Re: Missing In action(sorry long)

[Guest guest]

Welcome

back, Jewel!!!!

It's a b***ch to figure all of this out, with our bodies all so different

it's hard to come up with one pat answer, but you stuck to it and did

your research, asked questions and didnt' give up!!!!

Never, never be afraid to ask. With all the great people here someone has

most likely been through the same thing...... They'll be able to let you

know what they tried and how it all turned out.... Half the battle is in

the knowing you are not alone.... The other half is hanging in long

enough for you body to be able to start fixing things.... I believe that

your itching is a sign that your body is working hard, like mine, and

then you're on the road....

I'm so happy for you.....

Can't wait until you get going on a new book by the way!!!!

Hey guys... you have to check out this lady's books... She has three of

them published and for sale... I've read them and they are fantastic!!!!!

Topper ()

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:19:47 -0000 " Jewel Dartt "

writes:

> Hi all

> just an update to let you know that after my first disaster with

> Armour a few months ago. I started back on the dreaded t4 and felt

> like hell and wanted to just give up, sunk into depression, thinking

< snip >

[Guest guest]

JEWEL!!! I am SO SO excited for you!! What a wonderful post. I'm

glad you brought up the red palms. You are such a hope for others

who struggle, because you have certainly struggled......and are

winning the fight!! BTW, when you say Cortisol, which brand/kind??

How much??

Janie

>>I have been able to get to 60 mgs of Armour in 3 divided

> doses(due to no thyroid fuction this works for me) within a month.

> And then a couple of days ago was able to up to 90 mgs.

[Guest guest]

> JEWEL!!! I am SO SO excited for you!! What a wonderful post. I'm

> glad you brought up the red palms. You are such a hope for others

> who struggle, because you have certainly struggled......and are

> winning the fight!! BTW, when you say Cortisol, which brand/kind??

> How much??

>

> Janie, Thank you!!! I wonder why nobody else has ever brought up

the red palms and finger pads when they start Armour and have a

problem with taking even a small dose? Unless it's just me on this

list? Anyway, I found the answer, corrected it, and will win this

fight yet:}

It has been a struggle and I still have a ways to go yet.

I'm waiting on an order of cortef from Masters marketing, but have

been taking between 2- 5 mgs of predisone I already have on hand

because of dh flareups of RA. Started out at 2mgs. Now at 5mgs. 5mgs

of predisone equals 20 mgs of cortef. I really don't like taking

steriods, but if not, I couldn't have started back on Armour. Soon as

cortef comes in, I'll start on that and hopefully will be able to

move on to a natural support in time.

It works for me and that is all I know:}At least I can take Armour

now without feeling like my heart is going to beat out of my chest! I

do hope this helps someone who may find they have the same problem

taking armour and develop the red palms and fingers.

Take care

Jewel

http://www.geocities.com/jkdartt/

[Guest guest]

Hey , do you remember about where you found this red palm thing because I have

red palms?

Missing In action(sorry long)

Hi all

just an update to let you know that after my first disaster with

Armour a few months ago. I started back on the dreaded t4 and felt

like hell and wanted to just give up, sunk into depression, thinking

there was no hope left. Then I struggled up somehow and decided I

would try and find a way I could take Armour no matter what a doctor

who had no proof... no tests, said about my heart.

I started reading all the posts from the very beginning of this

group, wow! a lot of reading.

But in doing so I found a link that convinced me that a couple of you

who were pushing adrenal meds were right! The tip-off: my hands(palms

and fingers were very red while on Armour. I had no idea this was a

link to adrenals needing help, first time I had ever seen this

mentioned!

The other symptoms always mentioned were so mixed they could have

been from hypo...except for the hands. I had never read anywhere that

while on Armour anybody had developed red palms and finger pads. I

thought it was an over load from armour causing it.

Okay, so I started taking cortisone 5 mgs a day and since I still had

a bottle of some 1/4 grain chips of armour left. Not a lot but enough

to experiment with. I started taking them, with the help of the

cortisone, I have been able to get to 60 mgs of Armour in 3 divided

doses(due to no thyroid fuction this works for me) within a month.

And then a couple of days ago was able to up to 90 mgs. I knew I

needed that big of a boost and it has helped even more! So far no

palps... over stimulation or any of the problems I had before. I

started taking my temp to see what was happening and even with going

to 90mg. I'm still not optimal yet. but will remain at this doseage

for awhile, so my body can adjust.

I'm getting there, my friends.

My palms are losing the redness. And except for the itches from dry

skin I have been having to scrub off my body... not to mention being

very careful, because I keep overdoing it, because I feel so much

better! I feel like even though I may have a while yet to get to

where I need to and get my body and mind back...

I NOW HAVE HOPE!!!!(sorry for shouting:)You can't beleive... no... I

take that back, I know you know how exciting it is to know you are

going to get your life back. The hard part is allowing the healing

not to be hampered, by to much actitivy, but still do enough to jump

start the body and mind again.

I had to hurry and order a bottle of Armour from England and I am a

little worried I will run out before it gets here, but hoping I won't

because that would suck big time. They mailed it on the 15, so I am

on pins and needles worrying if I have enough.

Lol...a month ago I was selling off the three bottles I had and now

I'm hoping I get another bottle in before what I have runs out:]What

irony!

I plan to order extra bottles if I have to order a bottle a week so I

have plenty as budget allows:]I hate the price but with no insurance

and no doctor that would prescibe it anyway. Well you do what you

have to do.

I still am reading through the back log!!! you people write a

lot..lol, and still healing.

I can't begin to tell all of you how happy I am at the thought of

possibly being well enough to go to my daughter's wedding in the

spring in Fla. I haven't been out of the state in years!

I want to thank you Janie for this list and the ones on here who kept

insisting about adrenals and iron levels. The right supplements( what

a wealth of information)(You know who you are:}

If not for that one link about the hands... I would never had tried

Armour again. I shudder when I think about how I just gave up.

Also Topper, if not for you and your e-mail to my questions the other

day when I freaked out thinking the itching was from being allegic to

armour, afraid once again, I was going to have to go back into that

dark hole again. I don't know what I would have done...

Sorry for the long post... being a writer, just can't help it..lol.

Just wanted to update and let all of you know:]

Take care

Jewel Dartt

http://www.geocities.com/jkdartt/

[Guest guest]

Hey , do you remember about where you found this red palm thing because I have

red palms?

Missing In action(sorry long)

Hi all

just an update to let you know that after my first disaster with

Armour a few months ago. I started back on the dreaded t4 and felt

like hell and wanted to just give up, sunk into depression, thinking

there was no hope left. Then I struggled up somehow and decided I

would try and find a way I could take Armour no matter what a doctor

who had no proof... no tests, said about my heart.

I started reading all the posts from the very beginning of this

group, wow! a lot of reading.

But in doing so I found a link that convinced me that a couple of you

who were pushing adrenal meds were right! The tip-off: my hands(palms

and fingers were very red while on Armour. I had no idea this was a

link to adrenals needing help, first time I had ever seen this

mentioned!

The other symptoms always mentioned were so mixed they could have

been from hypo...except for the hands. I had never read anywhere that

while on Armour anybody had developed red palms and finger pads. I

thought it was an over load from armour causing it.

Okay, so I started taking cortisone 5 mgs a day and since I still had

a bottle of some 1/4 grain chips of armour left. Not a lot but enough

to experiment with. I started taking them, with the help of the

cortisone, I have been able to get to 60 mgs of Armour in 3 divided

doses(due to no thyroid fuction this works for me) within a month.

And then a couple of days ago was able to up to 90 mgs. I knew I

needed that big of a boost and it has helped even more! So far no

palps... over stimulation or any of the problems I had before. I

started taking my temp to see what was happening and even with going

to 90mg. I'm still not optimal yet. but will remain at this doseage

for awhile, so my body can adjust.

I'm getting there, my friends.

My palms are losing the redness. And except for the itches from dry

skin I have been having to scrub off my body... not to mention being

very careful, because I keep overdoing it, because I feel so much

better! I feel like even though I may have a while yet to get to

where I need to and get my body and mind back...

I NOW HAVE HOPE!!!!(sorry for shouting:)You can't beleive... no... I

take that back, I know you know how exciting it is to know you are

going to get your life back. The hard part is allowing the healing

not to be hampered, by to much actitivy, but still do enough to jump

start the body and mind again.

I had to hurry and order a bottle of Armour from England and I am a

little worried I will run out before it gets here, but hoping I won't

because that would suck big time. They mailed it on the 15, so I am

on pins and needles worrying if I have enough.

Lol...a month ago I was selling off the three bottles I had and now

I'm hoping I get another bottle in before what I have runs out:]What

irony!

I plan to order extra bottles if I have to order a bottle a week so I

have plenty as budget allows:]I hate the price but with no insurance

and no doctor that would prescibe it anyway. Well you do what you

have to do.

I still am reading through the back log!!! you people write a

lot..lol, and still healing.

I can't begin to tell all of you how happy I am at the thought of

possibly being well enough to go to my daughter's wedding in the

spring in Fla. I haven't been out of the state in years!

I want to thank you Janie for this list and the ones on here who kept

insisting about adrenals and iron levels. The right supplements( what

a wealth of information)(You know who you are:}

If not for that one link about the hands... I would never had tried

Armour again. I shudder when I think about how I just gave up.

Also Topper, if not for you and your e-mail to my questions the other

day when I freaked out thinking the itching was from being allegic to

armour, afraid once again, I was going to have to go back into that

dark hole again. I don't know what I would have done...

Sorry for the long post... being a writer, just can't help it..lol.

Just wanted to update and let all of you know:]

Take care

Jewel Dartt

http://www.geocities.com/jkdartt/

[Guest guest]

Mine are beet red like I slapped something

Missing In action(sorry long)

Hi all

just an update to let you know that after my first disaster with

Armour a few months ago. I started back on the dreaded t4 and felt

like hell and wanted to just give up, sunk into depression, thinking

there was no hope left. Then I struggled up somehow and decided I

would try and find a way I could take Armour no matter what a doctor

who had no proof... no tests, said about my heart.

I started reading all the posts from the very beginning of this

group, wow! a lot of reading.

But in doing so I found a link that convinced me that a couple of you

who were pushing adrenal meds were right! The tip-off: my hands(palms

and fingers were very red while on Armour. I had no idea this was a

link to adrenals needing help, first time I had ever seen this

mentioned!

The other symptoms always mentioned were so mixed they could have

been from hypo...except for the hands. I had never read anywhere that

while on Armour anybody had developed red palms and finger pads. I

thought it was an over load from armour causing it.

Okay, so I started taking cortisone 5 mgs a day and since I still had

a bottle of some 1/4 grain chips of armour left. Not a lot but enough

to experiment with. I started taking them, with the help of the

cortisone, I have been able to get to 60 mgs of Armour in 3 divided

doses(due to no thyroid fuction this works for me) within a month.

And then a couple of days ago was able to up to 90 mgs. I knew I

needed that big of a boost and it has helped even more! So far no

palps... over stimulation or any of the problems I had before. I

started taking my temp to see what was happening and even with going

to 90mg. I'm still not optimal yet. but will remain at this doseage

for awhile, so my body can adjust.

I'm getting there, my friends.

My palms are losing the redness. And except for the itches from dry

skin I have been having to scrub off my body... not to mention being

very careful, because I keep overdoing it, because I feel so much

better! I feel like even though I may have a while yet to get to

where I need to and get my body and mind back...

I NOW HAVE HOPE!!!!(sorry for shouting:)You can't beleive... no... I

take that back, I know you know how exciting it is to know you are

going to get your life back. The hard part is allowing the healing

not to be hampered, by to much actitivy, but still do enough to jump

start the body and mind again.

I had to hurry and order a bottle of Armour from England and I am a

little worried I will run out before it gets here, but hoping I won't

because that would suck big time. They mailed it on the 15, so I am

on pins and needles worrying if I have enough.

Lol...a month ago I was selling off the three bottles I had and now

I'm hoping I get another bottle in before what I have runs out:]What

irony!

I plan to order extra bottles if I have to order a bottle a week so I

have plenty as budget allows:]I hate the price but with no insurance

and no doctor that would prescibe it anyway. Well you do what you

have to do.

I still am reading through the back log!!! you people write a

lot..lol, and still healing.

I can't begin to tell all of you how happy I am at the thought of

possibly being well enough to go to my daughter's wedding in the

spring in Fla. I haven't been out of the state in years!

I want to thank you Janie for this list and the ones on here who kept

insisting about adrenals and iron levels. The right supplements( what

a wealth of information)(You know who you are:}

If not for that one link about the hands... I would never had tried

Armour again. I shudder when I think about how I just gave up.

Also Topper, if not for you and your e-mail to my questions the other

day when I freaked out thinking the itching was from being allegic to

armour, afraid once again, I was going to have to go back into that

dark hole again. I don't know what I would have done...

Sorry for the long post... being a writer, just can't help it..lol.

Just wanted to update and let all of you know:]

Take care

Jewel Dartt

http://www.geocities.com/jkdartt/

[Guest guest]

Mine are beet red like I slapped something

Missing In action(sorry long)

Hi all

just an update to let you know that after my first disaster with

Armour a few months ago. I started back on the dreaded t4 and felt

like hell and wanted to just give up, sunk into depression, thinking

there was no hope left. Then I struggled up somehow and decided I

would try and find a way I could take Armour no matter what a doctor

who had no proof... no tests, said about my heart.

I started reading all the posts from the very beginning of this

group, wow! a lot of reading.

But in doing so I found a link that convinced me that a couple of you

who were pushing adrenal meds were right! The tip-off: my hands(palms

and fingers were very red while on Armour. I had no idea this was a

link to adrenals needing help, first time I had ever seen this

mentioned!

The other symptoms always mentioned were so mixed they could have

been from hypo...except for the hands. I had never read anywhere that

while on Armour anybody had developed red palms and finger pads. I

thought it was an over load from armour causing it.

Okay, so I started taking cortisone 5 mgs a day and since I still had

a bottle of some 1/4 grain chips of armour left. Not a lot but enough

to experiment with. I started taking them, with the help of the

cortisone, I have been able to get to 60 mgs of Armour in 3 divided

doses(due to no thyroid fuction this works for me) within a month.

And then a couple of days ago was able to up to 90 mgs. I knew I

needed that big of a boost and it has helped even more! So far no

palps... over stimulation or any of the problems I had before. I

started taking my temp to see what was happening and even with going

to 90mg. I'm still not optimal yet. but will remain at this doseage

for awhile, so my body can adjust.

I'm getting there, my friends.

My palms are losing the redness. And except for the itches from dry

skin I have been having to scrub off my body... not to mention being

very careful, because I keep overdoing it, because I feel so much

better! I feel like even though I may have a while yet to get to

where I need to and get my body and mind back...

I NOW HAVE HOPE!!!!(sorry for shouting:)You can't beleive... no... I

take that back, I know you know how exciting it is to know you are

going to get your life back. The hard part is allowing the healing

not to be hampered, by to much actitivy, but still do enough to jump

start the body and mind again.

I had to hurry and order a bottle of Armour from England and I am a

little worried I will run out before it gets here, but hoping I won't

because that would suck big time. They mailed it on the 15, so I am

on pins and needles worrying if I have enough.

Lol...a month ago I was selling off the three bottles I had and now

I'm hoping I get another bottle in before what I have runs out:]What

irony!

I plan to order extra bottles if I have to order a bottle a week so I

have plenty as budget allows:]I hate the price but with no insurance

and no doctor that would prescibe it anyway. Well you do what you

have to do.

I still am reading through the back log!!! you people write a

lot..lol, and still healing.

I can't begin to tell all of you how happy I am at the thought of

possibly being well enough to go to my daughter's wedding in the

spring in Fla. I haven't been out of the state in years!

I want to thank you Janie for this list and the ones on here who kept

insisting about adrenals and iron levels. The right supplements( what

a wealth of information)(You know who you are:}

If not for that one link about the hands... I would never had tried

Armour again. I shudder when I think about how I just gave up.

Also Topper, if not for you and your e-mail to my questions the other

day when I freaked out thinking the itching was from being allegic to

armour, afraid once again, I was going to have to go back into that

dark hole again. I don't know what I would have done...

Sorry for the long post... being a writer, just can't help it..lol.

Just wanted to update and let all of you know:]

Take care

Jewel Dartt

http://www.geocities.com/jkdartt/

[Guest guest]

> Hey , do you remember about where you found this red palm thing

because I have red palms?

>

> Missing In action(sorry long)

>

>

> Oh my, I have done so much reading and gone to so may links. I

can't find the reference!Sorry Jamy, I thought I had saved it but I

couldn't find it anywhere. But trust me, even though it's rarely

mentioned it is a sign of adrenal insufficincy. I just wish I could

find it again. Maybe somebody else knows about this little known

symptom. Mine only becomes red when I'm taking Armour(decreased a lot

since taking 5mg of predisone a day.) When I'm on just t4 I don't

have the red hands. I'm assuming since I con't convert the plain t4,

I don't get enough t3 to over stress the adrenals, thus no red hands

showing the taking of my adrenals. I think mine is not severe, but

severe enough to prevent me from taking Armour, except in very tiny

doses that caused very hyper-like symptoms including a pounding heart

rate. Now I can take 90 mgs without all those horrible symptoms, and

I'm getting better. Of course this may not be true for everybody. I

have been post graves rai for almost 13 years (no thyroid fuction)

with terrible stressors during that time. It would make sense that my

adrenals would be out of whack. So for me it is working:} I don't

want anyone thinking I'm trying to play doctor. But I have no choice

but to be my own doctor.:}

Take Care

>

> Jewel Dartt

> http://www.geocities.com/jkdartt/

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > Hey , do you remember about where you found this red palm thing

> because I have red palms?

> >

> > oops... lol I answered before I saw Janie's post.

Jewel

[Guest guest]

> > Hey , do you remember about where you found this red palm thing

> because I have red palms?

> >

> > oops... lol I answered before I saw Janie's post.

Jewel

[Guest guest]

> Also this is redness and not the orangish color in the palms that

those with hypo get from the malabsorption of beta carotene?

> ThyroFeisty(aka Feisty)

>

Oh yes, very red palms:} No mistake about that.

Jewel