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Mercury interferes with mineral transport meaning the boday doesn't use it

right...that's why the counting rules apply. The body won't be able to use

calcium correctly until the body burden of mercury decreases...

S

On Sat, 15 December 2001, " D & J Tobey " wrote:

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> Hi & nbsp; Andy,<BR>

> 's (age 51/2) hair analysis said that he was extremely deficient in

calcium, and also quite low in copper and cobalt. & nbsp; The calcium was all the

way off the chart, in the low red, with a result of & lt;9 & nbsp; (reference range

125 - 370). & nbsp; I began adding a liquid calcium-magnesium-zinc

supplement & nbsp; (Floradix Calcium-Magnesium) to his diet on

Thursday. & nbsp; & nbsp; Do you think I need to spend some time building up the

calcium in his body, before beginning chelation? & nbsp; If so, how long? & nbsp;

Would a week of extra calcium in an easily absorbable liquid form be enough?<BR>

> <BR>

> I've included a copy of his hair analysis below. & nbsp; Do you have any other

comments or suggestions based on the hair analysis? & nbsp; & nbsp; Thanks Andy!<BR>

> <BR>

> Aluminum 17 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;8.0 & nbsp;

mid-YELLOW<BR>

> Antimony & nbsp; .072 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt; .066 & nbsp; low

YELLOW<BR>

> Arsenic & nbsp; & nbsp; .42 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

& lt; .08 & nbsp; mid to high RED<BR>

> Beryllium & nbsp; & lt;.01 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

& lt;.02 & nbsp; & nbsp; doesn't show on chart (low side)<BR>

> Bismuth & nbsp; .075 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.13 & nbsp; & nbsp; mid green<BR>

> cadmium & nbsp; .13 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt; .15 & nbsp; High green<BR>

> lead & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

..64 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;1.0 & nbsp; mid green<BR>

> Mercury & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; .32 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; .4 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; high

green<BR>

> platinum & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;0.003 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.005 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

doesn't show on chart (low side) & nbsp; & nbsp; <BR>

> Thallium & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.001 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;.01 & nbsp; & nbsp;

doesn't show on chart (low side)<BR>

> Thorium & nbsp; & lt;.001 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.005 & nbsp; doesn't show on chart (low

side)<BR>

> Uranium & nbsp; .013 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.06 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; low green<BR>

> Nickel & nbsp; .05 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.2 & nbsp; & nbsp; low green & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

<BR>

> Silver & nbsp; .15 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.2 & nbsp; & nbsp; high green<BR>

> Tin & nbsp; .23 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.3 & nbsp; & nbsp; high green<BR>

> Titanium & nbsp; 1.0 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;1.0 & nbsp; just touches into YELLOW (from

green)<BR>

> Total Toxic & nbsp; 1.0 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;1.0 & nbsp; & nbsp; high YELLOW<BR>

> <BR>

> Essential Elements<BR>

> calcium & nbsp; & lt;9 & nbsp; 125 - 370 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; off the chart! low

RED<BR>

> Magnesium & nbsp; 36 & nbsp; 12-30 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; low part of & nbsp; high

YELLOW<BR>

> Sodium 130 12 - 90 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; low part of

high YELLOW<BR>

> Potassium 78 & nbsp; 12 - 40 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of high YELLOW<BR>

> Copper 7.0 & nbsp; 8.0 - 16 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; high part

of low RED<BR>

> Zinc & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; 82 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

100-190 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of low YELLOW<BR>

> Manganese & nbsp; .2 & nbsp; .2 - .55 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; low part of low green <BR>

> Chromium .36 & nbsp; & nbsp; .26-.5 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; white only<BR>

> Vanadium & nbsp; & nbsp; .093 & nbsp; & nbsp; .03 - .1 & nbsp; high part of high

green<BR>

> molybdenum & nbsp; .11 & nbsp; .05 - .13 & nbsp; mid part of high green<BR>

> boron 1.8 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; .6-

4.0 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; white only<BR>

> Iodine & nbsp; 2.6 & nbsp; .25- & nbsp;

1.3 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of high

YELLOW<BR>

> Lithium & nbsp; .029 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; .007 - .023 & nbsp; & nbsp; low part of high

YELLOW<BR>

> Phosphorus & nbsp; 199 & nbsp; 160 - 250 & nbsp; & nbsp; white only<BR>

> Selenium & nbsp; .86 & nbsp; .95-1.7 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; high part

of low YELLOW<BR>

> Strontium & nbsp; .29 & nbsp; .16 - 1.0 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; white only<BR>

> Sulfur & nbsp; 51900 & nbsp; 4500-5300 high part of high green<BR>

> Barium & nbsp; .13 & nbsp; .16 -

..8 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of low

YELLOW<BR>

> Cobalt & nbsp; .005 & nbsp; .013-.035 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Mid part of low RED<BR>

> Iron & nbsp; 24 & nbsp; 8.0

19 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;\

& nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; low part of high YELLOW<BR>

> Germanium & nbsp; .038 & nbsp; .045-.065 & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of low YELLOW<BR>

> Rubidium & nbsp; .091 & nbsp; .016-.18 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of high

green<BR>

> Zirconium & nbsp; .12 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; .04 -1.0 & nbsp; mid part of low green<BR>

> <BR>

> Thank you! & nbsp; :-)<BR>

> Janice<BR>

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Hi, I am not Andy but I think he would say not to wait

to bring calcium levels up but to start chelation as

soon as you can. Vicky

--- D & J Tobey <djtobey@...> wrote:

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> Hi Andy,

> 's (age 51/2) hair analysis said that he was

> extremely deficient in calcium, and also quite low

> in copper and cobalt. The calcium was all the way

> off the chart, in the low red, with a result of <9

> (reference range 125 - 370). I began adding a

> liquid calcium-magnesium-zinc supplement (Floradix

> Calcium-Magnesium) to his diet on Thursday. Do you

> think I need to spend some time building up the

> calcium in his body, before beginning chelation? If

> so, how long? Would a week of extra calcium in an

> easily absorbable liquid form be enough?

>

> I've included a copy of his hair analysis below. Do

> you have any other comments or suggestions based on

> the hair analysis? Thanks Andy!

>

> Aluminum 17 <8.0 mid-YELLOW

> Antimony .072 < .066 low YELLOW

> Arsenic .42 < .08 mid to high RED

> Beryllium <.01 <.02 doesn't show on chart

> (low side)

> Bismuth .075 <.13 mid green

> cadmium .13 < .15 High green

> lead .64 <1.0 mid green

> Mercury .32 .4 high green

> platinum <0.003 <.005 doesn't show on chart

> (low side)

> Thallium <.001 >.01 doesn't show on chart

> (low side)

> Thorium <.001 <.005 doesn't show on chart (low

> side)

> Uranium .013 <.06 low green

> Nickel .05 <.2 low green

> Silver .15 <.2 high green

> Tin .23 <.3 high green

> Titanium 1.0 <1.0 just touches into YELLOW (from

> green)

> Total Toxic 1.0 <1.0 high YELLOW

>

> Essential Elements

> calcium <9 125 - 370 off the chart! low RED

> Magnesium 36 12-30 low part of high YELLOW

> Sodium 130 12 - 90 low part of high YELLOW

> Potassium 78 12 - 40 mid part of high YELLOW

> Copper 7.0 8.0 - 16 high part of low RED

> Zinc 82 100-190 mid part of low YELLOW

> Manganese .2 .2 - .55 low part of low green

> Chromium .36 .26-.5 white only

> Vanadium .093 .03 - .1 high part of high green

> molybdenum .11 .05 - .13 mid part of high green

> boron 1.8 .6- 4.0 white only

> Iodine 2.6 .25- 1.3 mid part of high

> YELLOW

> Lithium .029 .007 - .023 low part of high

> YELLOW

> Phosphorus 199 160 - 250 white only

> Selenium .86 .95-1.7 high part of low YELLOW

> Strontium .29 .16 - 1.0 white only

> Sulfur 51900 4500-5300 high part of high green

> Barium .13 .16 - .8 mid part of low

> YELLOW

> Cobalt .005 .013-.035 Mid part of low RED

> Iron 24 8.0 19 low part of high

> YELLOW

> Germanium .038 .045-.065 mid part of low YELLOW

> Rubidium .091 .016-.18 mid part of high green

> Zirconium .12 .04 -1.0 mid part of low green

>

> Thank you! :-)

> Janice

>

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We just received our Element analysis (MetaMetrix) on our 5yr son. Results

show HIGH Ca(not indicator of nutritional status of Ca when measured in

erythrocyte but " has been assoc. w/ hypertension),LOW mg,LOW zinc and other

trace minerals low/normal...we've been supplementing these for over a

year....these measures were done before 1st round of metals- detox. I

really wonder what the measures are going to be on the post metals-detox

measure?!

I realize that the body burden of mercury & /or other metals decreases the

ability of the body to properly process these elements...I'm just wondering

how much is his body benefiting from the $$ of supplements we put into it

each day. Even a little help is worth the $$ but I have questions as to how

even our doctors know how to dose these kids? As a small example, we were

giving our son 50mg/Zinc 2X/day for 2 months prior to this measure. His

Zinc measured 3.5 with ref. being 6.0-11.0?!? Any input?

Re: [ ] low calcium - okay to Chelate now, Andy?

Mercury interferes with mineral transport meaning the boday doesn't use it

right...that's why the counting rules apply. The body won't be able to use

calcium correctly until the body burden of mercury decreases...

S

On Sat, 15 December 2001, " D & J Tobey " wrote:

>

> <html><body>

>

>

> <tt>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> Hi & nbsp; Andy,<BR>

> 's (age 51/2) hair analysis said that he was extremely deficient in

calcium, and also quite low in copper and cobalt. & nbsp; The calcium was all

the way off the chart, in the low red, with a result of & lt;9 & nbsp;

(reference range 125 - 370). & nbsp; I began adding a liquid

calcium-magnesium-zinc supplement & nbsp; (Floradix Calcium-Magnesium) to his

diet on Thursday. & nbsp; & nbsp; Do you think I need to spend some time

building up the calcium in his body, before beginning chelation? & nbsp; If

so, how long? & nbsp; Would a week of extra calcium in an easily absorbable

liquid form be enough?<BR>

> <BR>

> I've included a copy of his hair analysis below. & nbsp; Do you have any

other comments or suggestions based on the hair analysis? & nbsp; & nbsp; Thanks

Andy!<BR>

> <BR>

> Aluminum 17 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

& lt;8.0 & nbsp; mid-YELLOW<BR>

> Antimony & nbsp; .072 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt; .066 & nbsp; low

YELLOW<BR>

> Arsenic & nbsp; & nbsp;

..42 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt; .08 & nbsp; mid

to high RED<BR>

> Beryllium & nbsp; & lt;.01 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

& lt;.02 & nbsp; & nbsp; doesn't show on chart (low side)<BR>

> Bismuth & nbsp; .075 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.13 & nbsp; & nbsp; mid green<BR>

> cadmium & nbsp; .13 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt; .15 & nbsp; High green<BR>

> lead & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

..64 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;1.0 & nbsp; mid green<BR>

> Mercury & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; .32 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; .4 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

high green<BR>

> platinum & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;0.003 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

& lt;.005 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; doesn't show on chart (low side) & nbsp; & nbsp; <BR>

> Thallium & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.001 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

& gt;.01 & nbsp; & nbsp; doesn't show on chart (low side)<BR>

> Thorium & nbsp; & lt;.001 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.005 & nbsp; doesn't show on chart

(low side)<BR>

> Uranium & nbsp; .013 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.06 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; low green<BR>

> Nickel & nbsp; .05 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.2 & nbsp; & nbsp; low

green & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; <BR>

> Silver & nbsp; .15 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.2 & nbsp; & nbsp; high green<BR>

> Tin & nbsp; .23 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;.3 & nbsp; & nbsp; high green<BR>

> Titanium & nbsp; 1.0 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;1.0 & nbsp; just touches into YELLOW

(from green)<BR>

> Total Toxic & nbsp; 1.0 & nbsp; & nbsp; & lt;1.0 & nbsp; & nbsp; high YELLOW<BR>

> <BR>

> Essential Elements<BR>

> calcium & nbsp; & lt;9 & nbsp; 125 - 370 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; off the chart! low

RED<BR>

> Magnesium & nbsp; 36 & nbsp; 12-30 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; low part of & nbsp; high

YELLOW<BR>

> Sodium 130 12 - 90 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; low

part of high YELLOW<BR>

> Potassium 78 & nbsp; 12 - 40 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of high

YELLOW<BR>

> Copper 7.0 & nbsp; 8.0 - 16 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; high

part of low RED<BR>

> Zinc & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; 82 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

100-190 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of low YELLOW<BR>

> Manganese & nbsp; .2 & nbsp; .2 - .55 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; low part of low

green <BR>

> Chromium .36 & nbsp; & nbsp; .26-.5 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; white

only<BR>

> Vanadium & nbsp; & nbsp; .093 & nbsp; & nbsp; .03 - .1 & nbsp; high part of high

green<BR>

> molybdenum & nbsp; .11 & nbsp; .05 - .13 & nbsp; mid part of high green<BR>

> boron 1.8 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; .6-

4.0 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; white only<BR>

> Iodine & nbsp; 2.6 & nbsp; .25- & nbsp;

1.3 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of high

YELLOW<BR>

> Lithium & nbsp; .029 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; .007 - .023 & nbsp; & nbsp; low part of

high YELLOW<BR>

> Phosphorus & nbsp; 199 & nbsp; 160 - 250 & nbsp; & nbsp; white only<BR>

> Selenium & nbsp; .86 & nbsp; .95-1.7 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

high part of low YELLOW<BR>

> Strontium & nbsp; .29 & nbsp; .16 - 1.0 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; white

only<BR>

> Sulfur & nbsp; 51900 & nbsp; 4500-5300 high part of high green<BR>

> Barium & nbsp; .13 & nbsp; .16 -

..8 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of

low YELLOW<BR>

> Cobalt & nbsp; .005 & nbsp; .013-.035 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Mid part of low

RED<BR>

> Iron & nbsp; 24 & nbsp; 8.0

19 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & n

bsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; low part of high YELLOW<BR>

> Germanium & nbsp; .038 & nbsp; .045-.065 & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of low

YELLOW<BR>

> Rubidium & nbsp; .091 & nbsp; .016-.18 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; mid part of high

green<BR>

> Zirconium & nbsp; .12 & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; .04 -1.0 & nbsp; mid part of low

green<BR>

> <BR>

> Thank you! & nbsp; :-)<BR>

> Janice<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

>

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>We just received our Element analysis (MetaMetrix) on our 5yr son. Results

>show HIGH Ca(not indicator of nutritional status of Ca when measured in

>erythrocyte but " has been assoc. w/ hypertension),LOW mg,LOW zinc and other

>trace minerals low/normal...we've been supplementing these for over a

>year....these measures were done before 1st round of metals- detox. I

>really wonder what the measures are going to be on the post metals-detox

>measure?!

Hi ,

Speaking purely anecdotally, my calcium level went from very elevated

(about twice the high end of ref range)

(on test at beginning of chelation) to ***normal*** (on test after

several months of chelation). Other elements also mostly normalized.

The most abnormal value (on the later test) was lithium (extremely

low)-- a couple in the yellow zone (low or high). The counting

rules say I have NORMAL mineral transport (on later test).

I don't think this is conclusive of anything much, but it sure

seems incouraging :)

Moria

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thanks moria!

RE: [ ] low calcium - okay to Chelate now, Andy?

>We just received our Element analysis (MetaMetrix) on our 5yr son.

Results

>show HIGH Ca(not indicator of nutritional status of Ca when measured in

>erythrocyte but " has been assoc. w/ hypertension),LOW mg,LOW zinc and

other

>trace minerals low/normal...we've been supplementing these for over a

>year....these measures were done before 1st round of metals- detox. I

>really wonder what the measures are going to be on the post metals-detox

>measure?!

Hi ,

Speaking purely anecdotally, my calcium level went from very elevated

(about twice the high end of ref range)

(on test at beginning of chelation) to ***normal*** (on test after

several months of chelation). Other elements also mostly normalized.

The most abnormal value (on the later test) was lithium (extremely

low)-- a couple in the yellow zone (low or high). The counting

rules say I have NORMAL mineral transport (on later test).

I don't think this is conclusive of anything much, but it sure

seems incouraging :)

Moria

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