Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 Hi, I am wondering if anyone knows how accurate food allergy tests are. I had one done in Dec. (a blood test) which showed allergies to wheat, milk, garlic, almonds, and rye. I quit all these foods and basically am living off of brown rice and vegetables, but I did not notice any relief in my pain. I did eat Middle Eastern food last week and I did not notice an increase or decrease in pain. I am just confused as to why I would test positive to it yet have no reaction. I have been off the foods (real strictly) for about 4 months. I now want to stop this diet and start eating what I really want to eat, but psychologically, I am still a little scared as I keep thinking, why did I test positive? Does anyone know if that test gives lots of false positives? Thank you. Seema Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Hi , I guess I still don't understand because I used to eat all those foods all the time - Indian meals consist of a wheat bread, rice, lentil soup, vegetables, and yogurt. So I was getting a lot of milk and wheat. In my opinion, I think my diet is unhealthier now. Before I was eating whole wheat and yogurt -the foods I eat are very healthy - I don't eat sweets or sodas or anything like that. Also, since my weight is 90 pounds, this kind of diet does not allow me to gain any weight, which I am still concerned about. I do know that the first few days of my menstrual cycle, the pain is less and then it gets worse after. But someone explained to me that can occur due to the hormones causing the nerve endings to be less sensitive during that time. I am hoping that biofeedback will help me. So, when you reintroduce the foods - can you explain to me how you do it slowly - do you mean only eat little portions of wheat (not like a sandwich) and how often are you supposed to eat it? Also, once I eat one, then how long do I wait til I test another food i.e. first wheat and then dairy? Sorry for all the questions - I guess I just never bought into the food allergy part in my case because it sounds like you would start to feel better by a couple of months if you had a food allergy. Also, my boyfriend told me that these things can psychologically affect you now - if you are told you are allergic to something, you start to feel like you are allergic to it and you may get a reaction because of what the mind is capable of doing. That scares me - I almost wish I was never tested for the food allergies!! Take care. Seema Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 When I started the diet I was in a lot of pain so I went the extreme - For the first two or three days I ate only no-oxalate foods. I had immediate relief so I knew I was doing something right. Then I started eating other low oxalate foods and eventually found out which ones I could manage and the ones I had to stay away from. Still, I can eat some high-oxalate foods and they do not bother me but others do and some of the low and mediums also bother me. If I eat something regularly for three days I will know whether it is one that I should not be eating. Others get me almost immediately like onions, celery, bell peppers and grapefruit. White bread does not bother me but whole wheat does. It's the wheat bran. Ora >Hi , > I guess I still don't understand because I used to eat all those >foods all the time - Indian meals consist of a wheat bread, rice, >lentil soup, vegetables, and yogurt. So I was getting a lot of milk >and wheat. In my opinion, I think my diet is unhealthier now. Before >I was eating whole wheat and yogurt -the foods I eat are very healthy >- I don't eat sweets or sodas or anything like that. Also, since my >weight is 90 pounds, this kind of diet does not allow me to gain any >weight, which I am still concerned about. I do know that the first >few days of my menstrual cycle, the pain is less and then it gets >worse after. But someone explained to me that can occur due to the >hormones causing the nerve endings to be less sensitive during that >time. I am hoping that biofeedback will help me. So, when you >reintroduce the foods - can you explain to me how you do it slowly - >do you mean only eat little portions of wheat (not like a sandwich) >and how often are you supposed to eat it? Also, once I eat one, then >how long do I wait til I test another food i.e. first wheat and then >dairy? Sorry for all the questions - I guess I just never bought into >the food allergy part in my case because it sounds like you would >start to feel better by a couple of months if you had a food allergy. >Also, my boyfriend told me that these things can psychologically >affect you now - if you are told you are allergic to something, you >start to feel like you are allergic to it and you may get a reaction >because of what the mind is capable of doing. That scares me - I >almost wish I was never tested for the food allergies!! Take care. > >Seema > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 THis sounds like food allergies, not high oxalate pain. I think I've read that it takes a min of six months to a year to start to feel better from high oxalate pain (and thats using the calcium citrate along with avoing high oxalate foods). Maybe you started avoiding foods you are allergic to, hence the immediate relief. SOmething to think about. --- taurusrc@... wrote: > When I started the diet I was in a lot of pain so I > went the extreme - For the > first two or three days I ate only no-oxalate foods. > I had immediate relief so > I knew I was doing something right. Then I started > eating other low oxalate > foods and eventually found out which ones I could > manage and the ones I had to > stay away from. > > Still, I can eat some high-oxalate foods and they do > not bother me but others do > and some of the low and mediums also bother me. > > If I eat something regularly for three days I will > know whether it is one that I > should not be eating. > > Others get me almost immediately like onions, > celery, bell peppers and > grapefruit. White bread does not bother me but > whole wheat does. It's the > wheat bran. > > Ora > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2002 Report Share Posted April 5, 2002 Hey Traci- An oxalate is a chemical in foods. It's usually bound with other chemicals, like calcium oxalate or ammonium oxalate. Most kidney stones are made of ammonium oxalate. The theory is that oxalates passing through the urine irritate the tissues of the urethra. The irritation allegedly spreads throughout the vulvar area, resulting in the VV. There have been no formal double-blind studies on the low oxalate diet. It's kind of impractical to do so, since the researchers would have to have food completely removed of oxalates, but still taste exactly like " normal " food, and have test groups eat each kind, without knowing whether it was " oxalated " or not. I don't know about other kinds of studies- without the double-blind kind of study, it's impossible to know if the oxalates are really causing/aggravating the problem, or if it's something else in the food, or the kinds of foods, or something about the people eating them. Misty > does anyone know really what an oxalate is and why it is so bad for VV? > Traci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 Whoops!! That link I gave about dealyed allerigc reactions vs immediate allergic reactions pertained to pets (though I think it is the same in both species ) Anyway here is a link dealing with us humans specifically! http://www.foodallergy.com/understand/ One thing in this article that struck me, that may pertain to you Ora, is the following sentence: "For example, you may be IgG sensitive to milk. If you were to increase your intake and/or frequency of milk consumption, it is at this point that symptoms would likely appear. " You stated in your post that:"I think if I was merely allergic to some of the foods I would have problemsimmediately. I can eat chocolate one day and the next day but if I eat it threedays in a row all hell breaks loose. " A delayed reaction would make sense.... taurusrc@... wrote: I have thought of that but I have the delayed reaction to some things such ascheese. It gives me swollen ankles. Dry milk which is added to stuff gives mea headache the next day. But I read the labels and try to avoid it.I do better if I cook all my vegetables because I think it is possible that whenthey go through the digestive tract they sometimes cause irritation which doesnot happen when they are cooked. But onions do it every time I eat them, cookedor not.Ora>Have you ever heard of delayed reaction to allergies?>Sometimes allergy reactions dont occur right away.>With delayed reactions it can be a couple days or more>before you notice a reaction to the food. Not all>allergic reactions are immediate.Check out the link>below. It gives you a defintion for a dealyed reaction>vs. "clasical allergy." >>http://www.animal-allergy.com/info-vets1.html>>It sounds to me like you are having a dealyed allergy>reaction to some substances. But, that is only my>opinion. You know your body best.>>>>>--- taurusrc@... wrote:>> >> >> >THis sounds like food allergies, not high oxalate>> >pain. I think I've read that it takes a min of six>> >months to a year to start to feel better from high>> >oxalate pain (and thats using the calcium citrate>> >along with avoing high oxalate foods). Maybe you>> >started avoiding foods you are allergic to, hence>> the>> >immediate relief. SOmething to think about.>> >--- taurusrc@... wrote:>> >> I started out eating only milk, bread and drained>> and rinsed canned peaches for>> the first couple of days. I had already learned>> that canned peaches helped my>> pain but sugar made it worse. So I rinsed them>> before eating them. I expect>> that taking the calcium citrate along with the>> low-oxalate diet prolongs the>> period of time for relief for some people because>> calcium supplements make me>> constipated. Being constipated is one thing that>> causes me to have pain.>> >> I think if I was merely allergic to some of the>> foods I would have problems>> immediately. I can eat chocolate one day and the>> next day but if I eat it three>> days in a row all hell breaks loose. >> >> Ora >> >> >>>__________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 I would not give up on the food allergy angle either. Even Dr. Glazer says that the low oxalate diet may work because it eliminates allergy foods. http://www.obgyn.net/cpp/articles/Glazer.vv_faq2.htm My allergist does testing for delayed allergic reaction, I don't seem to have them but I think they are real. At any rate, it doesn't really matter which one it is, as long as it helps with the pain. in SF > Have you ever heard of delayed reaction to allergies? > Sometimes allergy reactions dont occur right away. > With delayed reactions it can be a couple days or more > before you notice a reaction to the food. Not all > allergic reactions are immediate.Check out the link > below. It gives you a defintion for a dealyed reaction > vs. " clasical allergy. " > > http://www.animal-allergy.com/info-vets1.html > > It sounds to me like you are having a dealyed allergy > reaction to some substances. But, that is only my > opinion. You know your body best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 But even if it is a delayed reaction, the only remedy is avoidance of the substance. Ora > > Whoops!! That link I gave about dealyed allerigc reactions vs immediate >allergic reactions pertained to pets (though I think it is the same in >both species ) Anyway here is a link dealing with us humans >specifically! > >http://www.foodallergy.com/understand/ >One thing in this article that struck me, that may pertain to you Ora, >is the following sentence: > > " For example, you may be IgG sensitive to milk. If you were to increase >your intake and/or frequency of milk consumption, it is at this point >that symptoms would likely appear. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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