Re: no tummy problems and AF

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In a message dated 7/3/2002 10:41:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

john.codling@... writes:

<< All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble that is not

taking Wafarin?

>>

I had the stomach problems long before I started taking Coumadin. The

stomach problems started about nineteen years ago when the afib started. One

of my earliest afib memories is of hiking through a forest, blissfully eating

not completely ripe wild blackberries. About four hours later amid acute

stomach distress I not so blissfully developed afib. I have only been taking

Coumadin for three out of my nineteen years of afib, and my stomach is

actually much better now after stopping the milk although I continue to take

Coumadin.

in sinus in Seattle

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All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble that is not

taking Wafarin?

john C Uk

no tummy problems and AF

I keep reading about people with vagal type AF who have problems with their

tummy's too. My associated problems seem to be more with breathing (though I

do not have asthma) and other things in the ANS. I have never had a problem

with my tummy - and was just wondering how many people DO NOT have digestive

problems with their AF?

Fran

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All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble that is not

taking Wafarin?

john C Uk

no tummy problems and AF

I keep reading about people with vagal type AF who have problems with their

tummy's too. My associated problems seem to be more with breathing (though I

do not have asthma) and other things in the ANS. I have never had a problem

with my tummy - and was just wondering how many people DO NOT have digestive

problems with their AF?

Fran

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> All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble that

is not taking Wafarin?

Hi, ,

Yes, I'm not on coumadin except on rare occasions when I've had afib

for long enough that my cardio has temp put me on coumadin.

However, I think there are two kinds of tummy trouble - I find that

digestive upsets trigger heart stuff for me, but also when I'm in

afib or multiple ectopics a minute, that seems to trigger digestive

stuff. So there's some vicious cycle. In afib/ectopics I often eat

as little as possible to calm stuff down, I wouldn't even drink water

if I didn't know dyehydration is bad for afib.

[Guest guest]

> All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble that

is not taking Wafarin?

Hi, ,

Yes, I'm not on coumadin except on rare occasions when I've had afib

for long enough that my cardio has temp put me on coumadin.

However, I think there are two kinds of tummy trouble - I find that

digestive upsets trigger heart stuff for me, but also when I'm in

afib or multiple ectopics a minute, that seems to trigger digestive

stuff. So there's some vicious cycle. In afib/ectopics I often eat

as little as possible to calm stuff down, I wouldn't even drink water

if I didn't know dyehydration is bad for afib.

[Guest guest]

p.s. My cardio says I'm her only patient who has digestive stuff

trigger arrhythmias, except for one other, who has it trigger SVT.

So I guess that's something to be thankful for. SVT makes afib look

good.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

would you be interested in making this a poll? just curious as to why you

ask the question -- do you have a theory?

I am weighing in as an AF'er with tummy troubles but not taking warfarin.

(I take enteric aspirin 325mg daily.)

Sandy

55

Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

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nsr! :-) \o/

RE: no tummy problems and AF

> All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble that is not

taking Wafarin?

>

>

> john C Uk

[Guest guest]

The subject heading of this post is NO TUMMY PROBLEMS AND AF. Or do my

questions not count? Shall I start another thread to see if I can get any

answers to my original question. Sorry I feel a bit short tonight, but I

really would like to get an answer.

> Hi ,

>

> would you be interested in making this a poll? just curious as to why you

> ask the question -- do you have a theory?

>

> I am weighing in as an AF'er with tummy troubles but not taking warfarin.

> (I take enteric aspirin 325mg daily.)

>

> Sandy

> 55

> Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

> code orange bad air day and hot as blazes

> nsr! :-) \o/

>

> RE: no tummy problems and AF

>

>

> > All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble that is

not

> taking Wafarin?

> >

> >

> > john C Uk

>

>

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Fran, your questions count.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I did not respond to your question about

NO TUMMY PROBLEMS AND AF because I do not fit into that category. I HAVE

" tummy problems " AND afib. I don't know what it's like to have AF without

" tummy problems. "

Sandy

Re: no tummy problems and AF

> The subject heading of this post is NO TUMMY PROBLEMS AND AF. Or do my

> questions not count? Shall I start another thread to see if I can get any

> answers to my original question. Sorry I feel a bit short tonight, but I

> really would like to get an answer.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for getting back. It was not so much that no-one answered as I only

expected answers from those that do not (and there maybe nobody), but the

fact that my question was hijacked by another one back to tummy problems. I

get so frustrated when I write to the board as I hardly ever get feedback. I

got upset as I feel negatiated at times.

Moan over

Fran

Re: no tummy problems and AF

>

>

> > The subject heading of this post is NO TUMMY PROBLEMS AND AF. Or do my

> > questions not count? Shall I start another thread to see if I can get

any

> > answers to my original question. Sorry I feel a bit short tonight, but I

> > really would like to get an answer.

>

>

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Guys I have left the thread on this so you can catch up I hope this makes sense.

Please dont think I am being condescending but I am a bit of an old timer with

AF, I have tried all the drugs yes all of them with the exception of Azimilide

and Beta blocker.

This is only my theory and nothing has been proven but before I suffered from AF

I never had tummy problems at all.

I was put on Verapamil and Digoxin my real first drug (I had been tried on

Disoprymyde and Kinder surales sp a complete waste of time) I still did not

have tummy problems that is until I was started on Wafarin. I noticed I got

bloated, pains in my left side of my tummy etc. I did not think much about this

as the AF was the most important thing. I then had the PVA and stopped taking

all heart drugs with the exception of Wafarin. I still got the pains etc and

other weird side effects.

I stopped taking the Wafarin in November last year and after a few months my

tummy went back to normal. The only problems I still have is that after stopping

this drug I have sort of become Hypothyriod and having trouble tolerating

Thyroxin ( I lost my thyroid gland to Amiodarone).

After I got mail about Amiodarone I am not saying to much but if you want to

have a lot on the web at side effects and wafarin.

Last point on Ectopics and Eating.

I dont think this is a tummy thing, I mentioned this to Prof. H and my London

EP. They both agreed that a lot of patients go in AF after a meal. The theory is

that everything we do changes the way the heart beats. Laughter, sadness,

excitement, almost every task has an effect on the heart , your heart does not

beat at a steady 75BPM but has a linear increase and decrease in rate,Eating has

a really odd effect on the heart it put your heart under a lot of pressure,

hence one of the reasons you feel tired after a big meal,( the other is the

energy used by your intestine to digest your food.

If was this effort of the heart after a meal that was thought to make you go

into AF and not tummy problems.

Again I must stress that this is only a theory.

I hope that helps and raises some food for thought no pun intended.

Regards

C

Rainy cold England

Re: no tummy problems and AF

The subject heading of this post is NO TUMMY PROBLEMS AND AF. Or do my

questions not count? Shall I start another thread to see if I can get any

answers to my original question. Sorry I feel a bit short tonight, but I

really would like to get an answer.

> Hi ,

>

> would you be interested in making this a poll? just curious as to why you

> ask the question -- do you have a theory?

>

> I am weighing in as an AF'er with tummy troubles but not taking warfarin.

> (I take enteric aspirin 325mg daily.)

>

> Sandy

> 55

> Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

> code orange bad air day and hot as blazes

> nsr! :-) \o/

>

> RE: no tummy problems and AF

>

>

> > All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble that is

not

> taking Wafarin?

> >

> >

> > john C Uk

>

>

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Hi Sandy

Just realised where you live I speak to Cary NC almost every day and your not

far form our office there Cable & wireless.

I have just posted a big mail if this generates some interest then I see no

reason why a poll should be started,

Best regards

john C

Re: no tummy problems and AF

Hi ,

would you be interested in making this a poll? just curious as to why you

ask the question -- do you have a theory?

I am weighing in as an AF'er with tummy troubles but not taking warfarin.

(I take enteric aspirin 325mg daily.)

Sandy

55

Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

code orange bad air day and hot as blazes

nsr! :-) \o/

RE: no tummy problems and AF

> All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble that is not

taking Wafarin?

>

>

> john C Uk

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Perhaps most people are taking wafarin, and didn't answer, because you

excluded them..

How does short feel??

walt in melt-down SC, had a rain, real gully-washer, right in the middle of

my driveway.today, just muggy.

Sorry I feel a bit short tonight, > >

> > > > All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble that

is

> not

> > taking Wafarin?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Fran,

This is a difficult one to answer. A rich pasta dish got me to the

hospital with a racing afibbing heart and difficulties breathing. I

had tummy problems before and after taking my meds. So no connection

there I guess. In addition I also had problems with breathing that I

thought were related to my tummy. Gulping air, belching. When I

discussed this with a nutritionist, she took me off dairy products,

wheat products and much more. Now I am still afibbing, but no more

tummy or breathing (unless I really exert myself) problems.

/

> I keep reading about people with vagal type AF who have problems

with their

> tummy's too. My associated problems seem to be more with breathing

(though I

> do not have asthma) and other things in the ANS. I have never had a

problem

> with my tummy - and was just wondering how many people DO NOT have

digestive

> problems with their AF?

>

> Fran

[Guest guest]

< and was just wondering how many people DO NOT have digestive

problems with their AF?>

no digestive problems here (and not on warfarin if that helps anybody

--

D (33, Leeds, UK)

[Guest guest]

Hi Fran:

I'm not too sure how to respond to your topic. It depends upon what you mean by

*tummy* problems. If it's an absolute lousy feeling all over - then I guess I

have had tummy problems with my Afib.

I have been amiss lately in posting my usual message about the size of our group

and the number of messages that pass by our Board on a daily basis. It's almost

impossible to respond to absolutely everyone's post.........and if anyone, or

any inquiry, is overlooked, the only suggestion that we have is to give it

another try.

We have so many caring members and/or moderators always on hand - and somewhere

down the road, if a message isn't responded to the first time, someone will

catch it the second time around. Also, if your heading is innocently altered,

you have the opportunity to correct it on the second try.

Another for sure way of getting an immediate reply is to create your own Poll.

It's not only informative, but fun!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/polls

Ellen

69 NC

(NSR on Dofetilde)

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----- Original Message -----

From: Frances Ross

(snip) It was not so much that no-one answered as I only expected answers from

those that do not (and there maybe nobody), but the fact that my question was

hijacked by another one back to tummy problems. I get so frustrated when I write

to the board as I hardly ever get feedback. I got upset as I feel negatiated at

times. Moan over

***************

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

We need everyone's comment, especially from an " old timer " . You are

just a little more colorful than others.

/

> After I got mail about Amiodarone I am not saying to much but if

you want to have a lot on the web at side effects and wafarin.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/3/2002 10:50:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

trudyjh@... writes:

<< However, I think there are two kinds of tummy trouble - I find that

digestive upsets trigger heart stuff for me, but also when I'm in

afib or multiple ectopics a minute, that seems to trigger digestive

stuff. So there's some vicious cycle. In afib/ectopics I often eat

as little as possible to calm stuff down, I wouldn't even drink water

if I didn't know dyehydration is bad for afib.

>>

Trudy,

You're right. My older brother, who is in permanent afib, had no idea that

he had afib when he finally sought a doctor's help about 13 years ago. He

thought that the trouble was completely in his stomach, so he went to a

gastroenterologist. He had no idea the problem was with his heart, but the

gastro doc took one look at him from the door of the examining room and said

immediately, " Your problem is your heart, not your stomach. " The doctor

could actually see the violent pulsing in the jugular vein in my brother's

neck before he even touched him to take his pulse, which was 180 at rest.

The wild, fast pulse was causing such stomach problems that my brother had

practically abandoned eating. He had tried every possible food combination,

but nothing worked until his pulse rate was slowed and controlled by Digoxin

and Atenolol. Within two days, his stomach was fine, all subsequent tests

have shown he has no stomach problem, and he was back to eating normally,

sleeping, walking, and all those other activities we take for granted. The

doctor said that the fast pulse had caused all of his stomach troubles. The

irregularity of pulse doesn't seem to be a problem for the stomach, but the

fast pulse is the culprit.

The other side of the coin that you mentioned, Trudy, is that the only time

he is aware of his afib now is when he eats something that disagrees with

him. In this case the stomach problem triggers a faster pulse and more

irregular heart beat. He will sometimes experience dizziness when this

happens infrequently and finds it necessary to rest. However, he doesn't

have half as much trouble with his stomach as I have had recently. Stomach

problems can't trigger afib for him because he's already in it all the time,

but stomach problems are definitely my most common trigger. My only afib

bout since March was triggered by a severe stomach virus; however, the afib

only lasted about 30 hours while the virus lasted for about five days. The

reverse has also been true of me, back in the days before I started taking

Atenolol, and a Holter monitor measured pulse rates as high as 240! On those

occasions I would invariably develop terrific stomach problems. My brother's

doctor said it's the rapid rate of pulse, not the afib itself that causes the

stomach disorder. It definitely does work both ways, as you said, Trudy.

in sinus in Seattle

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In a message dated 7/3/2002 7:33:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, trudyjh@...

writes:

<< I know when I am in a fragile state that even

drinking a swallow of water will make my heart jump, as will any sort

of burp or hiccup. I have always thought of these things as whacking

the vagus nerve, but who knows... >>

Trudy,

I used to have the same problem. When I mentioned it to my primary care

doctor, she said that the sinus node natural pacemaker is very close to the

esophagus, and that any eruption in the esophagus, such as a burp, hiccup,

swallowing food too fast, or drinking water could have an effect on the sinus

node of a sensitive person. In other words, it wouldn't bother a normal

person, just those who have some irregularity. Since my afib has improved, I

don't have that problem. I can drink water with more abandon now, although

I'm in the habit of being careful now after triggering afib so many times by

drinking water, even for the worthy purpose of washing down my Atenolol and

Verapamil.

in sinus in Seattle

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In a message dated 7/3/2002 12:30:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Frances@... writes:

<< The subject heading of this post is NO TUMMY PROBLEMS AND AF. Or do my

questions not count? Shall I start another thread to see if I can get any

answers to my original question >>

Frances,

It may be that the people who responded, saying they do not have stomach

problems with afib, may be the only ones who are in that blissful state,

except, of course, for me, who responded anyway because I'm always ready to

give my opinion. I would suspect that there are not many paroxysmal afibbers

who do not experience stomach problems and, therefore, would respond, but

there may be many permanent afibbers, like my older brother, who have found

the right med to keep the pulse rate down and are not having stomach

problems. My brother says most of the time he is not aware of his stomach at

all, but before he started the right meds, he was in serious trouble with his

stomach. In my case, it doesn't matter that my pulse is kept down to 60-70

by meds. I can still have stomach problems such as gas, a feeling of

pressure, and burping which often lead directly to afib. This problem has

abated, however, in the past four months. I hope it's permanently departed.

Perhaps people with paroxysmal afib, like me, have more trouble with stomach

problems than people like my brother who are in permanent afib controlled by

the right meds.

I think may have been trying to test the idea that Coumadin may be a

source of stomach problems for many. This may be true, although not of me,

but I think other meds may cause problems, too. For example, when I started

Verapamil, I was warned that it could cause constipation as a common side

effect, but I have not noticed that problem. As I said before, my stomach

problems started along with the afib and continued for the past nineteen

years, even though I took absolutely no meds for afib until six years after

my afib started. Ooops, I guess I ended up answering 's question after

all. However, I don't think you will get much of a response because I don't

think there are that many who do not experience stomach problems along with

vagal afib. My cardiologist did say that in some people, stomach problems

can cause afib.

in Seattle

[Guest guest]

> Eating has a really odd effect on the heart it put your heart under

a lot of pressure, hence one of the reasons you feel tired after a

big meal,( the other is the energy used by your intestine to digest

your food.

> If was this effort of the heart after a meal that was thought to

make you go into AF and not tummy problems.

Hi, ,

That may well be. But I think there is also some direct effect of

eating on the heart. I know when I am in a fragile state that even

drinking a swallow of water will make my heart jump, as will any sort

of burp or hiccup. I have always thought of these things as whacking

the vagus nerve, but who knows...

[Guest guest]

Hi to the group ,

Perhaps I was or have confused the group a little. I have post a may on my

points but I feel that the tummy problems are not causing the AF but are being

caused byt the meds we have to take, in my case it could have been the Wafarin.

C

> Perhaps most people are taking wafarin, and didn't answer, because you

> excluded them..

>

> How does short feel??

>

> walt in melt-down SC, had a rain, real gully-washer, right in the middle of

> my driveway.today, just muggy.

>

> Sorry I feel a bit short tonight, > >

> > > > > All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble that

> is

> > not

> > > taking Wafarin?

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Good Morning Everyone and Happy 4th!

To *Tummy* or to *No Tummy*.........now I'm confused <g>!

Ellen

69 NC

(NSR on Dofetilide)

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(snip) Perhaps I was or have confused the group a little. (snip)

******************

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Walt

I didn't ask anything in relation to warfarin. I only asked if there was

anyone who had AF with no tummy problems. I only expected answers from those

that did not, if there is anyone. IF there was no-one fair enough. But what

I got was another discussion about tummy problems and AF. I wrote and said

that the subject heading was NO tummy problems and AF. So I would prefer

that the heading to this one (as it is important and I have an article to

forward to C about his theory) to be changed to Tummy problems and AF

or something else to distinguish between the two.

Hope that clarifies. I hate feeling short, and don't want to upset anyone.

Short means that instance when you realise that everything you are looking

for is going nowhere, or back down the same track you were trying to get

away from. It means frustrated, a degree before boiling point when you feel

you might explode. A symptom of stress. I don't mean anyof this personally

against anyone. It is frustration with me, as either I am going the wrong

way about it, or my message is not getting across.

Fran in the overcast and midgy North-West Highlands.

Re: no tummy problems and AF

> Perhaps most people are taking wafarin, and didn't answer, because you

> excluded them..

>

> How does short feel??

>

> walt in melt-down SC, had a rain, real gully-washer, right in the middle

of

> my driveway.today, just muggy.

>

> Sorry I feel a bit short tonight, > >

> > > > > All I have a question, is there anybody that has tummy trouble

that

> is

> > not

> > > taking Wafarin?

> >

>

>

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Re: no tummy problems and AF

> Hi Fran,

>

> This is a difficult one to answer. A rich pasta dish got me to the

> hospital with a racing afibbing heart and difficulties breathing. I

> had tummy problems before and after taking my meds. So no connection

> there I guess. In addition I also had problems with breathing that I

> thought were related to my tummy. Gulping air, belching. When I

> discussed this with a nutritionist, she took me off dairy products,

> wheat products and much more. Now I am still afibbing, but no more

> tummy or breathing (unless I really exert myself) problems.

>

> /

>

>

I am really coming round to the feeling that the AF and the other problems I

have had are allergic reactions to foods or additives in my diet. I am sort

of stuck now. I have got my AF to be near enough non existent, but the

ectopics are still a pain. Also I can feel my breathing is getting less

laboured, but I am now developing lots of cramps and am still having

reactive hypoglycemia.

I just know that what I have is a problem with certain foods. I found out

about the additives. I need to find out about the rest and hopefully my

wholistic Dr who I have been refferred too (but will not be able to see me

until December) will help me out. Seemingly my reaction to taking

supplements is also known well in the allergy world. I will be so releived

and sort of angry if it turns out that my frightening health problems just

turned out to be an allergy all this time. I just wonder why more Dr's don't

check these things out in the beginning.

Fran.