Guest guest Posted March 4, 2002 Report Share Posted March 4, 2002 My son (5, 40 lbs) has been quite hyper off and on for the past month. Usually when this has happened in the past, I've been able to figure out what the offending food/supplement is, but I'm stumped this time. He's been getting milk thistle (20 mg 3x daily) for about two months, and someone on another list told me her child and others she knew had experienced hyperactivity from milk thistle. Has anyone else experiiended this? I'd thought my son was doing well on it, but perhaps I've been giving him too much or for too long? I've also been trying to battle yeast lately, so that would be a logical explanation, except that when I stop giving the anti-yeast stuff for a few days (I've alternated between colloidal silver, GSE, ProBio Gold and gave one dose of Nystatin but it was so horrible-tasting I couldn't get any more down), he's still hyperactive. Other supplements I give: Vit C. (200 mg 4x day) 3 multivitamin Yummi Bears daily (I wonder if these are the culprit because they contain corn which we avoid, but he's been on them for many months with seemingly no problem, and they contain molybdenum, which I want, but each one also contain 15 mcg chromium, which my son has reacted to previously in a single stronger dose) Magnesium (usually 50 mg daily) ProCulture Gold (2 capsules) Casein-free colostrum (1 tsp) Calcium (500 mg) CLO (1/2 tsp transdermally) Flaxseed (try to get a tsp ground or 1/2 tsp liquid in daily) Vitase Digestion Formula (digestive enzyme) But I've been giving all these to him for months, nothing really new except the anti-yeast stuff. He does have phenol problems and gets daily epsom salt baths and sometimes the transdermal cream. I know the GSE is highly phenolic, but this hyperactivity started before I began using that...in fact, I figured since he's already hyper, I could use the GSE now and try to combat yeast since he couldn't get much more hyper. Stool alternates from constipation to loose and horrible smelling. He's also sleeping restlessly and seems to be urinating more frequently. No I'm not chelating (yet?) because his hair test seemed to come back not mercury toxic, though other things (dilated pupils, sensitivity to phenols, casein and gluten, extreme sensitivity to light) suggest he is mercury toxic, so I don't know what to do there, but that's the topic for another e-mail. Thanks for any ideas, Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2002 Report Share Posted March 4, 2002 Debbie, my son had been on about as much stuff as your for a year now, age 9 and 53 lbs. In the last few weeks he had become so excitable he was out of control, and we couldn't find it either. He had bouts of not being able to make it to the bathroom, despite being potty trained, and was wetting 5-6 times a day sometimes with in 15 minutes of each other. I did something crazy, I took away the vitamines for a week. I only gave him colustrum, tmg and clo and started ojobwa tea of life. I had tried it in the past but didn't think it was doing anything so I stopped it about a year ago. with in one week, he is a new child. He is calm, hands are undercontrol, he is no longer running around screaming, and best of all, no accidents. I am not sure but I honestly think I have been over vitamining him, if there is such a thing, and considering he was taking 27 things a day, sounds like it to me. I will slowely add one thing at a time and see what happends, but I am not going back to the amount he was on. I don't know maybe this is a fluke, but the child I took to therapy today sure was a perfect child, and everyone noticed. Hope this helps, cabbie Re: [ ] Why's my son hyper? > My son (5, 40 lbs) has been quite hyper off and on for the past month. > Usually when this has happened in the past, I've been able to figure out what > the offending food/supplement is, but I'm stumped this time. > > He's been getting milk thistle (20 mg 3x daily) for about two months, and > someone on another list told me her child and others she knew had experienced > hyperactivity from milk thistle. Has anyone else experiiended this? I'd > thought my son was doing well on it, but perhaps I've been giving him too > much or for too long? > > I've also been trying to battle yeast lately, so that would be a logical > explanation, except that when I stop giving the anti-yeast stuff for a few > days (I've alternated between colloidal silver, GSE, ProBio Gold and gave one > dose of Nystatin but it was so horrible-tasting I couldn't get any more > down), he's still hyperactive. > > Other supplements I give: > Vit C. (200 mg 4x day) > 3 multivitamin Yummi Bears daily (I wonder if these are the culprit because > they contain corn which we avoid, but he's been on them for many months with > seemingly no problem, and they contain molybdenum, which I want, but each one > also contain 15 mcg chromium, which my son has reacted to previously in a > single stronger dose) > Magnesium (usually 50 mg daily) > ProCulture Gold (2 capsules) > Casein-free colostrum (1 tsp) > Calcium (500 mg) > CLO (1/2 tsp transdermally) > Flaxseed (try to get a tsp ground or 1/2 tsp liquid in daily) > Vitase Digestion Formula (digestive enzyme) > > But I've been giving all these to him for months, nothing really new except > the anti-yeast stuff. > > He does have phenol problems and gets daily epsom salt baths and sometimes > the transdermal cream. I know the GSE is highly phenolic, but this > hyperactivity started before I began using that...in fact, I figured since > he's already hyper, I could use the GSE now and try to combat yeast since he > couldn't get much more hyper. > > Stool alternates from constipation to loose and horrible smelling. He's also > sleeping restlessly and seems to be urinating more frequently. > > No I'm not chelating (yet?) because his hair test seemed to come back not > mercury toxic, though other things (dilated pupils, sensitivity to phenols, > casein and gluten, extreme sensitivity to light) suggest he is mercury toxic, > so I don't know what to do there, but that's the topic for another e-mail. > > Thanks for any ideas, > Debbie > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2002 Report Share Posted March 4, 2002 Debbie, I don't have all the answers for you but my son (5, 50 lbs) gets hyper when he has yeast flareups, so maybe it has something to do with the yeast. A die off reaction or something? He also becomes hyper if he eats food made with yeast like EnerG pretzels or bread. Also, has he been eating anything new? Cranberries & blueberries make my son hyper (though he routinely begs for both). I have also noticed that his phenolic reactions seem to be cumulative, meaning maybe the first time wont' make him hyper but if I keep allowing him to eat the foods he will become increasingly hyper over the days. I recently started my son on Milk Thistle in preparation for chelation and I haven't seen any added hyperactivity. One thing I noticed that has calmed him down is magnesium throughout the day, cutting his B vitamins down (he was on the SNT hypoallergenic) though he still takes more than his 100% in the Kirkman everyday, and zinc at bedtime. I really am a big fan of the zinc! When previously he was bouncing off the walls long after I put him to bed he will now just settle down and go to sleep. Of course as I say this he is literally running laps around the house. AARG. hehehe Part of his problem is that he needs to go outside and PLAY! Suzanne, who is buying a swing set this summer on 3/4/02 8:15 AM, TwoTonks@... at TwoTonks@... wrote: My son (5, 40 lbs) has been quite hyper off and on for the past month. Usually when this has happened in the past, I've been able to figure out what the offending food/supplement is, but I'm stumped this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2002 Report Share Posted March 5, 2002 We think my son gets hyper from chocolate, among other things. He was calm Saturday, and had chocolate cake (GFCF) Sunday afternoon. Within minutes, he couldn't stop making noises. The next day at school, he wouldn't stay out of other people's faces and couldn't stop moving, which is not typical. Unfortunately, I fed him another piece because I didn't make the connection and he went all evening with the noises and body movements. Chocolate has lots of copper and I believe it also is on the high phenol list. Re: [ ] Why's my son hyper? > > > > My son (5, 40 lbs) has been quite hyper off and on for the past month. > > Usually when this has happened in the past, I've been able to figure out > what > > the offending food/supplement is, but I'm stumped this time. > > > > He's been getting milk thistle (20 mg 3x daily) for about two months, and > > someone on another list told me her child and others she knew had > experienced > > hyperactivity from milk thistle. Has anyone else experiiended this? I'd > > thought my son was doing well on it, but perhaps I've been giving him too > > much or for too long? > > > > I've also been trying to battle yeast lately, so that would be a logical > > explanation, except that when I stop giving the anti-yeast stuff for a few > > days (I've alternated between colloidal silver, GSE, ProBio Gold and gave > one > > dose of Nystatin but it was so horrible-tasting I couldn't get any more > > down), he's still hyperactive. > > > > Other supplements I give: > > Vit C. (200 mg 4x day) > > 3 multivitamin Yummi Bears daily (I wonder if these are the culprit > because > > they contain corn which we avoid, but he's been on them for many months > with > > seemingly no problem, and they contain molybdenum, which I want, but each > one > > also contain 15 mcg chromium, which my son has reacted to previously in a > > single stronger dose) > > Magnesium (usually 50 mg daily) > > ProCulture Gold (2 capsules) > > Casein-free colostrum (1 tsp) > > Calcium (500 mg) > > CLO (1/2 tsp transdermally) > > Flaxseed (try to get a tsp ground or 1/2 tsp liquid in daily) > > Vitase Digestion Formula (digestive enzyme) > > > > But I've been giving all these to him for months, nothing really new > except > > the anti-yeast stuff. > > > > He does have phenol problems and gets daily epsom salt baths and sometimes > > the transdermal cream. I know the GSE is highly phenolic, but this > > hyperactivity started before I began using that...in fact, I figured since > > he's already hyper, I could use the GSE now and try to combat yeast since > he > > couldn't get much more hyper. > > > > Stool alternates from constipation to loose and horrible smelling. He's > also > > sleeping restlessly and seems to be urinating more frequently. > > > > No I'm not chelating (yet?) because his hair test seemed to come back not > > mercury toxic, though other things (dilated pupils, sensitivity to > phenols, > > casein and gluten, extreme sensitivity to light) suggest he is mercury > toxic, > > so I don't know what to do there, but that's the topic for another e-mail. > > > > Thanks for any ideas, > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2002 Report Share Posted March 5, 2002 Congratulations Debbie:) Re: [ ] Why's my son hyper? > My son (5, 40 lbs) has been quite hyper off and on for the past month. > Usually when this has happened in the past, I've been able to figure out what > the offending food/supplement is, but I'm stumped this time. > > He's been getting milk thistle (20 mg 3x daily) for about two months, and > someone on another list told me her child and others she knew had experienced > hyperactivity from milk thistle. Has anyone else experiiended this? I'd > thought my son was doing well on it, but perhaps I've been giving him too > much or for too long? > > I've also been trying to battle yeast lately, so that would be a logical > explanation, except that when I stop giving the anti-yeast stuff for a few > days (I've alternated between colloidal silver, GSE, ProBio Gold and gave one > dose of Nystatin but it was so horrible-tasting I couldn't get any more > down), he's still hyperactive. > > Other supplements I give: > Vit C. (200 mg 4x day) > 3 multivitamin Yummi Bears daily (I wonder if these are the culprit because > they contain corn which we avoid, but he's been on them for many months with > seemingly no problem, and they contain molybdenum, which I want, but each one > also contain 15 mcg chromium, which my son has reacted to previously in a > single stronger dose) > Magnesium (usually 50 mg daily) > ProCulture Gold (2 capsules) > Casein-free colostrum (1 tsp) > Calcium (500 mg) > CLO (1/2 tsp transdermally) > Flaxseed (try to get a tsp ground or 1/2 tsp liquid in daily) > Vitase Digestion Formula (digestive enzyme) > > But I've been giving all these to him for months, nothing really new except > the anti-yeast stuff. > > He does have phenol problems and gets daily epsom salt baths and sometimes > the transdermal cream. I know the GSE is highly phenolic, but this > hyperactivity started before I began using that...in fact, I figured since > he's already hyper, I could use the GSE now and try to combat yeast since he > couldn't get much more hyper. > > Stool alternates from constipation to loose and horrible smelling. He's also > sleeping restlessly and seems to be urinating more frequently. > > No I'm not chelating (yet?) because his hair test seemed to come back not > mercury toxic, though other things (dilated pupils, sensitivity to phenols, > casein and gluten, extreme sensitivity to light) suggest he is mercury toxic, > so I don't know what to do there, but that's the topic for another e-mail. > > Thanks for any ideas, > Debbie > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2002 Report Share Posted March 5, 2002 Hi Debbie-- I think you are probably right in the combination of the yummi bears and possibly the GSE. Even though you have cut back down to just one yummi bear-- his body is already sensitized to them. My son -- we've talked off board-- is a lot like yours. My son could not take phyto-bears which are similar-- and now, even to give him one bear has him hyper within a half hour. My son is also sensitive to phenols, and if the GSE contains phenols, you have probably slowly been filling up his " bucket " so to speak (the analogy I've heard before)-- once that bucket is full, it will spill over. And even though the GSE contains a little-- over time, it adds up to a LOT. SO my advice would be to cut out the yummi bears completely. And cut out the GSE, and give him a couple of weeks off of it, and see if you see improvement. IF you do, then reintroduce the GSE on a rotation schedule-- like maybe one every four days, and see if he tolerates that... then up it from there. But even if you are able to increase his GSE... give him periodic breaks from it to allow his body to get rid of the phenol effect. RE: the foul smelling stool-- that can be from too much fats in the stool-- I think these kind float on the water in the toilet. If it sinks, then it is probably " food stagnation " , meaning, it is staying in the tract too long. And yes, yeast could also be aggravated right now because of the yummi bear/corn issue and the phenol issue-- if one thing isn't processing well, then another part of the body is bound to be affected. W > Hi, > > My son, 5, has been pretty hyper for the last three weeks or so and is > getting worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2002 Report Share Posted March 5, 2002 Debbie, I'm going to be no help here by saying it sounds like the problem could be yeast, die-off, phenols, or the supplements themselves. Whenever I couldn't figure out what was wrong with my son, I would simplify his diet to a few very " safe " foods, drop all supplements, then either add back a food or a supplement one at a time and observe changes. With all the supplements your child is taking, I think cutting back temporarily is an option worth considering. What enzymes is your son taking at what dose and for how long? That might explain part of the mystery. It's possible you need to reduce supplements now that the enzymes may be making them easier to absorb. How long has he had the constipation problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 The foul smelling stools can be either the waste backing up with the constipation, or bacteria overgrowth which is very common with constipation. I read the yeast really don't create a foul smell, maybe a little " yeasty " smell but not the rancid, putrid smell that we had here. We ended up treating the bacteria with 10 days of colloidal silver and I am immensely pleased to say it has not returned for months now. The hyperness could be yeast, phenols or other things. Of the list of supplements I noticed flax seeds. That can cause hyperness too, even negative aggression. As you go through 's idea of eliminating everything then adding them back, keep an eye on the flax seed. Other than that, you may try adding in some omega-3 supplements (I realize this is what the flax seed is supposed to be for) because that also helps some people with hyperactivity. I like the magnesium myself and we have had good results from that. Unfortuately, you have already be doing a great deal, and yet there are all these possibilities too. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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