Re: i need help

[Guest guest]

On 10/10/02 3:14 AM, " weightlossbuddies2 "

<weightlossbuddies2 > wrote:

> i lost the 30

> pounds. i really dont want to have surgery to get the hangy stuff

> cut. i am in my mid 20s and i workout 5 days a week. 3 days i do

> cardio and 2 days i use weights. do you think it is possible that my

> skin will shrink and it wont be saggy?

I don't think any of us know for sure. Some people here say their skin

shrank; some say it didn't.

I would suspect the younger you are, the more likely your skin will shrink.

Mid 20's is young!

right now where i lift weights

> the top part of my bicep isnt saggy but the tricep part is and also

> the inner thigh. if i lose more weight will that really fix the

> problem? thanks for listening.

Yes. Losing weight will fix this problem a lot.

Lucia

--

lucia@...

Lisle, Illinois

[Guest guest]

I hate to break the news to you, but MOST people don't think the way

you do. MOST people in the US are overweight. THAT is a fact. Some

people are larger than others, true, but did you know that the average

size of women is a 14-16?

People are overweight for many reasons. Some because they are lazy,

some because they have no willpower, some because they have a really

slow metabolism, some due to medical conditions, etc. If you want

more specific examples, I can surely give them to you.

How do you help your friend? Well, get rid of the prejudice would be

the first step. I can imagine that she is not very happy with herself

either. She doesn't need you judging her too. Secondly, she will

want to change herself. Without it, you can't do a thing except

accept the fact she is fat, or stop being her friend. If she wants to

change, ask her what you can do to help. But you have to want to help

her because you care about her, not because you are repulsed by her.

> I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my

problem

> is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever

be

> (god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to sound

> stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend

that

> has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger

and

> Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in activities

> we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am

truly

> disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

> opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

> good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I know

I

> rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in losing

> it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

> that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

> that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from my

> personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me

to

> see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

> hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

> message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably

most

> people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of

this

> society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't make

> it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

> understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

I don't want to sound meen or rude - but I was as close to a 'perfect

10' (as you put it) as could get when I was young too. Ya know

what? I loved everyone - fat or thin, ugly or pretty EXCEPT for

people with prejudice, people with attitudes.

Looks aren't everything. Even to the 'visual' male...go to

some 'men' kind of boards and ask...they'll take an average looking

girl with a smile and friendly attitude over a " perfect 10 " that

is 'not so nice' any day.

Pretty is as pretty does.

And one day - you will get older, and probably heavier. I hate to

think of the low self esteem issues you'll have at that point

considering the outlook you have now.

[Guest guest]

boriquanegra - I guess I found your letter more than a bit more offensive.

I agree with and others who have said that yours is not most people's

outlook - thankfully - or what will us " overweight, un-insightful, cringe

to look at people do? " Lepers of the modern society that you describe.

Oh well, how unfortunate for you that delight, joy, acceptance, love, sex

appeal, laughter and true friendship doesn't automatically appear with your

perfect size 10... and no, this is not a case of sour grapes cause I've

never had a perfect size 10 body (ok, so maybe I did have it all at birth),

but rather a new sense of thankfulness that I am who I am... perfect loved

by a husband that adore me, children who delight in having me as their Mom,

and total acceptance from my friends (who live in the same society as you

btw).

Condolences to your " friend " .

Btw, I really didn't mean to offend, upset or judge.... it kinda just came

with the territory... in an off-beat kinda way.... God willing.

Christel

I'm not what I ought to be. I'm not what I want to be. I'm not what I hoped

to be. But, thank God, I'm not what I use to be. ~ Newton

http://www.geocities.com/furzl123/index.html

Re: I need Help

I hate to break the news to you, but MOST people don't think the way

you do. MOST people in the US are overweight. THAT is a fact. Some

people are larger than others, true, but did you know that the average

size of women is a 14-16?

People are overweight for many reasons. Some because they are lazy,

some because they have no willpower, some because they have a really

slow metabolism, some due to medical conditions, etc. If you want

more specific examples, I can surely give them to you.

How do you help your friend? Well, get rid of the prejudice would be

the first step. I can imagine that she is not very happy with herself

either. She doesn't need you judging her too. Secondly, she will

want to change herself. Without it, you can't do a thing except

accept the fact she is fat, or stop being her friend. If she wants to

change, ask her what you can do to help. But you have to want to help

her because you care about her, not because you are repulsed by her.

> I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my

problem

> is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever

be

> (god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to sound

> stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend

that

> has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger

and

> Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in activities

> we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am

truly

> disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

> opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

> good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I know

I

> rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in losing

> it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

> that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

> that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from my

> personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me

to

> see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

> hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

> message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably

most

> people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of

this

> society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't make

> it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

> understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

boriquanegra - I guess I found your letter more than a bit more offensive.

I agree with and others who have said that yours is not most people's

outlook - thankfully - or what will us " overweight, un-insightful, cringe

to look at people do? " Lepers of the modern society that you describe.

Oh well, how unfortunate for you that delight, joy, acceptance, love, sex

appeal, laughter and true friendship doesn't automatically appear with your

perfect size 10... and no, this is not a case of sour grapes cause I've

never had a perfect size 10 body (ok, so maybe I did have it all at birth),

but rather a new sense of thankfulness that I am who I am... perfect loved

by a husband that adore me, children who delight in having me as their Mom,

and total acceptance from my friends (who live in the same society as you

btw).

Condolences to your " friend " .

Btw, I really didn't mean to offend, upset or judge.... it kinda just came

with the territory... in an off-beat kinda way.... God willing.

Christel

I'm not what I ought to be. I'm not what I want to be. I'm not what I hoped

to be. But, thank God, I'm not what I use to be. ~ Newton

http://www.geocities.com/furzl123/index.html

Re: I need Help

I hate to break the news to you, but MOST people don't think the way

you do. MOST people in the US are overweight. THAT is a fact. Some

people are larger than others, true, but did you know that the average

size of women is a 14-16?

People are overweight for many reasons. Some because they are lazy,

some because they have no willpower, some because they have a really

slow metabolism, some due to medical conditions, etc. If you want

more specific examples, I can surely give them to you.

How do you help your friend? Well, get rid of the prejudice would be

the first step. I can imagine that she is not very happy with herself

either. She doesn't need you judging her too. Secondly, she will

want to change herself. Without it, you can't do a thing except

accept the fact she is fat, or stop being her friend. If she wants to

change, ask her what you can do to help. But you have to want to help

her because you care about her, not because you are repulsed by her.

> I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my

problem

> is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever

be

> (god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to sound

> stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend

that

> has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger

and

> Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in activities

> we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am

truly

> disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

> opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

> good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I know

I

> rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in losing

> it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

> that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

> that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from my

> personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me

to

> see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

> hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

> message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably

most

> people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of

this

> society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't make

> it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

> understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

Let me guess, you are young? And I think that that statement that tupac said, is

a cop out. Didn't he get killed? Even if you are born in a world of some " fat

prejudice people " that doesn't mean you have to be one. You are only responsible

for you and you can be a person who is empathetic and compassionate. This is my

take on this subject and only mine, so people please don't get offended. I

believe that the majority of overweight people are overweight because of

self-esteem issues and something is bothering them inside. Just like someone who

drinks too much or takes drugs. Food is a drug that takes away the pain, when

you are in the midst of eating it. Or stress, worry, anxiety and even boredom.

If you love your friend and are not superficial then you can have the notion to

stick with her and try to help her. The fact that you came here to find some

answers says that you care, unless of course, that is not the case. If you

really want to help your friend then just love her unconditionally and support

her and be there for her if and when she wants to talk. Just accept her the way

she is and see the beauty that is inside her, not the outside. That is just a

shell. She may feel that she is not fat and you may think that she is fat when

in fact she may not be " fat " . It is a matter of perception. You might think

Pamela is perfect but to someone else she may be too skinny. So your

friend may actually be normal and happy.

Tina

I need Help

I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my problem

is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever be

(god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to sound

stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend that

has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger and

Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in activities

we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am truly

disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I know I

rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in losing

it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from my

personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me to

see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably most

people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of this

society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't make

it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

Let me guess, you are young? And I think that that statement that tupac said, is

a cop out. Didn't he get killed? Even if you are born in a world of some " fat

prejudice people " that doesn't mean you have to be one. You are only responsible

for you and you can be a person who is empathetic and compassionate. This is my

take on this subject and only mine, so people please don't get offended. I

believe that the majority of overweight people are overweight because of

self-esteem issues and something is bothering them inside. Just like someone who

drinks too much or takes drugs. Food is a drug that takes away the pain, when

you are in the midst of eating it. Or stress, worry, anxiety and even boredom.

If you love your friend and are not superficial then you can have the notion to

stick with her and try to help her. The fact that you came here to find some

answers says that you care, unless of course, that is not the case. If you

really want to help your friend then just love her unconditionally and support

her and be there for her if and when she wants to talk. Just accept her the way

she is and see the beauty that is inside her, not the outside. That is just a

shell. She may feel that she is not fat and you may think that she is fat when

in fact she may not be " fat " . It is a matter of perception. You might think

Pamela is perfect but to someone else she may be too skinny. So your

friend may actually be normal and happy.

Tina

I need Help

I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my problem

is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever be

(god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to sound

stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend that

has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger and

Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in activities

we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am truly

disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I know I

rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in losing

it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from my

personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me to

see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably most

people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of this

society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't make

it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

<< I need Help >>

You certainly do...but I don't know if it's the kind we can provide here. I

think you should seek professional help and find out why you feel the way you

do.

If your friend wants to lose weight, pass the group addy along.

Desy

http://www.clix.to/desyp

http://www.geocities.com/thepuppourri

[Guest guest]

<< I need Help >>

You certainly do...but I don't know if it's the kind we can provide here. I

think you should seek professional help and find out why you feel the way you

do.

If your friend wants to lose weight, pass the group addy along.

Desy

http://www.clix.to/desyp

http://www.geocities.com/thepuppourri

[Guest guest]

<< I need Help >>

You certainly do...but I don't know if it's the kind we can provide here. I

think you should seek professional help and find out why you feel the way you

do.

If your friend wants to lose weight, pass the group addy along.

Desy

http://www.clix.to/desyp

http://www.geocities.com/thepuppourri

[Guest guest]

---

hi. i was just wondering what size is your friend now. and what size

do you think of as fat. maybe she is just average i am not sure.

In weightlossbuddies2@y..., boriquanegra <no_reply@y...> wrote:

> I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my

problem

> is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever

be

> (god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to

sound

> stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend

that

> has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger

and

> Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in

activities

> we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am

truly

> disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

> opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

> good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I know

I

> rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in

losing

> it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

> that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

> that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from my

> personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me

to

> see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

> hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

> message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably

most

> people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of

this

> society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't

make

> it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

> understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

---

hi. i was just wondering what size is your friend now. and what size

do you think of as fat. maybe she is just average i am not sure.

In weightlossbuddies2@y..., boriquanegra <no_reply@y...> wrote:

> I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my

problem

> is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever

be

> (god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to

sound

> stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend

that

> has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger

and

> Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in

activities

> we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am

truly

> disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

> opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

> good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I know

I

> rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in

losing

> it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

> that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

> that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from my

> personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me

to

> see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

> hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

> message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably

most

> people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of

this

> society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't

make

> it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

> understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

i feel very offended as well. i may not be too overweight, but i am

and i think that people with any type of predjiduce need to work this

out. everyone is human and has feelings. i think that yes you may

be the size many of us strive for but that makes you in no way

perfect. especially the way that you bring that up in a club that

you know has overweight people. it is not motivational if that's

what you thought you were striving for. as for your friend you don't

sound like a real friend to me. if you want her to change just

because she disgusts you then that's no reason, she should change for

her health or her feelings not you. and like others have said maybe

she's not overweight. the average american woman is a 12-16. if

she's that she's not overweight, she's average. if you are a size 10

then that's not much bigger than you and it wouldn't take much for

you to get there. if you ate wrongly and were not active it could

take as little as a month if that. i am sorry you feel this way but

like someone else suggested you need to get professional help in this

way. my cousin is beautiful at her size 10 and she too thinks she's

perfect and that's the reason i don't go with ehr anywhere i can't

stand that stuck up attitude, the whispers about other people, or her

hurtful comments to other people. she has never said anything to me

but i know by the way she looks at me, that's also why i am no longer

with a friend of mine, no matter how well i was doing in my weight

loss she always had those looks and that funny attitude about me. i

hated it and i don't want to go back to that. what types of

activities did you enjoy that she can no longer do, or perhaps she no

longer wants to do them. also like someone else has already

suggested take her shopping or join a gym together. if my friend ahd

done that i didn't feel like she was purposely being hurtful then we

would still be friends, but instead i had to hear her talking behind

my back, and i did hear her not through someone else, i was walking

up to talk to her and she was talking to someone else about me.

> I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my

problem

> is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever

be

> (god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to

sound

> stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend

that

> has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger

and

> Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in

activities

> we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am

truly

> disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

> opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

> good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I know

I

> rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in

losing

> it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

> that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

> that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from my

> personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me

to

> see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

> hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

> message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably

most

> people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of

this

> society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't

make

> it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

> understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

i feel very offended as well. i may not be too overweight, but i am

and i think that people with any type of predjiduce need to work this

out. everyone is human and has feelings. i think that yes you may

be the size many of us strive for but that makes you in no way

perfect. especially the way that you bring that up in a club that

you know has overweight people. it is not motivational if that's

what you thought you were striving for. as for your friend you don't

sound like a real friend to me. if you want her to change just

because she disgusts you then that's no reason, she should change for

her health or her feelings not you. and like others have said maybe

she's not overweight. the average american woman is a 12-16. if

she's that she's not overweight, she's average. if you are a size 10

then that's not much bigger than you and it wouldn't take much for

you to get there. if you ate wrongly and were not active it could

take as little as a month if that. i am sorry you feel this way but

like someone else suggested you need to get professional help in this

way. my cousin is beautiful at her size 10 and she too thinks she's

perfect and that's the reason i don't go with ehr anywhere i can't

stand that stuck up attitude, the whispers about other people, or her

hurtful comments to other people. she has never said anything to me

but i know by the way she looks at me, that's also why i am no longer

with a friend of mine, no matter how well i was doing in my weight

loss she always had those looks and that funny attitude about me. i

hated it and i don't want to go back to that. what types of

activities did you enjoy that she can no longer do, or perhaps she no

longer wants to do them. also like someone else has already

suggested take her shopping or join a gym together. if my friend ahd

done that i didn't feel like she was purposely being hurtful then we

would still be friends, but instead i had to hear her talking behind

my back, and i did hear her not through someone else, i was walking

up to talk to her and she was talking to someone else about me.

> I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my

problem

> is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever

be

> (god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to

sound

> stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend

that

> has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger

and

> Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in

activities

> we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am

truly

> disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

> opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

> good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I know

I

> rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in

losing

> it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

> that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

> that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from my

> personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me

to

> see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

> hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

> message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably

most

> people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of

this

> society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't

make

> it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

> understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

i feel very offended as well. i may not be too overweight, but i am

and i think that people with any type of predjiduce need to work this

out. everyone is human and has feelings. i think that yes you may

be the size many of us strive for but that makes you in no way

perfect. especially the way that you bring that up in a club that

you know has overweight people. it is not motivational if that's

what you thought you were striving for. as for your friend you don't

sound like a real friend to me. if you want her to change just

because she disgusts you then that's no reason, she should change for

her health or her feelings not you. and like others have said maybe

she's not overweight. the average american woman is a 12-16. if

she's that she's not overweight, she's average. if you are a size 10

then that's not much bigger than you and it wouldn't take much for

you to get there. if you ate wrongly and were not active it could

take as little as a month if that. i am sorry you feel this way but

like someone else suggested you need to get professional help in this

way. my cousin is beautiful at her size 10 and she too thinks she's

perfect and that's the reason i don't go with ehr anywhere i can't

stand that stuck up attitude, the whispers about other people, or her

hurtful comments to other people. she has never said anything to me

but i know by the way she looks at me, that's also why i am no longer

with a friend of mine, no matter how well i was doing in my weight

loss she always had those looks and that funny attitude about me. i

hated it and i don't want to go back to that. what types of

activities did you enjoy that she can no longer do, or perhaps she no

longer wants to do them. also like someone else has already

suggested take her shopping or join a gym together. if my friend ahd

done that i didn't feel like she was purposely being hurtful then we

would still be friends, but instead i had to hear her talking behind

my back, and i did hear her not through someone else, i was walking

up to talk to her and she was talking to someone else about me.

> I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my

problem

> is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever

be

> (god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to

sound

> stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend

that

> has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger

and

> Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in

activities

> we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am

truly

> disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

> opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

> good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I know

I

> rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in

losing

> it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

> that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

> that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from my

> personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me

to

> see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

> hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

> message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably

most

> people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of

this

> society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't

make

> it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

> understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

Iam sorry but I dont think a size 14-16 is average, I would say more like a

10-12 is average ......its ok to be overweight, noone can change that, but its

not ok to whine about , and then never do anything about it.......i was a size

6-8 until a few years ago and i started eating and eating and eating and i

gained the weight and yes i was more beautiful at size 6-8 than i am now....that

is just a fact of life, and yes i am selfish i am loosing weight to look

better....not only for my health........

stacy

[Guest guest]

Iam sorry but I dont think a size 14-16 is average, I would say more like a

10-12 is average ......its ok to be overweight, noone can change that, but its

not ok to whine about , and then never do anything about it.......i was a size

6-8 until a few years ago and i started eating and eating and eating and i

gained the weight and yes i was more beautiful at size 6-8 than i am now....that

is just a fact of life, and yes i am selfish i am loosing weight to look

better....not only for my health........

stacy

[Guest guest]

Iam sorry but I dont think a size 14-16 is average, I would say more like a

10-12 is average ......its ok to be overweight, noone can change that, but its

not ok to whine about , and then never do anything about it.......i was a size

6-8 until a few years ago and i started eating and eating and eating and i

gained the weight and yes i was more beautiful at size 6-8 than i am now....that

is just a fact of life, and yes i am selfish i am loosing weight to look

better....not only for my health........

stacy

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

At least you are honest. I too feel I am losing it to look better

also. I also know it is so much better for you health wise too so it

has many side benefits. I do think everyone wants to look better.

I am starting to see some progress. This morning.. I started

thinking.. oh no... what if you ever go backward again. It can be so

easy. It just amazes me how some of us have to try so hard and

others it is just natural for them. You know what I mean?

Dianne

> Iam sorry but I dont think a size 14-16 is average, I would say

more like a 10-12 is average ......its ok to be overweight, noone can

change that, but its not ok to whine about , and then never do

anything about it.......i was a size 6-8 until a few years ago and i

started eating and eating and eating and i gained the weight and yes

i was more beautiful at size 6-8 than i am now....that is just a fact

of life, and yes i am selfish i am loosing weight to look

better....not only for my health........

>

> stacy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I think I can understand where you are coming from, but yes, like

someone else said, you must be young.

Well, I have always been alittle slightly overweight as an adult..

about 10 lbs. or so in my 20's so I was pretty close but I have

always struggled to lose pounds. Of course where I am in life now, I

am more overweight than 10 lbs.

The only thing you can do for your friend is encourage her. Everyone

has different metabolisms and some people have to struggle in life

with weight where others do not. Just the way it is I guess.

I guess it can be an issue for some, but to have such negative

thoughts as you do does not sound right. You cannot judge someone

solely from how they look on the outside. What about a bad feature

like being real short or having a big nose, etc? You do have to

accept people for what they are. Pretty packages do not always mean

there is something nice inside.

Dianne

> I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my

problem

> is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever

be

> (god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to

sound

> stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend

that

> has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger

and

> Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in

activities

> we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am

truly

> disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

> opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

> good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I know

I

> rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in

losing

> it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

> that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

> that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from my

> personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me

to

> see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

> hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

> message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably

most

> people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of

this

> society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't

make

> it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

> understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

on an oprah show and in some fitness magazines i subscribe to the

average woman is a size 12-16 i didn't mean 14 but the average

american woman is a size 12-16. in certain areas there are some

where it is more for that area as an avearage and some where a size

10 or in some areas a size 6 but the average all american woman is a

12-16 .i don't really whine about it that's my inward feelings about

how i feel when i see this, i needed to vent as everyone does once in

a while, i have been working hard since september seriously trying to

change myself not once whining, or bringing down anyone around me, or

complaining about my weight, i'm the only one who can control it and

the only one who can do anythingabout it, i know that, and i know

that some obese people is because they don't take care of themselves,

some are medical problems. for me i had only gained weight because

of miscarriages because of medicine i was put on afterwards, and then

going on depo, i know this is not an excuse but this is when i gained

it. i am working my butt off and it is easy to get offended but

doesn't mean i was trying to diss anyone. it is okay to lose weight

for selfish reasons but if she does not want to do it for that then

she should lose it for health reasons. i do a lot to change my

weight. i walk 30-45 min 5-6 days a week, do 200 crunches, 20

pushups and 2 sets of weights everyday. so i am not just sitting not

doing anything. i have changed what i eat dramatically. i used to

eat out at least once a day, now i eat three healthy small meals,

have cut out the candy and pretty much the soda. i limit myself to

one a week if i crave it. i drink plenty of water a day and keep

myself motivated.

> Iam sorry but I dont think a size 14-16 is average, I would say

more like a 10-12 is average ......its ok to be overweight, noone can

change that, but its not ok to whine about , and then never do

anything about it.......i was a size 6-8 until a few years ago and i

started eating and eating and eating and i gained the weight and yes

i was more beautiful at size 6-8 than i am now....that is just a fact

of life, and yes i am selfish i am loosing weight to look

better....not only for my health........

>

> stacy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

on an oprah show and in some fitness magazines i subscribe to the

average woman is a size 12-16 i didn't mean 14 but the average

american woman is a size 12-16. in certain areas there are some

where it is more for that area as an avearage and some where a size

10 or in some areas a size 6 but the average all american woman is a

12-16 .i don't really whine about it that's my inward feelings about

how i feel when i see this, i needed to vent as everyone does once in

a while, i have been working hard since september seriously trying to

change myself not once whining, or bringing down anyone around me, or

complaining about my weight, i'm the only one who can control it and

the only one who can do anythingabout it, i know that, and i know

that some obese people is because they don't take care of themselves,

some are medical problems. for me i had only gained weight because

of miscarriages because of medicine i was put on afterwards, and then

going on depo, i know this is not an excuse but this is when i gained

it. i am working my butt off and it is easy to get offended but

doesn't mean i was trying to diss anyone. it is okay to lose weight

for selfish reasons but if she does not want to do it for that then

she should lose it for health reasons. i do a lot to change my

weight. i walk 30-45 min 5-6 days a week, do 200 crunches, 20

pushups and 2 sets of weights everyday. so i am not just sitting not

doing anything. i have changed what i eat dramatically. i used to

eat out at least once a day, now i eat three healthy small meals,

have cut out the candy and pretty much the soda. i limit myself to

one a week if i crave it. i drink plenty of water a day and keep

myself motivated.

> Iam sorry but I dont think a size 14-16 is average, I would say

more like a 10-12 is average ......its ok to be overweight, noone can

change that, but its not ok to whine about , and then never do

anything about it.......i was a size 6-8 until a few years ago and i

started eating and eating and eating and i gained the weight and yes

i was more beautiful at size 6-8 than i am now....that is just a fact

of life, and yes i am selfish i am loosing weight to look

better....not only for my health........

>

> stacy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dianne,

I like the phrase " ugly on the inside, ugly on the outside " .

> > I know this group is for those who need to lose weight but my

> problem

> > is not that. I have actually never been overweight nor will i ever

> be

> > (god willing) I am what people would call a perfect 10, not to

> sound

> > stuck up that is just a fact. My problem is that I have a friend

> that

> > has always been bigger than me but she recently has gotten bigger

> and

> > Her appearance as well as her inability to participate in

> activities

> > we used to enjoy really bother me. When I look at her body I am

> truly

> > disgusted as I am with most really overweight people. She asks my

> > opinion about what she looks good in and honestly she doesn't look

> > good in anything (to me) She really needs to lose weight but I

know

> I

> > rally need a way of being a good friend and supporting her in

> losing

> > it.. i also would like to talk to some other overweight people so

> > that I can hopefully get over my prejudices. I don't like the fact

> > that I cringe at the sight of and exclude overweight people from

my

> > personal life. I don't feel like I'm better, it's just hard for me

> to

> > see an overweight person's problems with losing as an issue of

> > hardship rather than an absence of will power. I know that this

> > message may be slightly offensive but this is how lots, probably

> most

> > people think.I know My thoughts on this subject are a product of

> this

> > society obsession with beauty, " I was given this world, I din't

> make

> > it " as Tupac once said. I would just like to gain a better

> > understanding if at all possible. I'll be talking to ya hopefully.

[Guest guest]

There is nothing wrong with wanting to look better. I want to be healthier,

yes, but I would like to look nice for my hubby. He is wonderful about it

and I almost think he don't want me to loose weight but he is very

supportive when I need him to be. So I think there is nothing wrong with

wanting to feel better about how you look...cuz feeling good is healthy,

right?

Jacy

-- Re: Re: I need Help

Iam sorry but I dont think a size 14-16 is average, I would say more like a

10-12 is average ......its ok to be overweight, noone can change that, but

its not ok to whine about , and then never do anything about it.......i was

a size 6-8 until a few years ago and i started eating and eating and eating

and i gained the weight and yes i was more beautiful at size 6-8 than i am

now....that is just a fact of life, and yes i am selfish i am loosing weight

to look better....not only for my health........

stacy

[Guest guest]

Cortisol-Morning 12.1H nglml 3.7-9.5

Cortisol Noon 1.9 nglml 1.2-3.0

Cortisol Evening 1.0 nglml .6-1.9

Cortisol Night .7 nglml .4-1.0

You do nto have very high cortisol. Your cortisl burden is 15.7 Range 5.9 to

15.4. this si BARELY over fo rthe day. Some heearbasl to support your adnreals

may be all you need. Ashwaganda an rhodiola (AM) and maybe 100mg Phosphatidyl

serine an hour befroe bed woudl be my suggestion for thesse labs, and get

ferritin tested!

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