Re: amazon.com - adding to the paranoia

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Hi Joe, everyone

I think that beneath the witty urbane veneer and the fashionable irony, I'm

actually an idealist! Look at what I wrote- although I was joking, and

although I said I didn't think this was what was happening, I think

underneath it all I was still hoping there that somebody was actually,

really and sincerely, " working the steps " . How very sweet of me.

I know how you feel. Maybe thats partly why we're so mad. We went

to this religion and actually did work the steps. I could not understand

how the others in the religon could be so dishonest and abusive if they

were actually working the steps. When I saw I had gone to all this

trouble to work the steps believing I had to do this to stay sober, and

I was surrounded by others who obviously never had really worked them

and were sober, I got pissed! Especially when I started complaining

and was told I had to find my part in the anger.

I have found my part, folks. Selfish, dishonest, self-seeking, and

frightened. I went to AA and worked the steps.

At 19:36 02/07/98 +0100, you wrote:

>more likely Joe

>

>Stepper employee gets their ass kicked all over Amazon for

>meddling and puts it right. most likely a response to

>complaints from steppers as we've discussed - strange how

>that review reappeared tho. i can imagine the response from

>the groupers if we posted abt this on addict-l - derision -

>even tho this *is* weird and surely cannot be coincidence.

>

>P.

>

>On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:29:55 Joe Berenbaum

> wrote:

>> I can't help imagining possible scenarios behind these

>> strange events.

>>

>> 1. Stepper Amazon employee realises with horror that books

>> criticising the step programs and offering alternatives are

>> selling like hot cakes.

>>

>> 2. Stepper Amazon employee hurriedly conceals the evidence

>> of this trend in the hope of slowing down or stopping this

>> threat.

>>

>> 3. Stepper Amazon employee does an inventory, realises that

>> their behaviour was dishonest and full of " self-will " and

>> decides to make amends, puts the best-seller lists,

>> reviews, etc back where they were.

>>

>> But somehow I don't get the feeling that this is what

>> happened.

>Pete

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I think that beneath the witty urbane veneer and the fashionable irony, I'm

actually an idealist! Look at what I wrote- although I was joking, and

although I said I didn't think this was what was happening, I think

underneath it all I was still hoping there that somebody was actually,

really and sincerely, " working the steps " . How very sweet of me.

At 19:36 02/07/98 +0100, you wrote:

>more likely Joe

>

>Stepper employee gets their ass kicked all over Amazon for

>meddling and puts it right. most likely a response to

>complaints from steppers as we've discussed - strange how

>that review reappeared tho. i can imagine the response from

>the groupers if we posted abt this on addict-l - derision -

>even tho this *is* weird and surely cannot be coincidence.

>

>P.

>

>On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:29:55 Joe Berenbaum

> wrote:

>> I can't help imagining possible scenarios behind these

>> strange events.

>>

>> 1. Stepper Amazon employee realises with horror that books

>> criticising the step programs and offering alternatives are

>> selling like hot cakes.

>>

>> 2. Stepper Amazon employee hurriedly conceals the evidence

>> of this trend in the hope of slowing down or stopping this

>> threat.

>>

>> 3. Stepper Amazon employee does an inventory, realises that

>> their behaviour was dishonest and full of " self-will " and

>> decides to make amends, puts the best-seller lists,

>> reviews, etc back where they were.

>>

>> But somehow I don't get the feeling that this is what

>> happened.

>Pete

>----------------------

>Cool Briton

>

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At 05:55 PM 7/2/98 -0700, you wrote:

>

>

>

>Hi Joe, everyone

>

>I think that beneath the witty urbane veneer and the fashionable irony, I'm

>actually an idealist! Look at what I wrote- although I was joking, and

>although I said I didn't think this was what was happening, I think

>underneath it all I was still hoping there that somebody was actually,

>really and sincerely, " working the steps " . How very sweet of me.

If you said that in a meeting I went to, you would be corrected - my

sponsor, when reading how it works at a meeting, often said " Here are the

Steps we TOOK, which... "

" Yea, well, yall can 'work the steps' all yall want, I'm grateful

I'm TAKING the Steps and am actualy finding recovery, and the happiness

joyousness, and freedom this program promises... "

And it's ironic - the only was I could convincingly talk the talk was

to be extemporaneously sarcastic. Just add " one day at a time " or " and for

that I am eternally grateful " or similar phrase to each sentence...

>I know how you feel. Maybe thats partly why we're so mad. We went

>to this religion and actually did work the steps. I could not understand

>how the others in the religon could be so dishonest and abusive if they

>were actually working the steps. When I saw I had gone to all this

>trouble to work the steps believing I had to do this to stay sober, and

>I was surrounded by others who obviously never had really worked them

>and were sober, I got pissed! Especially when I started complaining

>and was told I had to find my part in the anger.

Holy shit (no pun intended). You took the words right out of my mouth.

>I have found my part, folks. Selfish, dishonest, self-seeking, and

>frightened. I went to AA and worked the steps.

>

>

And I suppose this thread is no longer about Amazon...

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Are you sure he didn't say, " these are the 12 step LISTS we TOOK [from

Amazon.com]?

Re: amazon.com - adding to the paranoia

>At 05:55 PM 7/2/98 -0700, you wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>Hi Joe, everyone

>>

>>I think that beneath the witty urbane veneer and the fashionable irony,

I'm

>>actually an idealist! Look at what I wrote- although I was joking, and

>>although I said I didn't think this was what was happening, I think

>>underneath it all I was still hoping there that somebody was actually,

>>really and sincerely, " working the steps " . How very sweet of me.

>

> If you said that in a meeting I went to, you would be corrected - my

>sponsor, when reading how it works at a meeting, often said " Here are the

>Steps we TOOK, which... "

> " Yea, well, yall can 'work the steps' all yall want, I'm grateful

>I'm TAKING the Steps and am actualy finding recovery, and the happiness

>joyousness, and freedom this program promises... "

> And it's ironic - the only was I could convincingly talk the talk was

>to be extemporaneously sarcastic. Just add " one day at a time " or " and for

>that I am eternally grateful " or similar phrase to each sentence...

>

>

>>I know how you feel. Maybe thats partly why we're so mad. We went

>>to this religion and actually did work the steps. I could not understand

>>how the others in the religon could be so dishonest and abusive if they

>>were actually working the steps. When I saw I had gone to all this

>>trouble to work the steps believing I had to do this to stay sober, and

>>I was surrounded by others who obviously never had really worked them

>>and were sober, I got pissed! Especially when I started complaining

>>and was told I had to find my part in the anger.

>

> Holy shit (no pun intended). You took the words right out of my mouth.

>

>>I have found my part, folks. Selfish, dishonest, self-seeking, and

>>frightened. I went to AA and worked the steps.

>>

>>

>

> And I suppose this thread is no longer about Amazon...

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At 21:22 02/07/98 -0400, you wrote:

>At 05:55 PM 7/2/98 -0700, you wrote:

>> I think

>>underneath it all I was still hoping there that somebody was actually,

>>really and sincerely, " working the steps " .

>

>If you said that in a meeting I went to, you would be corrected - my

>sponsor, when reading how it works at a meeting, often said " Here are the

>Steps we TOOK, which... "

> " Yea, well, yall can 'work the steps' all yall want, I'm grateful

>I'm TAKING the Steps and am actualy finding recovery, and the happiness

>joyousness, and freedom this program promises... "

There are such unfortunates. They are pompous fools. They read the

literature giving special emphasis to words that they think others need to

have emphasised. Note that we only have this person's word for it that he

is actually " finding recovery " ! The likelihood that a fundamentalist who is

hung up on words for everyone else's alleged benefit is experiencing a

higher level of mental health than the assembled mustitude is not great.

Apparently Trimpey says something about " recovery group disorders " . I would

be interested to read it- does anyone know where it is to be found?

Joe Berenbaum

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After several years of stepper bullshit I found the freedom to say 'fuck

off' when clowns

would start in with the special emphisis to words game. I have to tell you

that there was

no greater joy than looking those jerks in the eye (and having over a decade

sober) and

saying " you're a jabbering idiot; shut up " .

The pompous idiots just stand there in disbelief that one of their own would

refute the " word " .

Imagine, if you will, Reese and Glenn in a meeting spewing psychosis at the

multitudes and

one guy stands up and sez " I don't buy it and no one else does either " .

It's poetry......

Re: amazon.com - adding to the paranoia

>At 21:22 02/07/98 -0400, you wrote:

>>At 05:55 PM 7/2/98 -0700, you wrote:

>>> I think

>>>underneath it all I was still hoping there that somebody was actually,

>>>really and sincerely, " working the steps " .

>>

>>If you said that in a meeting I went to, you would be corrected - my

>>sponsor, when reading how it works at a meeting, often said " Here are the

>>Steps we TOOK, which... "

>> " Yea, well, yall can 'work the steps' all yall want, I'm grateful

>>I'm TAKING the Steps and am actualy finding recovery, and the happiness

>>joyousness, and freedom this program promises... "

>

>There are such unfortunates. They are pompous fools. They read the

>literature giving special emphasis to words that they think others need to

>have emphasised. Note that we only have this person's word for it that he

>is actually " finding recovery " ! The likelihood that a fundamentalist who is

>hung up on words for everyone else's alleged benefit is experiencing a

>higher level of mental health than the assembled mustitude is not great.

>

>Apparently Trimpey says something about " recovery group disorders " . I would

>be interested to read it- does anyone know where it is to be found?

>

>

>Joe Berenbaum

>

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