Re: Uva Ursi, dosage? frequency? Jaquelyn

[Guest guest]

Hi Jaquelyn,

Do you mind if I ask you in your own practice what have you found to

be most successful with treating yeast and parasites in children with

autism. And with the understanding that as long a mercury is a

problem do your patients stay on these medication indefinetly,

Thanks Leah

-- In @y..., " JMcCandless " <JMcCandless@p...> wrote:

> Jan: At the last DAN conference I overheard some

> clinicians talking about uva ursi as not being

> appropriate for children; I don't remember why.

> However, some of the warnings would make me be

> cautious: pregnant or lactating women should not use

> it, it shouldn't be used for very long, and those

> with irritated gi tracts or kidney problems should

> not use it. I would get more information before use -

> also, diflucan is a stress on the system, and

> combining them might be something that should be

> considered carefully also. Not being an herbalist, I

> used to think herbs were all safe, but have found out

> it's not necessarily true. If you do use it, would

> appreciate feedback on its effectiveness and safety

> etc. Thanks, Jaquelyn

> --- Original Message ---

> From: braunsmom@a...

> @y...

> Subject: [ ] Uva Ursi, dosage? frequency?

>

> >My son's lab report from Great Smokies showed 3+ for

> both Citrobacter

> >freundii, and Klebsiella oxytoca. His MD wants to

> try the natural substances

> >first and Uva-Ursi is the herb of choice.

> >

> >For those of you who have tried Uva-Ursi to get rid

> of these gut bugs, how

> >much, how often and for how long? My boy is 10

> years old and 73 lbs.

> >

> >He also has a 4+ for Candida, so is it OK to be

> treating with diflucan at the

> >same time as using Uva-Ursi?

> >

> >I really do appreciate any input. Thanks.

> >Jan

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Listmates:

Concerned about yeast. So am I. I tried uva ursi but my doctor said

it is hard on the liver so I stopped, it had been reccommended from

another homeopath. I recently started olive leaf extract. I heard

about it on another list. I looked it up and olive leaf extract has a

long list of what it kills off - Yeast, parasites, cold virus, flu,

herpes, polio, CMV ect. My son has viral problems and yeast problems

so I bought a bottle. Everyone in the family had a cold so everyone

gave it a try. I also took some to prevent a cold. I am nursing my

2 1/2 year old. He had a cold so I thought if he got some it could

help him also.

What is amazing is what it did for my 2 1/2 year old. Luke is very

normal but started w/ stool problems at about a year. I stopped his

shots at 6 months. Luke had been GF/CF most of his life and is still

nursing. He now eats a typical diet and often has mushy stools so I

rotate his diet. When I was on the OLE his stools were perfect. I

stopped the OLE and the stools got mushy. I started again and the

stools were perfect again. Basically I do not know what is doing for

Luke but it is something.

Jack has gotten very hyper on the OLE, the first day he was a

complete mess. His stools have become yellow, so I know I am

eliminating yeast. I stopped it for a few days to let his body

process all the garbage.

Tuesday Jack had general anesethia to get a filling in his tooth.

After the procedure he seemed more with it. He wanted to go into the

pool, which he has not wanted to do in a while. Now Jack is very

hyper but his eye contact is better and he is pulling me all over the

house and interacting with me much more on his own initiation.

So much has happened, I do not know what did what but I think I like

the OLE. I seem to get more results from OLE than from uva ursi.

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

nne

One more comment - I hate treating yeast!

> > Jan: At the last DAN conference I overheard some

> > clinicians talking about uva ursi as not being

> > appropriate for children; I don't remember why.

> > However, some of the warnings would make me be

> > cautious: pregnant or lactating women should not use

> > it, it shouldn't be used for very long, and those

> > with irritated gi tracts or kidney problems should

> > not use it. I would get more information before use -

> > also, diflucan is a stress on the system, and

> > combining them might be something that should be

> > considered carefully also. Not being an herbalist, I

> > used to think herbs were all safe, but have found out

> > it's not necessarily true. If you do use it, would

> > appreciate feedback on its effectiveness and safety

> > etc. Thanks, Jaquelyn

> > --- Original Message ---

> > From: braunsmom@a...

> > @y...

> > Subject: [ ] Uva Ursi, dosage? frequency?

> >

> > >My son's lab report from Great Smokies showed 3+ for

> > both Citrobacter

> > >freundii, and Klebsiella oxytoca. His MD wants to

> > try the natural substances

> > >first and Uva-Ursi is the herb of choice.

> > >

> > >For those of you who have tried Uva-Ursi to get rid

> > of these gut bugs, how

> > >much, how often and for how long? My boy is 10

> > years old and 73 lbs.

> > >

> > >He also has a 4+ for Candida, so is it OK to be

> > treating with diflucan at the

> > >same time as using Uva-Ursi?

> > >

> > >I really do appreciate any input. Thanks.

> > >Jan

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/23/01 7:23:13 PM Central Standard Time,

valadez4@... writes:

> If tests come back confirming yeast in the

> > urine organic acid test or stool tests,

I have a question about the above statement. My son has had three stool

samples, none of which have shown any yeast. Yet three organic acid tests

have all shown presence of yeast metabolites (arabinose, 3-oxyglutaric,

citramalic, high citric). My doctor strongly feels that yeast cannot be a

problem if there is none detected in three consecutive stool samples. I know

I've asked this question on this board before, but how can yeast be present

(at a troublesome level) if stool comes back yeast-free?

Thanks,

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Leah: I treat yeast first with dietary adjustment:

strict GF/CF of course, and a serum IgG 90-food

allergy test if parents are willing, to make sure

soy, corn, or some other common allegen is not

inflaming the gut. If there are any bowel symptoms

like diarrhea, constipation, gut pain, gas,

distention etc., I advise STRICT elimination of

sugars from the diet, including juices (except dilute

pear juice) and most fruits. Probiotics are

essential; I recommend a broad-spectrum probiotic

like Pro-Bio Gold or Vital-10 and a high

lactobacillus source like Culturelle each once a

day. If tests come back confirming yeast in the

urine organic acid test or stool tests, I start

Nystatin in the little guys and Diflucan in the

larger kids. If infestation is severe, I even use

Diflucan in the smaller kids if the above regime does

not seem to be helping. I have never had a problem

with Diflucan; I use it for three weeks at 4mg/Kg a

day. (All children are tested with a comprehensive

chem panel and a CBC with differential and platelets

to make sure the liver and kidneys are functioning

adequately before giving anti-fungals, anti-virals,

or chelation agents.) If symptoms persist I let the

child (the mother, actually!) rest for one week and

give another 3-week course and then after one week

retest the urine. If that remains positive, I do a

stool culture to ascertain sensitivity for specific

anti-fungal agents, but I seldom have to go that

far. I have found that one of the main problems is

allowing the children to have sugar which the yeast

makes them crave. Apple juice is one of the main

culprits, and many kids are very addicted to it.

When parents get fierce with elimination of sugar

(juices, raisins, candies, popsicles, etc. etc.)we

usually get much better results.

As to citrobacter freundii and klebsiella oxytoca,

I must admit I have never treated these

specifically. I believe they may have a sizeable

presence in the gut (they are normal inhabitants in

regulated amounts) only when yeast has taken over and

the gut is totally out of balance. I think in most

cases adequate reduction of the yeast overgrowth will

handle these other inhabitants.--- Original Message --

-

From: valadez4@...

Subject: [ ] Re: Uva Ursi, dosage?

frequency? Jaquelyn

>Hi Jaquelyn,

>Do you mind if I ask you in your own practice what

have you found to

>be most successful with treating yeast and parasites

in children with

>autism. And with the understanding that as long a

mercury is a

>problem do your patients stay on these medication

indefinetly,

>Thanks Leah

>

>-- In @y..., " JMcCandless "

<JMcCandless@p...> wrote:

>> Jan: At the last DAN conference I overheard some

>> clinicians talking about uva ursi as not being

>> appropriate for children; I don't remember why.

>> However, some of the warnings would make me be

>> cautious: pregnant or lactating women should not

use

>> it, it shouldn't be used for very long, and those

>> with irritated gi tracts or kidney problems should

>> not use it. I would get more information before

use -

>> also, diflucan is a stress on the system, and

>> combining them might be something that should be

>> considered carefully also. Not being an

herbalist, I

>> used to think herbs were all safe, but have found

out

>> it's not necessarily true. If you do use it,

would

>> appreciate feedback on its effectiveness and

safety

>> etc. Thanks, Jaquelyn

>> --- Original Message ---

>> From: braunsmom@a...

>> @y...

>> Subject: [ ] Uva Ursi, dosage?

frequency?

>>

>> >My son's lab report from Great Smokies showed 3+

for

>> both Citrobacter

>> >freundii, and Klebsiella oxytoca. His MD wants

to

>> try the natural substances

>> >first and Uva-Ursi is the herb of choice.

>> >

>> >For those of you who have tried Uva-Ursi to get

rid

>> of these gut bugs, how

>> >much, how often and for how long? My boy is 10

>> years old and 73 lbs.

>> >

>> >He also has a 4+ for Candida, so is it OK to be

>> treating with diflucan at the

>> >same time as using Uva-Ursi?

>> >

>> >I really do appreciate any input. Thanks.

>> >Jan

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jaquelyn, Your so kind, I appreciate you taking the time to

share what you do. There seems to be so many ways of dealing with

these problems thanks again, Leah

> >> Jan: At the last DAN conference I overheard some

> >> clinicians talking about uva ursi as not being

> >> appropriate for children; I don't remember why.

> >> However, some of the warnings would make me be

> >> cautious: pregnant or lactating women should not

> use

> >> it, it shouldn't be used for very long, and those

> >> with irritated gi tracts or kidney problems should

> >> not use it. I would get more information before

> use -

> >> also, diflucan is a stress on the system, and

> >> combining them might be something that should be

> >> considered carefully also. Not being an

> herbalist, I

> >> used to think herbs were all safe, but have found

> out

> >> it's not necessarily true. If you do use it,

> would

> >> appreciate feedback on its effectiveness and

> safety

> >> etc. Thanks, Jaquelyn

> >> --- Original Message ---

> >> From: braunsmom@a...

> >> @y...

> >> Subject: [ ] Uva Ursi, dosage?

> frequency?

> >>

> >> >My son's lab report from Great Smokies showed 3+

> for

> >> both Citrobacter

> >> >freundii, and Klebsiella oxytoca. His MD wants

> to

> >> try the natural substances

> >> >first and Uva-Ursi is the herb of choice.

> >> >

> >> >For those of you who have tried Uva-Ursi to get

> rid

> >> of these gut bugs, how

> >> >much, how often and for how long? My boy is 10

> >> years old and 73 lbs.

> >> >

> >> >He also has a 4+ for Candida, so is it OK to be

> >> treating with diflucan at the

> >> >same time as using Uva-Ursi?

> >> >

> >> >I really do appreciate any input. Thanks.

> >> >Jan

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Debbie: In my opinion and clinical experience,

urine output of yeast metabolites is much more

accurate than stool. Depending on diet, rapidity of

transit, fluid intake, etc. etc. much stool can be

passed without revealing yeast which may be growing

deeply into tissues and never show up in repeat stool

studies. Organisms that do not grow deeply into the

mucus membranes as mycelia do are more apt to show up

in stool. Jaquelyn

Original Message ---

From: TwoTonks@...

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Uva Ursi, dosage?

frequency? Jaquelyn

>In a message dated 11/23/01 7:23:13 PM Central

Standard Time,

>valadez4@... writes:

>

>

>> If tests come back confirming yeast in the

>> > urine organic acid test or stool tests,

>

>I have a question about the above statement. My son

has had three stool

>samples, none of which have shown any yeast. Yet

three organic acid tests

>have all shown presence of yeast metabolites

(arabinose, 3-oxyglutaric,

>citramalic, high citric). My doctor strongly feels

that yeast cannot be a

>problem if there is none detected in three

consecutive stool samples. I know

>I've asked this question on this board before, but

how can yeast be present

>(at a troublesome level) if stool comes back yeast-

free?

>

>Thanks,

>Debbie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jaquelyn,

Is it hit and miss with a stool sample also when you are looking for

parasites? Thanks, Leah

> Dear Debbie: In my opinion and clinical experience,

> urine output of yeast metabolites is much more

> accurate than stool. Depending on diet, rapidity of

> transit, fluid intake, etc. etc. much stool can be

> passed without revealing yeast which may be growing

> deeply into tissues and never show up in repeat stool

> studies. Organisms that do not grow deeply into the

> mucus membranes as mycelia do are more apt to show up

> in stool. Jaquelyn

> Original Message ---

> From: TwoTonks@a...

> @y...

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Uva Ursi, dosage?

> frequency? Jaquelyn

>

> >In a message dated 11/23/01 7:23:13 PM Central

> Standard Time,

> >valadez4@s... writes:

> >

> >

> >> If tests come back confirming yeast in the

> >> > urine organic acid test or stool tests,

> >

> >I have a question about the above statement. My son

> has had three stool

> >samples, none of which have shown any yeast. Yet

> three organic acid tests

> >have all shown presence of yeast metabolites

> (arabinose, 3-oxyglutaric,

> >citramalic, high citric). My doctor strongly feels

> that yeast cannot be a

> >problem if there is none detected in three

> consecutive stool samples. I know

> >I've asked this question on this board before, but

> how can yeast be present

> >(at a troublesome level) if stool comes back yeast-

> free?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Debbie

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I'm no expert on parasites. I would guess it

would depend on whether they shed parts or eggs that

could be identified, and again on consistency

frequency quantity of stools vs degree of infestation

etc. etc.

--- Original Message ---

From: valadez4@...

Subject: [ ] Re: Uva Ursi, dosage?

frequency? Jaquelyn

>

>Hi Jaquelyn,

>Is it hit and miss with a stool sample also when you

are looking for

>parasites? Thanks, Leah

>

>> Dear Debbie: In my opinion and clinical

experience,

>> urine output of yeast metabolites is much more

>> accurate than stool. Depending on diet, rapidity

of

>> transit, fluid intake, etc. etc. much stool can be

>> passed without revealing yeast which may be

growing

>> deeply into tissues and never show up in repeat

stool

>> studies. Organisms that do not grow deeply into

the

>> mucus membranes as mycelia do are more apt to show

up

>> in stool. Jaquelyn

>> Original Message ---

>> From: TwoTonks@a...

>> @y...

>> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Uva Ursi,

dosage?

>> frequency? Jaquelyn

>>

>> >In a message dated 11/23/01 7:23:13 PM Central

>> Standard Time,

>> >valadez4@s... writes:

>> >

>> >

>> >> If tests come back confirming yeast in the

>> >> > urine organic acid test or stool tests,

>> >

>> >I have a question about the above statement. My

son

>> has had three stool

>> >samples, none of which have shown any yeast. Yet

>> three organic acid tests

>> >have all shown presence of yeast metabolites

>> (arabinose, 3-oxyglutaric,

>> >citramalic, high citric). My doctor strongly

feels

>> that yeast cannot be a

>> >problem if there is none detected in three

>> consecutive stool samples. I know

>> >I've asked this question on this board before,

but

>> how can yeast be present

>> >(at a troublesome level) if stool comes back

yeast-

>> free?

>> >

>> >Thanks,

>> >Debbie

>> >

>> >

>> >[Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Jaquelyn,

I have been treating yeast for my son with my NAET practitioner,

homeopathically. My son Has been on a very strict diet until

recently. He keeps stealing food. It was never a problem in the

past. Chelation has been making him more like my other children,

sneaking any sweets in the house. I am planning on taking all the

goodies out of the house and starting a strict sugar free diet. I

know he has yeast from my NAET practitioner and his reaction to yeast

treatment. He does have a flat stomach. I have heard good things

regarding diflucan. My doctor wanted to do a stool test and treat

the yeast. Should I do a urine test instead. Do the type of

probiotics really matter? Also I have always been concerned w/

killing yeast w/ a presciption for fear it will come back w/ a

vengence. Thanks for your information. You always make alot of

sense.

nne

-- In @y..., " JMcCandless " <JMcCandless@p...> wrote:

> Leah: I treat yeast first with dietary adjustment:

> strict GF/CF of course, and a serum IgG 90-food

> allergy test if parents are willing, to make sure

> soy, corn, or some other common allegen is not

> inflaming the gut. If there are any bowel symptoms

> like diarrhea, constipation, gut pain, gas,

> distention etc., I advise STRICT elimination of

> sugars from the diet, including juices (except dilute

> pear juice) and most fruits. Probiotics are

> essential; I recommend a broad-spectrum probiotic

> like Pro-Bio Gold or Vital-10 and a high

> lactobacillus source like Culturelle each once a

> day. If tests come back confirming yeast in the

> urine organic acid test or stool tests, I start

> Nystatin in the little guys and Diflucan in the

> larger kids. If infestation is severe, I even use

> Diflucan in the smaller kids if the above regime does

> not seem to be helping. I have never had a problem

> with Diflucan; I use it for three weeks at 4mg/Kg a

> day. (All children are tested with a comprehensive

> chem panel and a CBC with differential and platelets

> to make sure the liver and kidneys are functioning

> adequately before giving anti-fungals, anti-virals,

> or chelation agents.) If symptoms persist I let the

> child (the mother, actually!) rest for one week and

> give another 3-week course and then after one week

> retest the urine. If that remains positive, I do a

> stool culture to ascertain sensitivity for specific

> anti-fungal agents, but I seldom have to go that

> far. I have found that one of the main problems is

> allowing the children to have sugar which the yeast

> makes them crave. Apple juice is one of the main

> culprits, and many kids are very addicted to it.

> When parents get fierce with elimination of sugar

> (juices, raisins, candies, popsicles, etc. etc.)we

> usually get much better results.

> As to citrobacter freundii and klebsiella oxytoca,

> I must admit I have never treated these

> specifically. I believe they may have a sizeable

> presence in the gut (they are normal inhabitants in

> regulated amounts) only when yeast has taken over and

> the gut is totally out of balance. I think in most

> cases adequate reduction of the yeast overgrowth will

> handle these other inhabitants.--- Original Message --

> -

> From: valadez4@s...

> @y...

> Subject: [ ] Re: Uva Ursi, dosage?

> frequency? Jaquelyn

>

> >Hi Jaquelyn,

> >Do you mind if I ask you in your own practice what

> have you found to

> >be most successful with treating yeast and parasites

> in children with

> >autism. And with the understanding that as long a

> mercury is a

> >problem do your patients stay on these medication

> indefinetly,

> >Thanks Leah

> >

> >-- In @y..., " JMcCandless "

> <JMcCandless@p...> wrote:

> >> Jan: At the last DAN conference I overheard some

> >> clinicians talking about uva ursi as not being

> >> appropriate for children; I don't remember why.

> >> However, some of the warnings would make me be

> >> cautious: pregnant or lactating women should not

> use

> >> it, it shouldn't be used for very long, and those

> >> with irritated gi tracts or kidney problems should

> >> not use it. I would get more information before

> use -

> >> also, diflucan is a stress on the system, and

> >> combining them might be something that should be

> >> considered carefully also. Not being an

> herbalist, I

> >> used to think herbs were all safe, but have found

> out

> >> it's not necessarily true. If you do use it,

> would

> >> appreciate feedback on its effectiveness and

> safety

> >> etc. Thanks, Jaquelyn

> >> --- Original Message ---

> >> From: braunsmom@a...

> >> @y...

> >> Subject: [ ] Uva Ursi, dosage?

> frequency?

> >>

> >> >My son's lab report from Great Smokies showed 3+

> for

> >> both Citrobacter

> >> >freundii, and Klebsiella oxytoca. His MD wants

> to

> >> try the natural substances

> >> >first and Uva-Ursi is the herb of choice.

> >> >

> >> >For those of you who have tried Uva-Ursi to get

> rid

> >> of these gut bugs, how

> >> >much, how often and for how long? My boy is 10

> >> years old and 73 lbs.

> >> >

> >> >He also has a 4+ for Candida, so is it OK to be

> >> treating with diflucan at the

> >> >same time as using Uva-Ursi?

> >> >

> >> >I really do appreciate any input. Thanks.

> >> >Jan

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

nne: I advocate removing all sweets from the

house; they're not good for your other kids (or you)

either. Children (and many adults) are addicted, and

it doesn't make sense to try and kill yeast while

you're feeding sugar in any of its myriad forms.

PARTICULARLY while you are using anti-yeast nutrients

and meds is this important. Once gut is healed and

yeast is in balance a little sugar is manageable, but

NEVER while (over)infested. In both my anti-aging

and my child practice I find sugar is the most

deleterious, aging, fattening, immune depleting

ingredient in the SAD (Standard American Diet) that

contributes to the poor health of people generally.

(I'm sure this is not a happy message as we approach

the holidays!)

Yes, the kind and brand of probiotics is extremely

important; some recent testing showed 7 out of 10

brands randomly tested were useless. I advise

keeping them refrigerated except for a few that

actually have been engineered to be heat resistant.

I have not had the problem of a lot of recurrences

after diflucan if I can get my message across about

the importance of eliminating sugar, increasing

protein intake, and good probiotics. Jaquelyn

--- Original Message ---

From: marib005@...

Subject: [ ] Re: Uva Ursi, dosage?

frequency? Jaquelyn

>Jaquelyn,

>

>I have been treating yeast for my son with my NAET

practitioner,

>homeopathically. My son Has been on a very strict

diet until

>recently. He keeps stealing food. It was never a

problem in the

>past. Chelation has been making him more like my

other children,

>sneaking any sweets in the house. I am planning on

taking all the

>goodies out of the house and starting a strict sugar

free diet. I

>know he has yeast from my NAET practitioner and his

reaction to yeast

>treatment. He does have a flat stomach. I have

heard good things

>regarding diflucan. My doctor wanted to do a stool

test and treat

>the yeast. Should I do a urine test instead. Do

the type of

>probiotics really matter? Also I have always been

concerned w/

>killing yeast w/ a presciption for fear it will come

back w/ a

>vengence. Thanks for your information. You always

make alot of

>sense.

>

>nne

>

>-- In @y..., " JMcCandless "

<JMcCandless@p...> wrote:

>> Leah: I treat yeast first with dietary

adjustment:

>> strict GF/CF of course, and a serum IgG 90-food

>> allergy test if parents are willing, to make sure

>> soy, corn, or some other common allegen is not

>> inflaming the gut. If there are any bowel

symptoms

>> like diarrhea, constipation, gut pain, gas,

>> distention etc., I advise STRICT elimination of

>> sugars from the diet, including juices (except

dilute

>> pear juice) and most fruits. Probiotics are

>> essential; I recommend a broad-spectrum probiotic

>> like Pro-Bio Gold or Vital-10 and a high

>> lactobacillus source like Culturelle each once a

>> day. If tests come back confirming yeast in the

>> urine organic acid test or stool tests, I start

>> Nystatin in the little guys and Diflucan in the

>> larger kids. If infestation is severe, I even use

>> Diflucan in the smaller kids if the above regime

does

>> not seem to be helping. I have never had a

problem

>> with Diflucan; I use it for three weeks at 4mg/Kg

a

>> day. (All children are tested with a

comprehensive

>> chem panel and a CBC with differential and

platelets

>> to make sure the liver and kidneys are functioning

>> adequately before giving anti-fungals, anti-

virals,

>> or chelation agents.) If symptoms persist I let

the

>> child (the mother, actually!) rest for one week

and

>> give another 3-week course and then after one week

>> retest the urine. If that remains positive, I do

a

>> stool culture to ascertain sensitivity for

specific

>> anti-fungal agents, but I seldom have to go that

>> far. I have found that one of the main problems

is

>> allowing the children to have sugar which the

yeast

>> makes them crave. Apple juice is one of the main

>> culprits, and many kids are very addicted to it.

>> When parents get fierce with elimination of sugar

>> (juices, raisins, candies, popsicles, etc. etc.)we

>> usually get much better results.

>> As to citrobacter freundii and klebsiella

oxytoca,

>> I must admit I have never treated these

>> specifically. I believe they may have a sizeable

>> presence in the gut (they are normal inhabitants

in

>> regulated amounts) only when yeast has taken over

and

>> the gut is totally out of balance. I think in

most

>> cases adequate reduction of the yeast overgrowth

will

>> handle these other inhabitants.--- Original

Message --

>> -

>> From: valadez4@s...

>> @y...

>> Subject: [ ] Re: Uva Ursi, dosage?

>> frequency? Jaquelyn

>>

>> >Hi Jaquelyn,

>> >Do you mind if I ask you in your own practice

what

>> have you found to

>> >be most successful with treating yeast and

parasites

>> in children with

>> >autism. And with the understanding that as long

a

>> mercury is a

>> >problem do your patients stay on these medication

>> indefinetly,

>> >Thanks Leah

>> >

>> >-- In @y..., " JMcCandless "

>> <JMcCandless@p...> wrote:

>> >> Jan: At the last DAN conference I overheard

some

>> >> clinicians talking about uva ursi as not being

>> >> appropriate for children; I don't remember

why.

>> >> However, some of the warnings would make me be

>> >> cautious: pregnant or lactating women should

not

>> use

>> >> it, it shouldn't be used for very long, and

those

>> >> with irritated gi tracts or kidney problems

should

>> >> not use it. I would get more information

before

>> use -

>> >> also, diflucan is a stress on the system, and

>> >> combining them might be something that should

be

>> >> considered carefully also. Not being an

>> herbalist, I

>> >> used to think herbs were all safe, but have

found

>> out

>> >> it's not necessarily true. If you do use it,

>> would

>> >> appreciate feedback on its effectiveness and

>> safety

>> >> etc. Thanks, Jaquelyn

>> >> --- Original Message ---

>> >> From: braunsmom@a...

>> >> @y...

>> >> Subject: [ ] Uva Ursi, dosage?

>> frequency?

>> >>

>> >> >My son's lab report from Great Smokies showed

3+

>> for

>> >> both Citrobacter

>> >> >freundii, and Klebsiella oxytoca. His MD

wants

>> to

>> >> try the natural substances

>> >> >first and Uva-Ursi is the herb of choice.

>> >> >

>> >> >For those of you who have tried Uva-Ursi to

get

>> rid

>> >> of these gut bugs, how

>> >> >much, how often and for how long? My boy is

10

>> >> years old and 73 lbs.

>> >> >

>> >> >He also has a 4+ for Candida, so is it OK to

be

>> >> treating with diflucan at the

>> >> >same time as using Uva-Ursi?

>> >> >

>> >> >I really do appreciate any input. Thanks.

>> >> >Jan

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

I agree with what Jackelyn said below and it is also my understanding. Which

would also lead me to believe that your child most likely has a leaky gut .

Re: [ ] Re: Uva Ursi, dosage?

frequency? Jaquelyn

>In a message dated 11/23/01 7:23:13 PM Central

Standard Time,

>valadez4@... writes:

>

>

>> If tests come back confirming yeast in the

>> > urine organic acid test or stool tests,

>

>I have a question about the above statement. My son

has had three stool

>samples, none of which have shown any yeast. Yet

three organic acid tests

>have all shown presence of yeast metabolites

(arabinose, 3-oxyglutaric,

>citramalic, high citric). My doctor strongly feels

that yeast cannot be a

>problem if there is none detected in three

consecutive stool samples. I know

>I've asked this question on this board before, but

how can yeast be present

>(at a troublesome level) if stool comes back yeast-

free?

>

>Thanks,

>Debbie

>

>

>