Guest guest Posted July 8, 1999 Report Share Posted July 8, 1999 Monkeys? wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5433 > Ty Kayleigh. How are the monkeys? > > P. > > On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:36:41 -0700 Kayleigh S > wrote: > > > Well, Pete, I'm not sure how you meant that comment. All I can say is that when someone fights me I fight back, and when I have disagree with you have always been openminded and willing to concede when you have gone too far. This does not happen very often, since I usually agree with you. > > > Pete Watts > > Owner > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 Hi Kayleigh; I think it was me that mentioned the monkeys. I said AA never paid any attention to the inferred fourth Monkey, as in, See no evil, Hear no evil, Speak no evil and the inferred fourth one Do no evil. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 DIdnt you say you were involved in those " wire/fuzzy mother " experiments with monkeys? Ty, btw, for your support for my 'debating style'. It's come in for a fair bit of stick recently, not least on my own list. Apparently, it is unreasonable of me to challenge endorsements of XA, even on my own list. Pete On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:58:51 -0700 kayleighs@... wrote: > Monkeys? > > wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5433 > > Ty Kayleigh. How are the monkeys? > > > > P. > > > > On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:36:41 -0700 Kayleigh S > > wrote: > > > > > Well, Pete, I'm not sure how you meant that comment. All I can say > is that when someone fights me I fight back, and when I have disagree > with you have always been openminded and willing to concede when you > have gone too far. This does not happen very often, since I usually > agree with you. > > > > > > Pete Watts > > > > Owner > > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning > FREE travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. > http://clickhere./click/449 > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm PD Personality Disorders Discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 " Involved with " is too strong, but yes, I worked in Harry Harlow's lab right after the initial surrogate mother experiments as the lowliest of gofers. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5557 > DIdnt you say you were involved in those " wire/fuzzy > mother " experiments with monkeys? > > Ty, btw, for your support for my 'debating style'. It's > come in for a fair bit of stick recently, not least on my > own list. Apparently, it is unreasonable of me to > challenge endorsements of XA, even on my own list. > > Pete > > On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:58:51 -0700 kayleighs@... > wrote: > > > Monkeys? > > > > wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5 433 > > > Ty Kayleigh. How are the monkeys? > > > > > > P. > > > > > > On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:36:41 -0700 Kayleigh S > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Well, Pete, I'm not sure how you meant that comment. All I can say > > is that when someone fights me I fight back, and when I have disagree > > with you have always been openminded and willing to concede when you > > have gone too far. This does not happen very often, since I usually > > agree with you. > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > > > > > Owner > > > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > > > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning > > FREE travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. > > http://clickhere./click/449 > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > Owner > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 Hi, Pete. " DIdnt you say you were involved in those " wire/fuzzy mother " experiments with monkeys? " What the hell are/were those? " Ty, btw, for your support for my 'debating style'. It's come in for a fair bit of stick recently, not least on my own list. Apparently, it is unreasonable of me to challenge endorsements of XA, even on my own list. " Don't know what this is about, but I have generally appreciated Pete's bluntness, whether I agreed with him or not. Noel ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 >From: Pupship@... > > " Didn't you say you were involved in those " wire/fuzzy > mother " experiments with monkeys? " > >What the hell are/were those? Kayleigh knows most abt these. They were experiments that showed that infant monkeys preferred to spend time hugging dummy mothers made of cloth than a wire one that fed them milk from a bottle. This contradicted predictions of the predominant behaviorist theories that infant bonding was driven by the satisfaction of biological hunger needs. Nowadays Psych undergrads are liable to say " But that's obvious " . It was far from obvious to psychologists of the time (over 30 yr ago) and also, is not necessarily obvious now; it SEEMS obvious that infants like something warm and cuddly to cling on to, but no matter how natural it might seem to us, " naturalness " is not an explanation for the phenomenon. > > " Ty, btw, for your support for my 'debating style'. It's > come in for a fair bit of stick recently, not least on my > own list. Apparently, it is unreasonable of me to > challenge endorsements of XA, even on my own list. " > >Don't know what this is about, but I have generally appreciated Pete's >bluntness, whether I agreed with him or not. Thankyou, especially as I Didn't at first agree on your sex! Fwiw, I think the dispute on my list had a gender psychology element to it (the XA supporter was a woman). When women try to disagree amicably, they often say something like " we're probably both a bit right and wrong " which i what this person said. However, when men disagree, they don't feel the need to make a compromise, and just agree to disagree. Assuming they don%27t kill each other first. Pete ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 1999 Report Share Posted September 20, 1999 At 09:03 PM 6/27/99 -0400, Rio wrote: >Hi , > >I know you were being facetious (sp?) but do you think AA is trying to get >people to Jesus and Christianity? I don't think so. I think they are >developing their own religion; kind of New Agey, in a sense. >All lighter >than air with the Program of Alcoholics Anonymous as the final authority, >THE Higher Power of the Universe. When I decided to study the Bible in >depth and brought it up at meetings, the looks and coldness I felt in the >rooms was basically that I was doing something taboo. Someone inevitably >would state that what I was doing was " cute " but in their opinion, the Big >Book is divinely inspired and replaces the Bible. I knew some people who >went to church regularly and were AA members, yet they rarely mentioned it >because they had to submit to the AA line that nothing else in the world >really will save a person except AA. > > >Jan I did know a few fundamentalist/evangelical type Christians in AA and Al-Anon. They saw Christianity as a natural place to go for someone with a year or more in AA, to achieve more 'spiritual growth' than could be achieved by 'working The Program' alone. They often talked about their church and religion at after-meeting get-togethers at Waffle Houses and such. When sharing at meetings they would invariable mention their 'Lord' or something to indicated they didn't have just any ond higher power, and when telling their story they of course name their hp. On the other side are the (ahem) devout AA's who are 'not religious', and often give the glares you mention above. There are a few I heard talking about when they came to AA they were involved with the church, and while they may still attend, they said they had to study the AA literature, and they had to put that other 'literature' 'on the shelf' for a while. I have indeed heard a few times in meetings someone say " The Big Book is the ONLY writing, that I believe, is the inspired word of God. " In my first couple of years in AA I was quite close to believing that myself. ----- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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