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----- Original Message -----

> I am so FED UP with this diet.

> ............

> I just don't want to do it anymore. I want everything to just be OK all

by

> itself.

> I know I sound like a big baby. That's what I feel like right now.

Please

> please tell me I'm not the only one that feels like this sometimes.

Jen,

This was passed on from another list today and when I read your post I

thought it might help, not in a practical way, but just to know that someone

identifies with your struggle. Hannah is 100% tube fed which makes my

struggle to feed so much less than yours, but there are days when I am so

sick of the impact that the diet has on our life that I consider dropping

it. They are the days when she is too ketotic and vomiting, the days when

she is unwell and I am limited in the regular meds that I can use to relieve

her symptoms, the routine of having to split all her meals into three

portions and the time that takes and the impact it has on our family time

and routine. All these things and more make me want to give up at times, and

I am so aware that others such as yourself have it much much harder than I

do in some ways. Quite frankly I take my hat off to you for sticking at it

so long.

Sending love and hugs to you, and to all of those who are struggling

with any of this keto life.

(Hannah's mum, Australia)

-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-

STRENGTH

We don't always have to be strong to be strong.

Sometimes our strength is expressed in being vulnerable.

Sometimes we need to fall apart to regroup and stay on track.

We all have days when we cannot push any harder, cannot hold back

self-doubt, cannot stop focusing on fear, cannot be strong.

There are days when we cannot focus on being responsible.

Occasionally, we don't want to get out of our pajamas.

Sometimes we cry in front of people.

We expose our tiredness, irritability, or anger.

Those days are okay.

They are just okay.

Part of taking care of ourselves means we give ourselves permission to " fall

apart " when we need to.

We do not need to be perpetual towers of strength.

We ARE strong.

We have proven that.

Our strength will continue if we allow ourselves the courage to feel scared,

weak, and vulnerable when we need to experience those feelings.

Today, help me to know that is it okay to allow myself to be human.

Help me not to feel guilty or punish myself when I need to " fall apart. "

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----- Original Message -----

> I am so FED UP with this diet.

> ............

> I just don't want to do it anymore. I want everything to just be OK all

by

> itself.

> I know I sound like a big baby. That's what I feel like right now.

Please

> please tell me I'm not the only one that feels like this sometimes.

Jen,

This was passed on from another list today and when I read your post I

thought it might help, not in a practical way, but just to know that someone

identifies with your struggle. Hannah is 100% tube fed which makes my

struggle to feed so much less than yours, but there are days when I am so

sick of the impact that the diet has on our life that I consider dropping

it. They are the days when she is too ketotic and vomiting, the days when

she is unwell and I am limited in the regular meds that I can use to relieve

her symptoms, the routine of having to split all her meals into three

portions and the time that takes and the impact it has on our family time

and routine. All these things and more make me want to give up at times, and

I am so aware that others such as yourself have it much much harder than I

do in some ways. Quite frankly I take my hat off to you for sticking at it

so long.

Sending love and hugs to you, and to all of those who are struggling

with any of this keto life.

(Hannah's mum, Australia)

-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-

STRENGTH

We don't always have to be strong to be strong.

Sometimes our strength is expressed in being vulnerable.

Sometimes we need to fall apart to regroup and stay on track.

We all have days when we cannot push any harder, cannot hold back

self-doubt, cannot stop focusing on fear, cannot be strong.

There are days when we cannot focus on being responsible.

Occasionally, we don't want to get out of our pajamas.

Sometimes we cry in front of people.

We expose our tiredness, irritability, or anger.

Those days are okay.

They are just okay.

Part of taking care of ourselves means we give ourselves permission to " fall

apart " when we need to.

We do not need to be perpetual towers of strength.

We ARE strong.

We have proven that.

Our strength will continue if we allow ourselves the courage to feel scared,

weak, and vulnerable when we need to experience those feelings.

Today, help me to know that is it okay to allow myself to be human.

Help me not to feel guilty or punish myself when I need to " fall apart. "

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Jen...

Sev has eating issues as well...BOY do I get tired to trying to feed him

sometimes!!!!! I know all too well the nothings gonna get through, pinched

lip tactic! When he's sick, I spend a RIDICULOUS amount of time even

keeping him hydrated, much less eating his keto meals! So in short....NO

YOU SHOULD NOT FEEL ALONE!!!! This diet makes me insane somedays...like

really " I need a rubber room " insane! But, it's the best thing we have

going, so I stick with it and then head for the jacuzzi! Nan

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To: ketogenic

Subject: Just complaining

Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:48:28 -0400

I am so FED UP with this diet. I know that is an incredibly stupid thing to

say, when you look at the fact the Marissa has been med free for a year and

seizure free for three months. Sometimes, like right now, I feel like I

can't handle it one more minute. Marissa has been in a stage for the last

two weeks where she spits every bite I give her right back out. It takes an

hour to get one meal down. I know I'm supposed to get it done in 20

minutes, but honestly, it doesn't seem to make a difference and if I did

that, she would never get any food. It's also been really hot and humid

(which certainly doesn't help my patience level, especially being 8 months

pregnant) and she refuses to drink. So I do sugar free jello (stevia

sweetened), which is even more fun to spit out than other food apparently

because she really cracks up when she does it. Can't use a syringe, comes

right back out no matter where in her mouth I put it. Can't use a sippy

cup, she pinches her lips together so tight no way is anything gonna get in

there. So I figure with all the meal planning and preparing and ratio

adjusting and feeding, I spend about 5 hours every day doing nothing but the

stupid keto diet. And probably an hour either crying or on the verge of

tears. We were promised some nursing care last fall, which would certainly

come in handy now, but we are now on our third agency and either no one is

available, or the person scheduled doesn't show up, or they send us someone

totally incompetent. Like the last nurse, who fed Marissa everything but

the oil. Thank god I was watching when she went to dump it out!

I just don't want to do it anymore. I want everything to just be OK all by

itself.

I know I sound like a big baby. That's what I feel like right now. Please

please tell me I'm not the only one that feels like this sometimes.

Love

Jen- Proud mommy to Marissa (3 1/2 Years old, Cortical Dysplasia,

intractable epilepsy, cerebral palsy, keto kid since 12/99, med free since

6/2000, the light of my life), (21 months, the other light of my

life), and New Baby due August 15, 2001:o)

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Jen- know that you are not alone! THere is not a day goes by that I am not so thankful for the diet and all it has done for Brittany but wow.... it is really hard!! I think when this is all over I will never cook again!!! For a diet that is all about limiting foods- it seems all we do is think of what the next meal is for the day!! I am hoping things improve for you but keep the faith- as my husband keeps telling me- remember the big picture!! ( Hard to do when they are spitting food at you!!) Hopefully you will get some cooler weather too= if just for a day= it's hard to be pregnant in the middle of the summer!!!

= mom to Brittany= ketokid 1/29/01 - seizure and med free

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" GAVAN J. CANAVAN " wrote:

> Jen,

> This was passed on from another list today and when I read your post I

> thought it might help, not in a practical way, but just to know that someone

> identifies with your struggle.

Definitely a keeper for the files sections, don't you think?

> STRENGTH

>

> We don't always have to be strong to be strong.

> Sometimes our strength is expressed in being vulnerable.

> Sometimes we need to fall apart to regroup and stay on track.

> We all have days when we cannot push any harder, cannot hold back

> self-doubt, cannot stop focusing on fear, cannot be strong.

> There are days when we cannot focus on being responsible.

> Occasionally, we don't want to get out of our pajamas.

> Sometimes we cry in front of people.

> We expose our tiredness, irritability, or anger.

> Those days are okay.

> They are just okay.

> Part of taking care of ourselves means we give ourselves permission to " fall

> apart " when we need to.

> We do not need to be perpetual towers of strength.

> We ARE strong.

> We have proven that.

> Our strength will continue if we allow ourselves the courage to feel scared,

> weak, and vulnerable when we need to experience those feelings.

> Today, help me to know that is it okay to allow myself to be human.

> Help me not to feel guilty or punish myself when I need to " fall apart. "

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

resort! "

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Jen,

This may be incredibly dumb on my part to suggest, but does Marissa

like to drink from a straw? Especially one of those curly, color-

changing straws? Lucas is tube-fed, so I don't have to work at

getting him to take his food, but I remember my girls LOVED to drink

juice or milk from those funky straws. They always said they weren't

thirsty until I got out the straws, but then suddenly they were

parched! :) Maybe that would be worth a try?

Even though Lucas is tube-fed, which simplifies his meals and

feedings, I still get frustrated too, dealing with ketone

fluctuations and wondering what is going on with them. You're

definitely not alone! I hope things settle down for you soon. I'm

sure this stage will pass. Take care!

Heidi

>Can't use a syringe, comes

> right back out no matter where in her mouth I put it. Can't use a

sippy

> cup, she pinches her lips together so tight no way is anything

gonna get in

> there. > Love

> Jen- Proud mommy to Marissa (3 1/2 Years old, Cortical Dysplasia,

> intractable epilepsy, cerebral palsy, keto kid since 12/99, med

free since

> 6/2000, the light of my life), (21 months, the other light of

my

> life), and New Baby due August 15, 2001:o)

>

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I'm so glad no one told me what a bad mom I am. I wished I hadn't posted

after I sent it because I realized it sounded like I was doing a terrible

job as a mommy. But I feel better after reading the replies. Thank you all

so much for letting me know I am not alone.

Love

Jen

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yeah, we probably have it harder in some ways, and you probably have it

harder in other ways. I bet it's a tie:o) I completely identify with the

throwing up thing. Marissa vomits at least four days a week because ketones

are too high. Then they get too low and we do it again. Fun fun fun. It

really is worth it, though. If I could only skip over days like I had

yesterday. It's never even anything specific that happens, it's just me

feeling like I've reached the end of my rope. Then I have my mini crisis

and everything goes back to normal. Such is life, I guess.

Thanks so much for posting " Strength " . I cried when I read it, but in a

good way. It felt very cleansing.

Love

en

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: <ketogenic >

>Subject: Re: Just complaining

>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:33:23 +1000

>

>----- Original Message -----

>

> > I am so FED UP with this diet.

> > ............

> > I just don't want to do it anymore. I want everything to just be OK all

>by

> > itself.

> > I know I sound like a big baby. That's what I feel like right now.

>Please

> > please tell me I'm not the only one that feels like this sometimes.

>

>Jen,

> This was passed on from another list today and when I read your post I

>thought it might help, not in a practical way, but just to know that

>someone

>identifies with your struggle. Hannah is 100% tube fed which makes my

>struggle to feed so much less than yours, but there are days when I am so

>sick of the impact that the diet has on our life that I consider dropping

>it. They are the days when she is too ketotic and vomiting, the days when

>she is unwell and I am limited in the regular meds that I can use to

>relieve

>her symptoms, the routine of having to split all her meals into three

>portions and the time that takes and the impact it has on our family time

>and routine. All these things and more make me want to give up at times,

>and

>I am so aware that others such as yourself have it much much harder than I

>do in some ways. Quite frankly I take my hat off to you for sticking at it

>so long.

> Sending love and hugs to you, and to all of those who are struggling

>with any of this keto life.

> (Hannah's mum, Australia)

>-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-

>

>STRENGTH

>

>We don't always have to be strong to be strong.

>Sometimes our strength is expressed in being vulnerable.

>Sometimes we need to fall apart to regroup and stay on track.

>We all have days when we cannot push any harder, cannot hold back

>self-doubt, cannot stop focusing on fear, cannot be strong.

>There are days when we cannot focus on being responsible.

>Occasionally, we don't want to get out of our pajamas.

>Sometimes we cry in front of people.

>We expose our tiredness, irritability, or anger.

>Those days are okay.

>They are just okay.

>Part of taking care of ourselves means we give ourselves permission to

> " fall

>apart " when we need to.

>We do not need to be perpetual towers of strength.

>We ARE strong.

>We have proven that.

>Our strength will continue if we allow ourselves the courage to feel

>scared,

>weak, and vulnerable when we need to experience those feelings.

>Today, help me to know that is it okay to allow myself to be human.

>Help me not to feel guilty or punish myself when I need to " fall apart. "

>

>

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Heidi,

The straw is a really good idea, but I can't get Marissa to understand how

to use one. She loves to play with them, though:o) I might try it with my

toddler, though. Maybe I can get her to drink something besides rice milk.

Thanks!

Love

Jen

>From: heididoe@...

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: ketogenic

>Subject: Re: Just complaining

>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:57:52 -0000

>

>Jen,

>

>This may be incredibly dumb on my part to suggest, but does Marissa

>like to drink from a straw? Especially one of those curly, color-

>changing straws? Lucas is tube-fed, so I don't have to work at

>getting him to take his food, but I remember my girls LOVED to drink

>juice or milk from those funky straws. They always said they weren't

>thirsty until I got out the straws, but then suddenly they were

>parched! :) Maybe that would be worth a try?

>

>Even though Lucas is tube-fed, which simplifies his meals and

>feedings, I still get frustrated too, dealing with ketone

>fluctuations and wondering what is going on with them. You're

>definitely not alone! I hope things settle down for you soon. I'm

>sure this stage will pass. Take care!

>

>Heidi

>

>

> >Can't use a syringe, comes

> > right back out no matter where in her mouth I put it. Can't use a

>sippy

> > cup, she pinches her lips together so tight no way is anything

>gonna get in

> > there. > Love

> > Jen- Proud mommy to Marissa (3 1/2 Years old, Cortical Dysplasia,

> > intractable epilepsy, cerebral palsy, keto kid since 12/99, med

>free since

> > 6/2000, the light of my life), (21 months, the other light of

>my

> > life), and New Baby due August 15, 2001:o)

> >

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Nan,

Oooooooohhhhhhh, can I borrow your jacuzzi?

Is it common for keto kids to not want liquids? It seems so wierd, but

Marissa doesn't like to stay hydrated either.

Thanks!

Love

Jen

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: ketogenic

>Subject: Re: Just complaining

>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:03:27 -0600

>

>Jen...

>

>Sev has eating issues as well...BOY do I get tired to trying to feed him

>sometimes!!!!! I know all too well the nothings gonna get through, pinched

>lip tactic! When he's sick, I spend a RIDICULOUS amount of time even

>keeping him hydrated, much less eating his keto meals! So in short....NO

>YOU SHOULD NOT FEEL ALONE!!!! This diet makes me insane somedays...like

>really " I need a rubber room " insane! But, it's the best thing we have

>going, so I stick with it and then head for the jacuzzi! Nan

>

>----Original Message Follows----

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: ketogenic

>Subject: Just complaining

>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:48:28 -0400

>

>I am so FED UP with this diet. I know that is an incredibly stupid thing

>to

>say, when you look at the fact the Marissa has been med free for a year and

>seizure free for three months. Sometimes, like right now, I feel like I

>can't handle it one more minute. Marissa has been in a stage for the last

>two weeks where she spits every bite I give her right back out. It takes

>an

>hour to get one meal down. I know I'm supposed to get it done in 20

>minutes, but honestly, it doesn't seem to make a difference and if I did

>that, she would never get any food. It's also been really hot and humid

>(which certainly doesn't help my patience level, especially being 8 months

>pregnant) and she refuses to drink. So I do sugar free jello (stevia

>sweetened), which is even more fun to spit out than other food apparently

>because she really cracks up when she does it. Can't use a syringe, comes

>right back out no matter where in her mouth I put it. Can't use a sippy

>cup, she pinches her lips together so tight no way is anything gonna get in

>there. So I figure with all the meal planning and preparing and ratio

>adjusting and feeding, I spend about 5 hours every day doing nothing but

>the

>stupid keto diet. And probably an hour either crying or on the verge of

>tears. We were promised some nursing care last fall, which would certainly

>come in handy now, but we are now on our third agency and either no one is

>available, or the person scheduled doesn't show up, or they send us someone

>totally incompetent. Like the last nurse, who fed Marissa everything but

>the oil. Thank god I was watching when she went to dump it out!

>I just don't want to do it anymore. I want everything to just be OK all by

>itself.

>I know I sound like a big baby. That's what I feel like right now. Please

>please tell me I'm not the only one that feels like this sometimes.

>Love

>Jen- Proud mommy to Marissa (3 1/2 Years old, Cortical Dysplasia,

>intractable epilepsy, cerebral palsy, keto kid since 12/99, med free since

>6/2000, the light of my life), (21 months, the other light of my

>life), and New Baby due August 15, 2001:o)

>

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I know what you mean, I'm planning on bombing the food scale when we're

done. The rest of the family usually doesn't get very good meals right now

because I am so sick and tired of being in the kitchen all day.

Today is a tiny bit cooler and a lot less humid, so I'm feeling a little

more positive.

Love

Jen

>From: rywilbrit@...

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: ketogenic

>Subject: Re: Just complaining

>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:35:17 EDT

>

>Jen- know that you are not alone! THere is not a day goes by that I am not

>so

>thankful for the diet and all it has done for Brittany but wow.... it is

>really hard!! I think when this is all over I will never cook again!!! For

>a

>diet that is all about limiting foods- it seems all we do is think of what

>the next meal is for the day!! I am hoping things improve for you but keep

>the faith- as my husband keeps telling me- remember the big picture!! (

>Hard

>to do when they are spitting food at you!!) Hopefully you will get some

>cooler weather too= if just for a day= it's hard to be pregnant in the

>middle

>of the summer!!!

>

>= mom to Brittany= ketokid 1/29/01 - seizure and med free

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Jen-

When we started Savanna had lots of eating problems-loved to spit the food out etc. We used all sorts of tactics and even had to go to holding her mouth shut and pinching her nose until she swallowed-BOY could she hold food in her mouth for a long time. Eventually she got to the point where she will almost always eat/drink at meal time. Try making some freezer pops with keto-koolaid. I even have the kids save the plastic tubes from the regular freezer pops so Savanna thinks she's getting the same as them. Yesterday she ate 7 of them in a row- We've also used a turkey baster and make believe that she's a bird--takes a long time to get 7 oz. in but it was fun to her. If you're close enough you can come and use the hot tub anytime!! (only problem is Savanna also loves that)

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Jen...

Anytime!!!! You'll have to scootch in with Ran and I though...it's the only

'date' we ever get anymore! I HIGHLY recommend everyone buying one...with a

child with special needs, getting out and having time alone is such a big

important deal. A jucuzzi is an instant date when the kids go to bed. Our

is right outside our bedroom window, so we can crack the window and see and

hear Sev as were soaking! So though we're home most of the time, we feel

like we have special time. Nan

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To: ketogenic

Subject: Re: Just complaining

Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:14:37 -0400

Nan,

Oooooooohhhhhhh, can I borrow your jacuzzi?

Is it common for keto kids to not want liquids? It seems so wierd, but

Marissa doesn't like to stay hydrated either.

Thanks!

Love

Jen

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: ketogenic

>Subject: Re: Just complaining

>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:03:27 -0600

>

>Jen...

>

>Sev has eating issues as well...BOY do I get tired to trying to feed him

>sometimes!!!!! I know all too well the nothings gonna get through,

pinched

>lip tactic! When he's sick, I spend a RIDICULOUS amount of time even

>keeping him hydrated, much less eating his keto meals! So in short....NO

>YOU SHOULD NOT FEEL ALONE!!!! This diet makes me insane somedays...like

>really " I need a rubber room " insane! But, it's the best thing we have

>going, so I stick with it and then head for the jacuzzi! Nan

>

>----Original Message Follows----

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: ketogenic

>Subject: Just complaining

>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:48:28 -0400

>

>I am so FED UP with this diet. I know that is an incredibly stupid thing

>to

>say, when you look at the fact the Marissa has been med free for a year

and

>seizure free for three months. Sometimes, like right now, I feel like I

>can't handle it one more minute. Marissa has been in a stage for the last

>two weeks where she spits every bite I give her right back out. It takes

>an

>hour to get one meal down. I know I'm supposed to get it done in 20

>minutes, but honestly, it doesn't seem to make a difference and if I did

>that, she would never get any food. It's also been really hot and humid

>(which certainly doesn't help my patience level, especially being 8 months

>pregnant) and she refuses to drink. So I do sugar free jello (stevia

>sweetened), which is even more fun to spit out than other food apparently

>because she really cracks up when she does it. Can't use a syringe, comes

>right back out no matter where in her mouth I put it. Can't use a sippy

>cup, she pinches her lips together so tight no way is anything gonna get

in

>there. So I figure with all the meal planning and preparing and ratio

>adjusting and feeding, I spend about 5 hours every day doing nothing but

>the

>stupid keto diet. And probably an hour either crying or on the verge of

>tears. We were promised some nursing care last fall, which would certainly

>come in handy now, but we are now on our third agency and either no one is

>available, or the person scheduled doesn't show up, or they send us

someone

>totally incompetent. Like the last nurse, who fed Marissa everything but

>the oil. Thank god I was watching when she went to dump it out!

>I just don't want to do it anymore. I want everything to just be OK all

by

>itself.

>I know I sound like a big baby. That's what I feel like right now.

Please

>please tell me I'm not the only one that feels like this sometimes.

>Love

>Jen- Proud mommy to Marissa (3 1/2 Years old, Cortical Dysplasia,

>intractable epilepsy, cerebral palsy, keto kid since 12/99, med free

since

>6/2000, the light of my life), (21 months, the other light of my

>life), and New Baby due August 15, 2001:o)

>

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Just to add a little levity here. . .the first couple months I was so absorbed with 's meals that I just did very simple meals -- marinate some chicken and stick it in the oven, stir frys -- stuff that could just literally be thrown together. I remember the first time I made a real meal, from a real recipe. . . I literally felt a little baffled by measuring spoons and teaspoons. . . I was so used to a scale and grams! My husband walked through the kitchen and asked me what was wrong. . .and I just stared through him saying I'd forgotten how to cook "normally"!

Jen -- As for your issue with Marissa . . . we've been relatively lucky, except when 's got a virus. . .then all bets are off. She really doesn't want to drink then (and drinking is really never a problem with her). . . so I'm wondering if Patti's comment about dehydration isn't pretty close to home. It could be a viscious cycle. Also, I don't remember what ratio Marissa is on, but when was on 4.0 we had lots of battles. We're only down to 3.8, but there's a huge difference. One more thing -- when 's sick, the cream is really tough to get in her (that's an understatement. . .it's impossible!). This last virus go-around I figured out that I could make some meals without the cream. It's a ton of mayo and oil -- but if I make it up as chicken salad or something like that it seems to work out okay. Sounds like you're beyond that with Marissa, but maybe you could try something similar?

Thinking of you!--D

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I'm planning on bombing the food scale when we're done. The rest of the family usually doesn't get very good meals right now because I am so sick and tired of being in the kitchen all day.

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Jen:

I'm sure you'll get other messages as well (probably already have), but

since I'm just reading this on Sunday morning this is my first oportunity.

You are NOT alone in your feelings of frustration. I certainly feel the

same many times. I'm sure we've all been there. Sometimes it just seems

easier to give it all up, but then we try to remember why we're doing this

in the first place.

Keep up the good work!

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Kathy,

Well, I live in Michigan, so I guess I could zip over in 5 to 10 hours

depending on where in WI you live:o)

I haven't tried koolaid pops for a while. Since it's pretty warm, maybe

they would go over well.

Love

Jen

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: <ketogenic >

>Subject: Re: Just complaining

>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:57:06 -0500

>

>Jen-

>When we started Savanna had lots of eating problems-loved to spit the food

>out etc. We used all sorts of tactics and even had to go to holding her

>mouth shut and pinching her nose until she swallowed-BOY could she hold

>food in her mouth for a long time. Eventually she got to the point where

>she will almost always eat/drink at meal time. Try making some freezer

>pops with keto-koolaid. I even have the kids save the plastic tubes from

>the regular freezer pops so Savanna thinks she's getting the same as them.

>Yesterday she ate 7 of them in a row- We've also used a turkey baster and

>make believe that she's a bird--takes a long time to get 7 oz. in but it

>was fun to her. If you're close enough you can come and use the hot tub

>anytime!! (only problem is Savanna also loves that)

>

>Kathy/WI

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Kathy,

Well, I live in Michigan, so I guess I could zip over in 5 to 10 hours

depending on where in WI you live:o)

I haven't tried koolaid pops for a while. Since it's pretty warm, maybe

they would go over well.

Love

Jen

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: <ketogenic >

>Subject: Re: Just complaining

>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:57:06 -0500

>

>Jen-

>When we started Savanna had lots of eating problems-loved to spit the food

>out etc. We used all sorts of tactics and even had to go to holding her

>mouth shut and pinching her nose until she swallowed-BOY could she hold

>food in her mouth for a long time. Eventually she got to the point where

>she will almost always eat/drink at meal time. Try making some freezer

>pops with keto-koolaid. I even have the kids save the plastic tubes from

>the regular freezer pops so Savanna thinks she's getting the same as them.

>Yesterday she ate 7 of them in a row- We've also used a turkey baster and

>make believe that she's a bird--takes a long time to get 7 oz. in but it

>was fun to her. If you're close enough you can come and use the hot tub

>anytime!! (only problem is Savanna also loves that)

>

>Kathy/WI

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Kathy,

Well, I live in Michigan, so I guess I could zip over in 5 to 10 hours

depending on where in WI you live:o)

I haven't tried koolaid pops for a while. Since it's pretty warm, maybe

they would go over well.

Love

Jen

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: <ketogenic >

>Subject: Re: Just complaining

>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:57:06 -0500

>

>Jen-

>When we started Savanna had lots of eating problems-loved to spit the food

>out etc. We used all sorts of tactics and even had to go to holding her

>mouth shut and pinching her nose until she swallowed-BOY could she hold

>food in her mouth for a long time. Eventually she got to the point where

>she will almost always eat/drink at meal time. Try making some freezer

>pops with keto-koolaid. I even have the kids save the plastic tubes from

>the regular freezer pops so Savanna thinks she's getting the same as them.

>Yesterday she ate 7 of them in a row- We've also used a turkey baster and

>make believe that she's a bird--takes a long time to get 7 oz. in but it

>was fun to her. If you're close enough you can come and use the hot tub

>anytime!! (only problem is Savanna also loves that)

>

>Kathy/WI

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DeEtte,

Actually Marissa has a gluten and dairy allergy, so no cream for any of her

meals. You're right, it is a ton of mayo or oil. It took her a while to

get used to the volume.

Her ratio is usually 2:1 for breakfast and lunch and 1.8:1 for dinner.

Although last night her urine ketones were barely showing small, so we went

up to 2.5 and this morning 2.3. I have no idea what goes on with her

ketones. They fluctuate like mad.

Love

Jen

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: " 'ketogenic ' " <ketogenic >

>Subject: RE: Just complaining

>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:55:56 -0700

>

>Just to add a little levity here. . .the first couple months I was so

>absorbed with 's meals that I just did very simple meals -- marinate

>some chicken and stick it in the oven, stir frys -- stuff that could just

>literally be thrown together. I remember the first time I made a real

>meal,

>from a real recipe. . . I literally felt a little baffled by measuring

>spoons and teaspoons. . . I was so used to a scale and grams! My husband

>walked through the kitchen and asked me what was wrong. . .and I just

>stared

>through him saying I'd forgotten how to cook " normally " !

>

>Jen -- As for your issue with Marissa . . . we've been relatively lucky,

>except when 's got a virus. . .then all bets are off. She really

>doesn't want to drink then (and drinking is really never a problem with

>her). . . so I'm wondering if Patti's comment about dehydration isn't

>pretty

>close to home. It could be a viscious cycle. Also, I don't remember what

>ratio Marissa is on, but when was on 4.0 we had lots of battles.

>We're

>only down to 3.8, but there's a huge difference. One more thing -- when

>'s sick, the cream is really tough to get in her (that's an

>understatement. . .it's impossible!). This last virus go-around I figured

>out that I could make some meals without the cream. It's a ton of mayo and

>oil -- but if I make it up as chicken salad or something like that it seems

>to work out okay. Sounds like you're beyond that with Marissa, but maybe

>you could try something similar?

>

>Thinking of you!--D

>

>***

>

>I'm planning on bombing the food scale when we're

>done. The rest of the family usually doesn't get very good meals right now

>because I am so sick and tired of being in the kitchen all day.

>

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DeEtte,

Actually Marissa has a gluten and dairy allergy, so no cream for any of her

meals. You're right, it is a ton of mayo or oil. It took her a while to

get used to the volume.

Her ratio is usually 2:1 for breakfast and lunch and 1.8:1 for dinner.

Although last night her urine ketones were barely showing small, so we went

up to 2.5 and this morning 2.3. I have no idea what goes on with her

ketones. They fluctuate like mad.

Love

Jen

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: " 'ketogenic ' " <ketogenic >

>Subject: RE: Just complaining

>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:55:56 -0700

>

>Just to add a little levity here. . .the first couple months I was so

>absorbed with 's meals that I just did very simple meals -- marinate

>some chicken and stick it in the oven, stir frys -- stuff that could just

>literally be thrown together. I remember the first time I made a real

>meal,

>from a real recipe. . . I literally felt a little baffled by measuring

>spoons and teaspoons. . . I was so used to a scale and grams! My husband

>walked through the kitchen and asked me what was wrong. . .and I just

>stared

>through him saying I'd forgotten how to cook " normally " !

>

>Jen -- As for your issue with Marissa . . . we've been relatively lucky,

>except when 's got a virus. . .then all bets are off. She really

>doesn't want to drink then (and drinking is really never a problem with

>her). . . so I'm wondering if Patti's comment about dehydration isn't

>pretty

>close to home. It could be a viscious cycle. Also, I don't remember what

>ratio Marissa is on, but when was on 4.0 we had lots of battles.

>We're

>only down to 3.8, but there's a huge difference. One more thing -- when

>'s sick, the cream is really tough to get in her (that's an

>understatement. . .it's impossible!). This last virus go-around I figured

>out that I could make some meals without the cream. It's a ton of mayo and

>oil -- but if I make it up as chicken salad or something like that it seems

>to work out okay. Sounds like you're beyond that with Marissa, but maybe

>you could try something similar?

>

>Thinking of you!--D

>

>***

>

>I'm planning on bombing the food scale when we're

>done. The rest of the family usually doesn't get very good meals right now

>because I am so sick and tired of being in the kitchen all day.

>

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DeEtte,

Actually Marissa has a gluten and dairy allergy, so no cream for any of her

meals. You're right, it is a ton of mayo or oil. It took her a while to

get used to the volume.

Her ratio is usually 2:1 for breakfast and lunch and 1.8:1 for dinner.

Although last night her urine ketones were barely showing small, so we went

up to 2.5 and this morning 2.3. I have no idea what goes on with her

ketones. They fluctuate like mad.

Love

Jen

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: " 'ketogenic ' " <ketogenic >

>Subject: RE: Just complaining

>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:55:56 -0700

>

>Just to add a little levity here. . .the first couple months I was so

>absorbed with 's meals that I just did very simple meals -- marinate

>some chicken and stick it in the oven, stir frys -- stuff that could just

>literally be thrown together. I remember the first time I made a real

>meal,

>from a real recipe. . . I literally felt a little baffled by measuring

>spoons and teaspoons. . . I was so used to a scale and grams! My husband

>walked through the kitchen and asked me what was wrong. . .and I just

>stared

>through him saying I'd forgotten how to cook " normally " !

>

>Jen -- As for your issue with Marissa . . . we've been relatively lucky,

>except when 's got a virus. . .then all bets are off. She really

>doesn't want to drink then (and drinking is really never a problem with

>her). . . so I'm wondering if Patti's comment about dehydration isn't

>pretty

>close to home. It could be a viscious cycle. Also, I don't remember what

>ratio Marissa is on, but when was on 4.0 we had lots of battles.

>We're

>only down to 3.8, but there's a huge difference. One more thing -- when

>'s sick, the cream is really tough to get in her (that's an

>understatement. . .it's impossible!). This last virus go-around I figured

>out that I could make some meals without the cream. It's a ton of mayo and

>oil -- but if I make it up as chicken salad or something like that it seems

>to work out okay. Sounds like you're beyond that with Marissa, but maybe

>you could try something similar?

>

>Thinking of you!--D

>

>***

>

>I'm planning on bombing the food scale when we're

>done. The rest of the family usually doesn't get very good meals right now

>because I am so sick and tired of being in the kitchen all day.

>

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,

Thank you, it is so nice to know that other people stuggle with the same

feelings, especially since we are the only family I know outside the cyber

world that does the diet.

Love

Jen

>

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>To: ketogenic

>Subject: Re: Just complaining

>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:00:33 -0400

>

>Jen:

>I'm sure you'll get other messages as well (probably already have), but

>since I'm just reading this on Sunday morning this is my first oportunity.

>

>You are NOT alone in your feelings of frustration. I certainly feel the

>same many times. I'm sure we've all been there. Sometimes it just seems

>easier to give it all up, but then we try to remember why we're doing this

>in the first place.

>

>Keep up the good work!

>

>

>

>

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,

Thank you, it is so nice to know that other people stuggle with the same

feelings, especially since we are the only family I know outside the cyber

world that does the diet.

Love

Jen

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: ketogenic

>Subject: Re: Just complaining

>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:00:33 -0400

>

>Jen:

>I'm sure you'll get other messages as well (probably already have), but

>since I'm just reading this on Sunday morning this is my first oportunity.

>

>You are NOT alone in your feelings of frustration. I certainly feel the

>same many times. I'm sure we've all been there. Sometimes it just seems

>easier to give it all up, but then we try to remember why we're doing this

>in the first place.

>

>Keep up the good work!

>

>

>

>

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,

Thank you, it is so nice to know that other people stuggle with the same

feelings, especially since we are the only family I know outside the cyber

world that does the diet.

Love

Jen

>

>Reply-To: ketogenic

>To: ketogenic

>Subject: Re: Just complaining

>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:00:33 -0400

>

>Jen:

>I'm sure you'll get other messages as well (probably already have), but

>since I'm just reading this on Sunday morning this is my first oportunity.

>

>You are NOT alone in your feelings of frustration. I certainly feel the

>same many times. I'm sure we've all been there. Sometimes it just seems

>easier to give it all up, but then we try to remember why we're doing this

>in the first place.

>

>Keep up the good work!

>

>

>

>

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