Re: dairy and opioid peptides question

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In a message dated 9/20/2002 6:49:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

forestbedell@... writes:

<< I do have a burning question for you.....Can you please tell me

where you read about opioid peptides and dairy products. Are you

also on a low salt diet? Today I had bacon and also some blackberry

jam. My pulse today was above l00. What is your average blood

pressure and pulse...or at least give me the variations >>

Hi, Isabelle,

I read about the opioid peptides right here in this group in a message from

Angus, a former afibber who lives in New Zealand, I think. He told the group

that he had eliminated afib by eliminating all forms of dairy products from

his diet. He explained that the opioid peptides in dairy products attach

themselves to receptors for the vagus nerve, the chief culprit in causing

vagal afib. When the opioids reach the small intestine during the digestive

process, they begin to cause trouble. Apparently it's a complicated

mechanism which involves the immune system when the immune system identifies

the opioids as foreign invaders, I think perhaps in much the same way the

immune system attacks allergens as foreign invaders, although this last part

is my interpretation. Actually Angus said the whole idea is theory, but as

far as I'm concerned it's a fact for me that eliminating dairy has made a big

difference. Angus could explain it much better than I, but I don't think he

visits this board often now that afib is no longer a problem for him. His

information was immensely valuable to me as was his encouragement when I saw

my afib worsening about three months after quitting dairy. When he said that

it had taken him eight months to reach the point where his afib disappeared,

I was encouraged to persist through the more frequent afib episodes because

the same thing had happened to him. Our experience was also identical in

other ways, such as reappearance of old problem, joint aches, etc. I will

probably continue my visits here even if I, too, manage to avoid afib because

I want to repay by helping others the tremendous favor I received through

this group in learning information here that has helped me so much.

I am on a low-salt diet mainly because the Verapamil which I take seems to

cause water retention in me and many other individuals. If I eat no salt, I

have no problem. I use salt substitute, potassium chloride, instead of salt.

If I were to eat bacon and blackberry jam, I'm nearly certain that I would

quickly find myself back in afib again. I avoid high acid foods

(blackberries) and foods high in preservatives like sulfates (bacon). My

diet is extremely simple and limited, with no sugar or saturated fats. It's

also very boring, but that's all right because I regard food as a means to

health rather than a source of enjoyment. I simply cut out everything which

seemed to be causing afib and was left without very much variety! (I do take

many vitamin and mineral supplements.) For a time I worried that my limited

diet would cause deficiencies, but in a recent physical my blood test results

were better than ever, showing improvement in many areas such as cholesterol.

Of course, that doesn't mean that my limited diet would be appropriate for

others. I think each person has to keep records and try to determine which

particular foods may be afib triggers because it's different for everyone. I

seem to have found a way of eating that works for me and gives me energy and

stamina.

My blood pressure average is about 120/70 and pulse ranges from 60 resting to

about 120 exercising. Because of the Atenolol and Verapamil I take, my

exercise pulse won't go higher than that. When I am in afib, my pulse is

slightly higher, but my blood pressure doesn't seem to rise.

I'm glad to know that my posts have been helpful to you, and I hope I have

answered your questions adequately.

in sinus in Seattle (Day 121)

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Isabelle,

When I wrote my previous note to you, I hadn't noticed the message from Angus

on the board. Apparently he does still visit this group! When he said to

notice whether my doubt that I will stay out of afib is peaking every 11-14

days, I think he is referring to the fact that for the past three years until

recently, my afib episodes occurred on a regular cycle of every 11-14 days.

This cyclical theory may not apply to you, however, since I think you said

that you are in chronic afib or a-flutter? Still you might pay attention to

variations of any sort and see if there is a cyclical pattern.

Best wishes,

in sinus in Seattle (Day 121)

[Guest guest]

It is more likely to be the nitrites in bacon (the preservatives) that

caused you high heart rate. BAcon is an absolute no no for me. Also the jam

is very high in sugar and if you are susceptible to any form of hypoglycemia

(many Afibbers are and also beta blockers an other meds mask the signs of

this) and will also put your heart rate up.

Might help you

Fran

Today I had bacon and also some blackberry

> jam. My pulse today was above l00. What is your average blood

> pressure and pulse...or at least give me the variations. Mine is

> 90/60 now and sometimes it is ll2/77, and pulse between 52 and l09.

> When I eat more salt it seems to go above l00. Regards from

> land and I always send you good wishes and also appreciate your

> replies. Isabelle

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It is more likely to be the nitrites in bacon (the preservatives) that

caused you high heart rate. BAcon is an absolute no no for me. Also the jam

is very high in sugar and if you are susceptible to any form of hypoglycemia

(many Afibbers are and also beta blockers an other meds mask the signs of

this) and will also put your heart rate up.

Might help you

Fran

Today I had bacon and also some blackberry

> jam. My pulse today was above l00. What is your average blood

> pressure and pulse...or at least give me the variations. Mine is

> 90/60 now and sometimes it is ll2/77, and pulse between 52 and l09.

> When I eat more salt it seems to go above l00. Regards from

> land and I always send you good wishes and also appreciate your

> replies. Isabelle

>

>

>

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be acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is more likely to be the nitrites in bacon (the preservatives) that

caused you high heart rate. BAcon is an absolute no no for me. Also the jam

is very high in sugar and if you are susceptible to any form of hypoglycemia

(many Afibbers are and also beta blockers an other meds mask the signs of

this) and will also put your heart rate up.

Might help you

Fran

Today I had bacon and also some blackberry

> jam. My pulse today was above l00. What is your average blood

> pressure and pulse...or at least give me the variations. Mine is

> 90/60 now and sometimes it is ll2/77, and pulse between 52 and l09.

> When I eat more salt it seems to go above l00. Regards from

> land and I always send you good wishes and also appreciate your

> replies. Isabelle

>

>

>

> Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport

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be acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fran: Thanks for your reply. Two valid points about nitrates in

bacon and sugar in jam which help me to know how to deal better

with my condition and I am hypoglycemic. I usually don't eat

anything sweet until after l2 noon. Thanks again for your input.

Isabelle

ore

> It is more likely to be the nitrites in bacon (the preservatives)

that

> caused you high heart rate. BAcon is an absolute no no for me.

Also the jam

> is very high in sugar and if you are susceptible to any form of

hypoglycemia

> (many Afibbers are and also beta blockers an other meds mask the

signs of

> this) and will also put your heart rate up.

>

> Might help you

>

> Fran

> Today I had bacon and also some blackberry

> > jam. My pulse today was above l00. What is your average blood

> > pressure and pulse...or at least give me the variations. Mine is

> > 90/60 now and sometimes it is ll2/77, and pulse between 52 and

l09.

> > When I eat more salt it seems to go above l00. Regards from

> > land and I always send you good wishes and also appreciate

your

> > replies. Isabelle

> >

> >

> >

> > Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport

> > FAQ -

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.ht

m

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> > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice,

or should

> be acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Isabelle

I just read your post about taking glucose tablets for HG. This will

actually make the condition worse. The reason is that the glucose tablet

will cause your blood sugar to go up (for sure) but will also precipitate a

crash when it has worn off. What a hypoglycemic should aim to do is keep

their blood sugar stable.

The generally accepted way of dealing with this is to eat protein and fat

with every meal. And eat *nothing* with sugar in it. Even honey and the

natural sugars found in fruit etc should be kept low. Some hypoglkycemics

cannot even tolerate fruit. Keep to low glycemic foods at all costs. And

always eat some fat and protein with any complex carbs you have for a meal

or snack.

This is what I have been working on. I spoke to my Dr about it who gave me a

blood glucose monitoring kit to borrow. He also advised taking glucose

tablets. But if you read thé literature this is totally the wrong thing to

do. We are not diabetic. Even though we both go hypoglycemic. We do have the

insulin to get rid of it and hence crash again. The diabetics don't.

There are some good web sites about. If you want to know more I will forward

them to you.

Best of luck

Fran

Re: dairy and opioid peptides question

> Fran: Thanks for your reply. Two valid points about nitrates in

> bacon and sugar in jam which help me to know how to deal better

> with my condition and I am hypoglycemic. I usually don't eat

> anything sweet until after l2 noon. Thanks again for your input.

> Isabelle

>

>

>

>

> ore

> > It is more likely to be the nitrites in bacon (the preservatives)

> that

> > caused you high heart rate. BAcon is an absolute no no for me.

> Also the jam

> > is very high in sugar and if you are susceptible to any form of

> hypoglycemia

> > (many Afibbers are and also beta blockers an other meds mask the

> signs of

> > this) and will also put your heart rate up.

> >

> > Might help you

> >

> > Fran

> > Today I had bacon and also some blackberry

> > > jam. My pulse today was above l00. What is your average blood

> > > pressure and pulse...or at least give me the variations. Mine is

> > > 90/60 now and sometimes it is ll2/77, and pulse between 52 and

> l09.

> > > When I eat more salt it seems to go above l00. Regards from

> > > land and I always send you good wishes and also appreciate

> your

> > > replies. Isabelle

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport

> > > FAQ -

> >

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.ht

> m

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> > >

> > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice,

> or should

> > be acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Isabelle

I just read your post about taking glucose tablets for HG. This will

actually make the condition worse. The reason is that the glucose tablet

will cause your blood sugar to go up (for sure) but will also precipitate a

crash when it has worn off. What a hypoglycemic should aim to do is keep

their blood sugar stable.

The generally accepted way of dealing with this is to eat protein and fat

with every meal. And eat *nothing* with sugar in it. Even honey and the

natural sugars found in fruit etc should be kept low. Some hypoglkycemics

cannot even tolerate fruit. Keep to low glycemic foods at all costs. And

always eat some fat and protein with any complex carbs you have for a meal

or snack.

This is what I have been working on. I spoke to my Dr about it who gave me a

blood glucose monitoring kit to borrow. He also advised taking glucose

tablets. But if you read thé literature this is totally the wrong thing to

do. We are not diabetic. Even though we both go hypoglycemic. We do have the

insulin to get rid of it and hence crash again. The diabetics don't.

There are some good web sites about. If you want to know more I will forward

them to you.

Best of luck

Fran

Re: dairy and opioid peptides question

> Fran: Thanks for your reply. Two valid points about nitrates in

> bacon and sugar in jam which help me to know how to deal better

> with my condition and I am hypoglycemic. I usually don't eat

> anything sweet until after l2 noon. Thanks again for your input.

> Isabelle

>

>

>

>

> ore

> > It is more likely to be the nitrites in bacon (the preservatives)

> that

> > caused you high heart rate. BAcon is an absolute no no for me.

> Also the jam

> > is very high in sugar and if you are susceptible to any form of

> hypoglycemia

> > (many Afibbers are and also beta blockers an other meds mask the

> signs of

> > this) and will also put your heart rate up.

> >

> > Might help you

> >

> > Fran

> > Today I had bacon and also some blackberry

> > > jam. My pulse today was above l00. What is your average blood

> > > pressure and pulse...or at least give me the variations. Mine is

> > > 90/60 now and sometimes it is ll2/77, and pulse between 52 and

> l09.

> > > When I eat more salt it seems to go above l00. Regards from

> > > land and I always send you good wishes and also appreciate

> your

> > > replies. Isabelle

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport

> > > FAQ -

> >

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.ht

> m

> > > For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af

> > > Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe@y...

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> email,

> > > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help@y...

> > >

> > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice,

> or should

> > be acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

> > >

> > >