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Something just occurred to me and I wanted to ask this wise group

about it. When you have a recurrence, let's say in your bones, or

lungs or anywhere, " how " does your doc KNOW that the thyca cells ARE,

in fact, CANCER. Do they do a bioposy on the mets? I thought my

doctor said that it is just " assumed " that any mets thyca cells are

cancer. But as I read the postings, it seems that some of you are

certain that your mets is cancer. So, how do you KNOW? I'm just

curious about this, that's all.

--Chris

pt 4/5/01; tt 4/9/01; RAI ablation in 2 weeks (7/23/01)

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> .... it seems that some of you are

> certain that your mets is cancer. So, how do you KNOW?

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This is one reason why it is generally good advice to have a TT and ablation,

even if the surgeon is confident he or she has " gotten it all " . Once your scans

are clean and your Tg level is

undetectable, it is assumed that you have no remaining thyroid cells, healthy or

otherwise.

So if your Tg levels later rise, it may be assumed that it is a recurrence of

thyca, since you have no healthy thyroid cells left to multiply. Thyca cells

are particularly tiny, and may lurk

undetected in the bloodstream for years, growing s-l-o-w-l-y, until one day they

will create a mass large enough to be detected.

(Also, by definition, " metastasis " refers only to malignant cells. I don't

think you will ever find healthy thyroid cells anywhere but in the thyroid bed.)

This is why thyca is never really considered " cured " ; unlike most cancers, it

can return as easily in twenty years as in two.

On the other hand, this is also why thyca is considered the, um, " good cancer " ;

because it is slow growing and usually continues to take up iodine, with

lifelong vigilance, any recurrence may be

detected and treated promptly.

I hope I haven't confused the issue more :-\

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NYC (TT 2/99 dx pap/foll; RAI 100 mCi 3/99 & 4/00; current TSH ~.06 on .225

levothyroxine)

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christine_stier@... wrote:

> .... it seems that some of you are

> certain that your mets is cancer. So, how do you KNOW?

-

This is one reason why it is generally good advice to have a TT and ablation,

even if the surgeon is confident he or she has " gotten it all " . Once your scans

are clean and your Tg level is

undetectable, it is assumed that you have no remaining thyroid cells, healthy or

otherwise.

So if your Tg levels later rise, it may be assumed that it is a recurrence of

thyca, since you have no healthy thyroid cells left to multiply. Thyca cells

are particularly tiny, and may lurk

undetected in the bloodstream for years, growing s-l-o-w-l-y, until one day they

will create a mass large enough to be detected.

(Also, by definition, " metastasis " refers only to malignant cells. I don't

think you will ever find healthy thyroid cells anywhere but in the thyroid bed.)

This is why thyca is never really considered " cured " ; unlike most cancers, it

can return as easily in twenty years as in two.

On the other hand, this is also why thyca is considered the, um, " good cancer " ;

because it is slow growing and usually continues to take up iodine, with

lifelong vigilance, any recurrence may be

detected and treated promptly.

I hope I haven't confused the issue more :-\

-

NYC (TT 2/99 dx pap/foll; RAI 100 mCi 3/99 & 4/00; current TSH ~.06 on .225

levothyroxine)

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Don't you ever go to bed???? It's too late to be writing e-mail....get

some sleep! (I'm up late waiting for my husband to come home from a

trip and thought I'd check messages). :-)

Marilyn

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Don't you ever go to bed???? It's too late to be writing e-mail....get

some sleep! (I'm up late waiting for my husband to come home from a

trip and thought I'd check messages). :-)

Marilyn

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> Don't you ever go to bed???? It's too late to be writing e-

mail....get

> some sleep! (I'm up late waiting for my husband to come home from a

> trip and thought I'd check messages). :-)> Marilyn

I wish I COULD get some sleep. I'm starting to understand why you all

refer to this as hypo " HELL " ! I'm in my 5th week of going hypo for

RAI ablation scheduled for 2 weeks from now-July 23rd. I just took

my last lovely dose of Cytomel and tomorrow I start the LID.

My microwave oven decided to stop working today and I have almost no

groceries in the house. I honestly don't know how I'm going to get

through this. I was doing pretty well until about 5 days ago. I must

be getting very hypo, but I still have to wait until the 23rd because

the isolation room at the hospital is booked up.

My head feels so dizzy and even loading the washing machine makes my

heart pound very fast.

And this has also thrown my sleep schedule off track -- so I'll be

hanging out here at all times of the day and night... ;o)

--Chris

tt 4/9/01; papillary w/ follicular var

RAI scheduled for 7/23/01

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> Don't you ever go to bed???? It's too late to be writing e-

mail....get

> some sleep! (I'm up late waiting for my husband to come home from a

> trip and thought I'd check messages). :-)> Marilyn

I wish I COULD get some sleep. I'm starting to understand why you all

refer to this as hypo " HELL " ! I'm in my 5th week of going hypo for

RAI ablation scheduled for 2 weeks from now-July 23rd. I just took

my last lovely dose of Cytomel and tomorrow I start the LID.

My microwave oven decided to stop working today and I have almost no

groceries in the house. I honestly don't know how I'm going to get

through this. I was doing pretty well until about 5 days ago. I must

be getting very hypo, but I still have to wait until the 23rd because

the isolation room at the hospital is booked up.

My head feels so dizzy and even loading the washing machine makes my

heart pound very fast.

And this has also thrown my sleep schedule off track -- so I'll be

hanging out here at all times of the day and night... ;o)

--Chris

tt 4/9/01; papillary w/ follicular var

RAI scheduled for 7/23/01

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> Don't you ever go to bed???? It's too late to be writing e-

mail....get

> some sleep! (I'm up late waiting for my husband to come home from a

> trip and thought I'd check messages). :-)> Marilyn

I wish I COULD get some sleep. I'm starting to understand why you all

refer to this as hypo " HELL " ! I'm in my 5th week of going hypo for

RAI ablation scheduled for 2 weeks from now-July 23rd. I just took

my last lovely dose of Cytomel and tomorrow I start the LID.

My microwave oven decided to stop working today and I have almost no

groceries in the house. I honestly don't know how I'm going to get

through this. I was doing pretty well until about 5 days ago. I must

be getting very hypo, but I still have to wait until the 23rd because

the isolation room at the hospital is booked up.

My head feels so dizzy and even loading the washing machine makes my

heart pound very fast.

And this has also thrown my sleep schedule off track -- so I'll be

hanging out here at all times of the day and night... ;o)

--Chris

tt 4/9/01; papillary w/ follicular var

RAI scheduled for 7/23/01

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