Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 I also think that Mercury poisoning plays a big roll in autism, but that it is not the only factor. Another reason many children become " autistic " right after the MMR or DPT is a MAJOR immune assault. There is probably just as much Mercury found in Tuna then in a single vaccine, HOWEVER when all of the environmental factors add up, and then the immune compromised body is injected with 3 live virusus, the body will overload and shut down. The body will not be able to make titers for any of the 3 virusus, and it will store them in it's organs. This is why Wakefield constatnly finds the Measles virus in autistic children's biopsied colons'. I know vaccinations played a big role, as my son did a MAJOR regression when he was given his Chicken Pox Vax, and when he actually contracted the disease from a school friend, he made a LARGE step towards recovery. NO interventions were going on at the time (it was summer) And it was before we learned about Chelation, GFCF, or many supplements. (he had been off yeast treatment & AIT for a year and a half) So I do tend to think it is more than the mercury. If that was the only answer, then the children would be almost recovered after Chelation...There are a LOT of treatments that equal recovery, antivirals is one as well...Just thought I would add my opinion...Hope you don't read this as an attack, my emails are often misread for being obnocheous...I am not -Shari [ ] Vaccines are not the cause of ..... I don't know,why most of you are thinking, that the main problem and cause of autism are the vaccines. The problem is THIOMERSAL or even more precise MERCURY. Most of the children, who are sensible to mercury or who store the mercury in their body and develope autism or skin diseases or have a weak immunesystem and have constantly those diseases described in the homeopathic picture, are sensitized for mercury already as embryos thru their mother's blood and also the breastmilk. Autism is not caused by acute mercury poisoning, but a constant micromercurialism and it can happen that after the shot the barrel is full and the disease erupts. We should more emphasis and energy to get rid of the use of mercury at all. It seems, that we used it so much, that we don't know anywhere we can put it at and it show of in manmade floortiles, paper,etc everywhere were there is no detection limit or limitig value. On Jan 13 was an article in a german newspaper, that poisonous waste was found on the roof of the world. In Nepal Greenpeace found two unprotected waste depots of chemicals: Pestizides out of the production from international Chemicalfirms. A large portion of this poison comes from Germany among those firms Bayer AG. Other producers are Shell, Sandoz, Ciba-Geigy, Monsanto. Whoever brought those chemicals to Nepal is unclear. Those poisons are preparations of orgic mercury, prohibited in the US and Europe because they are too dangerous (cancerogenic). The Bayer products ( Folidol E 605 and Solbar) corrode in rosty cannisters in the drainage are of the drinking-water of Katmandu. This is just an example, you can also talkabout all the mercury going down the drain from dentist offices or gold mines, the Amazon River is mercury polluted !!! We think about fishoil capsules without you knowing where this fish came from and being abel to test for mercury. Please don't misunderstand: MERCURY HAS NOTHING TO DO IN ANY VACCINE ! BUT also nothing in cosmetics, medications, drinking water, food (fish,fishflower,animalfood, fertilizer, manure, salat, eggs......) ps. Thank you Bernard Windham for your great eyeopening papers you have written about mercury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Hello, I am new to this list and am just starting to travel down this road. I have a lot to learn still so please excuse my ignorance if I don't get something right. My son has yeast overgrowth as well as intolerance to casein/gluten (>200). We have to start a rotation diet for him because with GF/CF he becomes intolerant to every food. We have recently discovered how severe his problems are (not through testing--$$$), but through his tooth loss. He has become so malnourished due to leaky gut that his teeth have become brittle and are breaking off at the root. He's lost one molar, halves of two others and a 4th is questionable. He is only 5 years old. In my sons case, I did not make a direct connection to vaccines until yesterday, although I had suspicions. I had obtained files from his previous pediatrician and compared them with his current files. What I realized is that his growth is stunted and that his growth slowed down after the immunizations he received when he was 16 months old. As a toddler, he was in the 95th percentile for height. At 16 months (all in one visit) he received the DTP, OPV, MMR, Hib and Chicken Pox. Four months later he regressed and at 24 months old he had dropped to the 75th percentile for height. At three he was dx with autism. Now at 5 1/2 years old, he is below the 25th percentile for height. Does this mean that he will always have stunted growth? Is stunted growth caused by mercury poisoning or nutritional deficiency? Also, what is the best and most accurate way of testing for mecury poisoning? Should more than one type of test be done for this? Thanks for the help, Kim Parent Trainer Editor, CAUSE News Digest kimm@... http://www.causeonline.org Re: [ ] Vaccines are not the cause of ..... I also think that Mercury poisoning plays a big roll in autism, but that it is not the only factor. Another reason many children become " autistic " right after the MMR or DPT is a MAJOR immune assault. There is probably just as much Mercury found in Tuna then in a single vaccine, HOWEVER when all of the environmental factors add up, and then the immune compromised body is injected with 3 live virusus, the body will overload and shut down. The body will not be able to make titers for any of the 3 virusus, and it will store them in it's organs. This is why Wakefield constatnly finds the Measles virus in autistic children's biopsied colons'. I know vaccinations played a big role, as my son did a MAJOR regression when he was given his Chicken Pox Vax, and when he actually contracted the disease from a school friend, he made a LARGE step towards recovery. NO interventions were going on at the time (it was summer) And it was before we learned about Chelation, GFCF, or many supplements. (he had been off yeast treatment & AIT for a year and a half) So I do tend to think it is more than the mercury. If that was the only answer, then the children would be almost recovered after Chelation...There are a LOT of treatments that equal recovery, antivirals is one as well...Just thought I would add my opinion...Hope you don't read this as an attack, my emails are often misread for being obnocheous...I am not -Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Just wanted to add in stealth virus from vaccines: http://www.ccid.org/stealth/clinical/svandautism2.htm But I agree with the first two posts as well. Autism has a lot of subtypes. Avril Sheri wrote: At 10:45 AM 2/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I also think that Mercury poisoning plays a big roll in autism, but that >it is not the only factor. Another reason many children become " autistic " >right after the MMR or DPT is a MAJOR immune assault. <snip> Claus-.KesslerMD@... wrote: I don't know,why most of you are thinking, that the main problem and cause of autism are the vaccines. > The problem is THIOMERSAL or even more precise MERCURY. Most of the > children, who are sensible to mercury or who store the mercury in their > body and develope autism or skin diseases or have a weak immunesystem and > have constantly those diseases described in the homeopathic picture, are > sensitized for mercury already as embryos thru their mother's blood and > also the breastmilk. > Autism is not caused by acute mercury poisoning, but a constant > micromercurialism and it can happen that after the shot the barrel is > full and the disease erupts. > > We should more emphasis and energy to get rid of the use of mercury > at all. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 >I also think that Mercury poisoning plays a big roll in autism, but that it is not the only factor. Another reason many children become " autistic " right after the MMR or DPT is a MAJOR immune assault. There is probably just as much Mercury found in Tuna then in a single vaccine, <snip> The mercury in tuna is ingested not injected. I believe this is a very significant difference. One of the problems with trying to find " a cause " is that " a cause " tends to minimize the connections between things. That is, if mercury poisoning causes immune weakness (which it does) and digestive problems (it does), then there may be no " conflict " between saying that autism is caused by mercury poisoning and autism is caused by viruses or food intolerance or <fill in the blank>. It COULD (logically speaking) also be the case that the cause of autism is ONLY immune assaults, and that the mercury is just one more way to get immune deficient. Or, it could be that mercury is the cause of autism and all the other stuff is fallout from the mercury poisoning. OR it could be that BOTH (or a combination) are really critical in the creation of autism. OR it could be that there are a variety of specific combinations that cause autism. Or, it may be that since all of this stuff goes " hand in hand " that no one will ever be able to find enough kids where ONLY ONE factor was present (e.g. mercury poisoning but no immunne weakness.....). It may be impossible to study autism OR immune weakness OR mercury poisoning IN ISOLATION form each other. I am satisfied that mercury poisoning and immune weakness appear to be involved. I am also satisfied that mercury exposure has many sources (mom's amalgams and thimerosal at the top of the list, followed by fish mom is eating). I am also satisfied that mercury poisoning leads to immune weakness. One final point (and I also do NOT mean this to sound crabby!): If mercury poisoning were " the entire cause " I don't think it really " follows " that chelation would then cause total recovery. Mercury poisoning causes all kinds of body systems to get out-of-whack, so I would expect it MIGHT take time for some of them to recover once the mercury is removed. Also, if having a depleted immune system over a long period of time has resulted in things like measles-in-gut, these may need to also be treated separately. I picture it like a line of dominoes. If we were to agree that the " first " domino in the line is mercury poisoning, and then it " sets into motion " a whole series of other problems, one can see that " fixing " the " first " domino does not automatically right all the results " down the line " . Although I must say I am hoping all the other dominos will " right themselves " after a while. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Hello Kim, welcome to " here " . I am not sure what would be helpful, but I'll say some various information and you can decide what to read or pursue. How to BEST test for mercury poisoning I'm not sure, it is actually kinda complex. The way most discussed on this list is by hair testing. Please read BOTH of these: /files/HOW_TO_hair_test /files/Counting%2BRules Also, there are other ways. You can look here for the 3 sections that are about " determining mercury toxicity " : /files/ANDY_INDEX You may also be interested in probiotics and digestive enzymes. You can check: Dana's website: http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/ and also: / Dana's website has tons of links about all sorts of things. The exzymesandautism list is mostly about digestive enzymes, but also discusses lots of other stuff (as does this list). best wishes, Moria >Hello, > >I am new to this list and am just starting to travel down this road. I have a lot to learn still so please excuse my ignorance if I don't get something right. My son has yeast overgrowth as well as intolerance to casein/gluten (>200). We have to start a rotation diet for him because with GF/CF he becomes intolerant to every food. We have recently discovered how severe his problems are (not through testing--$$$), but through his tooth loss. He has become so malnourished due to leaky gut that his teeth have become brittle and are breaking off at the root. He's lost one molar, halves of two others and a 4th is questionable. He is only 5 years old. > >In my sons case, I did not make a direct connection to vaccines until yesterday, although I had suspicions. I had obtained files from his previous pediatrician and compared them with his current files. What I realized is that his growth is stunted and that his growth slowed down after the immunizations he received when he was 16 months old. As a toddler, he was in the 95th percentile for height. At 16 months (all in one visit) he received the DTP, OPV, MMR, Hib and Chicken Pox. Four months later he regressed and at 24 months old he had dropped to the 75th percentile for height. At three he was dx with autism. Now at 5 1/2 years old, he is below the 25th percentile for height. > >Does this mean that he will always have stunted growth? Is stunted growth caused by mercury poisoning or nutritional deficiency? Also, what is the best and most accurate way of testing for mecury poisoning? Should more than one type of test be done for this? > >Thanks for the help, > >Kim >Parent Trainer >Editor, CAUSE News Digest >kimm@... >http://www.causeonline.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Hi Of course it's the vaccines. My son never had the MMR, he had 3 DTP and 2 Haemophilus influnzii. At least two, I know for sure, were from multidose vials and one was not shaken. What everyone overlooks here, is that mercury interferes with nerve transmission, and this has wide spread affects throughout the body. Why does one child become obviously autistic at 15 months, another at 2 1/2 years, or at 6 months? I think it depends on - that child's individual level of sensitivity to mercury - the amount of cummulative exposure - the fact that some kids are better able to overcome whatever disabilities the mercury is causing. - Autism is most commonly diagnosed at 2 1/2 years because that is when a child enters the social world as an individual - they learn to play and interact. If they are impaired then that is when it becomes obvious. - the MMR shot can also be the limit for some kids because - they reach their limit for mercury tolerance - MMR cells persist in the intestine causing health problems by interfering with absorption - it comes at a time when they enter Day Care and the cummula- tive affects of mercury become obvious My son, , I remember at 6 months, just after his second DTP shot, I had a passing fear that he might be retarded. He squinted at the light, grimaced, didn't jump in his jolly jumper and only swung. My family convinced me that he was playing with the light and he was just different. I am convinced that in addition to the metabolic affects on caesin and gluten digestion, these kids are experienceing a loss in visual ability because mercury intertferes with the nerve transmission between the eyes and the brain. I am convinced that my son can't see well because of it. I think this is the major factor in autism - undisclosed visual disability brought on by mercury exposure. It accounts for a host of " odd " behaviours in autistic children. Some kids are just better able to deal with this disability than others. Ann cureroger > I don't know,why most of you are thinking, that the main problem and > cause of autism are the vaccines. > > The problem is THIOMERSAL or even more precise MERCURY. Most of the > > children, who are sensible to mercury or who store the mercury in their > > body and develope autism or skin diseases or have a weak immunesystem and > > have constantly those diseases described in the homeopathic picture, are > > sensitized for mercury already as embryos thru their mother's blood and > > also the breastmilk. > > Autism is not caused by acute mercury poisoning, but a constant > > micromercurialism and it can happen that after the shot the barrel is > > full and the disease erupts. > > > > We should more emphasis and energy to get rid of the use of mercury > > at all. > <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Kim-If you can break the chain of immune dysregulation, malabsorption, deficiencies,and impared clearance of metals, metabolic waste products etc, he has a chance of normal growth. Mike is 15. At twelve, he was under the growth curve-and had been since age one. Finding and aggressively pursuing these avenues with has brought steady, sustained growth-without the " crashes " associated with growth spurts earlier in his life. Mike has grown at least one inch per month since last June. He is 5'6 " tall now, halfway between his father's height and mine. For me, seeing him this tall is a blessing-one i would not have dreamed possible given the magnitude of his problems. And he is still growing:) Re: [ ] Vaccines are not the cause of ..... I also think that Mercury poisoning plays a big roll in autism, but that it is not the only factor. Another reason many children become " autistic " right after the MMR or DPT is a MAJOR immune assault. There is probably just as much Mercury found in Tuna then in a single vaccine, HOWEVER when all of the environmental factors add up, and then the immune compromised body is injected with 3 live virusus, the body will overload and shut down. The body will not be able to make titers for any of the 3 virusus, and it will store them in it's organs. This is why Wakefield constatnly finds the Measles virus in autistic children's biopsied colons'. I know vaccinations played a big role, as my son did a MAJOR regression when he was given his Chicken Pox Vax, and when he actually contracted the disease from a school friend, he made a LARGE step towards recovery. NO interventions were going on at the time (it was summer) And it was before we learned abou! t Chelation, GFCF, or many supplements. (he had been off yeast treatment & AIT for a year and a half) So I do tend to think it is more than the mercury. If that was the only answer, then the children would be almost recovered after Chelation...There are a LOT of treatments that equal recovery, antivirals is one as well...Just thought I would add my opinion...Hope you don't read this as an attack, my emails are often misread for being obnocheous...I am not -Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2002 Report Share Posted February 25, 2002 Hi, Kim! Wow! Sounds like your son is a classic case of Mercury poisoning just from the symptoms. The tooth loss was documented many years ago (in pink disease, I think, which was from infant teething powders containing Mercury). At five, your son has excellent chance of regaining normal development with chelation therapy according the results that Dr. Amy Holmes is having with the children that she is treating. As to testing him, there is plenty of information regarding testing for Mercury in the FAQ's and archives. I am sure Moria will point the way if you haven't already perused what it on this message board. It really is helpful to read through as much of what is already there before asking questions as often many of your questions have been answered very thoroughly previously. It is a lot of reading, but welcome to the hardest thing you will ever probably face in your lifetime (at least it has been that way for me). Re: [ ] Vaccines are not the cause of ..... I also think that Mercury poisoning plays a big roll in autism, but that it is not the only factor. Another reason many children become " autistic " right after the MMR or DPT is a MAJOR immune assault. There is probably just as much Mercury found in Tuna then in a single vaccine, HOWEVER when all of the environmental factors add up, and then the immune compromised body is injected with 3 live virusus, the body will overload and shut down. The body will not be able to make titers for any of the 3 virusus, and it will store them in it's organs. This is why Wakefield constatnly finds the Measles virus in autistic children's biopsied colons'. I know vaccinations played a big role, as my son did a MAJOR regression when he was given his Chicken Pox Vax, and when he actually contracted the disease from a school friend, he made a LARGE step towards recovery. NO interventions were going on at the time (it was summer) And it was before we learned about Chelation, GFCF, or many supplements. (he had been off yeast treatment & AIT for a year and a half) So I do tend to think it is more than the mercury. If that was the only answer, then the children would be almost recovered after Chelation...There are a LOT of treatments that equal recovery, antivirals is one as well...Just thought I would add my opinion...Hope you don't read this as an attack, my emails are often misread for being obnocheous...I am not -Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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