Re: Catching Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's post

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My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that is) eventually drank, smoked,

and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes! Never was able to be of much

help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest child in the family, but it re

mains to me how such an intelligent, charming, attractive person can have got

herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to horrible husbands, all ending in

divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just determined to do herself in! This

is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family members or spouse and older

children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this Love to all on our list who are

coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love, n

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My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that is) eventually drank, smoked,

and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes! Never was able to be of much

help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest child in the family, but it re

mains to me how such an intelligent, charming, attractive person can have got

herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to horrible husbands, all ending in

divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just determined to do herself in! This

is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family members or spouse and older

children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this Love to all on our list who are

coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love, n

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My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that is) eventually drank, smoked,

and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes! Never was able to be of much

help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest child in the family, but it re

mains to me how such an intelligent, charming, attractive person can have got

herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to horrible husbands, all ending in

divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just determined to do herself in! This

is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family members or spouse and older

children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this Love to all on our list who are

coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love, n

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n dahling...

Love to you and your strength for all you've been

through.

I know al-anon helps many, I went to a meeting and it

was all " my drunk is worse then your drunk " and one

person actually told me I was LUCKY because " my " drunk

was dead!

So on the basis of that, I kinda decided that al-anon

was maybe not for me?

Love you all!

Akiba

--- n Rojas wrote:

> My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that

> is) eventually drank, smoked,

> and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes!

> Never was able to be of much

> help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest

> child in the family, but it re

> mains to me how such an intelligent, charming,

> attractive person can have got

> herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to

> horrible husbands, all ending in

> divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just

> determined to do herself in! This

> is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family

> members or spouse and older

> children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this

> Love to all on our list who are

> coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love,

> n

~*~ Akiba~*~

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n dahling...

Love to you and your strength for all you've been

through.

I know al-anon helps many, I went to a meeting and it

was all " my drunk is worse then your drunk " and one

person actually told me I was LUCKY because " my " drunk

was dead!

So on the basis of that, I kinda decided that al-anon

was maybe not for me?

Love you all!

Akiba

--- n Rojas wrote:

> My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that

> is) eventually drank, smoked,

> and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes!

> Never was able to be of much

> help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest

> child in the family, but it re

> mains to me how such an intelligent, charming,

> attractive person can have got

> herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to

> horrible husbands, all ending in

> divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just

> determined to do herself in! This

> is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family

> members or spouse and older

> children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this

> Love to all on our list who are

> coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love,

> n

~*~ Akiba~*~

Pragmatic Visionary

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Love to you, Kate! I do hope that things perk up, at least somewhat, for you,

and soon. I decided by the time I was a teen-ager that my sister could not be

influenced by anyone, and she would not be--but I used it as an example; she

passed a long time ago, and mercifully, peacefully, for which I am grateful.

Thank you for your sweet post, Kate, but my main concern on this list is the

members of our group, and that means you, too! Fingers crossed, love, n

Re: Catching Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's postTo: MSersLife > My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that is) > eventually drank, smoked,> and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes! Never was > able to be of much> help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest child in the > family, but it re> mains to me how such an intelligent, charming, attractive person > can have got> herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to horrible > husbands, all ending in> divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just determined to > do herself in! This> is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family members or > spouse and older> children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this Love to all on > our list who are> coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love, n > Recharge Your Chi! Believe and Achieve! Dreams are Worth Striving For! 10 lbs down, 40 to go! Ask me~I'm on Fire! ians 4:13 I can do all things through Crhist who gives me strength.

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Love to you, Kate! I do hope that things perk up, at least somewhat, for you,

and soon. I decided by the time I was a teen-ager that my sister could not be

influenced by anyone, and she would not be--but I used it as an example; she

passed a long time ago, and mercifully, peacefully, for which I am grateful.

Thank you for your sweet post, Kate, but my main concern on this list is the

members of our group, and that means you, too! Fingers crossed, love, n

Re: Catching Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's postTo: MSersLife > My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that is) > eventually drank, smoked,> and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes! Never was > able to be of much> help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest child in the > family, but it re> mains to me how such an intelligent, charming, attractive person > can have got> herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to horrible > husbands, all ending in> divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just determined to > do herself in! This> is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family members or > spouse and older> children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this Love to all on > our list who are> coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love, n > Recharge Your Chi! Believe and Achieve! Dreams are Worth Striving For! 10 lbs down, 40 to go! Ask me~I'm on Fire! ians 4:13 I can do all things through Crhist who gives me strength.

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Hey WHAT were you doing UP at 4 or so AM? Thank you for your lovely reply, n. I feel that you are a precious 'sage' here...you see I'm not calling you old or anything of the sort, but a woman who has lived a full life, and has had SO many different and varied experiences and jobs, and an amazing number of life/family/CF/MS et al stories...and I always get something from your posts...I also appreciate your good sense of humor and wisdom....blessings and hugs, kate Re: Catching > Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's post> To: MSersLife > > > My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that is) > > eventually drank, smoked,> > and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes! Never > was > > able to be of much> > help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest child in the > > family, but it re> > mains to me how such an intelligent, charming, attractive > person > > can have got> > herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to horrible > > husbands, all ending in> > divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just determined > to > > do herself in! This> > is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family members or > > spouse and older> > children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this Love to all > on > > our list who are> > coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love, n > > > > > Recharge Your Chi! Believe and Achieve! Dreams are Worth > Striving For! > 10 lbs down, 40 to go! Ask me~I'm on Fire! > ians 4:13 I can do all things through Crhist who gives > me strength.> > > > Recharge Your Chi! Believe and Achieve! Dreams are Worth Striving For!

10 lbs down, 40 to go! Ask me~I'm on Fire!

ians 4:13 I can do all things through Crhist who gives me strength.

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Well, i suppose it is about finding just the 'right' group/meeting for you. You see, as far as Alanon is concerned, there are many different meetings comprised of very different approaches sometimes. Thurs. eve. I went to 2 back-to back meetings. The first, a beginners, the second a regular meeting. Of both the meetings, 90% were women, whose spouse was an alcoholic, and the other 10% were men whose wives were. From there, about 92 or slightly more % had left their spouses. As a matter of fact, one man was divorced and had custody of the kids. I found most of the people leave the situation. What ANY of the 12 steps programs are about are learning to see/get a handle on what is YOUR behavior/reaction to the 'drunk or user' and to understand and learn what is NOT in your control, for example--I cannot control my husband's addiction, rage, mood, temperment , etc. but I CAN chose HOW I react or NOT react to his crap! I am trying really hard to focus on this principle, as well as--One Day at a time! bless you all that have been touched or impacted by this horrible disease of any type of addiction. kate Re: Catching > Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's post> > > > What I couldn't handle with the Al-anon group I went to was > that they had that stand by your man mentality and that we were > suppossed to support and nurture him no matter what. Went to one > meeting.> '> > Akiba Michels wrote:> n dahling...> Love to you and your strength for all you've been> through.> I know al-anon helps many, I went to a meeting and it> was all "my drunk is worse then your drunk" and one> person actually told me I was LUCKY because "my" drunk> was dead!> So on the basis of that, I kinda decided that al-anon> was maybe not for me?> Love you all!> Akiba> --- n Rojas wrote:> > > My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that> > is) eventually drank, smoked,> > and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes! > > Never was able to be of much> > help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest> > child in the family, but it re> > mains to me how such an intelligent, charming,> > attractive person can have got> > herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to> > horrible husbands, all ending in> > divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just> > determined to do herself in! This> > is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family> > members or spouse and older> > children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this > > Love to all on our list who are> > coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love,> > n > > ~*~ Akiba~*~ > Pragmatic Visionary> > __________________________________________________________> Cheap talk?> Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.> http://voice.yahoo.com> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------> -------------> Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more > powerful email and get things done faster.> > > Recharge Your Chi! Believe and Achieve! Dreams are Worth Striving For!

10 lbs down, 40 to go! Ask me~I'm on Fire!

ians 4:13 I can do all things through Crhist who gives me strength.

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Well, i suppose it is about finding just the 'right' group/meeting for you. You see, as far as Alanon is concerned, there are many different meetings comprised of very different approaches sometimes. Thurs. eve. I went to 2 back-to back meetings. The first, a beginners, the second a regular meeting. Of both the meetings, 90% were women, whose spouse was an alcoholic, and the other 10% were men whose wives were. From there, about 92 or slightly more % had left their spouses. As a matter of fact, one man was divorced and had custody of the kids. I found most of the people leave the situation. What ANY of the 12 steps programs are about are learning to see/get a handle on what is YOUR behavior/reaction to the 'drunk or user' and to understand and learn what is NOT in your control, for example--I cannot control my husband's addiction, rage, mood, temperment , etc. but I CAN chose HOW I react or NOT react to his crap! I am trying really hard to focus on this principle, as well as--One Day at a time! bless you all that have been touched or impacted by this horrible disease of any type of addiction. kate Re: Catching > Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's post> > > > What I couldn't handle with the Al-anon group I went to was > that they had that stand by your man mentality and that we were > suppossed to support and nurture him no matter what. Went to one > meeting.> '> > Akiba Michels wrote:> n dahling...> Love to you and your strength for all you've been> through.> I know al-anon helps many, I went to a meeting and it> was all "my drunk is worse then your drunk" and one> person actually told me I was LUCKY because "my" drunk> was dead!> So on the basis of that, I kinda decided that al-anon> was maybe not for me?> Love you all!> Akiba> --- n Rojas wrote:> > > My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that> > is) eventually drank, smoked,> > and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes! > > Never was able to be of much> > help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest> > child in the family, but it re> > mains to me how such an intelligent, charming,> > attractive person can have got> > herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to> > horrible husbands, all ending in> > divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just> > determined to do herself in! This> > is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family> > members or spouse and older> > children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this > > Love to all on our list who are> > coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love,> > n > > ~*~ Akiba~*~ > Pragmatic Visionary> > __________________________________________________________> Cheap talk?> Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.> http://voice.yahoo.com> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------> -------------> Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more > powerful email and get things done faster.> > > Recharge Your Chi! Believe and Achieve! Dreams are Worth Striving For!

10 lbs down, 40 to go! Ask me~I'm on Fire!

ians 4:13 I can do all things through Crhist who gives me strength.

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Sweetie WHERE do I even *imply* that YOU might be

naive? You? Never!! You're one of the wisest people I

know! Honest and for true you are!

Naive? *shakes head in wonder*

Hugs

Akiba

--- n Rojas wrote:

> Akiba, I am not totally naive, and my sister died

> long ago. See my more recent

> post on this--oddly, Narcotics Anonymous is better

> at teaching one not to

> " enable " the family member(s) with " the habit! "

> Love, loves, n

> Re: Catching

> Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's post

>

>

> n dahling...

> Love to you and your strength for all you've been

> through.

> I know al-anon helps many, I went to a meeting and

> it

> was all " my drunk is worse then your drunk " and

> one

> person actually told me I was LUCKY because " my "

> drunk

> was dead!

> So on the basis of that, I kinda decided that

> al-anon

> was maybe not for me?

> Love you all!

> Akiba

> --- n Rojas wrote:

>

> > My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids

> that

> > is) eventually drank, smoked,

> > and killed herself by ignoring her Type I

> diabetes!

> > Never was able to be of much

> > help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest

> > child in the family, but it re

> > mains to me how such an intelligent, charming,

> > attractive person can have got

> > herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to

> > horrible husbands, all ending in

> > divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact

> just

> > determined to do herself in! This

> > is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the

> family

> > members or spouse and older

> > children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this

> > Love to all on our list who are

> > coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love,

> > n

>

> ~*~ Akiba~*~

> Pragmatic Visionary

>

>

>

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Kate; I am NEVER up at 4:00 a.m.! I live on the West Coast, and am usually

in bed by 2:00. Sometimes sleep until noon--the benefit of retirement. I also

have cystic fibrosis and Stanford is just plain dizzy with pride to have someone

so OLD by the cystic fibrosis standard attending their clinics! In reality, many

with both CF and MS do live to great old age, and I am planning on it. I look

quite young--I think there is photo of me in the photos section of the website

for this group--painfully young, such that when I go places with my dear friend

who also has MS, diabetes, the works, people ask me whether she is my mother! She is ten months older than me. I keep trying to get her to get better

medical care, as I do think that is a large part of it for me. My father had MS, too, and rode on into the last month of his 95th year! My mother, who had a host

of things wrong had no trouble passing 102.5, when she finally went peacefully

in her sleep. Now I get to ask YOU what you are doing up at what the post says

is 5:34 a.m.? Love and hope; we are pulling for you, n

Re: Catching > Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's post> To: MSersLife > > > My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that is) > > eventually drank, smoked,> > and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes! Never > was > > able to be of much> > help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest child in the > > family, but it re> > mains to me how such an intelligent, charming, attractive > person > > can have got> > herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to horrible > > husbands, all ending in> > divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just determined > to > > do herself in! This> > is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family members or > > spouse and older> > children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this Love to all > on > > our list who are> > coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love, n > > > > > Recharge Your Chi! Believe and Achieve! Dreams are Worth > Striving For! > 10 lbs down, 40 to go! Ask me~I'm on Fire! > ians 4:13 I can do all things through Crhist who gives > me strength.> > > > Recharge Your Chi! Believe and Achieve! Dreams are Worth Striving For! 10 lbs down, 40 to go! Ask me~I'm on Fire! ians 4:13 I can do all things through Crhist who gives me strength.

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Akiba, that WAS ironic humour! Love in heaps, and I get to say that because

I was born in Michigan, more love, more n--sorry, er....uh! (gulp!)

Re: Catching> Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's post> > > n dahling...> Love to you and your strength for all you've been> through.> I know al-anon helps many, I went to a meeting and> it> was all "my drunk is worse then your drunk" and> one> person actually told me I was LUCKY because "my"> drunk> was dead!> So on the basis of that, I kinda decided that> al-anon> was maybe not for me?> Love you all!> Akiba> --- n Rojas <Rojas5915Comcast (DOT) net> wrote:> > > My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids> that> > is) eventually drank, smoked,> > and killed herself by ignoring her Type I> diabetes! > > Never was able to be of much> > help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest> > child in the family, but it re> > mains to me how such an intelligent, charming,> > attractive person can have got> > herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to> > horrible husbands, all ending in> > divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact> just> > determined to do herself in! This> > is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the> family> > members or spouse and older> > children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this > > Love to all on our list who are> > coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love,> > n > > ~*~ Akiba~*~ > Pragmatic Visionary> > >__________________________________________________________> Cheap talk?> Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call> rates.> http://voice.yahoo.com> > > ~*~ Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary__________________________________________________________Cheap talk?Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.http://voice.yahoo.com

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Akiba, that WAS ironic humour! Love in heaps, and I get to say that because

I was born in Michigan, more love, more n--sorry, er....uh! (gulp!)

Re: Catching> Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's post> > > n dahling...> Love to you and your strength for all you've been> through.> I know al-anon helps many, I went to a meeting and> it> was all "my drunk is worse then your drunk" and> one> person actually told me I was LUCKY because "my"> drunk> was dead!> So on the basis of that, I kinda decided that> al-anon> was maybe not for me?> Love you all!> Akiba> --- n Rojas <Rojas5915Comcast (DOT) net> wrote:> > > My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids> that> > is) eventually drank, smoked,> > and killed herself by ignoring her Type I> diabetes! > > Never was able to be of much> > help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest> > child in the family, but it re> > mains to me how such an intelligent, charming,> > attractive person can have got> > herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to> > horrible husbands, all ending in> > divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact> just> > determined to do herself in! This> > is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the> family> > members or spouse and older> > children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this > > Love to all on our list who are> > coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love,> > n > > ~*~ Akiba~*~ > Pragmatic Visionary> > >__________________________________________________________> Cheap talk?> Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call> rates.> http://voice.yahoo.com> > > ~*~ Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary__________________________________________________________Cheap talk?Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.http://voice.yahoo.com

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wow, this is WEIRD! Ok, there must be some bizarre glitch in the clock/time whatever "thingy" that copies the time on our emails! 'Cause i saw what time yours said, and it was incorrect, and i also am never up that early on weekends, though Mon-Fri i'm up at 6am...you know...get the kids breakfast, make sure they get UP !

I know so much about you, and i think you are such an amazing, inspirational person! Whoa your mom! That is truly amazing! I really need to get past this sick alcoholism...it is ruining our lives! It is so nice that he is not home yet...somewhat serene...not for long, unfortunately, however....love to you, n...kate Re: Catching > > Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's post> > To: MSersLife > > > > > My eldest sister (six of us in the family, kids that is) > > > eventually drank, smoked,> > > and killed herself by ignoring her Type I diabetes! Never > > was > > > able to be of much> > > help, being 14.5 years younger and the youngest child in > the > > > family, but it re> > > mains to me how such an intelligent, charming, attractive > > person > > > can have got> > > herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages to horrible > > > husbands, all ending in> > > divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact just > determined > > to > > > do herself in! This> > > is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the family members > or > > > spouse and older> > > children, though. I am so sorry to hear of this Love to > all > > on > > > our list who are> > > coping (or trying to cope) with this one, love, n > > > > > > > > > Recharge Your Chi! Believe and Achieve! Dreams are Worth > > Striving For! > > 10 lbs down, 40 to go! Ask me~I'm on Fire! > > ians 4:13 I can do all things through Crhist who > gives > > me strength.> > > > > > > > > > > Recharge Your Chi! Believe and Achieve! Dreams are Worth > Striving For! > 10 lbs down, 40 to go! Ask me~I'm on Fire! > ians 4:13 I can do all things through Crhist who gives > me strength.> > > > > Recharge Your Chi! Believe and Achieve! Dreams are Worth Striving For!

10 lbs down, 40 to go! Ask me~I'm on Fire!

ians 4:13 I can do all things through Crhist who gives me strength.

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Guess my humor radar was off...

And *I* was born in Miss, the SHOW ME state ROFL..

HUGS

Akiba

Off to make a portobello

mushroom/asparagus/onion/cheese (gotta have cheese!)

Fritatta for dinner...

--- n Rojas wrote:

> Akiba, that WAS ironic humour! Love in heaps, and I

> get to say that because

> I was born in Michigan, more love, more

> n--sorry, er....uh! (gulp!)

> Re: Catching

> > Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's post

> >

> >

> > n dahling...

> > Love to you and your strength for all you've

> been

> > through.

> > I know al-anon helps many, I went to a meeting

> and

> > it

> > was all " my drunk is worse then your drunk " and

> > one

> > person actually told me I was LUCKY because " my "

> > drunk

> > was dead!

> > So on the basis of that, I kinda decided that

> > al-anon

> > was maybe not for me?

> > Love you all!

> > Akiba

> > --- n Rojas wrote:

> >

> > > My eldest sister (six of us in the family,

> kids

> > that

> > > is) eventually drank, smoked,

> > > and killed herself by ignoring her Type I

> > diabetes!

> > > Never was able to be of much

> > > help, being 14.5 years younger and the

> youngest

> > > child in the family, but it re

> > > mains to me how such an intelligent, charming,

> > > attractive person can have got

> > > herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages

> to

> > > horrible husbands, all ending in

> > > divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact

> > just

> > > determined to do herself in! This

> > > is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the

> > family

> > > members or spouse and older

> > > children, though. I am so sorry to hear of

> this

> > > Love to all on our list who are

> > > coping (or trying to cope) with this one,

> love,

> > > n

> >

> > ~*~ Akiba~*~

> > Pragmatic Visionary

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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> >

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>

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> Pragmatic Visionary

>

>

>

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I do wish that I had dined at your house! Yummmmmmm! Love, n

Re: Catching> > Up/Venting/Alcoholism/response to Akiba's post> > > > > > n dahling...> > Love to you and your strength for all you've> been> > through.> > I know al-anon helps many, I went to a meeting> and> > it> > was all "my drunk is worse then your drunk" and> > one> > person actually told me I was LUCKY because "my"> > drunk> > was dead!> > So on the basis of that, I kinda decided that> > al-anon> > was maybe not for me?> > Love you all!> > Akiba> > --- n Rojas <Rojas5915Comcast (DOT) net> wrote:> > > > > My eldest sister (six of us in the family,> kids> > that> > > is) eventually drank, smoked,> > > and killed herself by ignoring her Type I> > diabetes! > > > Never was able to be of much> > > help, being 14.5 years younger and the> youngest> > > child in the family, but it re> > > mains to me how such an intelligent, charming,> > > attractive person can have got> > > herself into alcoholism, etc. Three marriages> to> > > horrible husbands, all ending in> > > divorce--it felt to me as if she was in fact> > just> > > determined to do herself in! This> > > is so hard. Alanon IS a good group for the> > family> > > members or spouse and older> > > children, though. I am so sorry to hear of> this > > > Love to all on our list who are> > > coping (or trying to cope) with this one,> love,> > > n > > > > ~*~ Akiba~*~ > > Pragmatic Visionary> > > > > >> >__________________________________________________________> > Cheap talk?> > Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone> call> > rates.> > http://voice.yahoo.com> > > > > > > > ~*~ Akiba~*~ > Pragmatic Visionary> > >__________________________________________________________> Cheap talk?> Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call> rates.> http://voice.yahoo.com> > > ~*~ Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary__________________________________________________________Want to start your own business?Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index