Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Pam, I am very willing, and am donating for charities, even though I am far from being rich, But, I am not happy that some of the taxes are actually supporting people who have no good reason to collect welfare instead of joining the work force. We have to admit that many young ones, prefer to collect welfare instead of going out to work and that is not good for us a society, on the receiving and giving end. Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi To: rd-usa From: drowell@... Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:27:33 -0700 Subject: RE: Grrrr/ Easy Questions Me, too. Paying more taxes so the government can decide who to give it to is not charitable giving. Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. Have a lovely day, pam Pam Charney pcharney@... > I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > We pay > enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > call this > " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > afford to > pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > hands > full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > boat as > us. > Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > > In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > pcharney@... writes: > > I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > cannot be so self-involved. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 , Are you also a historian? I am amazed at the amt of information you pull out and share. I grew up and was educated elsewhere, and although I attended college in the US it was a religious education and I did not spend any time with American history. I've always detested politics that in my country were one-sided and lop-sided, so not paid much attention unless directly affeced (very selfish and short-sighted but it is what it is). Every post you've sent has made me think and read and research further. And I like that you make it easier for me when there's so much information shared in the email. Digna Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > Have a lovely day, > pam > > Pam Charney > pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> > > > > On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Audley3@...<mailto:Audley3%40aol.com> wrote: > >> I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic >> expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. >> We pay >> enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you >> call this >> " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can >> afford to >> pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our >> hands >> full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same >> boat as >> us. >> Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. >> >> In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> writes: >> >> I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those >> in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit >> more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in >> taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I >> cannot be so self-involved. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 On a really bizarre trend of thought after having had terrible news and events going on since Dec 30th. Think about it. The more people who don't work willingly for whatever the reason, the more jobs there are left for those that do want to work. Do you think this will even out the equation one day? Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@... > > > > > > > >> I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > >> expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > >> We pay > >> enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > >> call this > >> " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > >> afford to > >> pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > >> hands > >> full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > >> boat as > >> us. > >> Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > >> > >> In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >> pcharney@... writes: > >> > >> I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > >> in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > >> more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > >> taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > >> cannot be so self-involved. > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 On a really bizarre trend of thought after having had terrible news and events going on since Dec 30th. Think about it. The more people who don't work willingly for whatever the reason, the more jobs there are left for those that do want to work. Do you think this will even out the equation one day? Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@... > > > > > > > >> I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > >> expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > >> We pay > >> enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > >> call this > >> " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > >> afford to > >> pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > >> hands > >> full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > >> boat as > >> us. > >> Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > >> > >> In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >> pcharney@... writes: > >> > >> I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > >> in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > >> more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > >> taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > >> cannot be so self-involved. > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 People are hardly getting rich from welfare. And, sure there are some that will take advantage of the system, that happens everywhere, even people would take advantage of a church if they can... but they are not living the lavish lifestyles that everyone makes it sound like. Most people, given the opportunity to have a decent paying job, would gladly take it. In my work, I see a lot of people that are relying on SSI and Welfare to survive, they have so many health problems that they physically can't work, and if they could their employers wouldn't tolerate the time they need to take off for medical stuff. Many of them are frustrated because they can't carry a job or else they lose their Medicare, etc... and the health insurance offered isn't good enough. They are just scraping by to take care of their families and mounting health bills. > > Pam, I am very willing, and am donating for charities, even though I am far > from being rich, But, I am not happy that some of the taxes are actually > supporting people who have no good reason to collect welfare instead of > joining the work force. We have to admit that many young ones, prefer to > collect welfare instead of going out to work and that is not good for us a > society, on the receiving and giving end. > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi > > > > To: rd-usa > From: drowell@... > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:27:33 -0700 > Subject: RE: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me, too. Paying more taxes so the government can decide who to give it > to is not charitable giving. > > > > Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@... > > > > > > > > > I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > > > expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > > > We pay > > > enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > > > call this > > > " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > > > afford to > > > pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > > > hands > > > full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > > > boat as > > > us. > > > Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > pcharney@... writes: > > > > > > I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > > > in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > > > more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > > > taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > > > cannot be so self-involved. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 People are hardly getting rich from welfare. And, sure there are some that will take advantage of the system, that happens everywhere, even people would take advantage of a church if they can... but they are not living the lavish lifestyles that everyone makes it sound like. Most people, given the opportunity to have a decent paying job, would gladly take it. In my work, I see a lot of people that are relying on SSI and Welfare to survive, they have so many health problems that they physically can't work, and if they could their employers wouldn't tolerate the time they need to take off for medical stuff. Many of them are frustrated because they can't carry a job or else they lose their Medicare, etc... and the health insurance offered isn't good enough. They are just scraping by to take care of their families and mounting health bills. > > Pam, I am very willing, and am donating for charities, even though I am far > from being rich, But, I am not happy that some of the taxes are actually > supporting people who have no good reason to collect welfare instead of > joining the work force. We have to admit that many young ones, prefer to > collect welfare instead of going out to work and that is not good for us a > society, on the receiving and giving end. > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi > > > > To: rd-usa > From: drowell@... > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:27:33 -0700 > Subject: RE: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me, too. Paying more taxes so the government can decide who to give it > to is not charitable giving. > > > > Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@... > > > > > > > > > I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > > > expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > > > We pay > > > enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > > > call this > > > " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > > > afford to > > > pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > > > hands > > > full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > > > boat as > > > us. > > > Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > pcharney@... writes: > > > > > > I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > > > in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > > > more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > > > taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > > > cannot be so self-involved. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 No Digna, I wish, but I don't think so.Those who didn't want to work willingly, never worked, never been part of the pull and never been contributors to society. Those who were laid off recently bc of the economy were ppl who wanted to keep their jobs. And I am not including retiree, of course, after all, you are entitled to benefits after putting so many years into the society and those who retire might be opening jobs, though in many cases, retirees spots were never filled, bc of the economy. I know that is the case in my workplace. Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi To: rd-usa From: dignacassens@... Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:38:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions On a really bizarre trend of thought after having had terrible news and events going on since Dec 30th. Think about it. The more people who don't work willingly for whatever the reason, the more jobs there are left for those that do want to work. Do you think this will even out the equation one day? Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@... > > > > > > > >> I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > >> expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > >> We pay > >> enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > >> call this > >> " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > >> afford to > >> pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > >> hands > >> full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > >> boat as > >> us. > >> Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > >> > >> In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >> pcharney@... writes: > >> > >> I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > >> in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > >> more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > >> taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > >> cannot be so self-involved. > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 No Digna, I wish, but I don't think so.Those who didn't want to work willingly, never worked, never been part of the pull and never been contributors to society. Those who were laid off recently bc of the economy were ppl who wanted to keep their jobs. And I am not including retiree, of course, after all, you are entitled to benefits after putting so many years into the society and those who retire might be opening jobs, though in many cases, retirees spots were never filled, bc of the economy. I know that is the case in my workplace. Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi To: rd-usa From: dignacassens@... Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:38:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions On a really bizarre trend of thought after having had terrible news and events going on since Dec 30th. Think about it. The more people who don't work willingly for whatever the reason, the more jobs there are left for those that do want to work. Do you think this will even out the equation one day? Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@... > > > > > > > >> I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > >> expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > >> We pay > >> enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > >> call this > >> " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > >> afford to > >> pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > >> hands > >> full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > >> boat as > >> us. > >> Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > >> > >> In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >> pcharney@... writes: > >> > >> I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > >> in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > >> more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > >> taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > >> cannot be so self-involved. > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Jen, I don't believe we're discussing that people are getting rich on welfare. We're discussing appropriate aplication of the benifits for those that really need them, and avoidance of fraudulent use of the moneys provided. We all agree that some sort of help is needed by many deserving people. But we also agree that there are no real safe guards against those that do not need it and take advantage of the benefit. Neither is there a program that actually guarantees those on welfare the ability to be rehabilitated and educated so that they can take advantage of the benefit in a way that improves their lives and enables those that can to better their financial status. In my opinion the proposed health bills are not designed to remedy the situations you describe below. Digna Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@... > > > > > > > > > I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > > > expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > > > We pay > > > enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > > > call this > > > " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > > > afford to > > > pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > > > hands > > > full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > > > boat as > > > us. > > > Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > pcharney@... writes: > > > > > > I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > > > in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > > > more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > > > taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > > > cannot be so self-involved. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Jen, I don't believe we're discussing that people are getting rich on welfare. We're discussing appropriate aplication of the benifits for those that really need them, and avoidance of fraudulent use of the moneys provided. We all agree that some sort of help is needed by many deserving people. But we also agree that there are no real safe guards against those that do not need it and take advantage of the benefit. Neither is there a program that actually guarantees those on welfare the ability to be rehabilitated and educated so that they can take advantage of the benefit in a way that improves their lives and enables those that can to better their financial status. In my opinion the proposed health bills are not designed to remedy the situations you describe below. Digna Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@... > > > > > > > > > I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > > > expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > > > We pay > > > enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > > > call this > > > " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > > > afford to > > > pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > > > hands > > > full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > > > boat as > > > us. > > > Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > pcharney@... writes: > > > > > > I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > > > in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > > > more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > > > taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > > > cannot be so self-involved. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Agreed 100%!! Digna Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > >> > >> > >> > >> No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > >> > >> to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > >> > >> fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > >> > >> willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > >> > >> provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > >> > >> > >> > >> Have a lovely day, > >> > >> pam > >> > >> > >> > >> Pam Charney > >> > >> pcharney@... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > >> > >> > expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > >> > >> > We pay > >> > >> > enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > >> > >> > call this > >> > >> > " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > >> > >> > afford to > >> > >> > pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > >> > >> > hands > >> > >> > full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > >> > >> > boat as > >> > >> > us. > >> > >> > Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >> > >> > pcharney@... writes: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > >> > >> > in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > >> > >> > more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > >> > >> > taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > >> > >> > cannot be so self-involved. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Jen- I agree. The patients I have who have fallen on hard times are not " cheating " the system. I help them budget very carefully on food stamps (I spend more in one week for my family then what they get for a month). Nice to hear some reality on this list serv with out politics. Judy D. Simon MS, RD, CD, CHES Clinic Dietitian/Nutritionist University of Washington Medical Center-Roosevelt Campus Campus mail: box 354700 4245 Roosevelt Way NE Seattle, WA 98105-6902 Phone: E-mail: jdsimon@... " The above email may contain patient identifiable or confidential information. Because email is not secure, please be aware of associated risks of email transmission. If you are a patient, communicating to a UW Medicine Provider via email implies your agreement to email communication; see http://www.uwmedicine.org/Global/Compliance/EmailRisk.htm. The information is intended for the individual named above. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please notify the sender by reply email, and then destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. See our Notice of Privacy Practices at www.uwmedicine.org. " Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@... > > > > > > > > > I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > > > expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > > > We pay > > > enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > > > call this > > > " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > > > afford to > > > pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > > > hands > > > full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > > > boat as > > > us. > > > Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > pcharney@... writes: > > > > > > I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > > > in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > > > more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > > > taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > > > cannot be so self-involved. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Thanks for the compliment, Digna. I, like you, did no t pay much attention to politics and history as a kid, until I was in my 40s. When I realized how amazing and never-tried-before the American experiment of moral self-governance was, I was intrigued. I have a pretty poor short term memory. I simply keep files and links to information on my computer, so I can find things when I want to share it or review it. www.wallbuilders.com<http://www.wallbuilders.com> and http://www.heritage.org/ are both excellent resources. Quote Worthy: A motto of the American Revolution<http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=128> directed against the tyrant King III... was simple and direct: " No King but King Jesus! " From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Digna Cassens Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:49 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions , Are you also a historian? I am amazed at the amt of information you pull out and share. I grew up and was educated elsewhere, and although I attended college in the US it was a religious education and I did not spend any time with American history. I've always detested politics that in my country were one-sided and lop-sided, so not paid much attention unless directly affeced (very selfish and short-sighted but it is what it is). Every post you've sent has made me think and read and research further. And I like that you make it easier for me when there's so much information shared in the email. Digna Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > Have a lovely day, > pam > > Pam Charney > pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com><mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> > > > > On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Audley3@...<mailto:Audley3%40aol.com><mailto:Audley3%40aol.com> wrote: > >> I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic >> expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. >> We pay >> enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you >> call this >> " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can >> afford to >> pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our >> hands >> full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same >> boat as >> us. >> Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. >> >> In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com><mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> writes: >> >> I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those >> in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit >> more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in >> taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I >> cannot be so self-involved. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Thanks much Judy and Jen. Having also worked with folks from all socioeconomic levels, I don't think I've ever met someone who said " Yippee skippee! Now I get to go on welfare and get rich! " . It's a very, very hard life. For many of these folks, looking toward the future is a luxury; all of their time and energy is spent surviving today. The system is set up to be incredibly difficult to navigate and incredibly demeaning to those who have need. It is a common ploy by those who want to end assistance to the needy to say that many are using the system because they're lazy and worthless. While there always will be a few who try, remember that there are also a number of folks that we might put in this category who have devastating mental illness or other invisible disabilities. We cannot judge a book by its cover. Regards, pam Pam Charney pcharney@... > Jen- > > I agree. The patients I have who have fallen on hard times are not > " cheating " the system. I help them budget very carefully on food > stamps (I spend more in one week for my family then what they get > for a month). Nice to hear some reality on this list serv with out > politics. > > Judy D. Simon MS, RD, CD, CHES > Clinic Dietitian/Nutritionist > University of Washington Medical Center-Roosevelt Campus > Campus mail: box 354700 > 4245 Roosevelt Way NE > Seattle, WA 98105-6902 > > > Phone: > E-mail: jdsimon@... > > > > > " The above email may contain patient identifiable or confidential > information. Because email is not secure, please be aware of > associated risks of email transmission. If you are a patient, > communicating to a UW Medicine Provider via email implies your > agreement to email communication; seehttp://www.uwmedicine.org/Global/Compliance/EmailRisk.htm > . > > > The information is intended for the individual named above. If you > are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of the contents of this information is > prohibited. Please notify the sender by reply email, and then > destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. See our > Notice of Privacy Practices at www.uwmedicine.org. " > Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to > take > > > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I > also am > > > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > > > > > Have a lovely day, > > > > pam > > > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > > pcharney@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay > basic > > > > > expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of > life. > > > > > We pay > > > > > enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe > you > > > > > call this > > > > > " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > > > > > afford to > > > > > pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have > our > > > > > hands > > > > > full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > > > > > boat as > > > > > us. > > > > > Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > > > pcharney@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for > those > > > > > in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > > > > > more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > > > > > taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for > all. I > > > > > cannot be so self-involved. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Thanks much Judy and Jen. Having also worked with folks from all socioeconomic levels, I don't think I've ever met someone who said " Yippee skippee! Now I get to go on welfare and get rich! " . It's a very, very hard life. For many of these folks, looking toward the future is a luxury; all of their time and energy is spent surviving today. The system is set up to be incredibly difficult to navigate and incredibly demeaning to those who have need. It is a common ploy by those who want to end assistance to the needy to say that many are using the system because they're lazy and worthless. While there always will be a few who try, remember that there are also a number of folks that we might put in this category who have devastating mental illness or other invisible disabilities. We cannot judge a book by its cover. Regards, pam Pam Charney pcharney@... > Jen- > > I agree. The patients I have who have fallen on hard times are not > " cheating " the system. I help them budget very carefully on food > stamps (I spend more in one week for my family then what they get > for a month). Nice to hear some reality on this list serv with out > politics. > > Judy D. Simon MS, RD, CD, CHES > Clinic Dietitian/Nutritionist > University of Washington Medical Center-Roosevelt Campus > Campus mail: box 354700 > 4245 Roosevelt Way NE > Seattle, WA 98105-6902 > > > Phone: > E-mail: jdsimon@... > > > > > " The above email may contain patient identifiable or confidential > information. Because email is not secure, please be aware of > associated risks of email transmission. If you are a patient, > communicating to a UW Medicine Provider via email implies your > agreement to email communication; seehttp://www.uwmedicine.org/Global/Compliance/EmailRisk.htm > . > > > The information is intended for the individual named above. If you > are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of the contents of this information is > prohibited. Please notify the sender by reply email, and then > destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. See our > Notice of Privacy Practices at www.uwmedicine.org. " > Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to > take > > > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I > also am > > > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > > > > > Have a lovely day, > > > > pam > > > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > > pcharney@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay > basic > > > > > expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of > life. > > > > > We pay > > > > > enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe > you > > > > > call this > > > > > " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > > > > > afford to > > > > > pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have > our > > > > > hands > > > > > full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > > > > > boat as > > > > > us. > > > > > Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > > > pcharney@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for > those > > > > > in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > > > > > more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > > > > > taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for > all. I > > > > > cannot be so self-involved. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 I doubt it, because we will HAVE to work harder to support those who don't want to work, who the government rewards for not working. Not only that, but with more people being unproductive, or less productive, the economy goes south and jobs are lost. Less productivity, less wealth, less money, fewer jobs. It's a tragic downward spiral. That's the way the current government wants it, more people depending on them to take from others to give to more and more of those who are " sucking at the teat of big government " , the more " suckling pigs " who will vote to keep them in office. Quote Worthy: When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic. " -- lin From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Digna Cassens Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:39 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions On a really bizarre trend of thought after having had terrible news and events going on since Dec 30th. Think about it. The more people who don't work willingly for whatever the reason, the more jobs there are left for those that do want to work. Do you think this will even out the equation one day? Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> > > > > On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Audley3@...<mailto:Audley3%40aol.com> wrote: > > > >> I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > >> expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > >> We pay > >> enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > >> call this > >> " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > >> afford to > >> pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > >> hands > >> full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > >> boat as > >> us. > >> Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > >> > >> In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >> pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> writes: > >> > >> I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > >> in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > >> more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > >> taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > >> cannot be so self-involved. > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 One of the problems with so called Welfare Cheats is the lack of sufficient case workers. When my brother graduated from college in 1958, he got a job as a NYC welfare case worker. His case load was so big,he could only see a fraction of his clients on a regular basis and even fewer for in-depth counseling. A friend who had a similar position in the 90's agrees, the system needs to be fixed. ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 10:12:10 AM Subject: Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions  Jen, I don't believe we're discussing that people are getting rich on welfare. We're discussing appropriate aplication of the benifits for those that really need them, and avoidance of fraudulent use of the moneys provided. We all agree that some sort of help is needed by many deserving people. But we also agree that there are no real safe guards against those that do not need it and take advantage of the benefit. Neither is there a program that actually guarantees those on welfare the ability to be rehabilitated and educated so that they can take advantage of the benefit in a way that improves their lives and enables those that can to better their financial status. In my opinion the proposed health bills are not designed to remedy the situations you describe below. Digna Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharneymac (DOT) com > > > > On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Audley3aol (DOT) com wrote: > > > > > I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > > > expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > > > We pay > > > enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > > > call this > > > " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > > > afford to > > > pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > > > hands > > > full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > > > boat as > > > us. > > > Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > pcharneymac (DOT) com writes: > > > > > > I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > > > in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > > > more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > > > taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > > > cannot be so self-involved. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 One of the problems with so called Welfare Cheats is the lack of sufficient case workers. When my brother graduated from college in 1958, he got a job as a NYC welfare case worker. His case load was so big,he could only see a fraction of his clients on a regular basis and even fewer for in-depth counseling. A friend who had a similar position in the 90's agrees, the system needs to be fixed. ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 10:12:10 AM Subject: Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions  Jen, I don't believe we're discussing that people are getting rich on welfare. We're discussing appropriate aplication of the benifits for those that really need them, and avoidance of fraudulent use of the moneys provided. We all agree that some sort of help is needed by many deserving people. But we also agree that there are no real safe guards against those that do not need it and take advantage of the benefit. Neither is there a program that actually guarantees those on welfare the ability to be rehabilitated and educated so that they can take advantage of the benefit in a way that improves their lives and enables those that can to better their financial status. In my opinion the proposed health bills are not designed to remedy the situations you describe below. Digna Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharneymac (DOT) com > > > > On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Audley3aol (DOT) com wrote: > > > > > I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > > > expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > > > We pay > > > enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > > > call this > > > " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > > > afford to > > > pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > > > hands > > > full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > > > boat as > > > us. > > > Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > pcharneymac (DOT) com writes: > > > > > > I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > > > in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > > > more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > > > taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > > > cannot be so self-involved. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 I saved the wallbuilders before but have not gone through a lot of it. I will save the heritage too. I do a lot of genealogy reasearch as time allows, and this will be similar for me, as I also try to attach historical facts to my family. Unfortunately I'm hispanic and there's not much available on Spain, Italy and Puerto Rico in the American sites and programs I subscribe to. But, it's all of utmost interest to me. My husband on the other hand, a radical right winger to the right of Rush but w different views, is an avid follower of politics, and history especially of great wars. I may have found something in common with him if I can get into this. Digna Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > Have a lovely day, > pam > > Pam Charney > pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com><mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> > > > > On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Audley3@...<mailto:Audley3%40aol.com><mailto:Audley3%40aol.com> wrote: > >> I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic >> expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. >> We pay >> enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you >> call this >> " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can >> afford to >> pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our >> hands >> full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same >> boat as >> us. >> Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. >> >> In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com><mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> writes: >> >> I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those >> in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit >> more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in >> taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I >> cannot be so self-involved. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Drats, my theory shot to hell. Now I know why I work so hard just to pay more taxes.... Digna Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > > > > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > > > Have a lovely day, > > pam > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> > > > > On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Audley3@...<mailto:Audley3%40aol.com> wrote: > > > >> I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic > >> expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. > >> We pay > >> enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you > >> call this > >> " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can > >> afford to > >> pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our > >> hands > >> full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same > >> boat as > >> us. > >> Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. > >> > >> In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >> pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> writes: > >> > >> I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those > >> in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit > >> more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in > >> taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I > >> cannot be so self-involved. > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Good thinking Digna! He will appreciate that. Dave From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Digna Cassens Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:01 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions I saved the wallbuilders before but have not gone through a lot of it. I will save the heritage too. I do a lot of genealogy reasearch as time allows, and this will be similar for me, as I also try to attach historical facts to my family. Unfortunately I'm hispanic and there's not much available on Spain, Italy and Puerto Rico in the American sites and programs I subscribe to. But, it's all of utmost interest to me. My husband on the other hand, a radical right winger to the right of Rush but w different views, is an avid follower of politics, and history especially of great wars. I may have found something in common with him if I can get into this. Digna Re: Grrrr/ Easy Questions > No, , I am far from independently wealthy. I just happen to take > to heart those principles that say we should reach out to those less > fortunate. My hands are also full taking care of my own, but I also am > willing to sacrifice a bit more to ensure those who are in need are > provided with adequate health care. That's the moral thing to do. > > Have a lovely day, > pam > > Pam Charney > pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com><mailto:pcharney%40mac.com><mailto:pc\ harney%40mac.com> > > > > On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Audley3@...<mailto:Audley3%40aol.com><mailto:Audley3%40aol.com><mailto:Audle\ y3%40aol.com> wrote: > >> I work 2 jobs, and my husband works a 60 hr work week, to pay basic >> expenses and to give our 3 young children a decent quality of life. >> We pay >> enough in taxes already and would prefer NOT to pay more. Maybe you >> call this >> " self-involved " , and maybe you make so much money that you can >> afford to >> pay more in taxes to take care of others, but we don't. We have our >> hands >> full taking care of our own. And there are many others in the same >> boat as >> us. >> Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D. >> >> In a message dated 1/4/2010 12:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com><mailto:pcharney%40mac.com><mailto:pc\ harney%40mac.com> writes: >> >> I guess we have vastly different opinions regarding caring for those >> in our society who cannot do so on their own. I'd gladly pay a bit >> more in taxes (there, I've said it. I'll voluntarily pay more in >> taxes) if that will ensure access to adequate health care for all. I >> cannot be so self-involved. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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