Re: anyone using piracetam?

[Guest guest]

Ana: I have used piracetam (nootropil) and consider it a very safe

nutrient. I do not believe there is any contraindication for its use. I

have used it for children with dyslexia and ADHD with great success in some.

It has also been beneficial for some of my Downs children. Unless dyslexia

and ADD or ADHD is an issue, I would not believe it would benefit children

with autism, but as far as I know no studies have been done. It is known to

help children with learning disorders and particularly dyslexia. I have

some adults who use it for sports performance, particularly demanding ones

like golf, and those patients feel it helps their fine motor performance and

stamina. Jaquelyn

[ ] anyone using piracetam?

> Is anyone using piracetam? It is used for memory,

> attention ect. It is not approved in the US but one

> can order it online from Canada or Europe. Thanks

>

> Ana

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

nne,

I did a search and found a link to order it

http://208.234.10.47/mcart/index.cgi?ID=ZA5GAL & task=show & cat=J%2dP

try to cut and paste this.

I have no clue about dosage, etc. though. Carol

[Guest guest]

Hello Jaquelyn:

I've not heard of this " piracetam " before. Could you tell me what it is,

how you get it, how it is supposed to help a child with ADHD (my DS

Quinton age 10 has this). What do I need to know to use it? I'm

currently chelating Quinton. He's done almost 20 rounds using the

protocol that Andy believes to be most favorable. First 10 rounds were

DMSA only last 10 were DMSA/ALA (100/25 mg). Currently we are taking a

break because Quinton is having trouble focusing and getting his written

work done. He is also extremely hyper. Jumping, bumping, and grinding

on everything.

In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 07:45:48 -0800 " JMCCANDLESS "

<JMcCandless@...> writes:

Ana: I have used piracetam (nootropil) and consider it a very safe

nutrient. I do not believe there is any contraindication for its use.

I

have used it for children with dyslexia and ADHD with great success in

some.

It has also been beneficial for some of my Downs children. Unless

dyslexia

and ADD or ADHD is an issue, I would not believe it would benefit

children

with autism, but as far as I know no studies have been done. It is known

to

help children with learning disorders and particularly dyslexia. I have

some adults who use it for sports performance, particularly demanding

ones

like golf, and those patients feel it helps their fine motor performance

and

stamina. Jaquelyn

[ ] anyone using piracetam?

> Is anyone using piracetam? It is used for memory,

> attention ect. It is not approved in the US but one

> can order it online from Canada or Europe. Thanks

>

> Ana

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Jaquelyn,

My son, Jack is a 45lb, apraxic child w/ ADHD, would this be

something I should give a try, do I need a doctors prescription, what

dose. We have been chelating since February w/ great results but the

apraxia is a big problem regarding speech and the visual

overstimulation seems to be a problem with learning in a group. He

still is at single syllables w/ some initiation and some endings and

two syllable words like apple. The hyperactivity is pretty bad. I

cannot visit at anyone house because he runs all over the place, well

I do but I can not sit. My husband wants to put him on adderall but

I do not want to cause any more damage.

Thanks,

Oh and ANA can you tell me were to order it

nne

> Ana: I have used piracetam (nootropil) and consider it a very safe

> nutrient. I do not believe there is any contraindication for its

use. I

> have used it for children with dyslexia and ADHD with great success

in some.

> It has also been beneficial for some of my Downs children. Unless

dyslexia

> and ADD or ADHD is an issue, I would not believe it would benefit

children

> with autism, but as far as I know no studies have been done. It is

known to

> help children with learning disorders and particularly dyslexia. I

have

> some adults who use it for sports performance, particularly

demanding ones

> like golf, and those patients feel it helps their fine motor

performance and

> stamina. Jaquelyn

>

> [ ] anyone using piracetam?

>

>

> > Is anyone using piracetam? It is used for memory,

> > attention ect. It is not approved in the US but one

> > can order it online from Canada or Europe. Thanks

> >

> > Ana

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Piracetam (Nootropil): Theoretically from its description it may be very

helpful in your son's case, and since it is non-toxic it might be worth a

try. Your physician should definitely concur and supervise you at first and

give you a prescription to send the first time you order it from European

sources to prevent it being confiscated at the border (rare but happens, and

9/11 may intensify that). I used to have it compounded here which is legal

but never found it as effective as Glaxo's Nootropil. I ordered a large

supply of the liquid for children at 800mg per teaspoon, but so far have

only used it in ADHD, Down's, and dyslexia; many good European studies have

verified it's non-toxicity and its effectiveness in dyslexia. However, I'm

quite cautious with the ASD kids, and they're getting so much other stuff

that I'm hesitant to add another nutrient to the mix unless I would see a

plateau in their progress, and fortunately that's not happening too much.

My treatment sense is to let chelation do its job, and then if there are

still issues, to get into further treatments such as piracetam. I would

certainly consider its use prior to the stimulants, since it is so safe

(stimulants are an absolutely last resort for me).

It is important for anyone who wants to use piracetam to know that it

will not cross the blood-brain barrier without being accompanied each time

it's given with phosphatidyl-choline or some choline compound. Jaquelyn

[ ] anyone using piracetam?

> >

> >

> > > Is anyone using piracetam? It is used for memory,

> > > attention ect. It is not approved in the US but one

> > > can order it online from Canada or Europe. Thanks

> > >

> > > Ana

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jaquelyn,

> It is important for anyone who wants to use piracetam to know that it

> will not cross the blood-brain barrier without being accompanied each time

> it's given with phosphatidyl-choline or some choline compound. Jaquelyn

That's supposed to be good? or bad?

I am not sure but I think phosphatidylcholine is contained in Lecithin??

Also, could you please tell me what dose would be indicated?

Thank you.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Jaquelyn,

Thank you very much for the information.

It will be useful for sure.

I called my son's doctor yesterday and she agreed I could try

Piracetam, she will give me a prescription, but she didn't sound like

she knew much about it... The prescription will be only to buy it

cheaper... because as I understood you don't need prescription to

actually buy it. It's not really expensive here but I don't know yet

how much.

Thanks again for the info.

Valentina

> Since piracetam will not cross the blood brain barrier without being

> escorted with choline there would be no point in giving it without

it. I

> use a Lecithin Choline soft gel that contains 1200mg of lecithin

from soy

> (kids sensitive to soy will have to get it some other way) and 420mg

of

> phosphatidylcholine each time I administer piracetam to either

children or

> adults; it's a great brain nutrient all by itself, an important

constituent

> of cell membranes including the myelin sheath. The dose of

piracetam

> indicated would depend on the size of the child; adults usually take

2400 or

> even up to 3600mg per day for memory and anti-aging benefits. Since

it is

> non-toxic, some experimenting may be in order to see what best suits

your

> child. Please get your doctor's cooperation; I have yet to use this

for

> children with autism except several high-functioning older kids with

> dyslexia and ADD, for which it was very helpful for them to learn

> effectively in school. I cannot give more specific advice than

this.

> Jaquelyn

[Guest guest]

Jacquelin

Thanks for all your information on Piracetam. You

said you have patients on it are you a doctor? I plan

to start one of my boys on it. It sounds too good to

be true, I hope it works, He is not autistic but has

a language disorder and a bit of add. I was planning

to give it with choline. How much choline should I

do. He weighs 45 pounds and is 5 years old. Thanks.

Ana

--- JMcCandless <JMcCandless@...> wrote:

> Since piracetam will not cross the blood brain

> barrier without being

> escorted with choline there would be no point in

> giving it without it. I

> use a Lecithin Choline soft gel that contains 1200mg

> of lecithin from soy

> (kids sensitive to soy will have to get it some

> other way) and 420mg of

> phosphatidylcholine each time I administer piracetam

> to either children or

> adults; it's a great brain nutrient all by itself,

> an important constituent

> of cell membranes including the myelin sheath. The

> dose of piracetam

> indicated would depend on the size of the child;

> adults usually take 2400 or

> even up to 3600mg per day for memory and anti-aging

> benefits. Since it is

> non-toxic, some experimenting may be in order to see

> what best suits your

> child. Please get your doctor's cooperation; I have

> yet to use this for

> children with autism except several high-functioning

> older kids with

> dyslexia and ADD, for which it was very helpful for

> them to learn

> effectively in school. I cannot give more specific

> advice than this.

> Jaquelyn

> [ ] Re: anyone using

> piracetam?

>

>

> > Hi Jaquelyn,

> >

> >

> > > It is important for anyone who wants to use

> piracetam to know that

> it

> > > will not cross the blood-brain barrier without

> being accompanied each

> time

> > > it's given with phosphatidyl-choline or some

> choline compound. Jaquelyn

> >

> > That's supposed to be good? or bad?

> > I am not sure but I think phosphatidylcholine is

> contained in Lecithin??

> > Also, could you please tell me what dose would be

> indicated?

> > Thank you.

> >

> >

> > Valentina

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

=======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

I prefer the phosphatidylcholine form. VRP has this in softgels 385mg;

Physiologics has Lecithin Choline 420mg. I would start a child under 50# on

one of these each morning for about a week to see how he tolerates it, and

after one week add another at noon-time if he's around at that time. If no

problems, then start adding the Piracetam (500 to 800) again once a day with

the morning PC for one week, then add it with the noon dose. This combo is

sometimes stimulating, though older kids usually have the combo before

school and then when they get home to do homework. Every child is different

and you kind of have to play it by ear. Definitely check out the choline

compound to see its toleration prior to starting the piracetam. If a child

has allergies to soy, lecithin choline cannot be used. Sometimes DMAE may

work if that is the case. Jaquelyn

[ ] Re: anyone using

> > piracetam?

> >

> >

> > > Hi Jaquelyn,

> > >

> > >

> > > > It is important for anyone who wants to use

> > piracetam to know that

> > it

> > > > will not cross the blood-brain barrier without

> > being accompanied each

> > time

> > > > it's given with phosphatidyl-choline or some

> > choline compound. Jaquelyn

> > >

> > > That's supposed to be good? or bad?

> > > I am not sure but I think phosphatidylcholine is

> > contained in Lecithin??

> > > Also, could you please tell me what dose would be

> > indicated?

> > > Thank you.

> > >

> > >

> > > Valentina

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> =======================================================

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jacquelyn,

My son Jack is presently using DMAE 2xs a day and tolerates it well.

Would I just add the piracetam to the present DMAE dose. He gets

about 40mg of DMAE at a time.

THanks,

nne

> > > Since piracetam will not cross the blood brain

> > > barrier without being

> > > escorted with choline there would be no point in

> > > giving it without it. I

> > > use a Lecithin Choline soft gel that contains 1200mg

> > > of lecithin from soy

> > > (kids sensitive to soy will have to get it some

> > > other way) and 420mg of

> > > phosphatidylcholine each time I administer piracetam

> > > to either children or

> > > adults; it's a great brain nutrient all by itself,

> > > an important constituent

> > > of cell membranes including the myelin sheath. The

> > > dose of piracetam

> > > indicated would depend on the size of the child;

> > > adults usually take 2400 or

> > > even up to 3600mg per day for memory and anti-aging

> > > benefits. Since it is

> > > non-toxic, some experimenting may be in order to see

> > > what best suits your

> > > child. Please get your doctor's cooperation; I have

> > > yet to use this for

> > > children with autism except several high-functioning

> > > older kids with

> > > dyslexia and ADD, for which it was very helpful for

> > > them to learn

> > > effectively in school. I cannot give more specific

> > > advice than this.

> > > Jaquelyn

> > > [ ] Re: anyone using

> > > piracetam?

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi Jaquelyn,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > It is important for anyone who wants to use

> > > piracetam to know that

> > > it

> > > > > will not cross the blood-brain barrier without

> > > being accompanied each

> > > time

> > > > > it's given with phosphatidyl-choline or some

> > > choline compound. Jaquelyn

> > > >

> > > > That's supposed to be good? or bad?

> > > > I am not sure but I think phosphatidylcholine is

> > > contained in Lecithin??

> > > > Also, could you please tell me what dose would be

> > > indicated?

> > > > Thank you.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Valentina

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > =======================================================

> > > >

[Guest guest]

As far as I know that would be fine. I have not read any studies indicating

how much choline or DMAE is necessary, and if I find out I will let you

know. Jaquelyn

[ ] Re: anyone using

> > > > piracetam?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Hi Jaquelyn,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > It is important for anyone who wants to use

> > > > piracetam to know that

> > > > it

> > > > > > will not cross the blood-brain barrier without

> > > > being accompanied each

> > > > time

> > > > > > it's given with phosphatidyl-choline or some

> > > > choline compound. Jaquelyn

> > > > >

> > > > > That's supposed to be good? or bad?

> > > > > I am not sure but I think phosphatidylcholine is

> > > > contained in Lecithin??

> > > > > Also, could you please tell me what dose would be

> > > > indicated?

> > > > > Thank you.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Valentina

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > =======================================================

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello Jaquelyn:

Can you tell me what priacetam is used for. My son is ADHD. I am

currently chelating him. He is not autistic. Would this piractam be

beneficial to him?

In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:40:11 -0800 " JMcCandless "

<JMcCandless@...> writes:

I prefer the phosphatidylcholine form. VRP has this in softgels 385mg;

Physiologics has Lecithin Choline 420mg. I would start a child under 50#

on

one of these each morning for about a week to see how he tolerates it,

and

after one week add another at noon-time if he's around at that time. If

no

problems, then start adding the Piracetam (500 to 800) again once a day

with

the morning PC for one week, then add it with the noon dose. This combo

is

sometimes stimulating, though older kids usually have the combo before

school and then when they get home to do homework. Every child is

different

and you kind of have to play it by ear. Definitely check out the choline

compound to see its toleration prior to starting the piracetam. If a

child

has allergies to soy, lecithin choline cannot be used. Sometimes DMAE

may

work if that is the case. Jaquelyn

[ ] Re: anyone using

> > piracetam?

> >

> >

> > > Hi Jaquelyn,

> > >

> > >

> > > > It is important for anyone who wants to use

> > piracetam to know that

> > it

> > > > will not cross the blood-brain barrier without

> > being accompanied each

> > time

> > > > it's given with phosphatidyl-choline or some

> > choline compound. Jaquelyn

> > >

> > > That's supposed to be good? or bad?

> > > I am not sure but I think phosphatidylcholine is

> > contained in Lecithin??

> > > Also, could you please tell me what dose would be

> > indicated?

> > > Thank you.

> > >

> > >

> > > Valentina

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> =======================================================

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jen: I have forwarded South's article on piracetam to the group.

This nutrient is not noted for its effect on ADHD kids, but I don't know if

any studies have been done. It has shown benefit for kids with dyslexia and

other learning disorders, and has definitely helped some of my older kids

with learning problems study better, so it may be worth a try since it's

not-toxic and inexpensive. Apparently it helps nullify toxins in the brain

and helps the energy levels, so theoretically it should be helpful. I would

appreciate hearing anyone's experience with it with their children if they

try it. Jaquelyn

[ ] Re: anyone using

> > > piracetam?

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi Jaquelyn,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > It is important for anyone who wants to use

> > > piracetam to know that

> > > it

> > > > > will not cross the blood-brain barrier without

> > > being accompanied each

> > > time

> > > > > it's given with phosphatidyl-choline or some

> > > choline compound. Jaquelyn

> > > >

> > > > That's supposed to be good? or bad?

> > > > I am not sure but I think phosphatidylcholine is

> > > contained in Lecithin??

> > > > Also, could you please tell me what dose would be

> > > indicated?

> > > > Thank you.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Valentina

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > =======================================================

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Jaquelyn

Thanks for the paper and your comments. I think I will continue with the

chelation for a bit longer before I try anything else new. I've seen

some subtle changes in Quinton but nothing that has stayed. Right now he

is really struggling with staying focused at school and getting his

homework done. He needs to be extremely motivated during these times.

I'm hoping that besides getting the metal out of his brain that I'll see

some permanent improvements in the areas of staying on track and

completing his written work.

In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:02:34 -0800 " JMcCandless "

<JMcCandless@...> writes:

Jen: I have forwarded South's article on piracetam to the group.

This nutrient is not noted for its effect on ADHD kids, but I don't know

if

any studies have been done. It has shown benefit for kids with dyslexia

and

other learning disorders, and has definitely helped some of my older kids

with learning problems study better, so it may be worth a try since it's

not-toxic and inexpensive. Apparently it helps nullify toxins in the

brain

and helps the energy levels, so theoretically it should be helpful. I

would

appreciate hearing anyone's experience with it with their children if

they

try it. Jaquelyn

[ ] Re: anyone using

> > > piracetam?

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi Jaquelyn,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > It is important for anyone who wants to use

> > > piracetam to know that

> > > it

> > > > > will not cross the blood-brain barrier without

> > > being accompanied each

> > > time

> > > > > it's given with phosphatidyl-choline or some

> > > choline compound. Jaquelyn

> > > >

> > > > That's supposed to be good? or bad?

> > > > I am not sure but I think phosphatidylcholine is

> > > contained in Lecithin??

> > > > Also, could you please tell me what dose would be

> > > indicated?

> > > > Thank you.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Valentina

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > =======================================================

> > > >