensitive to what she calls painful (we all shake our heads) At 16 years

a doctor told me she was like swiss cheese. Some really great hard

places and then all of a sudden you fall thru a hole.

I regret some of the discipline she had. I am sure most of the time she

didn't even know why she was getting it. Can verbalize a little better

in trying to explain how she feels. Today she said she was fighting

with herself in that her mood swings can be odd. What is great is that

her character is taking over at moments when she wants to be mean . I

am afraid she is developing some serious problems and Iam going with her

to a doctors visit on the 22nd. I'll be explaining about Matty and

hopefully this doctor will be able to treat Theresa better with more

family information..I will go with my trusty file.

When she started telling me all her symptoms I asked her if she was

listening to herself and didn't she think they sounded exactly like

Mattys. She got real quiet and said ya I guess your right. And then

she said she was scared.

I am too...

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Could you explain why they would have you do this brush thing? S.

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We have been doing alot for 's tactile defensiveness. His OT

started us on the brushing program, which is where you use a surgical

scrub brush all over the body (except face and belly) you push hard

enough that i doesn't tickle. resisted it at first, but now when I

do it, he puts his arm out to " help " me. We also do joint compression,

which he could care less for. I'm not sure who I was writing this to (I

got lost in all of the replys) but hope it helps!

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Could you explain why they would have you do this brush thing? S.

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From: nmnett@... (nicole nett)

We have been doing alot for 's tactile defensiveness. His OT

started us on the brushing program, which is where you use a surgical

scrub brush all over the body (except face and belly) you push hard

enough that i doesn't tickle. resisted it at first, but now when I

do it, he puts his arm out to " help " me. We also do joint compression,

which he could care less for. I'm not sure who I was writing this to (I

got lost in all of the replys) but hope it helps!

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Could you explain why they would have you do this brush thing? S.

Re: head banging

From: nmnett@... (nicole nett)

We have been doing alot for 's tactile defensiveness. His OT

started us on the brushing program, which is where you use a surgical

scrub brush all over the body (except face and belly) you push hard

enough that i doesn't tickle. resisted it at first, but now when I

do it, he puts his arm out to " help " me. We also do joint compression,

which he could care less for. I'm not sure who I was writing this to (I

got lost in all of the replys) but hope it helps!

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What you are describing is tactile defensiveness. It is a neurological disorder.

I don't know how much it

would help an adult, but sensory motor integration therapy for kids can be

extremely helpful. It made a

world of difference for my son.

Laurie

> Are you my Theresa? Yes she did all the same thing. And to some degree

> so does her brother and sisters even now. I am always cutting tags off

> of clothes. One grandson Mattys brother has to wear his socks inside

> out in order to not feel the seam. I can't tell you the time we have

> spent trying to find socks for a 5 year old without seams across the

> toes. If you barely touch theresa " s skin you would think we hit her

> with a baseball bat. Thank goodness we all understand and just laugh at

> her. My 28 year old has a terrible time with bras some little scraty

> thing that drives her nuts on every kind there is. Sometimes the

> smallest thing can drive you crazy.....I think what has helped in my

> family is accepting ourselves and not taking these things to seriously

> and just saying Oh well, and doing the best they can to work around

> these odd things like skin sensitivies.

>

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At least I do not feel alone anymore with Clayton banging his head. Thanks

guys.

Love,

Sharon and her boys - Jake (6), Cole (2) and Clayton (2 - and mito, etc.)

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Tactile defensiveness is a neurological problem. The brain doesn't

interpret tactile information properly. For my son, having air hit his

arms when wearing short sleeve shirts was interpreted as painful. He

could not tolerate tactile input at all. When someone has this kind of

problem, therapy can be done to help the brain to mature and be able to

appropriately interpret the input. The brushing is one of the therapies

for this. It is done in a specific manner with a specific find of brush.

To be really beneficial, it needs to be done every couple of hours. Part

of the same therapy is cocontration of the joints. Again, this is a

specific way to have the brain recongnize the joints. Jumping causes

cocontration of the leg joints. This is all part of sensory motor

integration therapy and is usually done by an OT or PT. The parents are

usually taught how to do the brushing and cocontration, so it can be

done on a regular schedule at home. The school I worked in provided this

every two hours for two students who were extreme tactile defensiveness.

Laurie

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