Re: no tummy problems and AF

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Re: no tummy problems and AF

> Hi Fran,

>

> This is a difficult one to answer. A rich pasta dish got me to the

> hospital with a racing afibbing heart and difficulties breathing. I

> had tummy problems before and after taking my meds. So no connection

> there I guess. In addition I also had problems with breathing that I

> thought were related to my tummy. Gulping air, belching. When I

> discussed this with a nutritionist, she took me off dairy products,

> wheat products and much more. Now I am still afibbing, but no more

> tummy or breathing (unless I really exert myself) problems.

>

> /

>

>

I am really coming round to the feeling that the AF and the other problems I

have had are allergic reactions to foods or additives in my diet. I am sort

of stuck now. I have got my AF to be near enough non existent, but the

ectopics are still a pain. Also I can feel my breathing is getting less

laboured, but I am now developing lots of cramps and am still having

reactive hypoglycemia.

I just know that what I have is a problem with certain foods. I found out

about the additives. I need to find out about the rest and hopefully my

wholistic Dr who I have been refferred too (but will not be able to see me

until December) will help me out. Seemingly my reaction to taking

supplements is also known well in the allergy world. I will be so releived

and sort of angry if it turns out that my frightening health problems just

turned out to be an allergy all this time. I just wonder why more Dr's don't

check these things out in the beginning.

Fran.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ellen

By tummy problems I mean that digestion problems, heartburn etc coming with

AF. Is it GERD? As the only problem I have with my digestion is that I

always feel hungry. Not in pain, no heartburn, no extra wind. IT feels as if

I have digested the food within minutes of consuming it, but there is no

tummy problems with pain, jsut reactive blood sugar levels.

IT would be futile for me to change my subject heading as it said what I was

asking. I don't expect to get answers from anyone who cannot respond and

obviously I realise that no-one can read all the posts. My problem was that

the question was changed but the subject heading was not. So I am thinking I

am getting replies, but they were replies to the other question which were

about " tummy problems with AF " .

I know it is silly to get worked up about little things, but this is

probably part of my problem and AF. I do get stressed. But I fight it and

every so often I have a real battle with myself not to explode. But it only

happens rarely now.

I would do a Poll, but I was feeling the way first. I just wanted to monitor

the replies to see if it was worthwhile. And if it was, then I would have

some feedback to form my questions round. Does that make sense.

Sorry for ranting this over and over. But I do think if someone takes the

trouble to write to me, I should take the trouble to answer. This is just my

upbringing though. And not a requisite for life.

Fran

Re: no tummy problems and AF

> Hi Fran:

>

> I'm not too sure how to respond to your topic. It depends upon what you

mean by *tummy* problems. If it's an absolute lousy feeling all over - then

I guess I have had tummy problems with my Afib.

>

> I have been amiss lately in posting my usual message about the size of our

group and the number of messages that pass by our Board on a daily basis.

It's almost impossible to respond to absolutely everyone's post.........and

if anyone, or any inquiry, is overlooked, the only suggestion that we have

is to give it another try.

>

> We have so many caring members and/or moderators always on hand - and

somewhere down the road, if a message isn't responded to the first time,

someone will catch it the second time around. Also, if your heading is

innocently altered, you have the opportunity to correct it on the second

try.

>

> Another for sure way of getting an immediate reply is to create your own

Poll. It's not only informative, but fun!

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/polls

>

>

> Ellen

> 69 NC

> (NSR on Dofetilde)

> *********************

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Frances Ross

> (snip) It was not so much that no-one answered as I only expected

answers from those that do not (and there maybe nobody), but the fact that

my question was hijacked by another one back to tummy problems. I get so

frustrated when I write to the board as I hardly ever get feedback. I got

upset as I feel negatiated at times. Moan over

> ***************

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ellen

By tummy problems I mean that digestion problems, heartburn etc coming with

AF. Is it GERD? As the only problem I have with my digestion is that I

always feel hungry. Not in pain, no heartburn, no extra wind. IT feels as if

I have digested the food within minutes of consuming it, but there is no

tummy problems with pain, jsut reactive blood sugar levels.

IT would be futile for me to change my subject heading as it said what I was

asking. I don't expect to get answers from anyone who cannot respond and

obviously I realise that no-one can read all the posts. My problem was that

the question was changed but the subject heading was not. So I am thinking I

am getting replies, but they were replies to the other question which were

about " tummy problems with AF " .

I know it is silly to get worked up about little things, but this is

probably part of my problem and AF. I do get stressed. But I fight it and

every so often I have a real battle with myself not to explode. But it only

happens rarely now.

I would do a Poll, but I was feeling the way first. I just wanted to monitor

the replies to see if it was worthwhile. And if it was, then I would have

some feedback to form my questions round. Does that make sense.

Sorry for ranting this over and over. But I do think if someone takes the

trouble to write to me, I should take the trouble to answer. This is just my

upbringing though. And not a requisite for life.

Fran

Re: no tummy problems and AF

> Hi Fran:

>

> I'm not too sure how to respond to your topic. It depends upon what you

mean by *tummy* problems. If it's an absolute lousy feeling all over - then

I guess I have had tummy problems with my Afib.

>

> I have been amiss lately in posting my usual message about the size of our

group and the number of messages that pass by our Board on a daily basis.

It's almost impossible to respond to absolutely everyone's post.........and

if anyone, or any inquiry, is overlooked, the only suggestion that we have

is to give it another try.

>

> We have so many caring members and/or moderators always on hand - and

somewhere down the road, if a message isn't responded to the first time,

someone will catch it the second time around. Also, if your heading is

innocently altered, you have the opportunity to correct it on the second

try.

>

> Another for sure way of getting an immediate reply is to create your own

Poll. It's not only informative, but fun!

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/polls

>

>

> Ellen

> 69 NC

> (NSR on Dofetilde)

> *********************

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Frances Ross

> (snip) It was not so much that no-one answered as I only expected

answers from those that do not (and there maybe nobody), but the fact that

my question was hijacked by another one back to tummy problems. I get so

frustrated when I write to the board as I hardly ever get feedback. I got

upset as I feel negatiated at times. Moan over

> ***************

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: no tummy problems and AF

>

> > Eating has a really odd effect on the heart it put your heart under

> a lot of pressure, hence one of the reasons you feel tired after a

> big meal,( the other is the energy used by your intestine to digest

> your food.

> > If was this effort of the heart after a meal that was thought to

> make you go into AF and not tummy problems.

>

> Hi, ,

>

> That may well be. But I think there is also some direct effect of

> eating on the heart. I know when I am in a fragile state that even

> drinking a swallow of water will make my heart jump, as will any sort

> of burp or hiccup. I have always thought of these things as whacking

> the vagus nerve, but who knows...

My take on the above is that when you are digesting food your autonomic

nervous system switches mode. To digest your food the sympathetic nervous

system (vagal) comes into play. Blood is taken away from the extremities to

focus on doing the job of the vital organs, digestion, heart, breathing etc.

This is why you feel tired after a heavy meal. Your bodies enegies are

focused on doing a survival job. When the digestion is over, the autonomic

nervous system switches back and the parasympathetic takes control again. (I

may have sympathetic and parasymptathetic the wrong way round). I have read

much about this in many papers so I think it is well known in the medical

proffession. I just don't know why they don;t look into it.

Fran>

>

>

>

>

>

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Re: no tummy problems and AF

>

> > Eating has a really odd effect on the heart it put your heart under

> a lot of pressure, hence one of the reasons you feel tired after a

> big meal,( the other is the energy used by your intestine to digest

> your food.

> > If was this effort of the heart after a meal that was thought to

> make you go into AF and not tummy problems.

>

> Hi, ,

>

> That may well be. But I think there is also some direct effect of

> eating on the heart. I know when I am in a fragile state that even

> drinking a swallow of water will make my heart jump, as will any sort

> of burp or hiccup. I have always thought of these things as whacking

> the vagus nerve, but who knows...

My take on the above is that when you are digesting food your autonomic

nervous system switches mode. To digest your food the sympathetic nervous

system (vagal) comes into play. Blood is taken away from the extremities to

focus on doing the job of the vital organs, digestion, heart, breathing etc.

This is why you feel tired after a heavy meal. Your bodies enegies are

focused on doing a survival job. When the digestion is over, the autonomic

nervous system switches back and the parasympathetic takes control again. (I

may have sympathetic and parasymptathetic the wrong way round). I have read

much about this in many papers so I think it is well known in the medical

proffession. I just don't know why they don;t look into it.

Fran>

>

>

>

>

>

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be acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

>

>

[Guest guest]

--Fran,

I used to get stressed just before I went into AF, I have mentioned this before

when I returned to NSR I felt this calming effect. I cannot really explain it

but it was so nice and gentle . It only lasted for about one hour then I

returned to the real world.

I have no explanation on this except opps another of my theories not tried and

tested though, I know your heart puts out an enzyme it causes the big P.(Prof.

H) when in AF. There is another school of thought from SGHMS London that it

makes your lungs go into a spasm in some of us hence the shortness of breath.

Perhaps, is this enzyme goes around the body what happens when it stops? would

it cause this calming effect..

FRAN Honestly!!!

dont worry about be stressed on this board, I have spent many a night where I

could not breath so frustrated with life and I use to take it out on the

Internet.

This is a board for sick people, support and comfort that's what we are all here

for. I will add I will not tolerate on this board Perverts and spams and you do

not fall into either of those categories.

best regards

C

Ellen I seem to be generating lots of mails when do I get my kickback from Yahoo

LOL

Hi Ellen

By tummy problems I mean that digestion problems, heartburn etc coming with

AF. Is it GERD? As the only problem I have with my digestion is that I

always feel hungry. Not in pain, no heartburn, no extra wind. IT feels as if

I have digested the food within minutes of consuming it, but there is no

tummy problems with pain, jsut reactive blood sugar levels.

IT would be futile for me to change my subject heading as it said what I was

asking. I don't expect to get answers from anyone who cannot respond and

obviously I realise that no-one can read all the posts. My problem was that

the question was changed but the subject heading was not. So I am thinking I

am getting replies, but they were replies to the other question which were

about " tummy problems with AF " .

I know it is silly to get worked up about little things, but this is

probably part of my problem and AF. I do get stressed. But I fight it and

every so often I have a real battle with myself not to explode. But it only

happens rarely now.

I would do a Poll, but I was feeling the way first. I just wanted to monitor

the replies to see if it was worthwhile. And if it was, then I would have

some feedback to form my questions round. Does that make sense.

Sorry for ranting this over and over. But I do think if someone takes the

trouble to write to me, I should take the trouble to answer. This is just my

upbringing though. And not a requisite for life.

Fran

Re: no tummy problems and AF

> Hi Fran:

>

> I'm not too sure how to respond to your topic. It depends upon what you

mean by *tummy* problems. If it's an absolute lousy feeling all over - then

I guess I have had tummy problems with my Afib.

>

> I have been amiss lately in posting my usual message about the size of our

group and the number of messages that pass by our Board on a daily basis.

It's almost impossible to respond to absolutely everyone's post.........and

if anyone, or any inquiry, is overlooked, the only suggestion that we have

is to give it another try.

>

> We have so many caring members and/or moderators always on hand - and

somewhere down the road, if a message isn't responded to the first time,

someone will catch it the second time around. Also, if your heading is

innocently altered, you have the opportunity to correct it on the second

try.

>

> Another for sure way of getting an immediate reply is to create your own

Poll. It's not only informative, but fun!

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/polls

>

>

> Ellen

> 69 NC

> (NSR on Dofetilde)

> *********************

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Frances Ross

> (snip) It was not so much that no-one answered as I only expected

answers from those that do not (and there maybe nobody), but the fact that

my question was hijacked by another one back to tummy problems. I get so

frustrated when I write to the board as I hardly ever get feedback. I got

upset as I feel negatiated at times. Moan over

> ***************

>

>

>

>

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> Posting of May 16, 2002, 10:35 EST

NEW: Thought these articles may be of interest

DATELINE: VANCOUVER, British Columbia, May 13, 2002 BODY: Cardiome Pharma Corp

( " Cardiome " ) (OTCBB:COMRF) (TSE:COM) announced today that a pre-clinical study

of its lead antiarrhythmic drug, RSD1235, was reported at the 23rd meeting of

the North American Society for Pacing and Electrophysiology (NASPE), in San

Diego, May 8-11, 2002. The study, a collaborative effort between Cardiome and

Dr. Stanley Nattel of the Montreal Heart Institute, demonstrated a rapid and

selective termination of atrial fibrillation (AF) in a canine model. RSD1235 is

a new chemical entity designed to treat atrial fibrillation (AF). Its mechanism

of action involves blockade of multiple ion channels important in managing AF.

RSD1235 has a wide safety range in pre-clinical studies. In Phase I clinical

testing, no significant adverse events were observed including no signs of

cardiac depression, " torsades " or central nervous system (CNS) liability, even

at dosing levels up to five-fold above the expected !

effective dose. Phase II efficacy studies are currently underway with completion

expected the second half of 2002. " While we are encouraged by the high safety

profile of RSD1235 from our Phase I trial, we have undertaken additional

pre-clinical validation studies to confirm the novelty and efficacy of RSD1235

relative to currently prescribed antiarrhythmic drugs, " explains Dr. Greg

Beatch, VP External Scientific Affairs and lead author of the study. " These

results are especially encouraging because the study was designed to predict

RSD1235's efficacy in patients with persistent AF. " In order to evaluate the

drug's effectiveness in a setting resembling persistent AF seen in the clinic,

the canine model involved chronic rapid atrial pacing prior to drug testing. The

study evaluated the efficacy of RSD1235 for conversion of AF and measured its

atrial specificity by confirming that desired electrical changes occurred in the

upper chambers of the heart without altering function i!

n the lower chambers. Currently available antiarrhythmics are known to alter

normal electrical function, and can produce serious side effects by disturbing

electrical activity in the lower chambers of the heart. The report concluded

that RSD1235 rapidly terminated AF in a dose dependent fashion and displayed

marked atrial selectivity in this canine model. " No single antiarrhythmic has

proven to be both safe and effective for the treatment of AF, " noted Dr. Stanley

Nattel. " We know at least in terms of how the drug behaves pharmacologically,

RSD1235 seems to have a reduced risk of being pro-arrhythmic. " The primary

endpoint of the ongoing Phase II study will be conversion of AF within 30

minutes of infusion. RSD1235 is currently formulated for IV use for acute

termination in hospital. The 60 patient, placebo-controlled, double-blinded

study is being conducted at 20 sites throughout North America.

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[Guest guest]

I have a-fib, and have no tummy problems

Please allow a change to stomach problems. I eat ice cream every day,

T-bones, 2 times a week, chicken 2 times, fish 2 times. Lots of eggs.

Feeling short as per your definition is beyond my scope. I would never

allow myself to get in that situation, where I would lose control and

explode. We call that going " postal " . I would stop what ever I was doing

immediately, and make it go away. Stress causes a-fib in most folks, and

just in

case I happen to be one of them, this would be unacceptable behavior to me.

I lived like that once, as a manager of a logistics department. Went in one

morning, and cleaned out my desk, and never looked back. I feel that we

make our own way, and must have control over ourselves to live in this

society. Please don't feel short again, because it does not do anybody any

good, and in fact, makes people short too, and may keep them from listening

when you have something important to say.

Have fun, life is to short to take it to seriously, and no-one is going to

get out of it alive anyway.

Walt, being resonable

From: " Frances Ross " <>

> . I only asked if there was

> anyone who had AF with no tummy problems. > I have an article to

> forward to C about his theory) to be changed to Tummy problems and AF

> or something else to distinguish between the two.

>

> Hope that clarifies. I hate feeling short,

>

> Short means that instance when you realise that everything you are looking

> for is going nowhere, or back down the same track you were trying to get

> away from. It means frustrated, a degree before boiling point when you

feel

> you might explode. A symptom of stress. I don't mean anyof this personally

> against anyone. It is frustration with me, as either I am going the wrong

> way about it, or my message is not getting across.

>

> Fran in the overcast and midgy North-West Highlands.

>

>

> ----- > > How does short feel??

> >

> > Sorry I feel a bit short tonight.

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have afib and no tummy problems

guy in Ia

[Guest guest]

Frances Ross wrote:

> I only asked if there was anyone who had AF with no tummy problems.

Hi, Frances. I guess I'm one of the ones you got short about. Sorry. I somehow

missed your question as I don't remember ever reading

it before now. I do NOT get tummy problems when in AF. My AF seems to be

adrenergic, or mostly so, and I've always assumed that the

tummy problems were reserved for the vagal types.

Best of luck,

S. (75, Houston)

[Guest guest]

Frances Ross wrote:

> I only asked if there was anyone who had AF with no tummy problems.

Hi, Frances. I guess I'm one of the ones you got short about. Sorry. I somehow

missed your question as I don't remember ever reading

it before now. I do NOT get tummy problems when in AF. My AF seems to be

adrenergic, or mostly so, and I've always assumed that the

tummy problems were reserved for the vagal types.

Best of luck,

S. (75, Houston)

[Guest guest]

Frances Ross wrote:

> I only asked if there was anyone who had AF with no tummy problems.

Hi, Frances. I guess I'm one of the ones you got short about. Sorry. I somehow

missed your question as I don't remember ever reading

it before now. I do NOT get tummy problems when in AF. My AF seems to be

adrenergic, or mostly so, and I've always assumed that the

tummy problems were reserved for the vagal types.

Best of luck,

S. (75, Houston)

[Guest guest]

Hi Fran,

Referring to my earlier answer, there are times when my heart and

tummy will react in unison. For instance when I indulged in sugary

white flour desserts (not allowed on my diet). The result a

gurgling, rumbling tummy, a raised heart rate, a less alert brain and

feeling not quite right, possibly minor cramps.

Under severe pressure and stress, heart and tummy (digestive system)

will also react, but with different results.

In my case walking, Yoga, sometimes drinking water will improve

reactions.

So for me, sticking to my diet is very important. At least that way

I have some control.

/

> >

> I am really coming round to the feeling that the AF and the other

problems I

> have had are allergic reactions to foods or additives in my diet. I

am sort

> of stuck now. I have got my AF to be near enough non existent, but

the

> ectopics are still a pain. Also I can feel my breathing is getting

less

> laboured, but I am now developing lots of cramps and am still having

> reactive hypoglycemia.

> Fran.