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Gang, bear with me while I resend some old posts of mine. I've had some problems with the egroups lists - found out I was subscribed under my old email address after trying to fix some other problems - so now I'm back on under my current email only. What a way to spend the holiday weekend!!!

Jan

Subject: Saving AA Members,I appreciated your response to 's query. you are right. It's onething for us on this list to let it all out - cynical sarcasticobservances,humor - on this list. It's a good place to organize the facts forourselvesabout AA. But I'd feel as crazy as the members if I started getting on asoapbox and preaching the evils of AA and evangelizing to save souls fromit's clutches. On a day-to-day level, probably the best 'evangelizing' wecan do is go on with our lives and interests and responsibilities, grow upand quit whining like the members do. Show them you can work and enjoy lifeand get through the bumpy spots without meetings. However, to the oneswhoare active in court related cases against AA, or not forcing young kids tosubmit to acupuncture against their will, or have worked hard on a certainweb site, I see in that civic caring but without the preachiness.JanOK - I got a good baseball (softball) story for you. I worked for alarge company about 10 years ago in the now famous town of Littleton,Colorado and we had a girls softball team. I'd never played for real in mylife, just picnic type games. I'm a damn good hitter but can't field wortha darn but we all had our weaknesses and had a lot of fun. I was scared ofcatching fly balls and my fella at the time would take me out on Sundaysandhit them to me over and over till I got thought I had gotten over it.Well, one evening we had a game and before it started some of us (myselfincluded) had a shot and a beer and then Coach told us to get out on thefield for some practice. I'm in left field and he hits a fly ball to meandI freeze or something and it goes between my glove and hand and hits meright in the mouth. Split my lip, blood all over the place. Amazingly,itdidn't knock me out and I guess because of the shock I didn't feel any paineither. The team decided I needed to go to the hospital and one of thegalssaid there's one nearby so she took me. It was called Columbine Hospitaland she was worried because she couldn't find the emergency room area. Sowe walked in the front door. Stopped at the reception desk where a guardwas enjoying his Mexican dinner till he saw me with blood all over my face,team uniform and the towel I was dabbing my mouth with. We asked for theemergency room and he said we don't have an emergency room, this is apsychiatric hospital. (Found out later the patients were mostly richLittleton girls suffering from bulimia and anorexia.) Eventually we got toa REAL hospital, where a dental surgeon wired my front teeth. They werepushed towards the roof of my mouth. Spent the next 5 years getting rootcanals and crownwork on those teeth. Thank God for dental insurance.Have no desire to ever play again! But I discovered the greatest weightloss program because of it. My teeth were wired for a month and all Icouldeat was soup and baby food. Lost about 20 pounds.Jan

(This next one is outdated considered left but I'll resend it anyway - it's part of MY story - Apple feel free to use it on Deprogramming)

Hi ,Glad you let it out and we really do understand. Unless you spend all yourfree time and various and sundry meetings around the area, you will neverbegetting enough meetings, to them. I'd drive myself bonkers trying tobalance meetings and things that I had to get done. I was a stay at homemom, but also did the books, paperwork, payroll, tax work for my husband'sbusiness and answer the phone for it and run the errands - it was almost afull-time job. By the end of the day I was tired. People would say - gotoa meeting during the day. The only one I could go to would take 2 hoursoutof the day at the least. It made me resentful of them. I got so tired ofhaving to explain why I hadn't been to a certain meeting lately. Finally,when someone would say "I haven't seen you at any meetings lately" I'd say"Well, I haven't seen you at any either" After a while I got tired ofhearing about how AA members were somehow different and special and a cutabove everyone else on earth because they had this Program especially whenIcould see the hypocritical actions of some of the members. And so whenthey'd excuse themselves for hurtful actions by saying it didn't matterbecause they hadn't had a drink that day, my inner thoughts started saying"horse shit to you jerk" Also, being married to an AAer who people oohedand ahhed at when he spoke at meetings and then would come home andbelittleand insult me and treat me like he hated my guts, made me dislike theorganization more and more. I happened to browse the Web of Addictionssiteand was led to this email list. Until I did I felt so alone because itseemed like I didn't have anyone to talk to about my doubts about AA. If Ideviated from the slogans and thought for myself, I was somewhatreprimandedby being shunned. I thought I was the only one who saw "the emperor's newclothes" for what they really were. As time has gone on, I've had mythoughts confirmed by what others have said on this list and also, (and Ihope you find this true too, ) I've run into people who have stoppedgoing to AA meetings and express the same feelings about the program I do.Good luck and try not to beat yourself up too much about not wanting theprogram.JanHey Joe, if I send my picture in, I'm gonna pose with a bottle of Jacks!JanI've heard the name 'Father Coughlin'. What's his story? Did I hear ofhimthrough AA?JanSubject: Re: Re: Evolutionary psych.Isn't "Up With People" a group of squeaky clean guys and gals who used tosing and dance at the Super Bowl Halftime Shows?JanSubject: Re: Hello .Ya Bjorn, ees gut!Yan> Hello .>>>Greetings from Denmark!hink I ought to mention my origin although tells me my accent>disclose me anyway.>>Bjørn ps. >what do you think of my accent?>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------

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