Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 In a message dated 4/28/02 10:00:46 PM !!!First Boot!!!, pnorwood1@... writes: << So the Zoloft must really work >> I have taken Zoloft for 3 years and my life would not be the same without it. I had written before about the change that occured. I am glad you are feeling much less stressed. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 In a message dated 4/28/02 6:00:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pnorwood1@... writes: > But, I started taking my Zoloft again. I had stopped because of > Atkins last year. Why would you stop Zoloft because of Atkins, i'm confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 I had stopped because of Atkins last year. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's me again Phyllis:-) Please explain what conflicts there can be between soloft and Atkins. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 Phyllis said.... > But, for the last year I have been trying to get my blood sugar down eating > under 20 carbs a day. I have exercised, etc. and have never been able to get > it under around 170 - 200 in the morning and 125 to 150 at night. Well > everyday on Zoloft it has gotten lower and right now it is 80. I have been > eating around 40 carbs a day for the last week. I lowered my calories and > upped the carbs to lose weight. Of course, I still haven't lost any. > > I do take 1/2 of an Amaryl a day, but I have been doing that for the last > month and have only seen about 25 point reduction. > > So the Zoloft must really work. I do feel almost dead at 80, but I know I > will get used to it. I'm not real surprised over what you are saying...I have gotten upset and then watched my bg rise...taking it every 20 mins. or so...it is amazing how much it will jump. It's really sounding like you are in need of the Zoloft during this time period. I hope the job situation gets better for you. I understand what you're saying about change...i don't deal with it well at all!!! Well the best I can do is send a hug and say I understand. take care. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 When I started on Atkins after 2 months, I had never gone into ketosis. I called them and they said and it is also stated in the book, that most anti-depressents, especially the class of Zoloft and Prozac, will make it very difficult for your to go into ketosis and lose weight. I know I need to take it so now I am just lowereing my quantities. I am just disgusted by the entire thing that since Jan. 2 I haven't lost any weight. My doctor is a numb nuts over the thyroid thing, so I would have to try to find another doctor that specializes in this and I don't know if I have the time. How many hours a week can you take off to go to a doctor? I also wonder if doctors really believe you when you say I have been on a diet for two months, never cheated and still haven't lost weight. Phyllis >From: GayRghts@... >Reply-To: diabetes_int >To: diabetes_int >Subject: Re: Zoloft >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:27:14 EDT > >In a message dated 4/28/02 6:00:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >pnorwood1@... writes: > > > > But, I started taking my Zoloft again. I had stopped because of > > Atkins last year. > >Why would you stop Zoloft because of Atkins, i'm confused > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 When I started on Atkins after 2 months, I had never gone into ketosis. I called them and they said and it is also stated in the book, that most anti-depressents, especially the class of Zoloft and Prozac, will make it very difficult for your to go into ketosis and lose weight. I know I need to take it so now I am just lowereing my quantities. I am just disgusted by the entire thing that since Jan. 2 I haven't lost any weight. My doctor is a numb nuts over the thyroid thing, so I would have to try to find another doctor that specializes in this and I don't know if I have the time. How many hours a week can you take off to go to a doctor? I also wonder if doctors really believe you when you say I have been on a diet for two months, never cheated and still haven't lost weight. Phyllis >From: GayRghts@... >Reply-To: diabetes_int >To: diabetes_int >Subject: Re: Zoloft >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:27:14 EDT > >In a message dated 4/28/02 6:00:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >pnorwood1@... writes: > > > > But, I started taking my Zoloft again. I had stopped because of > > Atkins last year. > >Why would you stop Zoloft because of Atkins, i'm confused > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 They say Zoloft and prozac and other anti-depressents may cause you not ot lose weight on a low-carb diet. I am not sure about a low-calorie diet. Many meds can effect weight lost, usually not in a good way. I took Vioxx on time and gained 10 pounds in a day. > >Reply-To: diabetes_int >To: <diabetes_int > >Subject: Re: Zoloft >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:45:30 -0600 > >I had stopped because of >Atkins last year. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >It's me again Phyllis:-) Please explain what conflicts there can be >between >soloft and Atkins. >Art > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 They say Zoloft and prozac and other anti-depressents may cause you not ot lose weight on a low-carb diet. I am not sure about a low-calorie diet. Many meds can effect weight lost, usually not in a good way. I took Vioxx on time and gained 10 pounds in a day. > >Reply-To: diabetes_int >To: <diabetes_int > >Subject: Re: Zoloft >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:45:30 -0600 > >I had stopped because of >Atkins last year. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >It's me again Phyllis:-) Please explain what conflicts there can be >between >soloft and Atkins. >Art > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 In a message dated 4/29/02 3:38:05 PM !!!First Boot!!!, pnorwood1@... writes: << I also wonder if doctors really believe you when you say I have been on a diet for two months, never cheated and still haven't lost weight. >> I have had that problem, they just tell you you really need to not eat things you shouldn't and you need to exercise more. PAIN IN THE REAR Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 In a message dated 4/29/02 3:51:17 PM !!!First Boot!!!, pnorwood1@... writes: << meds can effect weight lost, usually not in a good way. I took Vioxx on time and gained 10 pounds in a day. >> Actos did that to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 In a message dated 4/29/02 3:51:17 PM !!!First Boot!!!, pnorwood1@... writes: << meds can effect weight lost, usually not in a good way. I took Vioxx on time and gained 10 pounds in a day. >> Actos did that to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 No...but I wouldn't believe anything Rush Limbaugh says. Call in and ask for cites. Vicki In a message dated 05/07/2002 10:02:17 AM US Mountain Standard Time, pnorwood1@... writes: > just heard on Rush Lindbaugh when I ran out at lunch that a new clinical > study had been released that said that Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil and other > anti-depressents had been proven to be no more effective than taking a > sugar > pill. He said that apparently the effect of taking the pill was just as > good > as the medication. > > Have any of you heard anything about this? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 No...but I wouldn't believe anything Rush Limbaugh says. Call in and ask for cites. Vicki In a message dated 05/07/2002 10:02:17 AM US Mountain Standard Time, pnorwood1@... writes: > just heard on Rush Lindbaugh when I ran out at lunch that a new clinical > study had been released that said that Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil and other > anti-depressents had been proven to be no more effective than taking a > sugar > pill. He said that apparently the effect of taking the pill was just as > good > as the medication. > > Have any of you heard anything about this? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 I just heard on Rush Lindbaugh when I ran out at lunch that a new clinical study had been released that said that Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil and other anti-depressents had been proven to be no more effective than taking a sugar pill. He said that apparently the effect of taking the pill was just as good as the medication. Have any of you heard anything about this? Phyllis N _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 > I just heard on Rush Lindbaugh when I ran out at lunch that a new clinical > study had been released that said that Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil and other > anti-depressents had been proven to be no more effective than taking a sugar > pill. He said that apparently the effect of taking the pill was just as good > as the medication. I would question anything that Rush Lindbaugh says...but I can tell you from the experience of being on Effexor ...(an antidepressant in the same class of the ones you mentioned above...a sarantonin reuptake inhibitor) for the past 2 1/2 years or so that the study he cited...if real, is bs. They do work. I am NOT imagining it. Deb Deborah Lynch Gloucester Twp. NJ Whiskers Folk Art http://community.webshots.com/user/whiskersfolkart66 " Cats are smarter then dogs...you can't get eight cats to pull a sled thru snow " Jeff Valdez " I wonder if other dogs think poodles are members of a weird religious cult. " Rita Rudner " Anytime you're feeling foolish remember there is always someone clicking on an attachment " me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 I heard a report about this on the news this morning. Apparently, they have been able to measure the placebo's effect on the brain. Apparently we are able to fool our brains into thinking that they are getting help and the brain reacts accordingly. I'm sure there will be much controversy over this for some time to come, but the interesting thing is that there is a measurable physiological response and not just a psychological one, according to the report I heard. Christy > > > > I just heard on Rush Lindbaugh when I ran out at lunch that a new clinical > study had been released that said that Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil and other > anti-depressents had been proven to be no more effective than taking a sugar > pill. He said that apparently the effect of taking the pill was just as good > as the medication. > > Have any of you heard anything about this? > > Phyllis N > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 I heard a report about this on the news this morning. Apparently, they have been able to measure the placebo's effect on the brain. Apparently we are able to fool our brains into thinking that they are getting help and the brain reacts accordingly. I'm sure there will be much controversy over this for some time to come, but the interesting thing is that there is a measurable physiological response and not just a psychological one, according to the report I heard. Christy > > > > I just heard on Rush Lindbaugh when I ran out at lunch that a new clinical > study had been released that said that Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil and other > anti-depressents had been proven to be no more effective than taking a sugar > pill. He said that apparently the effect of taking the pill was just as good > as the medication. > > Have any of you heard anything about this? > > Phyllis N > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 > -----Original Message----- > From: Phyllis Norwood > new clinical > study had been released that said that Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil > and other > anti-depressents had been proven to be no more effective than > taking a sugar > pill. He said that apparently the effect of taking the pill .... > Have any of you heard anything about this? Here is a link to the news report. I have not taken time to thoroughly review this, so I have no opinion. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42930-2002May6.html Against Depression, a Sugar Pill Is Hard to Beat Placebos Improve Mood, Change Brain Chemistry in Majority of Trials of Antidepressants By Shankar Vedantam Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, May 7, 2002; Page A01 Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 > -----Original Message----- > From: Phyllis Norwood > new clinical > study had been released that said that Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil > and other > anti-depressents had been proven to be no more effective than > taking a sugar > pill. He said that apparently the effect of taking the pill .... > Have any of you heard anything about this? Here is a link to the news report. I have not taken time to thoroughly review this, so I have no opinion. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42930-2002May6.html Against Depression, a Sugar Pill Is Hard to Beat Placebos Improve Mood, Change Brain Chemistry in Majority of Trials of Antidepressants By Shankar Vedantam Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, May 7, 2002; Page A01 Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 > Here is a link to the news report. I have not taken time to thoroughly > review this, so I have no opinion. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42930-2002May6.html > > Against Depression, a Sugar Pill Is Hard to Beat > Placebos Improve Mood, Change Brain Chemistry in Majority of Trials of > Antidepressants It makes some sense....there are different reasons people become depressed....sometimes it is because of emotional upheaval....other times it is chemically caused. If you are having a very hard time in your life and are stressed to the point where you become depressed, start to suffer from anxiety or panic attacks many times even though these are REAL physical symptoms the root of the problem is psychological....whereas if you have a chemical imbalance in your brain (and that can be cause by alot of different things...hereditary, environmental, ect) that is not really what you would call physiological....it is more physical (I hope I'm making some sense here ;-)...so it would be understandable if someone suffering from problems brought on by alot of stress in their lives could be fooled into thinking a pill is helping them. Alot of times what these people really need to do is take control of what is going on around them and they will start to feel better...well if they are given a pill and told they will now be in control...then maybe they will. OTOH...if you have a chemical imbalance in your brain it won't matter a hoot how many sugar pills you take (unless it's sugar your need;-)...you will still be depressed. I don't think they needed to do a study to figure that one other though.... Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 > Here is a link to the news report. I have not taken time to thoroughly > review this, so I have no opinion. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42930-2002May6.html > > Against Depression, a Sugar Pill Is Hard to Beat > Placebos Improve Mood, Change Brain Chemistry in Majority of Trials of > Antidepressants It makes some sense....there are different reasons people become depressed....sometimes it is because of emotional upheaval....other times it is chemically caused. If you are having a very hard time in your life and are stressed to the point where you become depressed, start to suffer from anxiety or panic attacks many times even though these are REAL physical symptoms the root of the problem is psychological....whereas if you have a chemical imbalance in your brain (and that can be cause by alot of different things...hereditary, environmental, ect) that is not really what you would call physiological....it is more physical (I hope I'm making some sense here ;-)...so it would be understandable if someone suffering from problems brought on by alot of stress in their lives could be fooled into thinking a pill is helping them. Alot of times what these people really need to do is take control of what is going on around them and they will start to feel better...well if they are given a pill and told they will now be in control...then maybe they will. OTOH...if you have a chemical imbalance in your brain it won't matter a hoot how many sugar pills you take (unless it's sugar your need;-)...you will still be depressed. I don't think they needed to do a study to figure that one other though.... Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Don't shoot the messenger. Rush just reports, doesn't make the news. Yes, this is pretty disturbing to me, but I maybe can understand it. I am now in therapy, but started taking my Zoloft again. The therapist says that I have a serere anxiety disorder, but after what I have been through, who wouldn't have an anxiety disorder. But, this is major news to me. Last week I started a 1000 calorie a day diet. I have been able to keep my blood sugar between 167 and 125, but I have gained 5 pounds in the last five days after starting the Zoloft and the diet. So maybe this is all in my mind. Also, Zoloft and Prozac are not heavy duty drugs in this world. So now I am just upset and confused about the weight loss. Pretty soon I will have gained back all the weight I lost last year, by sticking to a diet and never cheating. Pretty depressing in itself. Oh and by the way I have been exercising for about 3 months, an average of 3 days per week. Am I destined to be overweight all my life? Or is the questions to be skinny or crazy? Phyllis N. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42930-2002May6.html > > > > Against Depression, a Sugar Pill Is Hard to Beat > > Placebos Improve Mood, Change Brain Chemistry in Majority of Trials of > > Antidepressants > > >It makes some sense....there are different reasons people become >depressed....sometimes it is because of emotional upheaval....other times >it is chemically caused. >If you are having a very hard time in your life and are stressed to the >point where you become depressed, start to suffer from anxiety or panic >attacks many times even though these are REAL physical symptoms the root of >the problem is psychological....whereas if you have a chemical imbalance in >your brain (and that can be cause by alot of different things...hereditary, >environmental, ect) that is not really what you would call >physiological....it is more physical (I hope I'm making some sense here >;-)...so it would be understandable if someone suffering from problems >brought on by alot of stress in their lives could be fooled into thinking a >pill is helping them. Alot of times what these people really need to do is >take control of what is going on around them and they will start to feel >better...well if they are given a pill and told they will now be in >control...then maybe they will. > >OTOH...if you have a chemical imbalance in your brain it won't matter a >hoot >how many sugar pills you take (unless it's sugar your need;-)...you will >still be depressed. > >I don't think they needed to do a study to figure that one other though.... > >Deb > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Don't shoot the messenger. Rush just reports, doesn't make the news. Yes, this is pretty disturbing to me, but I maybe can understand it. I am now in therapy, but started taking my Zoloft again. The therapist says that I have a serere anxiety disorder, but after what I have been through, who wouldn't have an anxiety disorder. But, this is major news to me. Last week I started a 1000 calorie a day diet. I have been able to keep my blood sugar between 167 and 125, but I have gained 5 pounds in the last five days after starting the Zoloft and the diet. So maybe this is all in my mind. Also, Zoloft and Prozac are not heavy duty drugs in this world. So now I am just upset and confused about the weight loss. Pretty soon I will have gained back all the weight I lost last year, by sticking to a diet and never cheating. Pretty depressing in itself. Oh and by the way I have been exercising for about 3 months, an average of 3 days per week. Am I destined to be overweight all my life? Or is the questions to be skinny or crazy? Phyllis N. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42930-2002May6.html > > > > Against Depression, a Sugar Pill Is Hard to Beat > > Placebos Improve Mood, Change Brain Chemistry in Majority of Trials of > > Antidepressants > > >It makes some sense....there are different reasons people become >depressed....sometimes it is because of emotional upheaval....other times >it is chemically caused. >If you are having a very hard time in your life and are stressed to the >point where you become depressed, start to suffer from anxiety or panic >attacks many times even though these are REAL physical symptoms the root of >the problem is psychological....whereas if you have a chemical imbalance in >your brain (and that can be cause by alot of different things...hereditary, >environmental, ect) that is not really what you would call >physiological....it is more physical (I hope I'm making some sense here >;-)...so it would be understandable if someone suffering from problems >brought on by alot of stress in their lives could be fooled into thinking a >pill is helping them. Alot of times what these people really need to do is >take control of what is going on around them and they will start to feel >better...well if they are given a pill and told they will now be in >control...then maybe they will. > >OTOH...if you have a chemical imbalance in your brain it won't matter a >hoot >how many sugar pills you take (unless it's sugar your need;-)...you will >still be depressed. > >I don't think they needed to do a study to figure that one other though.... > >Deb > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Don't shoot the messenger. Rush just reports, doesn't make the news. Yes, this is pretty disturbing to me, but I maybe can understand it. I am now in therapy, but started taking my Zoloft again. The therapist says that I have a serere anxiety disorder, but after what I have been through, who wouldn't have an anxiety disorder. But, this is major news to me. Last week I started a 1000 calorie a day diet. I have been able to keep my blood sugar between 167 and 125, but I have gained 5 pounds in the last five days after starting the Zoloft and the diet. So maybe this is all in my mind. Also, Zoloft and Prozac are not heavy duty drugs in this world. So now I am just upset and confused about the weight loss. Pretty soon I will have gained back all the weight I lost last year, by sticking to a diet and never cheating. Pretty depressing in itself. Oh and by the way I have been exercising for about 3 months, an average of 3 days per week. Am I destined to be overweight all my life? Or is the questions to be skinny or crazy? Phyllis N. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42930-2002May6.html > > > > Against Depression, a Sugar Pill Is Hard to Beat > > Placebos Improve Mood, Change Brain Chemistry in Majority of Trials of > > Antidepressants > > >It makes some sense....there are different reasons people become >depressed....sometimes it is because of emotional upheaval....other times >it is chemically caused. >If you are having a very hard time in your life and are stressed to the >point where you become depressed, start to suffer from anxiety or panic >attacks many times even though these are REAL physical symptoms the root of >the problem is psychological....whereas if you have a chemical imbalance in >your brain (and that can be cause by alot of different things...hereditary, >environmental, ect) that is not really what you would call >physiological....it is more physical (I hope I'm making some sense here >;-)...so it would be understandable if someone suffering from problems >brought on by alot of stress in their lives could be fooled into thinking a >pill is helping them. Alot of times what these people really need to do is >take control of what is going on around them and they will start to feel >better...well if they are given a pill and told they will now be in >control...then maybe they will. > >OTOH...if you have a chemical imbalance in your brain it won't matter a >hoot >how many sugar pills you take (unless it's sugar your need;-)...you will >still be depressed. > >I don't think they needed to do a study to figure that one other though.... > >Deb > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Phyllis According to my Doctors some antidepressant medications do cause weight gain in some patients. There are several antidepressants on the market that your doctor could try you on until you find one that works for you without the weight gain side affect. On me 5lbs is a good drink of water and a sandwich. I fluctuate as much as 10 lbs from week to week. My meds may have an affect on my weight however my total caloric intake and regular (or lack thereof) exercise are the things that drive my weight up or down. Since I am insulin dependent, the insulin has an affect on weight as well. Tars --- Phyllis Norwood wrote: > Don't shoot the messenger. Rush just reports, > doesn't make the news. Yes, > this is pretty disturbing to me, but I maybe can > understand it. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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