Re: Vaccination records

[Guest guest]

Hi Rhonda,

I don't know..but my experience has been to be truthful about it with

whoever asks. My baby had a reaction with his third dtp - awful, awful,

awful. I ask those that ask me about getting more shots if they would

be willing to risk the life of *their* child with further shots if it

was *their* child who had already had a reaction. And I ask about IF I

went ahead with the next shot WHAT would/could be done if he had another

reaction, or even one more severe? Would there be anything they could do

to help him?

I don't much like hearing the lame, " It probably won't happen again,

It's worth the risk. Just have to try and see. " When I ask what can be

done about a reaction, the answers I get aren't very comforting. Doesn't

seem like there IS much that can be done, and there most certainly

wasn't when my baby had a reaction! After baby had a reaction, and was

suffering, they acted like they didn't really care how much he

suffered...but they bent over backwards trying to make sure that the

suffering wasn't connected to the shot in the records. (Even though one

there in the office informed us (in a whisper when alone in the room)

that it WAS a reaction to his shot, that they saw it " ALL THE TIME " .

In the records it was written that he was happily playing, etc. and

acting normal for his age -- when in actuality he was in a dull kind of

stupor, and certainly wasn't playing. I'd be kind of dull too I guess if

my tongue was swollen up so awful, and I was passing bad bloody diarrhea

rather profusely , among other things.My gosh, if they considered the

state he was in as " happily playing, normal child " ... They didn't

write anything down in the records about a number of things --

completely omitted it. (!) Our poor little guy didn't laugh again for

MONTHS. Oops. getting emotional. Sorry about that. I was just so upset

and horrified and disappointed with the medical community when it

happened to us. (I had great respect and faith in the medical community

as well as in vaccines, prior to the reaction. I now distrust them

99.5% of the time. ) Back to the subject..

I have on occasion asked that if THEY are so confident about the safety

of a shot, and its benefits, if THEY PERSONALLY would be willing to put

in writing that they would be willing to personally be held legally and

financially responsible should anything go wrong. Haven't found one yet

who was that confident.

I've never tried to put my children into preschool or regular school.

We've always homeschooled. We *began* homeschooling chiefly because of

the vaccine reaction problem. (We have lots more reasons for

homeschooling now, and wouldn't dream of giving it up.) I do have a

signed statement from a doctor excusing my oldest from further shots,

because of the reaction. (Had to take him to visit another doctor

elsewhere after the first -- this doctor recognized the problem , wrote

the letter, etc.) I *could* have enrolled him in school, but have opted

not to.

I kind of get the impression that children here in our area are

absolutely positively not admitted to preschool, etc. unless they have

complete immunization records, or signed letter from a doctor excusing

this. The folks at your child's preschool may very well refuse to let

her stay.

Isn't that about nuts, though? If the vaccines work so very well, then

the other children there are at no risk of catching anything from yours,

right? If the vaccines work so well, what are they afraid of?

Janet

Rhonda Grierson-Auriat wrote:

> From: Rhonda Grierson-Auriat <denver@...>

>

> Help!

>

> I thought that the vaccination question wasn't going to come up at

> preschool, as it wasn't mentioned on the registration form I filled

> out.

> My daughter started 3 weeks ago, and yesterday she came home with a

> " medical information " which is dominated by a chart to fill in with

> vaccination dates and location. She had the DPT and oral polio at 2

> and

> 4 months, but after that I decided I couldn't do it anymore, it just

> didn't feel right. I got flak from my doctor, but now she leaves me

> alone.

>

> I'm just going to fill in what she has had on the chart and leave the

> rest blank, but I don't know what to say when they ask why she hasn't

> had the rest. Do I say what I feel, which is that I feel that putting

> a

> vaccine into her body is a much greater assault on her immune system

> than having the disease would be; or do I use an excuse and say that

> she

> had a reaction to a vaccine and we decided not to continue.

>

> She did have a reaction to the 4 month shot, but quite frankly I'm

> more

> concerned about long-term reactions that aren't yet apparent.

>

> Olivia had a bit of a cold when she went to preschool yesterday and I

> got the evil eye when I picked her up and a comment that " this little

> girl was coughing a lot today " . Personally, I think that's a good

> thing, her body is getting rid of the toxins itself. I get the

> impression that this is not going to be an " alternative medicine "

> friendly environment. It is a private preschool, with a board of

> directors made up of parents. Do they have the right to refuse her if

>

> she isn't immunized? She enjoys it, so I hate to pull her out, but

> I'd

> rather keep her at home until she's 50 than pump her full of vaccines.

>

> Any advice?

>

> Rhonda Grierson-Auriat

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rhonda

Honesty is the best policy. Fill out the form; including the shots she did

have, and instead of leaving the rest blank you could right a paragraph (or

paper LOL) explaining how you feel about vaccines. Include the fact that

she DID have a reaction at 4 months and that you do not feel comfortable

injecting toxic chemicals directly into her bloodstream....you are the

mother and only you are responsible for the health and well~being of your

child. That makes you (and ONLY you) responsible for dealing w/illness or

a reaction to a vaccine. No doctor, pharmacutical company, school, or

whatever can be held responsible if your child has a reaction....therefore

it is your God-given right to make a decision based on the information you

have found. You can also provide a philisophical exemption (pending on

your state/providence) or religous (even if your not religous. Medical

wouldn't work unless your doctor wrote out an exemption form stating that

your child had a reaction, and he/she advises not to continue the 'routine'.

It would be a shame if they didn't understand your personal views on the

matter--but it is a decision that only YOU can make, and if you are willing

to deal with the consequences--what's it to them?! If they aren't open

minded in that respect, it probably isn't a place you want your child to be

anyway.

Good luck, I hope everything works out for you; and please let us know what

happens. I am contemplating starting Montessori school for my son (mainly

for the interaction) and may have to deal w/ similiar issues.

Take Care,

Lana

mama of cody ukiah (8/15/97)

At 07:16 PM 9/24/98 -0500, you wrote:

>From: Rhonda Grierson-Auriat <denver@...>

>

>Help!

>

>I thought that the vaccination question wasn't going to come up at

>preschool, as it wasn't mentioned on the registration form I filled out.

>My daughter started 3 weeks ago, and yesterday she came home with a

> " medical information " which is dominated by a chart to fill in with

>vaccination dates and location. She had the DPT and oral polio at 2 and

>4 months, but after that I decided I couldn't do it anymore, it just

>didn't feel right. I got flak from my doctor, but now she leaves me

>alone.

>

>I'm just going to fill in what she has had on the chart and leave the

>rest blank, but I don't know what to say when they ask why she hasn't

>had the rest. Do I say what I feel, which is that I feel that putting a

>vaccine into her body is a much greater assault on her immune system

>than having the disease would be; or do I use an excuse and say that she

>had a reaction to a vaccine and we decided not to continue.

>

>She did have a reaction to the 4 month shot, but quite frankly I'm more

>concerned about long-term reactions that aren't yet apparent.

>

>Olivia had a bit of a cold when she went to preschool yesterday and I

>got the evil eye when I picked her up and a comment that " this little

>girl was coughing a lot today " . Personally, I think that's a good

>thing, her body is getting rid of the toxins itself. I get the

>impression that this is not going to be an " alternative medicine "

>friendly environment. It is a private preschool, with a board of

>directors made up of parents. Do they have the right to refuse her if

>she isn't immunized? She enjoys it, so I hate to pull her out, but I'd

>rather keep her at home until she's 50 than pump her full of vaccines.

>

>Any advice?

>

>Rhonda Grierson-Auriat

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I for one, would have no qualms about just filling out a record and stating

that my child had all of her vaccinations, even if she hadn't (it's not like

anyone can read the doctors' signatures anyway - and who's to say there isn't a

Doctor Sollinger?). I know this is illegal, but the way I look at it, neither

the government nor anybody else has a right to say that my child MUST have

these vaccines. If the government won't change these barbaric laws, and if

they continue the shield the manufacturers from liability, then I just won't

play by their rules.

Fortunately, I won't ever have to do that, as my doctor will certify that all

of my children have medical exemptions from the vaccine requirements, and my

state has a religious exemption which wil cover my children as well. Of

course, if you can avoid vaccines honestly and legally, that is the best way to

go. But there's no way I would do something to my children that I know could

harm them.

Steve

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to know what you decided to do Rhonda. I don't know what I

would have done in your case. Since Q has never had any vaccines I would

leave it blank and wait for the phone call to ask why I did not fill it

out. Since it is a private school they could say no to your daughter

attending or say she'd have to stay home if an outbreak of any disease

happened.

Please let us know what happened!!

vaccination records

From: Rhonda Grierson-Auriat <denver@...>

Help!

I thought that the vaccination question wasn't going to come up at

preschool, as it wasn't mentioned on the registration form I filled out.

My daughter started 3 weeks ago, and yesterday she came home with a

" medical information " which is dominated by a chart to fill in with

vaccination dates and location. She had the DPT and oral polio at 2 and

4 months, but after that I decided I couldn't do it anymore, it just

didn't feel right. I got flak from my doctor, but now she leaves me

alone.

I'm just going to fill in what she has had on the chart and leave the

rest blank, but I don't know what to say when they ask why she hasn't

had the rest. Do I say what I feel, which is that I feel that putting a

vaccine into her body is a much greater assault on her immune system

than having the disease would be; or do I use an excuse and say that she

had a reaction to a vaccine and we decided not to continue.

She did have a reaction to the 4 month shot, but quite frankly I'm more

concerned about long-term reactions that aren't yet apparent.

Olivia had a bit of a cold when she went to preschool yesterday and I

got the evil eye when I picked her up and a comment that " this little

girl was coughing a lot today " . Personally, I think that's a good

thing, her body is getting rid of the toxins itself. I get the

impression that this is not going to be an " alternative medicine "

friendly environment. It is a private preschool, with a board of

directors made up of parents. Do they have the right to refuse her if

she isn't immunized? She enjoys it, so I hate to pull her out, but I'd

rather keep her at home until she's 50 than pump her full of vaccines.

Any advice?

Rhonda Grierson-Auriat

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[Guest guest]

We finally got the information we asked for from the health dept. regarding our

son's vaccination record. They gave us the lot numbers but no manufacturers. Is

it neccesary to have the manufacturer in order to figure out if it was a " hot

lot " or not? Could someone direct me to the website that listed manufacturers

and lot numbers, I would be grateful! Patti

(mom to Garet, 4 yrs )

[Guest guest]

Patti - How did you come to get the records from the health dept? Is that

where your son was vaccinated? I'm curious, because our doctor left the state

and " lost " all information related to vaccine manufacturers and lots. Would

the health dept have this info?

Thx,