Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 --- > You write frequently of traditions >in the Jewish faith and though I'm not hands on familiar with them, I'm not >ignorant of them. One year our Bible study class sponsored a Sedar(sp?) >meal on Maunday Thursday. This was the Last Supper of Christ and correct me >if I'm wrong, the meal of Passover? > ------------------------------ Jan -- what is " Maunday Thursday " ? Is that another name for " Holy Thursday " ? The latter I've heard of. It's always been my understanding that Jesus' last supper was a Passover Seder; evidenced by references in the Christian testament writings to " unleavened bread " and " preparing the Paschal lamb " or some such. (For the 8 days of Passover no products containing yeast or other leavening may be consumed by Jews -- that includes no beer!). However, an acquaintance of mine who is a Greek Orthodox Christian has said his church teaches that the last supper was before Passover; don't remember what his reasoning was. BTW " Christ " is Greek for " Moshiach " , which is Hebrew for " Messiah " or " savior " , so Jews never refer to Jesus by that title. > >As for me, I don't consider members of the Aryan Nation or any of their ilk >my brother and sister in Christ. > >Jan > They are wackadoos, not genuine Christians, IMO. ~Rita --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 --- > You write frequently of traditions >in the Jewish faith and though I'm not hands on familiar with them, I'm not >ignorant of them. One year our Bible study class sponsored a Sedar(sp?) >meal on Maunday Thursday. This was the Last Supper of Christ and correct me >if I'm wrong, the meal of Passover? > ------------------------------ Jan -- what is " Maunday Thursday " ? Is that another name for " Holy Thursday " ? The latter I've heard of. It's always been my understanding that Jesus' last supper was a Passover Seder; evidenced by references in the Christian testament writings to " unleavened bread " and " preparing the Paschal lamb " or some such. (For the 8 days of Passover no products containing yeast or other leavening may be consumed by Jews -- that includes no beer!). However, an acquaintance of mine who is a Greek Orthodox Christian has said his church teaches that the last supper was before Passover; don't remember what his reasoning was. BTW " Christ " is Greek for " Moshiach " , which is Hebrew for " Messiah " or " savior " , so Jews never refer to Jesus by that title. > >As for me, I don't consider members of the Aryan Nation or any of their ilk >my brother and sister in Christ. > >Jan > They are wackadoos, not genuine Christians, IMO. ~Rita --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 I thought that the Last Supper was a seder as well, hence the unleavened wafers and wine that Christians have during Communion. Are you Orthodox, Rita? wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6863 > > > --- > > > > > > > You write frequently of traditions > >in the Jewish faith and though I'm not hands on familiar with them, I'm not > >ignorant of them. One year our Bible study class sponsored a Sedar(sp?) > >meal on Maunday Thursday. This was the Last Supper of Christ and correct me > >if I'm wrong, the meal of Passover? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 Kayleigh S wrote: > I thought that the Last Supper was a seder as well, hence the > unleavened wafers and wine that Christians have during Communion. > ------------------------------ In the Christian ( " New " ) testament there is mention both of unleavened bread on that night and preparing of the paschal lamb -- both are required at the Paasover seder. Also, for all you moderating drinkers: we are commanded to drink 4 glasses of wine at the seder! ------------------------------- > > Are you Orthodox, Rita? > ------------------------------- (Splutter, choke) Heavens me, no. The Frummehs (Orthodox) do not accept the concept of allowing the beauty of an age-old culture and its literature and traditions to be inspirational, while growing with the times... They have thousands of " just-so " rules for EVERYTHING (even sex!) that are based on antiquated ideas that are often unworkable and just plain ridiculous in modern times. No, I do it Reform-style. Reform Judaism keeps the ageless practices and philosophy of Judaism without insisting on ludicrous things as do the Orthodox (like walking up umpteen flights of stairs on Shabbat, the day of rest, if you live in a tall building because using an elevator would be both " operating machinery " and using electricity, i.e. " kindling a flame " , both forbidden by the ancients on the day of rest). The Frummehs in Israel are wreaking havoc there, attacking non-Orthodox Israelis (who make up 90% of the population) for driving cars on Shabbat or (G-d forbid!) praying in mixed-gender groups at the Wailing Wall. I won't even get into the Frummeh notions of women's " uncleanness " ... ~Rita ------------------- > wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6863 > > > > > > > > > > > You write frequently of traditions > > >in the Jewish faith and though I'm not hands on familiar with them, > I'm not > > >ignorant of them. One year our Bible study class sponsored a > Sedar(sp?) > > >meal on Maunday Thursday. This was the Last Supper of Christ and > correct me > > >if I'm wrong, the meal of Passover? > > > > -------------------------------------- See my other post on this topic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 Hi Rita, Gotta admit, that's what I always think of when I see your name. I actually was a meter maid...uhmmmm Parking Enforcement Officer. One of the most interesting jobs I have ever had. Got to do " stake-outs " and everything. I had really bad tow truck karma after that. It sure was fun towing and giving tickets to cops and lawyers though. Rebekah <PS I like your handle too. If you become parking control officer we'll have to start calling you " Lovely Rita Meter Maid " . A step down in employment yes, but a nifty moniker a la Lennon/McCartney. That song always makes me feel good, especially that crisp little guitar intro interspersed with that lovely echoed " aaaaaaaaaahhhhh " .> That's " aaaaaaaaaahhhhh " not " AAAAAAARRRGGHHH " , Kim. :^) No disrespect towards AAAAAAARRGGGHH or anything, it just think the Lennon/McCartney version works better in that particular song. That said, keep up the good AAARRGGH! Click Here! <http://clickhere./click/423> eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free </group/12-step-free> www. <> - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 railroadrita@... wrote: Also, for all you moderating > drinkers: we are commanded to drink 4 glasses of wine at the seder! Hi Rita Thankfully it falls into the Moderation Management guideline of no more than four drinks in a given day should I need to convert to Judaism. Phew, that was a close one! PS I like your handle too. If you become parking control officer we'll have to start calling you " Lovely Rita Meter Maid " . A step down in employment yes, but a nifty moniker a la Lennon/McCartney. That song always makes me feel good, especially that crisp little guitar intro interspersed with that lovely echoed " aaaaaaaaaahhhhh " . That's " aaaaaaaaaahhhhh " not " AAAAAAARRRGGHHH " , Kim. :^) No disrespect towards AAAAAAARRGGGHH or anything, it just think the Lennon/McCartney version works better in that particular song. That said, keep up the good AAARRGGH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 No offense was intended by my question, please do not take any. I simply asked because I had a number of Jewish friends in high school and college (I was not raised in any religion at all), and I was fairly well acquainted with the holidays and so forth, but my fortitude was tried when I had a boyfriend (Buzz), a roommate (Harriet) with a brother (Eddie). Harriet was about 23 and Eddie was 16, and they had been raised to be Orthodox. Harriet decided that was nonsense, and when Eddie was sent to visit her, she decided that she would not encourage his devotions and she would not keep kosher. Buzz and I believed this would be cruel, so we took a crash course in keeping kosher. We bought lots of paper plates and went to a special butcher. Harriet thought we were being silly, but didn't interfere. I can't tell you the number of occasions on which we cringed, realizing that Eddie shouldn't have had a cookie after eating meat ( " Does he know there's milk in cookies? " " Probably not, let's not say anything. Just try to keep them away after the next time. " ) We ate in the kitchen, and the front room was off it on one side and the back porch on the other, and tons of times Buzz would head one way and I would head the other, and we were thinking " Oh, no, we screwed up again, just don't let Eddie know, don't talk about it in front of him! " I hope he never did realize how ineffectual we were, or if he did, that he realized we did the best we could. <7o8ch3$d2a-egroups> wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6927 > Kayleigh S wrote: > > > > > Are you Orthodox, Rita? > > > ------------------------------- > > (Splutter, choke) Heavens me, no. The Frummehs (Orthodox) do not > accept the concept of allowing the beauty of an age-old culture and its > literature and traditions to be inspirational, while growing with the > times... They have thousands of " just-so " rules for EVERYTHING (even > sex!) that are based on antiquated ideas that are often unworkable and > just plain ridiculous in modern times. > > No, I do it Reform-style. Reform Judaism keeps the ageless > practices and philosophy of Judaism without insisting on ludicrous > things as do the Orthodox (like walking up umpteen flights of stairs on > Shabbat, the day of rest, if you live in a tall building because using > an elevator would be both " operating machinery " and using electricity, > i.e. " kindling a flame " , both forbidden by the ancients on the day of > rest). The Frummehs in Israel are wreaking havoc there, attacking > non-Orthodox Israelis (who make up 90% of the population) for driving > cars on Shabbat or (G-d forbid!) praying in mixed-gender groups at the > Wailing Wall. > > I won't even get into the Frummeh notions of women's > " uncleanness " ... > > ~Rita > > ------------------- > > wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6 863 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You write frequently of traditions > > > >in the Jewish faith and though I'm not hands on familiar with them, > > I'm not > > > >ignorant of them. One year our Bible study class sponsored a > > Sedar(sp?) > > > >meal on Maunday Thursday. This was the Last Supper of Christ and > > correct me > > > >if I'm wrong, the meal of Passover? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 At 05:21 PM 8/3/99 -0700, you wrote: >I thought that the Last Supper was a seder as well, hence the >unleavened wafers and wine that Christians have during Communion. > >Are you Orthodox, Rita? > Yes the Last Supper was the Seder; Jesus was a Jew, and observing the start of Passover. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hi all, Actually, it is still hotly debated in theological circles if the Last Supper was a Seder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 There are lots and lots of Christians who would prefer to believe that Jesus was not a Jew. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6960 > > Hi all, > Actually, it is still hotly debated in theological circles if the Last > Supper was a Seder. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:03:44 -0700 kayleighs@... wrote: > There are lots and lots of Christians who would prefer to believe that > Jesus was not a Jew. and some who dont even know that he was. I had one guy tell me with excitement " Jesus wasnt even English you know " . Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Let me rephrase -- There are lots and lots of Christians who would prefer to believe that Jesus was not a Jew, hence they cannot believe that the Last Supper was a seder. Okay? wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6994 > At 07:03 PM 8/4/99 -0700, you wrote: > >There are lots and lots of Christians who would prefer to believe that > >Jesus was not a Jew. > > > > There are lots of Christians who would prefer to believe that Jesus' mother > had no carnal knowledge. > > ?? > > C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 At 05:33 PM 8/4/99 EDT, you wrote: > > Hi all, > Actually, it is still hotly debated in theological circles if the Last >Supper was a Seder. > > HUH where ..the statement needs a reference. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 At 07:03 PM 8/4/99 -0700, you wrote: >There are lots and lots of Christians who would prefer to believe that >Jesus was not a Jew. > There are lots of Christians who would prefer to believe that Jesus' mother had no carnal knowledge. ?? C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 You got that right!! Validates their anti-Semitism activities (see what those Jews did to our leader) Jan Re: White Majority? (Rio) >There are lots and lots of Christians who would prefer to believe that >Jesus was not a Jew. > > wrote: >original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6960 >> >> Hi all, >> Actually, it is still hotly debated in theological circles if >the Last >> Supper was a Seder. >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, >NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9% FIXED APR. Apply online today! >http://clickhere./click/606 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 You got that right!! Validates their anti-Semitism activities (see what those Jews did to our leader) Jan Re: White Majority? (Rio) >There are lots and lots of Christians who would prefer to believe that >Jesus was not a Jew. > > wrote: >original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6960 >> >> Hi all, >> Actually, it is still hotly debated in theological circles if >the Last >> Supper was a Seder. >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, >NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9% FIXED APR. Apply online today! >http://clickhere./click/606 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Hi, about the Last Supper question....I was a relgious studies minor at Adelphi University where Theologian Dr. Rev. Fenelly pointed out that many scholars beleive that the Last Supper may have been a meal during the Passover period, but may not have been a sedar. As is usual in these debates, what theologians debate very slowly makes it to churches. For example, when I casuallyremarked that the Last Supper was a sedar, my pastor said, " you know there is no proof it was a sedar. " (Rev Olivia Holmes Unitarian Universalist Forgein office) I could dig up more sources if you like, but I am content to accept that the Last Suppermay not have been a sedar...I guess it is not all that important to me, not being a Christian..so I guess if interests you at all, you will have to go look it up. If I stumble arcross anything, I promise to post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Hi again, It is absurd to argue that Jesus was not a Jew. The question of if the sedar was just another passover meal is another question..Imean Jews eat all year do they no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Hi again, It is absurd to argue that Jesus was not a Jew. The question of if the sedar was just another passover meal is another question..Imean Jews eat all year do they no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Hi again, It is absurd to argue that Jesus was not a Jew. The question of if the sedar was just another passover meal is another question..Imean Jews eat all year do they no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 List, It is late here. I just noticed that I mispelled seder several times. I hav eot admit I am no typist. And I just EXCAIMED it to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry for this typos, I am trying to improve, though.... PS...can I spellcheck emails? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 List, It is late here. I just noticed that I mispelled seder several times. I hav eot admit I am no typist. And I just EXCAIMED it to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry for this typos, I am trying to improve, though.... PS...can I spellcheck emails? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 , I guess it depends on your email program. I have Outlook Express which I can choose to do a spelling check or not. Tonight it's as moody as I am though. I sent out something earlier and it skipped the spellcheck. Sent something else out and it checked it. Jan Re: White Majority? (Rio) >List, > It is late here. I just noticed that I mispelled seder several times. I >hav eot admit I am no typist. And I just EXCAIMED it to >everyone!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry for this typos, I am trying to improve, though.... > >PS...can I spellcheck emails? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere./click/630 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 , I guess it depends on your email program. I have Outlook Express which I can choose to do a spelling check or not. Tonight it's as moody as I am though. I sent out something earlier and it skipped the spellcheck. Sent something else out and it checked it. Jan Re: White Majority? (Rio) >List, > It is late here. I just noticed that I mispelled seder several times. I >hav eot admit I am no typist. And I just EXCAIMED it to >everyone!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry for this typos, I am trying to improve, though.... > >PS...can I spellcheck emails? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere./click/630 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 , I guess it depends on your email program. I have Outlook Express which I can choose to do a spelling check or not. Tonight it's as moody as I am though. I sent out something earlier and it skipped the spellcheck. Sent something else out and it checked it. Jan Re: White Majority? (Rio) >List, > It is late here. I just noticed that I mispelled seder several times. I >hav eot admit I am no typist. And I just EXCAIMED it to >everyone!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry for this typos, I am trying to improve, though.... > >PS...can I spellcheck emails? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere./click/630 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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