Re: Gaylen/flu shot question

February 21, 2002

Gaylen,

I just had one question for you. In your post you said to check for

mercury toxicity in the baby's hair and that if caughted early there

is good treatment. HOw would I know right away what to expect if my

baby had been affected and when is the right time to start treatment?

What do most moms do for their babies or do they wait until they are

older? I plan to breastfeed.

Thanks!

Elaine

February 21, 2002

You might want to make it very clear in writing to your doc/hospital that you do

not want the baby to get the Hep B if indeed that's the case. They ususally

give it on day one and some report they get the mother (or father) to sign when

she's too tired/excited for informed consent. Most docs/hospitals will probably

give you a hard time for saying you don't want it...

S

On Thu, 21 February 2002, Nomoremetals@... wrote:

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> In a message dated 2/21/02 9:06:29 AM Central Standard Time,

> jayroeta@... writes:

>

> & gt; . HOw would I know right away what to expect if my baby had been affected

> & gt; and when is the right time to start treatment? What do most moms do for

> & gt; their babies or do they wait until they are older?

>

> Aside from the testing I just posted about, you probably wouldn't see any

> obvious symptoms for the first six months or so. & nbsp; The problems become

more

> obvious as the child develops and begins to show problems with the visual and

> auditory systems and overall development. & nbsp; If you want to be really sure

that

> your baby is developing properly, get ahold of a good developmental skills

> list and follow that carefully. & nbsp; One of the most comprehensive is the

> Carolina Curriculum for Special Needs Infants & amp; Toddlers which you can

order

> at amazon.com. & nbsp; It has an extremely comprehensive list of skills, broken

down

> in subareas, with the age ranges most kids develop these skills plus

> instructions on how to understand if the child is doing this or not and how

> to build the skills. & nbsp; It could give you nice reassurance that your baby

is

> developing nicely or catch any areas that need some help.

>

> As far as when to start treatment if your baby is toxic, you'd have to talk

> to an experienced toxicity doctor for that answer. & nbsp; Most of the people I

know

> have not discovered the problem until the child is much older but some have

> started as early as age 2. & nbsp; It may be possible to start even younger or

at

> least have a doctor monitor things since it is also possible that a baby

> could eliminate the metals on its own if its detox systems are working well

> and it doesn't have a large exposure.

> Gaylen

>

>

February 21, 2002

My baby girl was born july 2000 and I made if VERY

clear to everyone I came in contact with at the

hospital that she was not to get the Hep B shot. I

mean I told my OB, her pediatrician, all the nurses,

even the anesthesiologist. I made the nursery nurse

write on her chart that she was NOT to receive the Hep

B shot. My husband went with her and stayed with her

until they brought her to me after recovery. She has

not received any vaccines yet - she will be two in

July and she has only had three colds since she was

born. She is very healthy. Her pediatrician didn't

outwardly give me a hard time about not vaccinating

but I know he wasn't happy about it. He also reported

me to the health department and I received a letter

from them stating that I was to send them immediately

the name of her pediatrican along with proof of her

vaccines. I filed that letter right where it belonged

- in the trashcan. Then at my daughter's 6 month

appointment when her pediatrician finally figured it

out that I was not going to be vaccinating her any

time soon, he tells me " well, she really doesn't need

the hep B until she is two years old. " So why are

they giving tiny little babies Hep B before they are

even 24 hours old. It just makes me so mad. Sorry

for the long post.

--- l_shepard@... wrote:

> You might want to make it very clear in writing to

> your doc/hospital that you do not want the baby to

> get the Hep B if indeed that's the case. They

> ususally give it on day one and some report they get

> the mother (or father) to sign when she's too

> tired/excited for informed consent. Most

> docs/hospitals will probably give you a hard time

> for saying you don't want it...

> S

>

> On Thu, 21 February 2002, Nomoremetals@...

> wrote:

>

> >

> > <html><body>

> >

> > <tt>

> > In a message dated 2/21/02 9:06:29 AM Central

> Standard Time,

> > jayroeta@... writes:

> >

> > & gt; . HOw would I know right away what to expect

> if my baby had been affected

> > & gt; and when is the right time to start

> treatment? What do most moms do for

> > & gt; their babies or do they wait until they are

> older?

> >

> > Aside from the testing I just posted about, you

> probably wouldn't see any

> > obvious symptoms for the first six months or

> so. & nbsp; The problems become more

> > obvious as the child develops and begins to show

> problems with the visual and

> > auditory systems and overall development. & nbsp; If

> you want to be really sure that

> > your baby is developing properly, get ahold of a

> good developmental skills

> > list and follow that carefully. & nbsp; One of the

> most comprehensive is the

> > Carolina Curriculum for Special Needs Infants

> & amp; Toddlers which you can order

> > at amazon.com. & nbsp; It has an extremely

> comprehensive list of skills, broken down

> > in subareas, with the age ranges most kids develop

> these skills plus

> > instructions on how to understand if the child is

> doing this or not and how

> > to build the skills. & nbsp; It could give you nice

> reassurance that your baby is

> > developing nicely or catch any areas that need

> some help.

> >

> > As far as when to start treatment if your baby is

> toxic, you'd have to talk

> > to an experienced toxicity doctor for that

> answer. & nbsp; Most of the people I know

> > have not discovered the problem until the child is

> much older but some have

> > started as early as age 2. & nbsp; It may be

> possible to start even younger or at

> > least have a doctor monitor things since it is

> also possible that a baby

> > could eliminate the metals on its own if its detox

> systems are working well

> > and it doesn't have a large exposure.

> > Gaylen

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> > </tt>

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February 21, 2002

I thought Hep B was a sexually transmitted disease - so why on earth are

children having it anyway??? I don't see babies romping around in the nurseries

do you?

Terri NZ

Re: [ ] Re: Gaylen/flu shot question

My baby girl was born july 2000 and I made if VERY

clear to everyone I came in contact with at the

hospital that she was not to get the Hep B shot. I

mean I told my OB, her pediatrician, all the nurses,

even the anesthesiologist. I made the nursery nurse

write on her chart that she was NOT to receive the Hep

B shot. My husband went with her and stayed with her

until they brought her to me after recovery. She has

not received any vaccines yet - she will be two in

July and she has only had three colds since she was

born. She is very healthy. Her pediatrician didn't

outwardly give me a hard time about not vaccinating

but I know he wasn't happy about it. He also reported

me to the health department and I received a letter

from them stating that I was to send them immediately

the name of her pediatrican along with proof of her

vaccines. I filed that letter right where it belonged

- in the trashcan. Then at my daughter's 6 month

appointment when her pediatrician finally figured it

out that I was not going to be vaccinating her any

time soon, he tells me " well, she really doesn't need

the hep B until she is two years old. " So why are

they giving tiny little babies Hep B before they are

even 24 hours old. It just makes me so mad. Sorry

for the long post.

--- l_shepard@... wrote:

> You might want to make it very clear in writing to

> your doc/hospital that you do not want the baby to

> get the Hep B if indeed that's the case. They

> ususally give it on day one and some report they get

> the mother (or father) to sign when she's too

> tired/excited for informed consent. Most

> docs/hospitals will probably give you a hard time

> for saying you don't want it...

> S

>

> On Thu, 21 February 2002, Nomoremetals@...

> wrote:

>

> >

> > <html><body>

> >

> > <tt>

> > In a message dated 2/21/02 9:06:29 AM Central

> Standard Time,

> > jayroeta@... writes:

> >

> > & gt; . HOw would I know right away what to expect

> if my baby had been affected

> > & gt; and when is the right time to start

> treatment? What do most moms do for

> > & gt; their babies or do they wait until they are

> older?

> >

> > Aside from the testing I just posted about, you

> probably wouldn't see any

> > obvious symptoms for the first six months or

> so. & nbsp; The problems become more

> > obvious as the child develops and begins to show

> problems with the visual and

> > auditory systems and overall development. & nbsp; If

> you want to be really sure that

> > your baby is developing properly, get ahold of a

> good developmental skills

> > list and follow that carefully. & nbsp; One of the

> most comprehensive is the

> > Carolina Curriculum for Special Needs Infants

> & amp; Toddlers which you can order

> > at amazon.com. & nbsp; It has an extremely

> comprehensive list of skills, broken down

> > in subareas, with the age ranges most kids develop

> these skills plus

> > instructions on how to understand if the child is

> doing this or not and how

> > to build the skills. & nbsp; It could give you nice

> reassurance that your baby is

> > developing nicely or catch any areas that need

> some help.

> >

> > As far as when to start treatment if your baby is

> toxic, you'd have to talk

> > to an experienced toxicity doctor for that

> answer. & nbsp; Most of the people I know

> > have not discovered the problem until the child is

> much older but some have

> > started as early as age 2. & nbsp; It may be

> possible to start even younger or at

> > least have a doctor monitor things since it is

> also possible that a baby

> > could eliminate the metals on its own if its detox

> systems are working well

> > and it doesn't have a large exposure.

> > Gaylen

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> > </tt>

> >

> >

> >

> >

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February 21, 2002

It IS sexually transmitted or drug IV use transmitted.

I promised the pediatrician that my baby would not be

having sex or shooting up drugs in the nursery and

would not be doing it at the age of 2 either.

--- s <rat.richards@...>

wrote:

> I thought Hep B was a sexually transmitted disease -

> so why on earth are children having it anyway??? I

> don't see babies romping around in the nurseries do

> you?

>

> Terri NZ

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Gaylen/flu shot

> question

>

> My baby girl was born july 2000 and I made if VERY

> clear to everyone I came in contact with at the

> hospital that she was not to get the Hep B shot.

> I

> mean I told my OB, her pediatrician, all the

> nurses,

> even the anesthesiologist. I made the nursery

> nurse

> write on her chart that she was NOT to receive the

> Hep

> B shot. My husband went with her and stayed with

> her

> until they brought her to me after recovery. She

> has

> not received any vaccines yet - she will be two in

> July and she has only had three colds since she

> was

> born. She is very healthy. Her pediatrician

> didn't

> outwardly give me a hard time about not

> vaccinating

> but I know he wasn't happy about it. He also

> reported

> me to the health department and I received a

> letter

> from them stating that I was to send them

> immediately

> the name of her pediatrican along with proof of

> her

> vaccines. I filed that letter right where it

> belonged

> - in the trashcan. Then at my daughter's 6 month

> appointment when her pediatrician finally figured

> it

> out that I was not going to be vaccinating her any

> time soon, he tells me " well, she really doesn't

> need

> the hep B until she is two years old. " So why are

> they giving tiny little babies Hep B before they

> are

> even 24 hours old. It just makes me so mad.

> Sorry

> for the long post.

> --- l_shepard@... wrote:

> > You might want to make it very clear in writing

> to

> > your doc/hospital that you do not want the baby

> to

> > get the Hep B if indeed that's the case. They

> > ususally give it on day one and some report they

> get

> > the mother (or father) to sign when she's too

> > tired/excited for informed consent. Most

> > docs/hospitals will probably give you a hard

> time

> > for saying you don't want it...

> > S

> >

> > On Thu, 21 February 2002, Nomoremetals@...

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > <html><body>

> > >

> > > <tt>

> > > In a message dated 2/21/02 9:06:29 AM Central

> > Standard Time,

> > > jayroeta@... writes:

> > >

> > > & gt; . HOw would I know right away what to

> expect

> > if my baby had been affected

> > > & gt; and when is the right time to start

> > treatment? What do most moms do for

> > > & gt; their babies or do they wait until they

> are

> > older?

> > >

> > > Aside from the testing I just posted about,

> you

> > probably wouldn't see any

> > > obvious symptoms for the first six months or

> > so. & nbsp; The problems become more

> > > obvious as the child develops and begins to

> show

> > problems with the visual and

> > > auditory systems and overall

> development. & nbsp; If

> > you want to be really sure that

> > > your baby is developing properly, get ahold of

> a

> > good developmental skills

> > > list and follow that carefully. & nbsp; One of

> the

> > most comprehensive is the

> > > Carolina Curriculum for Special Needs Infants

> > & amp; Toddlers which you can order

> > > at amazon.com. & nbsp; It has an extremely

> > comprehensive list of skills, broken down

> > > in subareas, with the age ranges most kids

> develop

> > these skills plus

> > > instructions on how to understand if the child

> is

> > doing this or not and how

> > > to build the skills. & nbsp; It could give you

> nice

> > reassurance that your baby is

> > > developing nicely or catch any areas that need

> > some help.

> > >

> > > As far as when to start treatment if your baby

> is

> > toxic, you'd have to talk

> > > to an experienced toxicity doctor for that

> > answer. & nbsp; Most of the people I know

> > > have not discovered the problem until the

> child is

> > much older but some have

> > > started as early as age 2. & nbsp; It may be

> > possible to start even younger or at

> > > least have a doctor monitor things since it is

> > also possible that a baby

> > > could eliminate the metals on its own if its

> detox

> > systems are working well

> > > and it doesn't have a large exposure.

> > > Gaylen

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> > > </tt>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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February 22, 2002

I am very worried that they will give this baby the Hep B shot without my

permission and am going to do the same as you, including making my husband

spend every minute with her when she's not with me. Do you think it would be

a bad idea to put a note on the bassinet that says if they inject my baby

with any vaccines we WILL sue the hospital? LOL

BTW: My daughter (almost 2) has practically had a cold evey day since she

had 4 (!) shots last November. Before that she was never sick.

Suzanne

on 2/21/02 10:02 PM, m. at flablows@... wrote:

My baby girl was born july 2000 and I made if VERY

clear to everyone I came in contact with at the

hospital that she was not to get the Hep B shot. I

mean I told my OB, her pediatrician, all the nurses,

even the anesthesiologist. I made the nursery nurse

write on her chart that she was NOT to receive the Hep

B shot. My husband went with her and stayed with her

until they brought her to me after recovery. She has

not received any vaccines yet - she will be two in

July and she has only had three colds since she was

born. She is very healthy.

February 22, 2002

Good for you. Don't let the doctors pressure you into

anything. I have a good friend named Jill. Jill has

another friend Tracey whose son is also autistic and

we both believe our children's autism was a result of

the vaccines. Jill has another good friend name

(you got all these names straight:). had a baby

and Jill begged her not to vaccinate him.

discussed it with her pediatrician and got the " it

only happens on very rare occassions - you don't have

anything to worry about " speech. So went ahead

and vaccinated her baby boy. An hour after the

vaccines, kelly's baby started having seizures and

spent a week in the hospital. The baby is now 10

months old and can't even lift his head up by himself.

The doctors tell her that he has brain damage but

they don't know to what extent. I was so angry at

kelly when Jill told me about her baby. I wish

someone had told me about the dangers of vaccines when

my son was a baby - I NEVER would of vaccinated. But

like all of us, she did what she thought was best for

her son and what the " experts " told her. It's really

very sad. So you stick to your guns. That is your

baby and you have a right to say what will be done to

him/her. Of course, it may get you locked up but

that's another story - just kidding. When are you

due?

--- Suzanne Dunford <wykhurst@...> wrote:

> I am very worried that they will give this baby the

> Hep B shot without my

> permission and am going to do the same as you,

> including making my husband

> spend every minute with her when she's not with me.

> Do you think it would be

> a bad idea to put a note on the bassinet that says

> if they inject my baby

> with any vaccines we WILL sue the hospital? LOL

>

> BTW: My daughter (almost 2) has practically had a

> cold evey day since she

> had 4 (!) shots last November. Before that she was

> never sick.

>

> Suzanne

>

> on 2/21/02 10:02 PM, m. at flablows@... wrote:

>

> My baby girl was born july 2000 and I made if VERY

> clear to everyone I came in contact with at the

> hospital that she was not to get the Hep B shot. I

> mean I told my OB, her pediatrician, all the nurses,

> even the anesthesiologist. I made the nursery nurse

> write on her chart that she was NOT to receive the

> Hep

> B shot. My husband went with her and stayed with

> her

> until they brought her to me after recovery. She

> has

> not received any vaccines yet - she will be two in

> July and she has only had three colds since she was

> born. She is very healthy.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

__________________________________________________

February 22, 2002

You better get something in writing! And then yes, tape a large note on the

bassinet!!

I didn't want mine to be given any formula or sugar water. Got my doctor to

write an order for me. Still had to watch him like a hawk!

Lolita

>am very worried that they will give this baby the Hep B shot without my

>permission and am going to do the same as you, including making my husband

>spend every minute with her when she's not with me. Do you think it would be

>a bad idea to put a note on the bassinet that says if they inject my baby

>with any vaccines we WILL sue the hospital? LOL

February 23, 2002

Amen Lolita!

I told the doctor over and over that I planned to breast feed and efforts

were sabatoged by her staff. Less than 2 hours after birth, by baby was

given formula and sugar water. So get it in writing and have it pasted on

the bassinet and nurses station! Sheila

>From: Lolita Cook <lita@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Re: Gaylen/flu shot question

>Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:03:54 -0500

>

>You better get something in writing! And then yes, tape a large note on the

>bassinet!!

>

>I didn't want mine to be given any formula or sugar water. Got my doctor to

>write an order for me. Still had to watch him like a hawk!

>

>Lolita

>

> >am very worried that they will give this baby the Hep B shot without my

> >permission and am going to do the same as you, including making my

>husband

> >spend every minute with her when she's not with me. Do you think it would

>be

> >a bad idea to put a note on the bassinet that says if they inject my baby

> >with any vaccines we WILL sue the hospital? LOL

>

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