Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Hi, I found this, and I thought it's interesting. I know somebody asked a few days ago about parasites. http://kitchendoctor.com/healthconditions/parasites.html Also, maybe I say something really stupid, but doesn't garlic contain arsenic? I'm not sure about this, but I think I've read about this somewhere, a few years ago... So now I wonder... is this why garlic helps with pain when you have a dental infection? Because it's actually arsenic? Is this why it helps if you burn it and inhale the fumes? Does anybody know about this? I was thinking that I've heard so many people saying that they will use garlic for parasites and also for chelation (sulfur), but if garlic really contains arsenic, then is this a good thing to do? Thank you. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 > -----Original Message----- > From: Valentina Ardelean [mailto:val@...] > but doesn't garlic > contain arsenic? I'm not sure about this, but I think I've read > about this somewhere, a few years ago... > > Valentina I have been a long time fan of garlic, I even did a paper on it in college. Although the paper was on garlic in the ancient world, I dug up a lot of info on it in general. I didn't remember ever hearing of it containing arsenic. I dug out my paper to look up the info. Skipping the folkloric history... When used as a vegetable rather than a seasoning it is extremely nutritious. It has vitamins B, C, riboflavin, niacin, protein, calcium, phosphorus and an amino acid called allicin. It is allicin that gives garlic its pungent odor and flavor. Scientists (and ancient peoples) say that in is an antibiotic, has antibacterial properties, and is an antiparasitic. Dr. Albert Schweitzer used it to treat cholera, typhus and amebic dysentery (parasitic diarrhea). It has been used on the battlefield to treat wounds and prevent gangrene. It has been proven that the blood from garlic eaters kills bacteria. It is an antioxidant, stimulates the immune system, and has been used as a detoxifier (I don't believe that it was used as a heavy metal detoxifier). Garlic is toxic to some tumor cells. There are still studies going on whether or not garlic helps lower the *bad* cholesterol and/or lower blood pressure. That is a short rundown on the food/medicine aspect of the paper I did, (the paper was better written). I hope this answers you questions some. Tana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 This article was just on the Feat List. Thought I would forward. Garlic Extract Helps Ward Off Drug-Resistant Bugs [intestinal disorders are frequently present in children with autism. This report says garlic has some remedial effect on some colon bacteria. By Anne Harding, Reuters Health.] http://www.reutershealth.com/archive/2001/12/20/eline/links/20011220elin018. html <- - address ends here. Garlic might be able to ward off more than vampires, reports presented here Wednesday show--it may also fight two types of drug-resistant bacteria. The new reports, presented here at the Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, suggest that garlic's active ingredient, allicin, could be useful in the battle against infection that does not respond to antibiotic drugs, a serious and growing problem. Dr. Cutler of the University of East London, UK, reported on his research using a cream containing allicin, garlic's active compound, to fight methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). MRSAs infect hospital patients, and are also a danger for healthcare workers and people with weakened immune systems. About half of people carry MRSAs in their noses, he said. A topical drug, mupirocin, was released in 1985 to help wipe out nasal MRSA carriage--which is where most infections originate--but the bug has already begun to develop resistance to it, he added. Cutler and his colleagues developed creams that were able to carry allicin in a stable, effective form and mask its odor. They tested the creams against 30 different samples of MRSA taken from patients and grown in the laboratory. An allicin concentration of 32 parts per million (ppm) inhibited the growth of all of the bacteria samples, and all were killed by allicin at 256 ppm. A topical treatment for MRSA infection is sorely needed, Cutler told Reuters Health; he said he has seen patients with extensive, weeping lesions caused by MRSA infection that don't respond to treatment and have lasted for months. There's probably little danger that bugs will develop resistance to allicin, Cutler said. While allicin is not effective against certain species of bacteria, bugs that are susceptible to allicin have never been seen to develop resistance to it, he explained. Cutler told Reuters Health that he and his colleagues will begin clinical trials of the allicin cream for MRSA infections next year. Nopex Ltd., the company that is developing the allicin creams, participated in the research. Dr. Jaya Prakash of the National University of Health Sciences in Lombard, Illinois, reported on her research on allicin's effects on another drug-resistant bug, vancomycin-resistant enterococci (VRE). She and her colleagues conducted laboratory tests of allicin's effect on VRE samples taken from patients with the infection. Allicin did not kill the VRE, but it did hold their growth in check. This suggests, Prakash told Reuters Health, that an allicin preparation could be given to patients when they enter the hospital to prevent VRE from taking hold in their digestive tracts. She explained that garlic would be especially effective against bacteria living in the colon, because up to 20% of the garlic is not absorbed in the body but excreted in the feces. " This was a very important first-step study, " Prakash told Reuters Health. She noted that patients may enter the hospital with VREs in their digestive tracts, or they may contract the infection in the hospital. Once the bug takes hold, she explained, it can spread to the bladder and to catheters, resulting in a serious and very difficult-to-treat infection. Both Prakash and Cutler noted that the garlic preparations are very safe. " There's a huge margin of safety, " said Prakash. " That's why it may be the ideal candidate. " The next steps in her research, Prakash said, will be to try to figure out allicin's mechanism of action against VREs and to conduct clinical trials. This study was partially funded by Phytopharmica, a company that makes garlic-containing products. Copyright © 2001 Reuters Limite > -----Original Message----- > From: Valentina Ardelean [mailto:val@...] > but doesn't garlic > contain arsenic? I'm not sure about this, but I think I've read > about this somewhere, a few years ago... > > Valentina I have been a long time fan of garlic, I even did a paper on it in college. Although the paper was on garlic in the ancient world, I dug up a lot of info on it in general. I didn't remember ever hearing of it containing arsenic. I dug out my paper to look up the info. Skipping the folkloric history... When used as a vegetable rather than a seasoning it is extremely nutritious. It has vitamins B, C, riboflavin, niacin, protein, calcium, phosphorus and an amino acid called allicin. It is allicin that gives garlic its pungent odor and flavor. Scientists (and ancient peoples) say that in is an antibiotic, has antibacterial properties, and is an antiparasitic. Dr. Albert Schweitzer used it to treat cholera, typhus and amebic dysentery (parasitic diarrhea). It has been used on the battlefield to treat wounds and prevent gangrene. It has been proven that the blood from garlic eaters kills bacteria. It is an antioxidant, stimulates the immune system, and has been used as a detoxifier (I don't believe that it was used as a heavy metal detoxifier). Garlic is toxic to some tumor cells. There are still studies going on whether or not garlic helps lower the *bad* cholesterol and/or lower blood pressure. That is a short rundown on the food/medicine aspect of the paper I did, (the paper was better written). I hope this answers you questions some. 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Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 >Also, maybe I say something really stupid, but doesn't garlic contain arsenic? I'm not sure about this, but I think I've read about this somewhere, a few years ago... >So now I wonder... is this why garlic helps with pain when you have a dental infection? Because it's actually arsenic? Is this why it helps if you burn it and inhale the fumes? >Does anybody know about this? >I was thinking that I've heard so many people saying that they will use garlic for parasites and also for chelation (sulfur), but if garlic really contains arsenic, then is this a good thing to do? >Thank you. Hi Valentina, I think farlic doesn't contain arsenic. I just looked for " arsenic " in the index of the one book I have about garlic -- as I expected it is not there. It might be hard to find a book that says it DOESN'T have arsenic (since, why would they mention what it DOESN'T have)?? I'm not sure why I think it DOESN'T-- maybe just because I've heard a LOT about garlic and don't think I've ever heard that. Plus it just has such a " wholesome " reputation. Then again, apples have a VERY wholesome reputation, and I've been told that apple seeds contain arsenic. I have not been able to verify or refute THAT one either. But I don't put apple cores through my juicer! Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Hi Tana, I guess I should have said that I don't contest the fact that garlic really is a great vegetable with lots of proprieties. I am aware of them, and I even use garlic for my son. I know how great it is and I wasn't trying to minimize its importance. I was only worried about that detail. I think I've read that somewhere a long time ago, and it just came to my mind last evening. Thanks for the info though, I am sure a lot of people will read them with great interest > I hope this answers you questions some. well... not really I'm not really convinced that garlic contains arsenic, but... you know... it would be good to know for sure. I guess this piece of information would have been out there if it was true. I tried to find anything about it on the internet, and I didn't find anything. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 > This article was just on the Feat List. Thought I would forward. Hi, Yes, I've read the article, and I'm not surprised... I mean, as I said before, I am sure garlic can make many miracles (so to speak) but... that still doesn't answer my question Thanks anyway Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Hi, I guess garlic does contain some arsenic. And that's supposed to be ok (within some limits) I found this page so far: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_258000/258180.stm go to the end of the article... there is something there... Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 > -----Original Message----- > From: Valentina Ardelean [mailto:val@...] > > Hi, > > I guess garlic does contain some arsenic. > And that's supposed to be ok (within some limits) > I found this page so far: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_258000/258180.stm > go to the end of the article... there is something there... > > > Valentina > >From what I understand reading this is that the arsenic is in these products, not in the garlic in general. Of course, I am sure where and how it is grown makes a difference as to what might be in it. Tana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Tana, That was a very thorough report on garlic you gave. I recently read all of the same information about it and it's properties. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Moria, I heard a doctor speak about arsenic existing in the seeds of apples and he said that you'd have to eat a large quantity of apple cores for this to affect you. (The arsenic in them.) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 >From what I understand reading this is that the arsenic is in these >products, not in the garlic in general. Of course, I am sure where and how >it is grown makes a difference as to what might be in it. > >Tana Hi Tana, I think you and I may be drawing conclusions differently (than each other). I'm not certain, from what you said. The article said TWO brands of garlic had arsenic in them. This does not imply HOW the arsenic got there -- they could have BOTH somehow been " tainted " -- but to me the fact that there were TWO brands involved makes this seem a whole lot less likely. I agree that if garlic has a tendency toward accumulating arsenic, (which looks like it does) then the amount in any given garlic could vary A LOT. Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 > -----Original Message----- > From: Moria Merriweather [mailto:moriam@...] > > Hi Tana, I think you and I may be drawing conclusions differently > (than each other). I'm not certain, from what you said. The article > said TWO brands of garlic had arsenic in them. This does not imply > HOW the arsenic got there -- they could have BOTH somehow been > " tainted " -- but to me the fact that there were TWO brands involved > makes this seem a whole lot less likely. > > I agree that if garlic has a tendency toward accumulating arsenic, > (which looks like it does) then the amount in any given garlic could > vary A LOT. > > Moria > Hi Moria, The facts in the matter is that there is not enough info for me to really draw ANY conclusion. How many brands were tested? How many are on the market? Did they test garlic that is food grade or just supplement? Was the garlic in both of the supplements grown on the same farm? Or were they grown in different hemispheres? Was it grown organically or with chemicals? In what way was the garlic processed? See what I mean? I can come up with hundreds more questions. There just is not enough info on that page (it doesn't mean that there isn't enough somewhere though). Tana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 > The facts in the matter is that there is not enough info for > me to really draw ANY conclusion. Hi Tana, I think the conclusion is really easy to draw. The only reason I brought up the garlic and arsenic idea was only because I was concerned for the little kids that get so much garlic in such a short time. I don't know either if that info is true. But just in case it is, the parents should be aware of it and be careful where they buy the garlic from, or whatever... I don't know what other measures they can take. But I just wanted people to have the idea, the information. Especially because many of them try to chelate arsenic. That's all the conclusion that is to draw. I have to say though that in that article it was obvious for me too that the FDA inspectors (or whatever they are called) considered normal for garlic to have some arsenic in it. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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