Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Is Little Bit your cat? I have a cat that was called Little Bit, too. Her " real " name was Ti Pao, or something like that, cause my son liked it (Star Trek-inspired), but we always called her Little Bit. Then my son left, and one of my friend's sons acquired a girlfriend called . His mother, my friend, insisted on calling the girlfriend, whom she detested, " Little Bit. " (That is passive aggressive behavior, if you like.) So the cat became " , " and that is what she is called to this day. The best cat name my son ever came up with is " Bright Penny Raining on the Moon. " He was 3 or 4 then, and alas, Bright Penny died when he was 15. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6946 > Hi Jan; > > I see something else as well, but will try to draw a parallel. > mentioned the old prison 30 days in the hole. In a state > with no death penalty, when you finish the time in the hole there's a > certain euphoria because " They've done their max, this is the most > they can do to me and I have survived, maybe stronger than before, > because now I KNOW they cannot hurt me. > > Isn't that where we are at? AA and its' minions have given us their > equivilant of the hole, and we have survived and now know that they > cannot harm us. The promises of Hell and Damnation are spooky > stories to scare children, of things that go bump in the night. > > The only thing that goes bump in the night here is when Little Bit > falls out of the window sill when he moves in his sleep. > > We THINK, what a strange concept. Regardless of what we ARE > doing, the things we are NOT doing are the things AA predicted for > us. > > I agree that everyone is seeking truth, but it is my truth I seek as > do you. Not the universal truth for all people. Actually my > experience would say the universal truth doesn't exist. The only > truth is one's own, constantly compared to other's truths in a sort > of lifelong search to either find where I fit, or make a place I fit. The > beauty of it being that either way works. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Is Little Bit your cat? I have a cat that was called Little Bit, too. Her " real " name was Ti Pao, or something like that, cause my son liked it (Star Trek-inspired), but we always called her Little Bit. Then my son left, and one of my friend's sons acquired a girlfriend called . His mother, my friend, insisted on calling the girlfriend, whom she detested, " Little Bit. " (That is passive aggressive behavior, if you like.) So the cat became " , " and that is what she is called to this day. The best cat name my son ever came up with is " Bright Penny Raining on the Moon. " He was 3 or 4 then, and alas, Bright Penny died when he was 15. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6946 > Hi Jan; > > I see something else as well, but will try to draw a parallel. > mentioned the old prison 30 days in the hole. In a state > with no death penalty, when you finish the time in the hole there's a > certain euphoria because " They've done their max, this is the most > they can do to me and I have survived, maybe stronger than before, > because now I KNOW they cannot hurt me. > > Isn't that where we are at? AA and its' minions have given us their > equivilant of the hole, and we have survived and now know that they > cannot harm us. The promises of Hell and Damnation are spooky > stories to scare children, of things that go bump in the night. > > The only thing that goes bump in the night here is when Little Bit > falls out of the window sill when he moves in his sleep. > > We THINK, what a strange concept. Regardless of what we ARE > doing, the things we are NOT doing are the things AA predicted for > us. > > I agree that everyone is seeking truth, but it is my truth I seek as > do you. Not the universal truth for all people. Actually my > experience would say the universal truth doesn't exist. The only > truth is one's own, constantly compared to other's truths in a sort > of lifelong search to either find where I fit, or make a place I fit. The > beauty of it being that either way works. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 I don't think I'm oppositional/defiant, but I'm not a conformist either. I was brought a democrat, and I'm still a democrat, brought up irreligious and I'm still irreligious. Brought up to think that women should be wives and mothers and have a career, and boy, has that one cost me! I tried very hard to make AA work for me, as I know you did, , because so many people I respected belonged to it and recommended it. I didn't think anyone still approved of the behavior of the Catholic Church toward Nazi Germany, however, except German Catholics and certain Catholic collaborators, who of course are bound to be ambivalent. After all, it is very hard to reject your church and your country. As to Wal-Mart however -- I thought those deadend aisles were to prevent shoplifting. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6955 > Hey Apple; > > Yeah, I'd say I fit that. I live in Republican conservative Iowa, so of > course I'm a democrat, the only one in the family. I find I'm critical > of things everyone seems to take for granted are good. Like The > Pope, he appeased Hitler and sympathized with The Nazi's even > helped Eichmann and others escape justice. Knew where Mengle > was until his death. Franz Stangl, the Commandante at Birkeneau > is another assisted by the vatican to escape. > > Wal-Mart, uses Japanese indoctrination techniques on employees > and us the public, even making employees gather each morning to > sing the company song(Honest) > > I don't go there unless it's something no one else has. Also they > fix the store so you are forced to walk by loads of other things to > get what you want. Many dead end aisles to make you walk past > things twice. All stores that I've been in are laid out with only one > straight through aisle. They really don't care if it causes traffic > jams. Matter of fact that's the idea, the longer they can keep you > on the sales floor the more money you will spend that you didn't > intend. If I must go there, I take a list, if it ain't on the list I don't > get it. I really would like to make Sam's shitty tricks fail, but one > person cannot do that. I can only protect me from him. > > You get the idea > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 I don't think I'm oppositional/defiant, but I'm not a conformist either. I was brought a democrat, and I'm still a democrat, brought up irreligious and I'm still irreligious. Brought up to think that women should be wives and mothers and have a career, and boy, has that one cost me! I tried very hard to make AA work for me, as I know you did, , because so many people I respected belonged to it and recommended it. I didn't think anyone still approved of the behavior of the Catholic Church toward Nazi Germany, however, except German Catholics and certain Catholic collaborators, who of course are bound to be ambivalent. After all, it is very hard to reject your church and your country. As to Wal-Mart however -- I thought those deadend aisles were to prevent shoplifting. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6955 > Hey Apple; > > Yeah, I'd say I fit that. I live in Republican conservative Iowa, so of > course I'm a democrat, the only one in the family. I find I'm critical > of things everyone seems to take for granted are good. Like The > Pope, he appeased Hitler and sympathized with The Nazi's even > helped Eichmann and others escape justice. Knew where Mengle > was until his death. Franz Stangl, the Commandante at Birkeneau > is another assisted by the vatican to escape. > > Wal-Mart, uses Japanese indoctrination techniques on employees > and us the public, even making employees gather each morning to > sing the company song(Honest) > > I don't go there unless it's something no one else has. Also they > fix the store so you are forced to walk by loads of other things to > get what you want. Many dead end aisles to make you walk past > things twice. All stores that I've been in are laid out with only one > straight through aisle. They really don't care if it causes traffic > jams. Matter of fact that's the idea, the longer they can keep you > on the sales floor the more money you will spend that you didn't > intend. If I must go there, I take a list, if it ain't on the list I don't > get it. I really would like to make Sam's shitty tricks fail, but one > person cannot do that. I can only protect me from him. > > You get the idea > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results were well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6965 > Hi Apple, > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with drinking > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if your > research bears this out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results were well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6965 > Hi Apple, > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with drinking > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if your > research bears this out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Every time I took those MMPI's it said I was lying or being deceptive. I just remember having a hard time answering because they seemed so black and white. One little change in the wording and the question would strike me differently. Who knows? Rebekah ---------- From: kayleighs@... To: 12-step-freeegroups Subject: Re: Hear ye, hear ye! Date: Wed, Aug 4, 1999, 6:57 PM I don't think I'm oppositional/defiant, but I'm not a conformist either. I was brought a democrat, and I'm still a democrat, brought up irreligious and I'm still irreligious. Brought up to think that women should be wives and mothers and have a career, and boy, has that one cost me! I tried very hard to make AA work for me, as I know you did, , because so many people I respected belonged to it and recommended it. I didn't think anyone still approved of the behavior of the Catholic Church toward Nazi Germany, however, except German Catholics and certain Catholic collaborators, who of course are bound to be ambivalent. After all, it is very hard to reject your church and your country. As to Wal-Mart however -- I thought those deadend aisles were to prevent shoplifting. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6955 > Hey Apple; > > Yeah, I'd say I fit that. I live in Republican conservative Iowa, so of > course I'm a democrat, the only one in the family. I find I'm critical > of things everyone seems to take for granted are good. Like The > Pope, he appeased Hitler and sympathized with The Nazi's even > helped Eichmann and others escape justice. Knew where Mengle > was until his death. Franz Stangl, the Commandante at Birkeneau > is another assisted by the vatican to escape. > > Wal-Mart, uses Japanese indoctrination techniques on employees > and us the public, even making employees gather each morning to > sing the company song(Honest) > > I don't go there unless it's something no one else has. Also they > fix the store so you are forced to walk by loads of other things to > get what you want. Many dead end aisles to make you walk past > things twice. All stores that I've been in are laid out with only one > straight through aisle. They really don't care if it causes traffic > jams. Matter of fact that's the idea, the longer they can keep you > on the sales floor the more money you will spend that you didn't > intend. If I must go there, I take a list, if it ain't on the list I don't > get it. I really would like to make Sam's shitty tricks fail, but one > person cannot do that. I can only protect me from him. > > You get the idea > > Click Here! <http://clickhere./click/424> eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free </group/12-step-free> www. <> - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 While actively drinking? I think a lot of using addicts get dxed this way, but not when theyve cleaned up. P. On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:14:11 -0700 kayleighs@... wrote: > This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results were > well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. > > wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6965 > > Hi Apple, > > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with drinking > > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if > your > > research bears this out. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning > FREE travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. > http://clickhere./click/449 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm PD Personality Disorders Discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Depends on how you mean it. Was I drinking when I took them? No. Had I had a drink (or a few) within the last day or week? Yes. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6996 > While actively drinking? I think a lot of using addicts get > dxed this way, but not when theyve cleaned up. > > P. > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:14:11 -0700 kayleighs@... > wrote: > > > This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results were > > well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. > > > > wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6 965 > > > Hi Apple, > > > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with drinking > > > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if > > your > > > research bears this out. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Depends on how you mean it. Was I drinking when I took them? No. Had I had a drink (or a few) within the last day or week? Yes. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6996 > While actively drinking? I think a lot of using addicts get > dxed this way, but not when theyve cleaned up. > > P. > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:14:11 -0700 kayleighs@... > wrote: > > > This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results were > > well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. > > > > wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6 965 > > > Hi Apple, > > > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with drinking > > > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if > > your > > > research bears this out. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 I meant just drinking problematically around the time you took it. P. On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:59:39 -0700 kayleighs@... wrote: > Depends on how you mean it. Was I drinking when I took them? No. Had > I had a drink (or a few) within the last day or week? Yes. > > wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6996 > > While actively drinking? I think a lot of using addicts get > > dxed this way, but not when theyve cleaned up. > > > > P. > > > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:14:11 -0700 kayleighs@... > > wrote: > > > > > This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results > were > > > well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. > > > > > > wrote: > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6 > 965 > > > > Hi Apple, > > > > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with > drinking > > > > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if > > > your > > > > research bears this out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. > Start with up to 150 Points for joining! > http://clickhere./click/630 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm PD Personality Disorders Discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Hi Apple, Actually most of the conservative radio personalities are fed up with 12 step type stuff because too often the step movements abdicate personal responsibility. You'd probably get a warm welcome from their side, in fact!!! Jan Re: Hear ye, hear ye! >Hi : >Well, we'll see if it was a legit request first. I'm still waiting for >the guy to get back to me. I hope it's not some ultra conservative >radio station where I'll get egged in the face. Or maybe that would be >the best, cause I'll just egg 'em back. >Actually, when the dark side of AA puzzle pieces first fell into place, >I did contact a talk show. Montel specifically, cause he talks a lot >about addiction and has done shows on helping addicts (usually by >sending them into treatment), and also by putting heroin addicts into >that miracle cure program where they are anethsetized (sp?), and their >systems are cleaned out utilizing some medical procedure, and a black >ball is placed under the skin so they can't get high afterwards. >I thought that a panel of some of the more voiciferous anti-AA members >would make a good show. Peele, Bufe, Ragge, Fransway, me, you, the >whole anti crew... > >Montel didn't call back, but I'm sure that this topic will make its way >into mainstream media (and soon I hope) >Apple >> >> AppleDTP@... wrote: >> > >> >> > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm >> > waiting for more details. Cool huh? >> > >> Hi Apple >> That is really choice. In fact I think a lot of radio talk show people >> are in need of a little viable controversy. I think many of them would >> relish doing a whole show on the dark side of AA. On the TV end of >it, I >> don't think Oprah would go for it with all of her 12 step >> nonsensibilities, but I'm sure there would be takers. How about 60 >Minutes? >> At any rate you must make tapes of your epic exchange available on >> AADeprogramming. I wouldn't miss it for the world. >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere./click/630 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 At 08:03 AM 8/4/99 -0700, you wrote: >, it is arriving in about 2 weeks or so. e-mail me your snail mail >address and I'll photocopy it and mail it to you. >apple > >> Hi Apple! >> >> I would like to take a look at a copy of that MMPI that you sent for. Apple! Any chance of my getting a copy too? Joe Berenbaum mailto:joe-b@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 , that would be great. Do keep us posted! I would be happy to assist with the effort in any way I can. After feeling alone and apart for so many years, it would be extremely rewarding to be involved in a cause I so firmly believe in. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6975 > Rose wrote: > > > Apple, there will be a time when everything comes out. AA and its tactics > > and false doctrines need to be exposed and made public (hmmmm...another > > " reason " for anonimity; so much of the BB won't stand the light of close > > scrutinization). People need to know the truth about the butt doctor and > > the womanizer! > > Yeah , > I think the media is starting to weaken in lieu of its protectiveness of > AA and its ilk. Recently in the Star they did a story on X-Files star > Gillian and made numerous references to her AA attendence even > going so far as to give the location of one of the meetings she > attended. I think if some of these TV news mags got wind of some of Bill > W's indiscretions as well as the Buchmanist roots they would start to > smell blood in the water and possibly end up whittling AA down to size > and remove its status as sacred cow and the cultural icon it has become. > > I have a relative who is involved in the media and has actually produced > some investigative reporting segments. I will contact him and find out > the most appropriate avenue to take as regards this situation. I suspect > it would involve contacting various people and supplying them with a > comprehensive cover letter, copies of Fransway's, Ragge's, and Gilliam's > books, the Email addresses of AADeprogramming and Stanton Peele's > Website, and a list of contacts. > > If the cover letter is clear and thorough, and includes poignant > references to the enclosed text, I can't imagine how they would be able > to resist such a story. Let's face it the media just loves a wolf in > sheep's clothing story.(especially 60 Minutes)It could be the biggest > thing for them since exposing Catholic Curch cover ups of involving > priests abusing altar boys. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Count me in!!!! Leigh In a message dated 08/05/1999 10:16:12 AM Central Daylight Time, WROSE2@... writes: << , that would be great. Do keep us posted! I would be happy to assist with the effort in any way I can. After feeling alone and apart for so many years, it would be extremely rewarding to be involved in a cause I so firmly believe in. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6975 > Rose wrote: > > > Apple, there will be a time when everything comes out. AA and its tactics > > and false doctrines need to be exposed and made public (hmmmm...another > > " reason " for anonimity; so much of the BB won't stand the light of close > > scrutinization). People need to know the truth about the butt doctor and > > the womanizer! > > Yeah , > I think the media is starting to weaken in lieu of its protectiveness of > AA and its ilk. Recently in the Star they did a story on X-Files star > Gillian and made numerous references to her AA attendence even > going so far as to give the location of one of the meetings she > attended. I think if some of these TV news mags got wind of some of Bill > W's indiscretions as well as the Buchmanist roots they would start to > smell blood in the water and possibly end up whittling AA down to size > and remove its status as sacred cow and the cultural icon it has become. > > I have a relative who is involved in the media and has actually produced > some investigative reporting segments. I will contact him and find out > the most appropriate avenue to take as regards this situation. I suspect > it would involve contacting various people and supplying them with a > comprehensive cover letter, copies of Fransway's, Ragge's, and Gilliam's > books, the Email addresses of AADeprogramming and Stanton Peele's > Website, and a list of contacts. > > If the cover letter is clear and thorough, and includes poignant > references to the enclosed text, I can't imagine how they would be able > to resist such a story. Let's face it the media just loves a wolf in > sheep's clothing story.(especially 60 Minutes)It could be the biggest > thing for them since exposing Catholic Curch cover ups of involving > priests abusing altar boys. > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Count me in!!!! Leigh In a message dated 08/05/1999 10:16:12 AM Central Daylight Time, WROSE2@... writes: << , that would be great. Do keep us posted! I would be happy to assist with the effort in any way I can. After feeling alone and apart for so many years, it would be extremely rewarding to be involved in a cause I so firmly believe in. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6975 > Rose wrote: > > > Apple, there will be a time when everything comes out. AA and its tactics > > and false doctrines need to be exposed and made public (hmmmm...another > > " reason " for anonimity; so much of the BB won't stand the light of close > > scrutinization). People need to know the truth about the butt doctor and > > the womanizer! > > Yeah , > I think the media is starting to weaken in lieu of its protectiveness of > AA and its ilk. Recently in the Star they did a story on X-Files star > Gillian and made numerous references to her AA attendence even > going so far as to give the location of one of the meetings she > attended. I think if some of these TV news mags got wind of some of Bill > W's indiscretions as well as the Buchmanist roots they would start to > smell blood in the water and possibly end up whittling AA down to size > and remove its status as sacred cow and the cultural icon it has become. > > I have a relative who is involved in the media and has actually produced > some investigative reporting segments. I will contact him and find out > the most appropriate avenue to take as regards this situation. I suspect > it would involve contacting various people and supplying them with a > comprehensive cover letter, copies of Fransway's, Ragge's, and Gilliam's > books, the Email addresses of AADeprogramming and Stanton Peele's > Website, and a list of contacts. > > If the cover letter is clear and thorough, and includes poignant > references to the enclosed text, I can't imagine how they would be able > to resist such a story. Let's face it the media just loves a wolf in > sheep's clothing story.(especially 60 Minutes)It could be the biggest > thing for them since exposing Catholic Curch cover ups of involving > priests abusing altar boys. > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 Is this question directed at me? If so, explain what you mean by " actively drinking. " Last night, a week ago, a month ago? Always assuming, of course, I wasn't drunk when I took it. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6996 > While actively drinking? I think a lot of using addicts get > dxed this way, but not when theyve cleaned up. > > P. > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:14:11 -0700 kayleighs@... > wrote: > > > This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results were > > well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. > > > > wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6 965 > > > Hi Apple, > > > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with drinking > > > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if > > your > > > research bears this out. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 Is this question directed at me? If so, explain what you mean by " actively drinking. " Last night, a week ago, a month ago? Always assuming, of course, I wasn't drunk when I took it. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6996 > While actively drinking? I think a lot of using addicts get > dxed this way, but not when theyve cleaned up. > > P. > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:14:11 -0700 kayleighs@... > wrote: > > > This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results were > > well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. > > > > wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6 965 > > > Hi Apple, > > > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with drinking > > > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if > > your > > > research bears this out. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 Is this question directed at me? If so, explain what you mean by " actively drinking. " Last night, a week ago, a month ago? Always assuming, of course, I wasn't drunk when I took it. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6996 > While actively drinking? I think a lot of using addicts get > dxed this way, but not when theyve cleaned up. > > P. > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:14:11 -0700 kayleighs@... > wrote: > > > This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results were > > well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. > > > > wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6 965 > > > Hi Apple, > > > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with drinking > > > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if > > your > > > research bears this out. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 Sorry -- I asked the question twice, having forgotten that I asked it the first time. Also having trouble keeping track of what messages I have read, due to the way the website index is now constructed. I would say that I was drinking problematically at the time I took the first one. Had not had a drink for two weeks when I took the second one. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6999 > I meant just drinking problematically around the time you > took it. > > P. > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:59:39 -0700 kayleighs@... > wrote: > > > Depends on how you mean it. Was I drinking when I took them? No. Had > > I had a drink (or a few) within the last day or week? Yes. > > > > wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6 996 > > > While actively drinking? I think a lot of using addicts get > > > dxed this way, but not when theyve cleaned up. > > > > > > P. > > > > > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:14:11 -0700 kayleighs@... > > > wrote: > > > > > > > This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results > > were > > > > well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?sta rt=6 > > 965 > > > > > Hi Apple, > > > > > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with > > drinking > > > > > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if > > > > your > > > > > research bears this out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 Sorry -- I asked the question twice, having forgotten that I asked it the first time. Also having trouble keeping track of what messages I have read, due to the way the website index is now constructed. I would say that I was drinking problematically at the time I took the first one. Had not had a drink for two weeks when I took the second one. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6999 > I meant just drinking problematically around the time you > took it. > > P. > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:59:39 -0700 kayleighs@... > wrote: > > > Depends on how you mean it. Was I drinking when I took them? No. Had > > I had a drink (or a few) within the last day or week? Yes. > > > > wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6 996 > > > While actively drinking? I think a lot of using addicts get > > > dxed this way, but not when theyve cleaned up. > > > > > > P. > > > > > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:14:11 -0700 kayleighs@... > > > wrote: > > > > > > > This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results > > were > > > > well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?sta rt=6 > > 965 > > > > > Hi Apple, > > > > > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with > > drinking > > > > > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if > > > > your > > > > > research bears this out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 Hi Kayleigh I hadnt meant to pose a question of you, I meant to answer - the ? was a typo. I guess the answer to your question is " less time than the longest time you ever went between drinks when you were drinking problematically. " Pete On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:41:41 -0700 kayleighs@... wrote: > Is this question directed at me? If so, explain what you mean by > " actively drinking. " Last night, a week ago, a month ago? Always > assuming, of course, I wasn't drunk when I took it. > > wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6996 > > While actively drinking? I think a lot of using addicts get > > dxed this way, but not when theyve cleaned up. > > > > P. > > > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:14:11 -0700 kayleighs@... > > wrote: > > > > > This can't be true. I've had at least two MMPI's, and the results > were > > > well within normal limits. Psychologically, I am dull, dull, dull. > > > > > > wrote: > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6 > 965 > > > > Hi Apple, > > > > My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with > drinking > > > > problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if > > > your > > > > research bears this out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning > FREE travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. > http://clickhere./click/449 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm PD Personality Disorders Discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 Well, sad news, but sort of okay. Last night my husband and I went out to dinner, when we came back was straining to breathe. Took her to the vet ER, she had fluid accumulating in her chest cavity. They think she has a heart problem and will have to have an ultrasound. They drained the fluid and she was home after 24 hrs., I am keeping an eagle eye on her. Last year I thought she had eaten some of my arthritis medicine and took her to the same ER, they treated her but found at the same time she was in liver failure, so I left her overnight and the poor thing had a stroke. Ended up four days in hospital. She is so old, 16, but often when feeling well is spry and kittenish. She's very affectionate and I will hate to lose her, but I'm afraid she's going downhill. The vet keeps telling me she's a " geriatric cat. " I hope I can hang on to her and keep her life high quality. When my son and I got her it became clear real quickly she'd been abused, and it was four years before she meowed or purred. So sad, because she was only six or eight weeks old when we got her. Goes to show what lasting effects early abuse can have. Anyway, she's one of my main sources of affection, and if something happens to her, I will really be sad. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7036 > Hi Kayleigh; > > Yeah Little Bit is our newest addition as of a year ago when he ran > under Rose's little Sunbird wagon at the gas station. He wasn't > really weaned yet, pure white with bright blues eyes. I feared he > would be genetically deaf(Common in white cats with blue eyes), > but about a month later his eyes turned green and all is well. They > were just kitten blue. Our other cat Mr Lynx, is 17 pounds and > about 10 years old. He still acts like a kitten on occasion. Mr > Lynx is about as big a housecat as I've ever seen. I have one of > those lift chairs that will stand a person up. Mr Lynx can stretch > out and reach the top of the backrest while standing on the floor, a > distance around four feet and a bit over. When I'm in bed and he > decides to knead on my stomach, he has my full attention 8^) Not > always the attention he craves, boy that smarts. > > All the tomcats we've had have been lovers. Little Bit is number > five, Mr Lynx number 3. In the nearly 12 years Rose and I have > been married we've had seven, two tabbies and five toms. Two > were given to us, the rest were strays. Two dogs in the mix, one > monster on small. The one was an accidental crossbreed at a dog > breeders and was given to us. Half Newfoundland and half Old > English Sheep Dog, he was a trip, looked like a Black Old English > Sheepdog with a long nose. The other was an Australian Shepherd > we saved from being put down by the City of Audubon. He just > disappeared one day, which was strange. We had given him to a > farm couple he liked with three kids. We told them to keep him > tied up for a while. They were 25 miles from us, but one morning > my neifgbor called and said " Sam's back " , sure enough he was. > We decided he was just our dog, and kept him. Six months later > he just vanished. Couple of months later my landlord about 3 > sheets in the wind admitted killing him. He had two welsh corgy > females and Sam wasn't nutered was his reasoning. He and his > wife ran the town, not much to be done about it. We moved here > about three months later. I was a bit upset and told him to be > careful, because rifles could kill people as well as dogs and walked > away from him. I was working on the sillcott and had a pipe > wrench in my hand. I really really wanted to hit him with it, a > couple of dozen times. I have no idea what stopped me and that's > a fact. Our lease got terminated. > > Well, you asked the time, and I explained watch making. > > Love that name switch, I know a dog story about . > > Two dogs on the corner as a third approches. One of the two says > " Sit down , here comes old cold nose " > > Till later, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 Well, sad news, but sort of okay. Last night my husband and I went out to dinner, when we came back was straining to breathe. Took her to the vet ER, she had fluid accumulating in her chest cavity. They think she has a heart problem and will have to have an ultrasound. They drained the fluid and she was home after 24 hrs., I am keeping an eagle eye on her. Last year I thought she had eaten some of my arthritis medicine and took her to the same ER, they treated her but found at the same time she was in liver failure, so I left her overnight and the poor thing had a stroke. Ended up four days in hospital. She is so old, 16, but often when feeling well is spry and kittenish. She's very affectionate and I will hate to lose her, but I'm afraid she's going downhill. The vet keeps telling me she's a " geriatric cat. " I hope I can hang on to her and keep her life high quality. When my son and I got her it became clear real quickly she'd been abused, and it was four years before she meowed or purred. So sad, because she was only six or eight weeks old when we got her. Goes to show what lasting effects early abuse can have. Anyway, she's one of my main sources of affection, and if something happens to her, I will really be sad. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7036 > Hi Kayleigh; > > Yeah Little Bit is our newest addition as of a year ago when he ran > under Rose's little Sunbird wagon at the gas station. He wasn't > really weaned yet, pure white with bright blues eyes. I feared he > would be genetically deaf(Common in white cats with blue eyes), > but about a month later his eyes turned green and all is well. They > were just kitten blue. Our other cat Mr Lynx, is 17 pounds and > about 10 years old. He still acts like a kitten on occasion. Mr > Lynx is about as big a housecat as I've ever seen. I have one of > those lift chairs that will stand a person up. Mr Lynx can stretch > out and reach the top of the backrest while standing on the floor, a > distance around four feet and a bit over. When I'm in bed and he > decides to knead on my stomach, he has my full attention 8^) Not > always the attention he craves, boy that smarts. > > All the tomcats we've had have been lovers. Little Bit is number > five, Mr Lynx number 3. In the nearly 12 years Rose and I have > been married we've had seven, two tabbies and five toms. Two > were given to us, the rest were strays. Two dogs in the mix, one > monster on small. The one was an accidental crossbreed at a dog > breeders and was given to us. Half Newfoundland and half Old > English Sheep Dog, he was a trip, looked like a Black Old English > Sheepdog with a long nose. The other was an Australian Shepherd > we saved from being put down by the City of Audubon. He just > disappeared one day, which was strange. We had given him to a > farm couple he liked with three kids. We told them to keep him > tied up for a while. They were 25 miles from us, but one morning > my neifgbor called and said " Sam's back " , sure enough he was. > We decided he was just our dog, and kept him. Six months later > he just vanished. Couple of months later my landlord about 3 > sheets in the wind admitted killing him. He had two welsh corgy > females and Sam wasn't nutered was his reasoning. He and his > wife ran the town, not much to be done about it. We moved here > about three months later. I was a bit upset and told him to be > careful, because rifles could kill people as well as dogs and walked > away from him. I was working on the sillcott and had a pipe > wrench in my hand. I really really wanted to hit him with it, a > couple of dozen times. I have no idea what stopped me and that's > a fact. Our lease got terminated. > > Well, you asked the time, and I explained watch making. > > Love that name switch, I know a dog story about . > > Two dogs on the corner as a third approches. One of the two says > " Sit down , here comes old cold nose " > > Till later, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 Well, sad news, but sort of okay. Last night my husband and I went out to dinner, when we came back was straining to breathe. Took her to the vet ER, she had fluid accumulating in her chest cavity. They think she has a heart problem and will have to have an ultrasound. They drained the fluid and she was home after 24 hrs., I am keeping an eagle eye on her. Last year I thought she had eaten some of my arthritis medicine and took her to the same ER, they treated her but found at the same time she was in liver failure, so I left her overnight and the poor thing had a stroke. Ended up four days in hospital. She is so old, 16, but often when feeling well is spry and kittenish. She's very affectionate and I will hate to lose her, but I'm afraid she's going downhill. The vet keeps telling me she's a " geriatric cat. " I hope I can hang on to her and keep her life high quality. When my son and I got her it became clear real quickly she'd been abused, and it was four years before she meowed or purred. So sad, because she was only six or eight weeks old when we got her. Goes to show what lasting effects early abuse can have. Anyway, she's one of my main sources of affection, and if something happens to her, I will really be sad. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7036 > Hi Kayleigh; > > Yeah Little Bit is our newest addition as of a year ago when he ran > under Rose's little Sunbird wagon at the gas station. He wasn't > really weaned yet, pure white with bright blues eyes. I feared he > would be genetically deaf(Common in white cats with blue eyes), > but about a month later his eyes turned green and all is well. They > were just kitten blue. Our other cat Mr Lynx, is 17 pounds and > about 10 years old. He still acts like a kitten on occasion. Mr > Lynx is about as big a housecat as I've ever seen. I have one of > those lift chairs that will stand a person up. Mr Lynx can stretch > out and reach the top of the backrest while standing on the floor, a > distance around four feet and a bit over. When I'm in bed and he > decides to knead on my stomach, he has my full attention 8^) Not > always the attention he craves, boy that smarts. > > All the tomcats we've had have been lovers. Little Bit is number > five, Mr Lynx number 3. In the nearly 12 years Rose and I have > been married we've had seven, two tabbies and five toms. Two > were given to us, the rest were strays. Two dogs in the mix, one > monster on small. The one was an accidental crossbreed at a dog > breeders and was given to us. Half Newfoundland and half Old > English Sheep Dog, he was a trip, looked like a Black Old English > Sheepdog with a long nose. The other was an Australian Shepherd > we saved from being put down by the City of Audubon. He just > disappeared one day, which was strange. We had given him to a > farm couple he liked with three kids. We told them to keep him > tied up for a while. They were 25 miles from us, but one morning > my neifgbor called and said " Sam's back " , sure enough he was. > We decided he was just our dog, and kept him. Six months later > he just vanished. Couple of months later my landlord about 3 > sheets in the wind admitted killing him. He had two welsh corgy > females and Sam wasn't nutered was his reasoning. He and his > wife ran the town, not much to be done about it. We moved here > about three months later. I was a bit upset and told him to be > careful, because rifles could kill people as well as dogs and walked > away from him. I was working on the sillcott and had a pipe > wrench in my hand. I really really wanted to hit him with it, a > couple of dozen times. I have no idea what stopped me and that's > a fact. Our lease got terminated. > > Well, you asked the time, and I explained watch making. > > Love that name switch, I know a dog story about . > > Two dogs on the corner as a third approches. One of the two says > " Sit down , here comes old cold nose " > > Till later, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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